Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) 2 ORIENTED STONES FOR SALE
Hi Steve and all, That's 11 ads in 20 days or over 1 ad per two days. If every dealer put up and equal amount of ads on this forum there would be over 200 hundred ads per day or about 1,400 per week. I normally don't pick on you when you put ads here but this forum shouldn't be for dealers to conduct their business here. Just post a link and a REMINDER once a week. Keep it simple. Don't tell me to delete these ads (especially if you don't know how to back up your hard drive) as it is a list violation way beyond this point. You can get a free Yahoo Group list and post as many ads as you want Steve and I would thank you for that. --AL Mitterling steve arnold wrote: Hi list.I decided to put these 2 beauty's __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent.
Greetings, The trouble with a gentleman's agreement is you need two gentlemen. Another problem with all this is, the next fall, when specimens are found, the first thing that the owners are going to do is go to the Internet and put in a search of meteorites and price. What they will find is all the insane priced items, what meteorites sold for in West Texas and other localities like Park Forest. It is all on the Internet and it does not go away. Best! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Ebay Auctions Ending Less Than 24 Hr.
Greetings, I have a number of ebay auctions ending soon and over the next week. I have Tulia and Dimmitt specimens with Monnig Numbers, Allende 661 gram endpiece and 32 gm Slice, Zag fragment 88gm and slice. I also have some remaining Lost City part slices including a micro specimen now at $10.00, Gibeon 40 gram slice and 11.57 kg whole, Tuxtuac, Mex. and Richfield, Ks., larger El Hammami over a kilo. A beautiful full slice of Etter, Texas 637 gram and a bunch of Macro specimens that come in nice display boxes along with information card. You can see the auctions here: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/almittmet Feel free to email me in a private email if you have questions or offers. Thank you and all my best! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Raise a stein to Rosetta
Greetings, Looks like the high resolution camera had a glitch in it during part of the pass of the asteroid. Looks as though they have good images from another camera on board though. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYTWTtXEILaiJIO-61MYqWb6Z6igD9316F0G0 Can't wait to see some images when they are released. Best! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Some Super Ebay Auctions Ending
Greetings, I have eBay auctions closing in about 24 hours, 48 hours and 72 hours. Auctions include: A larger slice of Lost City, Oklahoma (17.17 gm) which will be the one of the last larger slices I can offer plus some smaller part slices of this famous photographed fall, NWA 1910 a enstatite EL6 (1.07 gm), an unclassified NWA stony specimen (412 gm), Seymachan ultra thin cut pallasite (5 gm), NWA 801 a CR2 (4gm), NWA 3165 rare Urelilte (2 gm), Nice full Gibeon slice below .50 cents/gram, Larger Odessa specimen (164 grams), Suizhou, China (1.62 gm), Nice endpiece frag. of Tuxtuac, Mexico LL4 (31.8 grams), Super nice small but whole 100% fusion crusted Millbillillie, Australia (10.25 gm). See auctions here: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/almittmet Thanks for looking and all my best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Monthly Meteorite Column on Geology.com
Hi Geoff and all, Very nicely done! Great photos, great writing and very well put. For the first installment, I think you covered some very important items that people who start out in our field need to know. Good luck on this column and I look forward to future installments! My best! --AL Mitterling Notkin wrote: Dear Friends and Listees: Greetings from sunny Tucson, AZ. I am delighted to announce a new online monthly meteorite column entitled Meteorwritings. It will be presented exclusively on Dr. Hobart King's Geology.com -- one of the world's top science websites. The first installment, What are Meteorites? went live this evening. The column is aimed at a broad audience, so you meteorite experts will already be familiar with the topics and concepts covered, particularly in the early installments. As the column progresses, we will look at more advanced topics, and we do have a few treats in store. Each month the column will feature new, original photography by my design and photography assistant, Leigh Anne DelRay, and myself. I hope you'll find the images, and the column itself, to be enjoyable. Meteorwritings is currently featured on the front page of the site: www.geology.com And its home page lives here: http://www.geology.com/meteorites/ As the months go by we will compile an archive of past columns for easy viewing. I'd like to thank Dr. King for this marvelous opportunity to reach out to a wider audience, and also my staff: Timothy Arbon who illustrated our beautiful banner, and Leigh Anne DelRay for her author's portrait. Oh yes, and Tim came up with the column title too. Clever lad that he is! : ) Comments and feedback much appreciated as always, and thanks for reading. Watch the skies! Geoff N. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible deal for someone around Ohio
Hi Darren and all, I checked this out and the auction house who printed this out and more importantly the cataloger stated it was a typo. Apparently they do have meteorites from time to time, (and perhaps a few meteorwrongs??) and offer them. It was close enough to me or some of my friends in Ohio that we could have check on it more thoroughly if they had one. It did show up in the current catalog but I am told it was a misprint. Best! --AL Mitterling Darren Garrison wrote: Auction items include giant meteorite-- 68 pounds __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] STEAL OF A LIFETIME
Hi Steve and all, Sikhote Alin sold for $3 to $4/ gram long time in the past. Don't know if there were any around for sale in 1982. As long as the ebay seller is reputable and has a high ebay rating then you have a bargain. If it sounds too good to be true and the seller has a bad rating then I'd stay away from the auction as it could be a fraud or something stolen. All my best! --AL Mitterling steve arnold wrote: Good morning list.Who says you cannot get a steal on ebay.I had to do a double take even a triple take.I just bought a 394 gram sikote-alin (NOT SHRAPNAL) FOR $75 USA dollars.I guess the seller said it cost him $1100 back in 1982.A STEAL!A STEAL!Sometimes you just have to do a real double take and look real hard. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] STEAL OF A LIFETIME
Greetings again, I know he didn't buy it from Michael Casper in 1982 as he wasn't selling meteorites then. Probably just a typo but I doubt that he bought it from Casper in 1992 either. Auction seems somewhat suspicious to me. Giving away meteorites is running an honest business? I'm sure that everyone here makes money from charging more than it costs them so they can afford other things. That is the nature of business or we would all be in trouble. Nothing wrong with a good deal though. --AL __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay Auctions Ending Soon
Greetings, I have some ebay items closing in about a day. These include a very nice Odessa, Texas 198 grams, Allende slice 75 grams, Richfield Kansas LL3.7, Gibeon whole specimen 113 gm, larger NWA 869 at 724 gm, Three Lost City Oklahoma specimens one gram + and under, Travis County, Texas which has a unique story behind the find, Suizhou China Meteorite H5 (fall), and Tenham Australia. These items can be viewed at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/almittmet I hope to be able to put more items in the next coming week. Any questions feel free to email me or contact me through ebay. All my best! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Ebay Auctions ending in about one day!!
Greetings List Members, I have some Millbillillie, Australia (one slice and one whole specimen with flow lines), 2 Lost City, Oklahoma, Tuxtuac Mexico (LL4), a 10.85 gram part slice of Allende, Mexico (from the King Collection), a larger Ghubara whole stone specimen (439 grams). I'll be putting up some more specimens later on for your viewing and bidding pleasure. You can see my items at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/almittmet All my best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites - Two Thumbs Up!
