Re: [meteorite-list] Blue Salt Crystals

[Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list]

Interesting research...I had the privilege of sitting in on the seminar
Queenie gave to peers about all this last year before it went to
publicationand Monahans was the other meteorite. Some interesting
discussions during the seminar testing out the robustness of the research
and with Monica Grady about the story around Monahans nearly hitting the
lads playing basketball.

Graham

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 1:59 PM, almitt2--- via Meteorite-list <
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>
>
> Hi Paul and all,
>
> The blue halide crystals were found early on in Zag. I believe they
> were found in other meteorites (Monahans, Tx?) but information has a
> way of finding it's way back into the public eye. Don't have
> information handy right now but thought I would comment.
>
>  Yes, they were packed out by camel and the camel sweat story was a
> part of the story. Perhaps ET will comment as he brought out a number
> of specimens from this fall in 1998.
>
> --AL Mitterling
> Mitterling Meteorites
>
>
>  Quoting Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list
> :
>
>
> Blue Salt Crystals discovered in ZAG
>>
>> No wonder my large grapefruit  sized piece started oxidizing so
>>
> rapidly.
>
>> I remember the story was that the oxidation was caused by camel
>>
> sweat
>
>> while they were being transported out of the desert.
>> Anyone else remember that story???
>> what color is camel sweat?
>>
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/world/meteorites-organic-matte
> r-life/index.html
>
>>
>> -Paul Gessler
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Michigan Meteorite

[Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list]

Hi Greg,

Great thing to do with your daughter...sorry you did not find
anything...I'd say it's still worth going back and having another go...wish
I was as close.

To answer a few questions... The larger pieces would probably bury
themselves more but nearly all meteorites loose all there energy from space
during the hot flight to about 20km above ground and then freefall...so
they do not have a great speed when they hit the ground...the smaller
pieces are even skewed by the winds from the main line of the meteors
direction. If the ground is hard or is a frozen lake then these smaller
pieces would not penetrate far at all and may well bounce or sit on the
surface to be seen.deeper snow would be a problem and as with the
Chelyabinsk fall they would leave a small hole to look for if the snow had
stopped falling or driftingmany were found like that in Russia.

They are usually cold when they land and do not retain heat from the hot
flight which is stripped away in the plasma ball...the insides would still
be very cold and the air temps up at 20km are also very cold during the
freefall stage. If they sat for a while on hard snow or ice they may well
sink over time as the sun heats the black body up.

Hope that helps.

Graham

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Sam Sabba via Meteorite-list <
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> Hello all!
>
> I sent a post in a few days ago but I think I caused confusion by sending
> it via my other email address that was not the one I registered with.
> Let's see if this works better.
>
> My 7 year old daughter begged me to take her meteorite hunting after I
> picked her up form school this past Wednesday.  My first reaction was to
> say no given the long odds, the cold, and the fact that she would miss a
> practice.  She persisted, and then I realized I was being a fool and only
> thinking of the effort and poor odds involved, and not of the journey and
> wonderful scientific lesson itself!  So we drove the 1 hour (easy compared
> to the travel time for the rest of you I see) and hunted a collection of
> Hamburg athletic fields.  We did not find anything, but had a good time in
> the process.  I see now that of course several pieces have been found
> (congrats to those that have found some).
> I am completely new to this, and I wanted to ask a few questions to
> satisfy my curiosity as well as my daughter's.  Now that the professionals
> are in town, we will not be bothering to try again. :)
> During our search, we had expected that any pieces would have gone down
> into the ground at least a little bit.  I however see that several of the
> pieces that have been found were just laying in the snow on top of a frozen
> lake.  Is it normal for pieces of a meteorite to not land with enough force
> to break through ice or even frozen soil?  Would they normally at least
> break through *unfrozen* soil, such as on a lawn or athletic field?
> Also, given the approximately 2 inches of snow we had on the ground here,
> would heat be produced from the meteorite itself or from it's impact that
> would have melted snow around it in any meaningful way?
> My daughter is probably doing her show-and-tell presentation at school as
> I type this (using a regular rock we found to represent the potential
> meteorite) so it is too late to provide her details for that, but we are
> both still curious.
> Thank you and good luck to those who will still be looking!
>
> Greg
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Blue Salt Crystals

[AL Mitorling via Meteorite-list]

Hi Bernd and all,

Your right Bernd, the Camel Sweat story does go with the EL Hammami
Meteorite. No doubt other many specimens have been packed out by camels
also.

Good to see you on the list Bernd!