Hi Geoff and all, I certainly second what Geoff has said after reviewing a copy of this wonderful book and it is a first class publication and no collector of meteorites or meteorite books should be without it!! I've tried unsuccessfully to buy copies of it all over the midwest. I've not received an answer yet from the publisher to buy a case or two. So looks like it is fast becoming a hard to find, newly published book. Congratulations to the Nortons on their effort to this wonderful resource. --AL Mitterling Notkin wrote: Dear Listees: Greetings all. I know Richard Norton and Lawrence Chitwood's new book Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites has already been discussed here, but I just received my copy -- mine is signed, aren't you jealous : ) -- and it's such a terrific work I wanted to comment personally. This beautifully produced 288-page full color book is an absolute must for all meteorite enthusiasts, and completes a great trilogy on our favorite subject, alongside the Nortons' other two essential works: Rocks from Space, and The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites. Congratulations to Richard, and the late Lawrence Chitwood, and also to M-List member Dorothy Norton who was very involved with the work herself, contributing excellent scientific illustrations throughout, as well as editing and research. Dorothy just told me this morning that the initial printing has already sold out (!) so if you need a first edition snap it up quick wherever you can find it. On a personal note, I was thrilled by the invitation to contribute, in a very small way, to this important work by supplying meteorite photographs of specimens from the Oscar Monnig Collection, The Michael Farmer Meteorites Collection, and the Aerolite Meteorites Collection. Several other List members also contributed photos, and you'll enjoy seeing a number of familiar meteorite hunters faces in the In The Field chapter. Special thanks to my pal Sonny Clary who took a stellar photo of Steve Arnold #1 and myself at Brenham, which was also included in the book. If you haven't seen the Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites yet, order it ASAP. A real beauty! With best wishes, Geoff N. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nininger Moments
Greetings to all, With a consorted and dedicated effort on the part of Paul Harris and the Meteorite.com site, we have moved the Nininger Moments which have been absent from the web for a few months to this site for a new location on the web for all to enjoy when they want to. Photos have been added and will be added from time to time. Some modifications to the Nininger Moments, along with a newer look and more pleasing format should make these easy to browse and read. The Nininger Moments are various short stories about Nininger's life, meteorite hunting, and adventures he had along the long way of acquiring one of the most impressive collections in the history of the modern meteorite era. Please check out this site at: http://www.meteorite.com/nininger/ I still need to get back to some people on some items I wish to use and hope to add to this site. All my best! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger Moments
Hi Pete, Thanks for your comments. I would like to say this would have never happened unless Paul Harris had done all the hard work. I just provided the Nininger Moments that I wrote over the years and some photos. --AL Mitterling Pete Pete wrote: Hi, all, Absolutely brilliant, Al! I never tire of Harvey's story. I don't remember how the old format compares to this, but the current appears to be flawless. Please post when you get the outstanding permissions, so I will know when to re-visit. Cheers, Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: How many meteorite dealers are there?
Hi Alex and all, I'd say there are about two or three hundred dealers. While my definition of a dealer is someone who has a tax license and is listed as a business in their state or country it's a little more complicated than that. There are certainly individuals who buy a quantity of a certain item and sell all but the one they want to keep (ok maybe two). While that might not be a dealer in the eyes of most if they are making a sale then those customers of this individual aren't buying from say Michael, Tim, the meteoriteman or me for example. That is taking a sale from out of the registered dealers who are out there, so those small time individuals dealers are most certainly a dealer. There are many collector/dealers and I am certainly one. I'd say there are fewer, very few, strictly dealers who don't collect. Of course you have your collectors who simply collect. Again just about every collector upgrades their collection in their collecting days. So if they don't trade in a piece or a similar piece they are buying, they usually offer the extra piece for sale so it can become cash to offset the new purchase or whatever. Keeping the piece is also an option. That again puts them in competition with the dealers that are doing business out there. I'm not sure what other dealers keep as inventory but I usually have about 5 to 6 figures in specimens at anyone given time. While that might not always be smart depending on the economy, it provides me with items to sell when someone is looking for something I might have. I've been selling items since 1988, was on Compuserve first and made sells there, later when the internet came along I didn't have any kind of spot on the net I sold from but went to areas and advertised to interested parties. So I guess I am one of the first dozen dealers out there. Bob Haag at one of the Tucson conventions told me there were over two dozen dealers dealing meteorites at that time. He was concerned. While my post has probably muddied the water still more I still think we have well over 200 dealers of meteorites of some kind or another. --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] new thread - how to tell if you are stepping up
Greetings, I've seen the term thin slides used to describe thin sections every now and then. Having been a big supplier of sections for many years I have never called them thin slides or slides. Wondering if this is a scientifically accepted term for thin sections or not. It's not an important issue and I am fine with calling them either way but wondering what the general consenses is, how they got name something different. (5) you get into thin slides --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nininger Moment #25 Part two
Nininger Moment #25 The Sale of the Nininger Collection Part Two With the sale of the first part of the Nininger Collection the Niningers for the first time in thirty five years were able to pay off debts, their mortgage, and go on a cruise. Nininger had carefully filed away many letters from people that had meteorite related stories that he wish and hoped to someday investigate. While the sale of the first part of the collection had relieved a number of the Niningers problems, Harvey was still thinking about how to dispose of the remaining collection to a suitable home and what to do about the American Meteorite laboratory that was run by his son in law Glenn Huss and his daughter Margaret. It was Haveys hope that the museum would be self sufficient and self supporting. Harvey had figured that in the 4,600 days of operation that a half million visitors had visited in that time, that verbal talks and lectures had been give to groups of 2 to fifty which meant that some 7,000 one hour lectures had been made during that time. Even with this interest, the American Meteorite Museum couldn't support itself and the Huss Family. After the sale of first part of the Nininger Collection and having a basis to go by for prices, the remaining collection was inventoried and a price structure was then place on the remaining collection. The Niningers were shocked to find out that the remaining collection was worth over a half million dollars. Nininger mentioned the importance of inventorying his items and a lesson from not doing that prior to the first sale and his low estimates. The collection could have been sold for much less than its true value. Later in the fall of 1959, the University of Arizona at Tempe indicated a desire to acquire the collection again. With the growing interest in space, missiles, rockets and satellites meteorites were an obvious connection to many studies necessary at that time. Many scientists, institutions were hounding the Niningers with many requests for material they really didn't want to part with. Again the University of Arizona expressed an interest in the Nininger Collection and requested a cost for the remaining collection. A letter to the University of Arizona was written and an offer to sale the collection for half the catalog value but they would consider offers from out of state if definite interest was not shown in a reasonable amount of time. The interest was on again off again as they worked to secure the necessary funds. With no firm offers from the university, the Niningers sent out letters to a number of major institutions that the remaining Nininger Collection of Meteorites was available for sale. Much thought went into how to preserve one of the only museums dedicated to the science of meteorites but in the 1960s finally the Niningers decided to close the American Meteorite Museum pack up and store the Nininger collection in the advent a firm offer was made on the remaining collection. Finally a firm offer came through after the slow moving institutional mills completed their operations. The remaining Nininger Collection was assured a lasting place in the halls of Arizona State University at Tempe at a value that was considered a fair price at $275,000 far below listed value. Four days later Glenn and Margaret Huss along with their family made the move to Denver for a new life and to carry on the name and work of the American Meteorite Lab. An era was over and the museum was gone forever. Source: Find A Falling StarBy H.H. Nininger The Nininger Moments are articles or books written originally by Harvey Nininger and put into a consolidated form by Al Mitterling. Some of the items written in the moments might be old out dated material and the reader is advised to keep this in mind. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 - Ugly duckling with a heart of gold
Hi Bernd, Gary and all, Does anyone know for sure who has the largest mass of NWA869? I've never really been able to figure that one out since so much of this material is around. I myself am owner of a 20 kilo specimen. Perhaps some sold to owners who don't want to advertise. It be fun to have people know if you have a single mass over 4 kilograms of this material. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger Moment #25
Nininger Moment #25 The Sale of the Nininger's Collection Part One Since there is a current discussion on the list of where the Nininger Collection is currently at I thought it would be appropriate to generate this Nininger Moment. From the 1920's to the late 1950's Nininger has hunted meteorites and amassed a collection second to none. Hundreds of meteorites had been located, bought and traded to make up what was the Nininger Collection of meteorites. As any collector would do he certainly held on to a number of the most impressive collection pieces out there for himself. Trading other fine specimens for localities that were not yet in his collection and represented other fine falls or finds of that era. In 1957 the years of effort put in by the Niningers began to weigh heavily as their financial survival came into question. The sale of part or all of the Nininger Collection came into play as the Nininger's wanted some financial security and a way of retirement. In 1956 Max Hey, the curator of the British Museum of Meteorites had expressed an interest in Nininger's collection if he should ever want to sell it. The following year the British Museum ask for a an extensive price list for the collection and a vertical split of the collection for the museum. Nininger came up with an initial offering of $258,000 for half of his collection. The British Museum asked for another split of the items offered and asked for no less than half of the value, and asked for cost on cutting and preparation of those specimens. Out of 680 unique falls and finds in the Nininger collection, Nininger offered a 1/4 to 1/2 split on 276 specimens for a price of $155,000 dollars. The British Museum asked for time to raise the money for the collection offered before committing to the purchase. In the mean time and before final acceptance by the British Museum, there was suddenly more interest in Nininger's collection by the Smithsonian and Arizona State University. These two institutions were also needing to find a way to come up with the necessary capital to buy a portion or all of the collection. The Smithsonian suggested a price of $200,000 for the whole collection which Nininger decided would be an appropriate discount rate for the entire collection. The University of Arizona had no internal means and had to look out side for funding in order to make a firm offer. All three parties were notified of interest in the collection by the other parties but no effort was made by Nininger to induce bidding by the parties. After many correspondences and delays of getting any firm offers by the three parties, on June 13th, 1958 came a firm offer in the form of a letter from C.F. Claringbull, keeper of the British Museum. In this letter was an offer to buy the collection as Nininger had proposed (about 1/5 of the Nininger Collection) for a sum of $140,000. After the offer Harvey Nininger cabled confirmation of the request to the British Museum and promptly withdrew from all other offers. Source: Find A Falling StarBy H.H. Nininger The Nininger Moments are articles or books written originally by Harvey Nininger and put into a consolidated form by Al Mitterling. Some of the items written in the moments might be old out dated material and the reader is advised to keep this in mind. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona Daily Sun Nininger Moves to Crater Post 1
Nininger Moment #7 - The Nininger Museum Part 2 After the arrival of the Nininger's and their collection, came the task of setting up display cases for their museum, fixing up the rented building for the public, general cleaning up and painting to give a more professional look to the museum. The museum was without electrical power and was open as long as there was enough sun-light to illuminate the displays. Often its opening was when visitors came and were wanting to see the great collection under glass or was closed early on days of a lack of visitors. They cooked on a gas butane stove and used gas lanterns to see during the evenings. The inside walls were painted white to provide as much light as long as the days would permit. The main floor space was twenty by forty feet. The tower was used for storage space and their bedroom was sixteen by eighteen feet with bookcases place to separate the kitchen. A small window opened west at the foot of the bed. Public rest rooms had been installed in former storage space and opened out into the exterior of the building. About half of the tourist that would turn into the museum would read the admission sign of .25 cents for adults and .15 cents for children, would turn and leave without checking the magnificent display. The first day they had a total of sixty customers who toured their display and seemed well pleased. Admissions steadily increased the first year with as many as a hundred on occasion. The Nininger's sold literature and specimens to help supplement their income to customers and by mail order. Many of the visiting public included strange stories of meteorites that Nininger would recognize as a mistake. A sense of humor was required to deal with these stories and correct the error in such a way that the customer was not offended. Inside of the museum a customer could heft in their hands a meteorite from outer space. The center of the museum was some large Canyon Diablos from meteor crater the center piece for the museum. Often school groups would come out on tours as well as visiting former college students that Harvey had taught. In all some 33,000 paid admissions were recorded on the books the first twelve months with visitors from every state, forty three foreign countries, fifteen colleges and high schools, a few groups of scientists as well as other miscellaneous groups. In all the museum operated on route 66 for three years before the interstate drastically cut the museums business down to half which made it less feasible to maintain and support the Nininger's. At its peak the museum housed some 5,000 meteorites from 526 different finds or falls. It had displays on various stages of weathering of meteorites as well as shapes and sizes. A greater variety of specimens were present more so than any other institution larger or small. The museum had been made not only to support the Nininger's but to provided a much needed education on meteorites that was not present in even the better colleges and higher education facilities of the day. Source: Find A Falling Star By H.H. Nininger The Nininger Moments are articles or books written originally by Harvey Nininger and put into a consolidated form by Al Mitterling. Some of the items written in the moments might be old out dated material and the reader is advised to keep this in mind. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona Daily Sun Nininger Moves to Crater Post 1
Greetings, Bob King asked me to post this for him as his emails aren't getting through. So here is the post. Hi Al, Mark and meteorite friends, After your enjoyable posts about Nininger and the old place on Hwy. 61, I went back to my Nininger Meteorite Crater Study Kit and in the booklet, A Comet Strikes the Earth found this poem about meteorites on the last page. I assume it was penned by H.H.? I hope you enjoy -- Bob A Meteorite Speaks A hieroglyphic message is written on my face Recording ancient happenings far in the depths of space. It tells of my beginnings where fiercest fires held sway, My leap into ethereal space and how I sped away. A diary of my wanderings, lonely 'mongst the stars, A thousand of such incidents as Jupiter and Mars. I've watched a host of planets grow from out the spacial voids; Witnessed lunar peltings and played tag with asteroids. I held my course through solar heat, likewise through frigid space. I wooed the lovely Pleiades and gave Orion chase. I know severest loneliness from all celestial forms; Likewise the social gaiety of cometary swarms. Freely through ethereal space I loved my course to steer, But trapped at last fell victim to earth's dread atmosphere. In arid wastes I landed, then, smote by desert sand My skin deep brown was varnished by oxygenic hand. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona Daily Sun Nininger Moves to Crater Post 1
Hi Mark and all, Since Mark posted the newspaper article about the Nininger's move from Denver to the Meteor Crater location, I thought it might be fitting to post my Nininger Moments in regards to this move. Anyone wanting to read more of the Nininger Moments can go to Marks web page and search under Nininger Moments. Enjoy. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/mitterlingmain.html Nininger Moments #6 - The Nininger Museum Part 1 On a now deserted road where grass grows in the cracks of the now famous and former route 66, and just a few miles north of Meteor(ite) Crater there was once a building that housed the Nininger Meteorite collection. The building was chosen because of its location near the meteor crater. These days its location is a ruin (as mention on the list) but in its hay day it saw numerous people stopping on the way out west or heading back toward the east. Built by the bare hands of one white man and the help of the local Indians the structure stands even to this day. Nininger leased the property and modified the plumbing facilities to accommodate the visitors that would be traveling along the route. Nininger had never heard of a meteorite museum and even though this was located along a lonely road far from any larger city the Nininger's decided to make a go of this venture. A place along a well traveled road next to a meteorite crater in the year 1946 and located twenty and forty miles to the closest towns. Nininger moved his collection from Denver 750 miles away to the location which was no small task. The total weight of the collection was 16,000 pounds or about 8 tons! Packing the collection took weeks of labor and over two hundred crates had been loaded onto a van which would move the collection there. Two of the largest meteorites taken there were the Hugoton weighing 800 lbs. and the Morland weighing only a hundred pounds less. There were eighteen iron specimens weighing from 180 lbs to more than 400 lbs. The iron specimens were not crated but were a danger to everything else in the van. Thousands of smaller specimens were also taken and carefully wrapped and place carefully into the containers for the journey. Many of these specimens were worth several times their weight in gold. The collection had been gather over a time of about 23 years and represented all of the Nininger's life earnings. Moving the collection was risky to the Nininger's as it did represent so much to them. A transportation agent was carefully selected and it was required that the cargo be sealed and open by them after delivery to the location of the museum. Insurance posed a problem as meteorites did not fit any of the normal classification in order to insure. The total cost of shipping the collection was one thousand dollars and the time to ship was figured at about 24 hours with two drivers. The van did not arrive as expected on the first day and was of concern to the