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Bernd V. Pauli via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Hi Paul, AL, and List,
>
> AL wrote:
>
> > The blue halide crystals were found early on in Zag. I believe they
> > were found in other meteorites (Monahans, Tx?) but information has a
> > way of finding it's way back into the public eye.
>
> Correct! The Monahans (H5) and Zag (H3-6) meteorites are the only
> meteorites known to contain *liquid* water. The water was found in
> salt crystals inside the meteorites.
>
> Monahans (1998) contains contains blue crystals of halite (NaCl)
> and sylvite (KCl).*
>
> *GIBSON Jr. E.K.  et al. (1998) Monahans (1998) H5 chondrite: An unusual
> meteorite fall with extraterrestrial halite and sylvite (Meteoritics 33-4,
> 1998, A057).
>
> AL also wrote:
>
> > Yes, they were packed out by camel and the
> > camel sweat story was a part of the story.
>
> Doesn't the camel sweat story belong to El Hammami (H5)???
>
> Best from Germany,
>
> Bernd
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Michigan Meteorite

[Finbarr Connolly via Meteorite-list]

Greg,

A lot will depend on the weight of the impacting object of course; for
example the main mass of the 1813 Limerick Meteorite weighed 65 pounds and
buried itself two feet into the ground. The meteorite will generally be
travelling at a speed of between 200 and 400 mph when it hits the surface.

Regards,
Finbarr.

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Sam Sabba via Meteorite-list <
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> Hello all!
>
> I sent a post in a few days ago but I think I caused confusion by sending
> it via my other email address that was not the one I registered with.
> Let's see if this works better.
>
> My 7 year old daughter begged me to take her meteorite hunting after I
> picked her up form school this past Wednesday.  My first reaction was to
> say no given the long odds, the cold, and the fact that she would miss a
> practice.  She persisted, and then I realized I was being a fool and only
> thinking of the effort and poor odds involved, and not of the journey and
> wonderful scientific lesson itself!  So we drove the 1 hour (easy compared
> to the travel time for the rest of you I see) and hunted a collection of
> Hamburg athletic fields.  We did not find anything, but had a good time in
> the process.  I see now that of course several pieces have been found
> (congrats to those that have found some).
> I am completely new to this, and I wanted to ask a few questions to
> satisfy my curiosity as well as my daughter's.  Now that the professionals
> are in town, we will not be bothering to try again. :)
> During our search, we had expected that any pieces would have gone down
> into the ground at least a little bit.  I however see that several of the
> pieces that have been found were just laying in the snow on top of a frozen
> lake.  Is it normal for pieces of a meteorite to not land with enough force
> to break through ice or even frozen soil?  Would they normally at least
> break through *unfrozen* soil, such as on a lawn or athletic field?
> Also, given the approximately 2 inches of snow we had on the ground here,
> would heat be produced from the meteorite itself or from it's impact that
> would have melted snow around it in any meaningful way?
> My daughter is probably doing her show-and-tell presentation at school as
> I type this (using a regular rock we found to represent the potential
> meteorite) so it is too late to provide her details for that, but we are
> both still curious.
> Thank you and good luck to those who will still be looking!
>
> Greg
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Blue Salt Crystals

[AL Mitorling via Meteorite-list]

Hi Paul and all,

The blue halide crystals were found early on in Zag. I believe they were
found in other meteorites (Monahans, Tx?) but information has a way of
finding it's way back into the public eye. Don't have information handy
right now but thought I would comment.

Yes, they were packed out by camel and the camel sweat story was a part of
the story. Perhaps ET will comment as he brought out a number of specimens
from this fall in 1998.

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 2:28 AM, Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list <
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> Blue Salt Crystals discovered in ZAG
>
> No wonder my large grapefruit  sized piece started oxidizing so rapidly.
> I remember the story was that the oxidation was caused by camel sweat
> while they were being transported out of the desert.
> Anyone else remember that story???
> what color is camel sweat?
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/world/meteorites-organic-matte
> r-life/index.html
>
> -Paul Gessler
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Blue Salt Crystals

[Bob King via Meteorite-list]

I think Bernd's correct - that would be El Hammami.

Bob

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 8:21 AM, Bernd V. Pauli via Meteorite-list <
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> Hi Paul, AL, and List,
>
> AL wrote:
>
> > The blue halide crystals were found early on in Zag. I believe they
> > were found in other meteorites (Monahans, Tx?) but information has a
> > way of finding it's way back into the public eye.
>
> Correct! The Monahans (H5) and Zag (H3-6) meteorites are the only
> meteorites known to contain *liquid* water. The water was found in
> salt crystals inside the meteorites.
>
> Monahans (1998) contains contains blue crystals of halite (NaCl)
> and sylvite (KCl).*
>
> *GIBSON Jr. E.K.  et al. (1998) Monahans (1998) H5 chondrite: An unusual
> meteorite fall with extraterrestrial halite and sylvite (Meteoritics 33-4,
> 1998, A057).
>
> AL also wrote:
>
> > Yes, they were packed out by camel and the
> > camel sweat story was a part of the story.
>
> Doesn't the camel sweat story belong to El Hammami (H5)???
>
> Best from Germany,
>
> Bernd
>
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[meteorite-list] MICHIGAN METEOR

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

List,
 
"Fireball Finds! Meteorite 
Fragments from Dazzling 
Michigan Meteor Found on 
Ice:"
https://www.space.com/39442-michigan-meteor-fireball-meteorites-found.html
Some nice pictures, too.
 
 
Sterling Webb
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[meteorite-list] Ad Michigan Meteorite

[Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list]

Hello List,

I have a 51 gram individual for sale. Please contact me off list if interested.