Nininger's. After the van didn't arrive on the second day or even the third day The Nininger's became very concerned. Nervously the Nininger's started to trace the route the van would take in order to try to find it on its route. Finding a wrecked van at the side of a road and heading their way with the labeling of the trucking firm they had hired caused them much grief but soon they realized that it was only nuts and bolts laying out on the side of the road. They soon returned and on the fifth day a van arrived in the afternoon and backed into their location. The van that they had packed was not the same as the van that had arrived nor was the driver. When the they opened the door Nininger's heart sank as he could see that crates had been broken, crates were mixed up from the move and it was obvious that care had not been taken in moving the crates from one van to the next. No equipment was at hand to move the heavy crates into the museum so they proceeded to unload the contents of the van with the help of some friends, the van's driver and and Indian that had received a lift from the van's driver. The unloading took many hours of time with some of the most heaviest meteorites rolled off into the museum yard. Unloading continued until just about dark on the evening of October 9th. On the evening of the same night, the Giacobinnid-Zinner meteor shower occurred and many meteors were observed by the Nininger and their guests. The shower a fitting prelude to the opening of the Nininger Museum of Meteorites. Source: Find A Falling StarBy H.H. Nininger The Nininger Moments are articles or books written originally by Harvey Nininger and put into a consolidated form by Al Mitterling. Some of the items written in the moments might be old out dated material and the reader is advised to keep this in mind. --AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona Daily Sun Nininger Moves to Crater Post 1
Hi Mark and all, Since Mark posted the newspaper article about the Nininger's move from Denver to the Meteor Crater location, I thought it might be fitting to post my Nininger Moments in regards to this move. Anyone wanting to read more of the Nininger Moments can go to Marks web page and search under Nininger Moments. Enjoy. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/mitterlingmain.html Nininger Moments #6 - The Nininger Museum Part 1 On a now deserted road where grass grows in the cracks of the now famous and former route 66, and just a few miles north of Meteor(ite) Crater there was once a building that housed the Nininger Meteorite collection. The building was chosen because of its location near the meteor crater. These days its location is a ruin (as mention on the list) but in its hay day it saw numerous people stopping on the way out west or heading back toward the east. Built by the bare hands of one white man and the help of the local Indians the structure stands even to this day. Nininger leased the property and modified the plumbing facilities to accommodate the visitors that would be traveling along the route. Nininger had never heard of a meteorite museum and even though this was located along a lonely road far from any larger city the Nininger's decided to make a go of this venture. A place along a well traveled road next to a meteorite crater in the year 1946 and located twenty and forty miles to the closest towns. Nininger moved his collection from Denver 750 miles away to the location which was no small task. The total weight of the collection was 16,000 pounds or about 8 tons! Packing the collection took weeks of labor and over two hundred crates had been loaded onto a van which would move the collection there. Two of the largest meteorites taken there were the Hugoton weighing 800 lbs. and the Morland weighing only a hundred pounds less. There were eighteen iron specimens weighing from 180 lbs to more than 400 lbs. The iron specimens were not crated but were a danger to everything else in the van. Thousands of smaller specimens were also taken and carefully wrapped and place carefully into the containers for the journey. Many of these specimens were worth several times their weight in gold. The collection had been gather over a time of about 23 years and represented all of the Nininger's life earnings. Moving the collection was risky to the Nininger's as it did represent so much to them. A transportation agent was carefully selected and it was required that the cargo be sealed and open by them after delivery to the location of the museum. Insurance posed a problem as meteorites did not fit any of the normal classification in order to insure. The total cost of shipping the collection was one thousand dollars and the time to ship was figured at about 24 hours with two drivers. The van did not arrive as expected on the first day and was of concern to the Nininger's. After the van didn't arrive on the second day or even the third day The Nininger's became very concerned. Nervously the Nininger's started to trace the route the van would take in order to try to find it on its route. Finding a wrecked van at the side of a road and heading their way with the labeling of the trucking firm they had hired caused them much grief but soon they realized that it was only nuts and bolts laying out on the side of the road. They soon returned and on the fifth day a van arrived in the afternoon and backed into their location. The van that they had packed was not the same as the van that had arrived nor was the driver. When the they opened the door Nininger's heart sank as he could see that crates had been broken, crates were mixed up from the move and it was obvious that care had not been taken in moving the crates from one van to the next. No equipment was at hand to move the heavy crates into the museum so they proceeded to unload the contents of the van with the help of some friends, the van's driver and and Indian that had received a lift from the van's driver. The unloading took many hours of time with some of the most heaviest meteorites rolled off into the museum yard. Unloading continued until just about dark on the evening of October 9th. On the evening of the same night, the Giacobinnid-Zinner meteor shower occurred and many meteors were observed by the Nininger and their guests. The shower a fitting prelude to the opening of the Nininger Museum of Meteorites. Source: Find A Falling StarBy H.H. Nininger The Nininger Moments are articles or books written originally by Harvey Nininger and put into a consolidated form by Al Mitterling. Some of the items written in the moments might be old out dated material and the reader is advised to keep this in mind. --AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] University of Toronto Talk by Christopher Charles Age of the Solar System?
Hi Tett, Roman and all, Tett Posted: Then concluding with the suggestion that CAI's may be much older that previously thought, and that the solar system may also be much older. Wish I could have heard the talk also. CAI's have been one of the more intriguing things found in our solar systems meteorites. It has been brought up before that these may have been remnants from first generation stars that super nova and form the solar system. I've heard an age of about 10 billion years old. After all, iron is a by-product of first generation stars but the isotopes have been reset by re-heating. Guess the question is where and when did the CAI's form. It has been speculated that CAI's are ash from the super nova event (s) that generated our solar system. Perhaps the conclusions are changing. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2007 Peoples Choice Harvey Award Nominee
Hi Mark and all, Bernd is everything you say he is and much, much more and a very worthy nominee. We should all model ourselves after this outstanding contributor to the list as well as his kind behavior. He is truly a gift to us all! --AL Mitterling MARK BOSTICK wrote: A true collector, an honest man and a valued friend of many...I imagine I can speak for most of the list Bernd when I say Thank You! to you and your wife. (Perhaps more so the later or we would never have Bernd in our e-mail boxes). You are model for the list and we do appreciate your efforts. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tagish Lake
Hi David and all, I doubt that Richard will take the time to offer this strewn field data as he is often times busy checking ebay auctions for possible violation of illegal auctions for Canadian cultural heritage property being sold on ebay in the form of meteorites. Ohhh, he also turns you in to the Canadian Mounted Police for selling legitimate diamonds exported from his country. Did I mention posts to the list are forwarded also when there not to his liking regarding Canadian research. Nothing left to chance. --AL David Weir wrote: But Michael, think of the potential value that the strewn field map may provide us someday (I know I'm not smart enough to imagine it). Maybe Richard and Roland could spell out for us the great importance of such a map. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] website GONE
Hi Steve and all, I once had a wise old teacher at school tell the students that as long as what another person does, doesn't effect other people that is his or her business. If what that person does, DOES effect other people then it becomes their business or in this case the list business. Had you simply taken a little friendly advise from those people who were trying to offer it to you in the very beginning, I think the outcome would have been very much different than what it is now. I tried to help you out at first so it would save you this trouble and embarrassment and you told me you could do what ever you wanted and this was a free country and mind my own business. I think it was about a week later that several list members sent you the first comments about the sale advertisements you were constantly posting and have constantly posted until so many people were sending open and private emails to you letting you know there feelings about your posts. You don't seem to understand that if you can constantly post sale ads that people have the right to then complain about them (cause and effect). Had you abided by the once a week rule, I don't think anyone would have said anything to you. Your no better or less better than anyone else on the list but you are the one who has generated the negative posts from the list by not abiding by the simple rules. You can't blame anyone but yourself. --AL steve arnold wrote: Also a HUGE apology to all on this list for the misgivings of all this posts to advertise my sales.There is nothing left to sell.The rest of anything else is on ebay.And just a side note,I wish anyone who likes to do PUBLIC attacks on this list please keep it private.NO ONE LIKES PUBLIC ATTACKS.For some reason some people think that everything here needs to be aired.NO MORE!! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Live Chat Tonight?