Sincerely, 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Michigan Meteorite

[Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list]

Greg, since fresh meteorites are black they will absorb heat from the
sun and warm enough to melt their way into snow or ice.  You can
search for example of this with Tagish Lake and Buzzard Coulee, for
example.

Sounds like a fun hunt!

Michael in so. Cal.


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> Hello all!
>
> I sent a post in a few days ago but I think I caused confusion by sending it
> via my other email address that was not the one I registered with.  Let's
> see if this works better.
>
> My 7 year old daughter begged me to take her meteorite hunting after I
> picked her up form school this past Wednesday.  My first reaction was to say
> no given the long odds, the cold, and the fact that she would miss a
> practice.  She persisted, and then I realized I was being a fool and only
> thinking of the effort and poor odds involved, and not of the journey and
> wonderful scientific lesson itself!  So we drove the 1 hour (easy compared
> to the travel time for the rest of you I see) and hunted a collection of
> Hamburg athletic fields.  We did not find anything, but had a good time in
> the process.  I see now that of course several pieces have been found
> (congrats to those that have found some).
> I am completely new to this, and I wanted to ask a few questions to satisfy
> my curiosity as well as my daughter's.  Now that the professionals are in
> town, we will not be bothering to try again. :)
> During our search, we had expected that any pieces would have gone down into
> the ground at least a little bit.  I however see that several of the pieces
> that have been found were just laying in the snow on top of a frozen lake.
> Is it normal for pieces of a meteorite to not land with enough force to
> break through ice or even frozen soil?  Would they normally at least break
> through unfrozen soil, such as on a lawn or athletic field?
> Also, given the approximately 2 inches of snow we had on the ground here,
> would heat be produced from the meteorite itself or from it's impact that
> would have melted snow around it in any meaningful way?
> My daughter is probably doing her show-and-tell presentation at school as I
> type this (using a regular rock we found to represent the potential
> meteorite) so it is too late to provide her details for that, but we are
> both still curious.
> Thank you and good luck to those who will still be looking!
>
> Greg
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Blue Salt Crystals

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

Hi Bernd and all,

Your right Bernd, the Camel Sweat story does go with the EL Hammami
Meteorite. No doubt other many specimens have been packed out by
camels also.

Good to see you on the list Bernd!

--AL MitterlingMitterling Meteorites



  Quoting "Bernd V. Pauli via Meteorite-list"
:


Hi Paul, AL, and List,

AL wrote:


The blue halide crystals were found early on in Zag. I believe

they

were found in other meteorites (Monahans, Tx?) but information has

a

way of finding it's way back into the public eye.


Correct! The Monahans (H5) and Zag (H3-6) meteorites are the only
meteorites known to contain *liquid* water. The water was found in
salt crystals inside the meteorites.

Monahans (1998) contains contains blue crystals of halite (NaCl)
and sylvite (KCl).*

*GIBSON Jr. E.K.  et al. (1998) Monahans (1998) H5 chondrite: An 
unusual meteorite fall with extraterrestrial halite and sylvite 
(Meteoritics 33-4, 1998, A057).


AL also wrote:


Yes, they were packed out by camel and the
camel sweat story was a part of the story.


Doesn't the camel sweat story belong to El Hammami (H5)???

Best from Germany,

Bernd


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[meteorite-list] Re-2: Blue Salt Crystals

[Bernd V. Pauli via Meteorite-list]

Hi Paul, AL, and List,

AL wrote:

> The blue halide crystals were found early on in Zag. I believe they
> were found in other meteorites (Monahans, Tx?) but information has a
> way of finding it's way back into the public eye.

Correct! The Monahans (H5) and Zag (H3-6) meteorites are the only
meteorites known to contain *liquid* water. The water was found in
salt crystals inside the meteorites.

Monahans (1998) contains contains blue crystals of halite (NaCl)
and sylvite (KCl).*

*GIBSON Jr. E.K.  et al. (1998) Monahans (1998) H5 chondrite: An unusual 
meteorite fall with extraterrestrial halite and sylvite (Meteoritics 33-4, 
1998, A057).

AL also wrote:

> Yes, they were packed out by camel and the
> camel sweat story was a part of the story.

Doesn't the camel sweat story belong to El Hammami (H5)???

Best from Germany,

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] Blue Salt Crystals

[almitt2--- via Meteorite-list]

Hi Paul and all,

The blue halide crystals were found early on in Zag. I believe they
were found in other meteorites (Monahans, Tx?) but information has a
way of finding it's way back into the public eye. Don't have
information handy right now but thought I would comment.

 Yes, they were packed out by camel and the camel sweat story was a
part of the story. Perhaps ET will comment as he brought out a number
of specimens from this fall in 1998.

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites


 Quoting Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list
:


Blue Salt Crystals discovered in ZAG

No wonder my large grapefruit  sized piece started oxidizing so

rapidly.

I remember the story was that the oxidation was caused by camel

sweat

while they were being transported out of the desert.
Anyone else remember that story???
what color is camel sweat?



http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/world/meteorites-organic-matter-life/index.html


-Paul Gessler


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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Gibeon

Contributed by: Paul Swartz

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=01/20/2018
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