Greetings, Anyone up for a meteorite chat tonight? How about from now till ?? The official chat site is on Mark Bostick's website and chat room. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/chatroom.html Tonight's topic: The decreasing meteorite supply. Also a good place to ask questions and just have some fun! --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Ebay Auctions Ending Saturday, Sunday
Greetings, Auctions will end at about noon EST Saturday and Sunday. I've only had a couple of eBay Auctions this year but have a good variety of interesting items this time around. Items include: Axtell, Texas CV3 8.4 Grams, a sizable Beaver, Oklahoma slice, Glorieta Mountains endpiece, NWA 2822 Class: R4, 27 grams (this material shouldn't have been offered up much on ebay as I am one of the main sources), Seymchang Meteorite Pallasite 1345 Grams larger endpiece, Somerville Texas, Pallasite Slice 38 gm, an OUTSTANDING Millbillillie, Australia 58 gm Whole Orientated, Monahans (B) Texas, NWA 3165 Urelite 3.06 grams one of the last decent size part slices that are remaining of this material, Pena Blanca Springs, TX (aubrite) 5 gm part slice, Powellsville, Ohio which is going to be super hard to get in the future, a large Tulia (a) Texas, Tuxtuac, Mexico (LL5) 31 gm endpiece w/crust. Auctions are at: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZalmittmetQQhtZ-1 or type in my ebay user name: almittmet Please read item descriptions before placing bids. Thank you for your time! --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] mistake on ebay
Hi Frederic, I've made a number of mistakes also with the cut and paste features. It's easy to do but mainly want to tell people that working with you and your representative was a very positive thing and that your a good source to deal with! You can go into the auctions and change descriptions if you want. Feel free to contact me for help as I have become somewhat of an expert at it :-) --AL Mitterling Fred Caillou Noir wrote: Dear All, Please consider this post as an information and not as an AD. I simply wish to inform you all that I made a wrong copy paste when preparing one of our pending auctions that displays a false subtitle. You will find this mistake on a ZAG endcut, supposed to have 2 slickensides according to this subtitle. Please note that THERE IS NO SLICKENSIDE on this sample. http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-ZAG-H3-6-11-1g-endcut-2-lithologies_W0QQitemZ130044293885QQihZ003QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem This is just to make it clear before some of you bid on this meteorite without seing the additional information at the end of the announcement. Thanks for your understanding and have a nice day. Best wishes, Frederic __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Brenham Instability Myth
Hi McCartney, Your absolutely correct, there are plenty of Brenham specimens that are stable. I know that there have been some in museums for 70 plus years that don't appear to have any problems and were probably ones found in drier areas so they aren't as prone to rust. I am sure they are keeping it a more environmentally controlled setting compared to most collectors. A little attention to any meteorite is in order to keep it preserved. Any iron (or for that matter) metal object that is exposed to weather/moisture will corrode as the Oxygen molecules attach themselves to the material. I've seen my share of rusty Brenhams and they can be a disaster. I've also seen Brenhams that are stable and only require a bit of care. I have a slice myself that doesn't cause me problems and I have had it over ten years. Those complaining about them or who have had bad experiences with them haven't handled enough specimens to know that there are decent specimens around if you know where to find them. I look forward to your report on the Brenhams and perhaps we can all learn a bit. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Live Chat Tonight?
Greetings, We had a live chat session last week and thought it might be fun to do it again tonight. I am giving everyone a bit of warning so everyone can plan and enjoy it. How about tonight at about 9 p.m. EST. The official chat site is on Mark Bostick's website and chat room. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/chatroom.html Tonight's topic: Why do you collect meteorites?? Also a good place to ask questions and just have some fun! --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: America’s Greatest Meteorite Hunter
Hi Bob and all, Skip Wison is all the things you say he is but I would like to differ with you just a bit and respectfully. I'd like to say for the present time that he is the greatest living meteorite hunter. The reason for this is that Harvey H. Nininger found 222 unique meteorites using his formula for recovery. I realize that Skip has recovered most of his own finds but Nininger was directly or indirectly responsible for finding over 2,000 meteorites in his life time and was also responsible for the recovery of other meteorites he didn't get credit for. Perhaps Skip will overtake his record someday and be recorded as the meteorite hunter that has recovered the most meteorites in our life time. Perhaps he will over take Nininger's record in time. In the meantime I'd like to give Nininger the credit he always deserves (I am sure you do) and keep our eye on Skips recover efforts. More power to him! Your comments always welcomed and appreciated. --AL Mitterling Robert Verish wrote: Just wanted to reply and say that I completely agree with Rubin. America’s Greatest Meteorite Hunter is Ivan “Skip” Wilson. As I’ve been saying for years, now, “He is the Man”. And I think he will continue to keep that title for quite a while. But it’s not because of all the meteorites he has found. Skip Wilson is “America’s Greatest” for all that he has done AFTER finding those meteorites. If Skip Wilson had found all of those New Mexico meteorites, but then put them in a box and just kept them under his bed, would he still be “America’s Greatest”? Of course not. It’s what Skip did with those meteorites, after he found them, starting back 30 years ago, that distinguishes him from the other meteorite hunters of his time. If you do a Google search on “Skip Wilson” or “Wilson, I. E.”, you will find that he has been a coauthor of at least 6 scientific papers spanning a period of 20 years from 1973 to 1993. Since 1993, there have been at least 50 papers that have made reference to his Roosevelt County meteorites, not to mention the other papers that have been written about all the other New Mexico meteorites that he has found. Whenever there was a discussion about age-dating, or terrestrial weathering, or residence time, or “rates of meteorite influx over time” there would always be a mention of his Roosevelt County meteorites. The name “Ivan Wilson” has been well known to meteorite researchers for some time. But back in 1998, how many of the nouveau collectors at that time knew of him? It took the fall of the Portales Valley meteorite that year to finally make Skip Wilson a household name to the collecting community. And now that we are appreciating the fact that Skip has “found” 125 unique meteorite classifications out of his total of 211 New Mexico meteorite finds, it is only proper that we should considered some way in which to recognize all of his efforts. And in the case that Skip should receive that recognition, I would hope that he not be slighted by getting an award for “all those meteorites he found”. Yes, that would be a “slight”. Think about it. How would we know about his 125 unique meteorites, if Skip hadn’t taken the extra effort to get each of his finds classified? We would be remiss, if we didn’t give Ivan “Skip” Wilson an award for “being the meteorite hunter that has contributed the most to the science of meteoritics”. Bob V. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Live Chat Tonight??
Greetings, We haven't had a live chat session for a long time anyone up?? The official chat site is on Mark Bostick's website and chat room. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/chatroom.html Tonight's topic: everything and anything (just keep it clean) --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re Bessey Specks
Hi Ed and all, Why not go to the local pharmacy and buy gelatin capsules. Small items can be stuffed into those and placed in a small ryker mount along with a label and description information at a fairly reasonable cost. I've done this for a long time and sold to many adults, kids and so forth. As far as Bessey Specks are concern or material that is boarding on impossible to see, I'll address this to collectors of such items, such items have a limited scientific value as they can't be verified and trying to do so would destroy them. I am wondering how difficult such small items will be to sell when a collection is offered up. It's a good thing to try to offer up crumbs and items that break during cutting and polishing, it's another thing to grind up a useful specimen for this purpose. Our job should be meteorite preservation when ever possible and trying to do no damage to specimens that have been around for a long time. I realize that not everyone can afford nice size chunks of certain rare material but if such collectors were to budget then I think they would be happier with more realistic sizes. Our attitude of I've got to have it now (am I am guilty here) results in a collection with many more times the cost in the long run than an item that has some heft and doesn't need a quality microscope to see it. Just my perspective from selling and not trying to make anyone feel bad here. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rock and Gem Article + Alien Metal?
Hi Geoff and all, A Couple of finds in meteorites (but not on Earth) that come to mind is Niningerite named after Harvey Nininger. I believe also that some mineral was found in the Spring Water Pallasite that was unique to space rocks. I see also that Bernd has sited some alien metal references. While this material is unique to space rocks, it is understood by the scientific community and explainable. Best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Non-terrestrial Mineral in Springwater = farringtonite (Mg, Fe)3 (PO4)2
Hi Bernd and thanks! Sort of a fitting thing (farringtonite) as Farrington was Nininger's mentor! Now which came first? The farrington or the Niningerite?? --AL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AL wrote: some mineral ... in the Spring Water Pallasite ... unique to space rocks Yep, that's farringtonite! farringtonite = (Mg,Fe)3 (PO4)2 Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Paypal Hackers WARNING!!!
Hi Dave, Don and all, I have been forwarding these malicious attempts at fraud to ebay for the last couple of years. eBay will send you a form letter stating they are looking into it, then another email stating it isn't from them (or paypal) and have turned it over to the proper authorities. I somehow doubt that they are turning it over to investigators as there seems to be a never ending stream of these attempts over and over again. Seems like sooner or later they would be leery of trying to get information the same way after others were investigated or arrested. I've never been told that someone trying to attempt this type of fraud on me was sentenced or anything remotely like that. I would be willing to bet that I have forward more than a thousand such similar attempts and eBay will only send information that tells you how to avoid spoof emails. This is a serious thing that they shouldn't rest until they are able to improve things. Someone once said that eBay really only cares about making money. Nothing wrong with that but their customer service, rating system and prosecution of criminals that try to take advantage of their format is sadly lacking. Safest bet is always go directly to the official site (don't click on emails) and check emails and paypal accounts directly to avoid major trouble. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites www.Mitterling.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Duck Chondrule
Hi Walter and all, Still a classic webpage under IMCA's domain and one people should visit when they can! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites www.Mitterling.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Unique Meteorite Desiccant Cartridge
Hi Mike and all, Funny you should post this subject. I am working on a product that collectors can use in collections to keep specimens dry. Ideally if you have a display case using one or more of these should help keep your specimens in better condition. The product contains the blue desiccant crystals which change color (yes I know they have chlorides in them, but if you don't touch your specimens directly on the crystals you are fine). The crystals are in a tube that can be recharged over and over making the product more cost effective. I need to post a picture somewhere so people can see the design. I will probably be able to offer different length tubes and depending on the needs of the collecting community is the size range I will sell. Contact me off list if you would like to see a photo of this or hear more about the product. I should have this in stock in the next month or two. Best! --AL Mitterling http://www.astro-artifacts.com/Astroartifacts/lm_cartridge.html A historical way to help keep my meteorites in dry air :) Kind regards, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] An open message to all list members
Greetings Paul, Peter and list, Very well said! --AL Mitterling Paul Barford wrote: I rather think this constant bitching and back-biting we find all too much of on this list is a greater direct threat to the hobby... Well said!!! I agree 100%!!! Peter Marmet Bern, Switzerland __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pluto Vote backlash
Greetings Plutoians, Looks like there is a little backlash on the Pluto vote with only 4% of the IAU deciding the "planets" fate. A fierce backlash has begun against the decision by astronomers to strip Pluto of its status as a planet. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5283956.stm Get your tar and feathers ready. --AL Mitterling Pluto will always be a planet __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Catalog Offering
To those interested, I have a limited color catalog printing of my current items available for sale. I will send these out on a first come first serve basis. If interested send an off list email message to me. Please provide your name, address, city, State and Zip (strictly my use only). This is a free item as long as they last. I'll also pick up mailing cost. Fun to look at if you don't buy. If you signed up elsewhere then you don't need to sign up again. Thanks for your indulgence! All my best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW PLANETARY NAMES
Greetings All, Thought I would jump in all this. For those in favor of changing the status of Pluto (as if we have any voice in the matter), I would recommend reading Clyde's book Out of the Darkness the Planet Pluto Today's generation seems to like to try and change history and what went on back in the good old days. History is history so why not leave it where it is. Pluto is probably a large belt object but the first one found. Add that to the textbooks but allow for the planet status to remain. Really until we go there and take a look around at Pluto and some of the other objects we may be wrong again. Lets make sure we know what we think we know. I am in favor of letting the scientific bodies decide this as long as they are fairly unanimous about it. Clyde was a very nice man and this was his claim to fame. I know he would be sad if this major discovery of that time were to be taken from him. How would the average person feel to make such a monumental discovery similar to this in our age, only to have some airheads of the modern day try to strip it from you?? Let sleeping dogs lay, and let discoveries remain what they were. --AL Mitterling Tracy wrote: For myself, unless there is something huge and spectacular hiding out there, I propose we call all the trans-Neptunian ice-and-dirtballs crutons (as several List members have suggested), lose Pluto as a planet (for strict interpretations), and stop throwing monkey doo-doo. :D Anyone here read a kids' book by Andrew Clements, called _Frindle_? Ver-r-r-y enlightening. Tracy Latimer (the Librarian-in-training) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Impact Crater
Try Again. Greetings, Anyone interested in new meteorcraters should check this link out. Not only a new one but from a cometary impact. Nice for the researcher to post it on a forum rather than the usual circles. You be the judge. http://www.nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=f9ca307aeb60243c16bc1d5350182090showtopic=7651 AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Message from Joel Schiff
Greetings, Anyone interested in new meteorcraters should check this link out. Not only a new one but from a cometary impact. Nice for the researcher to post it on a forum rather than the usual circles. You be the judge. http://www.nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=f9ca307aeb60243c16bc1d5350182090showtopic=7651 AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Last Post Should Read New Impact Crater
Sorry for the wrong topic in my post. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] re: Meteorite insurance
Hi Matt and all, Matt Morgan wrote: The best insurance...2 dogs and a shotgun. Matt, your ruining the surprise for would be thiefs. I am sure there are others who have this sort of security. Heck with the dogs beware of the owner :-) Good insurance --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Insuring your meteorite collection
Hi Mike, I think everyone has ran into this problem one time or another. Since they don't really understand meteorites it is hard for them to put a replacement cost on them. My insurer can't insure my collection. I had a good friend who sold insurance try to find someone to insure my specimens. Both when in storage and when I display in public. The only place that would insure them were Lloyds of London. The cost was high that in about a four or five year period I could buy another collection just like I have. Needless to say this is too costly and not worth the price. Most collectors (can I speak for others?) buy a fireproof vault and store them in the vault so they are protected against fire and theft. It is about the only way to insure them so to speak without the high costs. There is some risk doing it this way. I am sorry I can't offer a better way but at least this is a suggestion. One could also keep them in a lock box at a bank until you needed or wanted to get them out. Probably a better secure method than a home safe. Ultimately you need to protect specimens from adverse environments where ever they are stored. That's another topic. All my best to you! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Fwd: More on the creationists at theMeteoriteFestival
Hi Martin and all, Well put Martin and best to leave this type of off topic post for other forums that deal with those type of issues. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Amusing Chicago Sun-Times Article
Hi Geoff and Listees, I think you have hit the nail on the head in regards to this find which is in pieces. I am sure he wants this to be larger than Steve Arnolds orientated specimen. How can we be sure that what is in the hole he has found isn't other fragments from other finds? I guess if they can put them all together then I'd be satisfied that it WAS one of the largest masses of the Brenham fall. Other wise anyone can accumulate fragments from this fall and claim the largest specimen. I have to go with the largest intact fragment as counting as the largest main mass. Otherwise we might be subject to others gathering fragments and claiming to have the main mass. An example of this is Long Island (at the Field Museum) which is in may fragments and somewhat put together and at one time was a larger specimen. Hope this doesn't get into a main mass discussion :-; --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fraudulent Trade?
Greetings, Besides this particular case, there seems to be another dealer who sold a specimen for a considerable amount of money that was suppose to be a certain type of meteorite. The sale was done before the classification. It was later learned that the meteorite was not what it was suppose to be (class type) but a more common (but rare) class type. When the buyer asked for a refund he was told that he should take it up with the source that the dealer bought from and that he (the dealer) didn't think he was liable. I am here to tell you that such misrepresented classes by a dealer that is in good standing, YOU are liable and should offer a refund. I think the buyer used bad judgment but probably thought the dealer was better than that. I have nothing in this transaction so as Michael said, it isn't any of my business. I am very disappointed in this dealer. I am sure many will ask for the name of the dealer but I won't mention this to anyone individual. I would be glad to talk to the IMCA (at least a member I respect) and give them the details. Such poor behavior can ruin it for everyone. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairings Issues (SPPI)/Personal Thoughts
Greetings to all, There is another unfortunate side effect to the way specimens were collected in the NWA region. To me (an this is only my opinion) there has been a misrepresentation of true total weights by the finders along with dealers buying material. It is my understanding that often when material was collected at a NWA site, that it is/was kept separate and the found material represented a certain weight for that find. A dealer might buy a portion of that material say for example a 800 gram stone and leave the remaining say for example 4,200 grams for other buyers. The dealer of the 800 gram stone cuts the material and sends it off to be classified and given a number. After the specimen is then acknowledged with a class and given a number the dealer then offers this stone for sale with a total weight of 800 grams. The crime in this (per my example) is there is an additional 4,200 grams that were part of that fall. Buyers thinking they are buying what is only 800 grams of material are really being sold a number with a total weight 800 that matches 5 kilos of material, and making their material 6 times more common. One only has to look at the bulletins to see the large variety of various classes and high number of rare classes found. Obviously some of these are unique falls and possibly different material. HOWEVER, there are a great number of specimens that are paired (whether we know it or not and whether they are ever properly paired or not). If this doesn't show anything else, it should show the importance of proper collecting procedures so material can be properly cataloged and known. It is one reason why I haven't bought as many NWA specimens as I would like. While I am glad that there is new and unique material available for all of us, there is a lot of problems on the way items were collected, total weights and some dealers not informing buyers of possible paired material from the source they bought from. Sadly in the end this is about money, controlling the market and making you competition look bad. I think if dealers had worked together that the whole NWA fiasco might have yielded a better understanding of the true amount of falls and unique material from that region. (disclaimer) I'm not suggesting any of the debaters on this subject are guilty of what I have mentioned, rather it is a statement of one of the problems that I see with the collecting of NWA specimens and how they are collected, purchased and so on. Maybe some of the guilty will chime in to defend their bad practices. All my best to the rest! --AL Mitterling Adam Hupe wrote: The weight is recorded under a particular number so using nomenclature that applies to an official or provisional meteorite to describe another will only serve to make these weight entries inaccurate. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Possible meteorite fall in Northeast Brazil (forwarded message from Wilton Caravalho)
Greetings List members, I would like to invite list members who haven't had a chance to check out the Meteorite Impact Forum to try that forum out as another source of meteorite related topics and discussion. The intent is not to replace any of the other lists out there but rather provide another good format. We need some more experts on there for discussion The list is growing and we have over 1800 posts!. Anyone interested in my Nininger Moments will have to go there to see new posts on that subject. All my best! Here's the link: http://www.meteoriteimpact.invisionzone.com/ --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WARNING: New twist on eBay spoof (scam)
Hi Ron and all, Some of the new ebay spoofs are designed so you can't even forward the spoof to ebay. There have been a couple where I couldn't forward it to them. I did try to tell them about the spoof but there damn automated software won't acknowledge your complaint. So beware! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites R. N. Hartman wrote: As I have not seen this posted yet, I will send this warning along. It appears as if you are getting a message from an eBay member re: an auction #6436472319. The sender wants a reply and the message form looks quite real. In fact, it is an ebay message reply template. It may state that they bid on one of your auctions and is a request for shipping rates, it may be an inquiry about a non-delivered auction, or many other variations. If you click to tell the person that it isn't your auction, you will get a sign in screen requesting your ID and sign in password. THIS IS NOT FROM EBAY. If you go to the actual auction number you will get a warning message from the owner of that auction number who states that his auction number was stolen, etc. and to beware of a very clever scam. If you have done these things, best to change your password (and report it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] milton meteorite
Greetings, Several months back I made an offer on Milton. I didn't get any takers on the material. With low total weight and being a third parent body I would have thought I would have more interest. I guess people were waiting for a bargain?? In any case I'll see what I can do but don't hold your breath as this material is pretty much locked up not available at this time. Contact me if you have interest. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The non collector
Hi Anita and all, Sounds like you have your priorities right on collecting meteorites. Your well on your way to becoming a serious collector after you can fill in a few more priorities with meteorite related items ;-) All my best! --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] CBN blades
Hi Andreas, Hard to say what the problem is without some other imput. First it depends what you were cutting. If you were cutting urelite then if you got one cut out of it you were lucky. If you are cutting stony then something is wrong. If you are cutting iron then maybe you have run into carbos (small little diamonds) or a lot of schreibersite plates. The problem could be with the blades themselves not well made (usually the adhesive that binds the cutting material on the blade can be bad, or the way it was fused on the blade. The cutting material on the blade could also be bad and not as hard as it should. Sometimes it has to do with the cutting fluid and the angles it goes on at. Sometimes items cut really well and other times when the fluid isn't adjusted right then it can cause cutting problems. I myself have been experiencing cutting problems with these blades (and why I have responded) and it leads me to believe that there is a problem in their manufacturing somehow. They are useful but if they don't last then they are useless. All my best to you and everyone else who finds this useful. --AL Mitterling Andreas Gren wrote: Hello List I have some question about CBN blades. Now I used a 8'blade 0,12'thick for reducing the cut lost and after two small cuts al the CBN is lost in bits and now I have a bright metal blade. I bought the blades from different dealers. I always use oil for cooling. Now the questions: Did anyone had the same problem? Are there different producers of CBN blades? Is it a quality problem? Have I done something wrong? I think the blades are a little bit to expensive to throw them away after one use. Thanks Andi __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Magazine Contest
Dear List, Just a note to say that the Meteorite Magazine Contest is going to becoming to a close on December 31 at midnight New Zealand Time. To check out the details of the contest go to this link: http://www.arizonameteorites.com/contest.htm First prize winner gets his/her choice of the meteorites posted on the contest webpage above. We will have three winning places and the second place winner will get his/her choice of the remaining two specimens. Third place winner will get the remaining prize. Subscriptions have to be received (paid for) in order to count. Please send your list to me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or send to Joel Schiff/Meteorite Magazine at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we will determine the winner of the contest. We will announce the winner after all entries have been tabulated. Thanks for everyone's participation! See Mark Bostick's offer below! December 20, 2004 Mark Bostick has made a generous offer to everyone that buys a subscription to Meteorite Magazine before the end of the year. For details about this offer go to the link below. http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2004-December/147609.html --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Greensburg Pallasite
Hi Anne and all, Silent list like silent night. Greensburg is really a Brenham pallasite and yes properly classified and studied. No it isn't the largest pallasite in the world. I don't think that Esquel is either as Huckitta is pretty large and I think larger than Esquel. Just a while back we were discussing the largest pallasites so should be in the archives by now. I may be wrong since I didn't crack open any books and I am going from memory. All my best! --AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, Since the List is very quiet today, here is a question a friend of mine sent to me: --- but I'm curious, what do you know about the (fabled?) Greensburg, KS, meteorite, supposedly a pallasite? I see (from the internet) that the town claims this as the world's largest pallasite (they usually mis-spell it pallisite), though reliable sources rather say that Esquiel, Argentina (owned by Robert Haag) has that honor. I don't have as a large a library of meteorite books as I might, and my copy of your catalog is in my office (I of, course, am at home, it being Christmas), and I haven't really been able to find anything on the web reliable about the Greensburg KS meteorite, other than the promotional material on web sites about the town, about how you can see this meteorite on display in their local museum. Has it really been studied and catalogued, and is it really a pallasite? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite 'News'
Hi Walter and all, I have read T. R. LeMaire's book Stones from the Stars (and have a copy or two I would be willing to sell ;-) The book actually starts out with some good information about meteorites but about half way through he starts to mention the systematic landings and draws lines on certain falls finds to show an intelligence is peppering the Earth with these messengers from space. Needless to say I decided not to waste more time reading the rest when it got out of line. Better to re-read Find a Falling Star. Hey think I might just do that. All my best! --AL Walter Branch wrote: Hi Ken and List, Ever read T. R. LeMaire's book Stones from the Stars From the dust jacket... Why do 'Sociable Stone' meteorites usually fall near human habitation, while 'Shy Irons' descend in remote desert regions __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Harvey Nininger photographs added toNiningerMoments
Hi Mark and all, Mark, adding the photos to the Nininger Moments is really a very nice touch and it is good to see some of the old photos again. Nininger Cutting specimens is one of my favorites. I see the pictures from the old Meteorite Museum and just wish I could spend a couple of hours there, back in that time to look at all the fantastic meteorites that were on display and even to just look around at the museum itself. The picture of the old museum on route 66 is also a classic and it is good to see the museum intact. No doubt taken before the bypass that took away over half of Nininger's visitors at that time. Harvey had to compete with so many tourist traps where people making claims to have items of public interest were nothing more than elaborate schemes to get them to spend their vacation money. Many people walking in to Nininger's Museum of Meteorites often thought it was yet another tourist trap only to find a professional display of more meteorite types than any where else in the United States. The pictures are again a very nice touch to an excellent area on your website and I might add that there are plenty of other areas on Mark's website that are well worth the look and great for research. Please keep up the good work! --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Contest - Subscribe to Meteorite Magazine and Iwill send you free...
Hi Mark and all, Your kind offer is most appreciated and will certainly help the cause. Shameless bribes (borrowed from the original shameless ebay ads by Jim Strope) are certainly encourage to get new subscribers from where ever you can. I hope to see more such tactics to generate more subscribers. If the contests is well received we may hold another one next year or a couple of years later. We'll see. One contest rule that I have to point out, re-newals don't count so only new subscriptions can be counted. We we're looking for new subscribers, collectors and to interest as much of the planet as we can. My best to all and will wish everyone very Happy Holidays! --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NPA 04-29-1960: Planetarium looks for meteoritesat Al Mitterling's hometown
Hi Mark and all, Ya, we're still picking up pieces of that darn stuff. Can't seem to get rid of it. Just gets in the way :-) As I was telling another list member, we have 101 lakes in our one county. So any meteorite falls are probably attracted to the water. There was a reported fireball which happened in the 1800's that scared a couple of men and the horses that was pulling their carriage near Leesburg and Oswegal which could be in the county or far away. Since they heard it I think there could be some chance of a landing. All my best! --AL Mitterling MARK BOSTICK wrote: Paper: The Herald-Press City: St. Joseph, Michigan Date: Friday, April 29, 1960 Page: 6 Planetarium Seeks Pieces Of Space Rock The director of Chicago's Alder Planetarium, using information supplied by Herald-Press readers is in Warsaw, Ind., today with hopes of finding fragments of a fiery bolide which streaking across the southern sky last Thursday night. The planetarium's staff astronomer, Frank Jettner, said today that Director Robert I. Johnson is touring the area southeast of Warsaw in search of fragments believed to have fallen there after the bolide exploded about 11 p.m. Thursday. A bolide is a mass of rock, with perhaps a trace of metal which ordinarily orbits around the sun. Many astronomers hold the theory that bolides are parts of a planet that burst hundreds of millions of years ago, spreading its fragments through space in which the earth now travels. Jettner said the search for bolide fragments is a lust for the Alder planetarium and that Johnson has a good chance of finding some fragments. Johnson will attempt to interest residents of the Warsaw area in reporting any unusual rocks they find, Jettner said. The director believes that by finding fragments of the bolide he may help prove or disprove scientific theories concerning these apparent offshots from a vanished planet. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad Ebay Toluca
Try this link. --AL http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=2293725429 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad Ebay Toluca
Second try Hi List, Just a note that I have a very nice Toluca endpiece for sale. Weighs 337 grams nice pattern in the etched face and a glass like surface. This is a solid piece for your consideration. You can go to the auction at the link below. I also have a few other items for sale on ebay. Check my View seller's other items to see those. The Toluca ends in about 17 hours from this email post time today (or about 5 p.m. EST). Thanks for your time! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=2293725429 --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay scam warning
Hi Mike and all, This has happen to a couple of my high dollar auctions also, as well as one I bid on one time from another well known dealer. Not the same person but it must be a way of scamming people as you said and it's good to put out a notice when it happens with meteorite sales. Ebay did precious little to investigate, even though I was acting like I wanted the item and was going to send a payment on to them. The email account was active and I think they could have been caught. Best! --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Substitution- What if...
Hi Darrne and all, As you stated, without knowing the location find or fall then we could be dealing with a single 100 gram stone (which would get a much higher price) than a strewnfield with a 100 kg total weight. This in my opinion is the trouble with the NWA finds. The stone you buy could be a main mass or there could be tons of it. The damage is it could very easily undermine the market to the point of collapse or serious damage if people feel the credibility of the material they are buying isn't being properly presented in, find location, and total known weight. How would people like to have the value of their meteorites drop to 10% of what you have in them?? Yes, they can tell where some of the material comes from and you should look up in the newest Catalog of Meteorites or go online to the Meteoritical Bulletins and see Nova 1,2,3, and 4. There has been some questions about some other specimens also. --AL Mitterling Darren Garrison wrote: I'd say, so what if they do? I agree there is SOME value in knowing WHERE a meteorite landed-- an idea of the total mass, an idea of the orbit-- but those are two of the least important, most cosmetic and incidental aspects of the meteorite. The main scientific value lies in the contents of the stone itself. So I would say that just about the only harm that would be done would be to the wallets of the collecters trying to get stones from specific locations. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chat Tonight??
To those interested, Anyone up for a live chat tonight?? http://www.meteoritearticles.com/chatroom.html --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] So sad, so bad - downtime a g a i n ???
Hi Bernd and all, Your email as always is very appropriate! I think it should be a wake up call. A drowning victim only comes up three times before going down for good. To speak without thinking is to shoot without aiming. I can't think of a single quote I disagree with. All my best to all. --AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will take the liberty to quote from a few mails I've received of late and hope the people who wrote them will pardon me for doing so! I too grow weary of the list and certain types of threads. For me the list has become a real annoyance to my life. I find myself reading less and less...which is too bad. we've discussed many times how very few messages to the list we actually read, and how negatively the list has impacted our community. Even though I was not present at the Met-List's inception, I have read many archive posts and recognize its change from an informational and proper site to, well, I don't know how to describe the list today. I can also do without the list's daily digressions and ego wars Many of us have been on the List since its conception in, when was it, 1997 maybe? And I, like ... (and maybe others) are no longer on the List. I just got fed up with the non-meteorite stuff and saw yet another non-meteorite battle brewing and pulled plug. Sadly the Meteorite List has cost lots of dealers customers and many collectors have got out of collecting because of the negative posts. It is a spoiled child in bad need of discipline ... a list of responsible meteorite collectors who share a love of that hobby rather than misuse what was once a good idea for a list. my delete button is wearing out on my key pad from most of the recent posts on the List. I`m tired of all of the things ... The B.S. on the List goes beyond annoyance to the point where it is actually diminishing my enjoyment of the hobby. A lot of important people have left the List because of the poor content and bad behavior that exists there. I sometimes cringe when I read some of the posts made to the list knowing that people like Carleton Moore and Art Ehlmann, to name just two, might be reading the same garbage. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Catalogue of Meteorites?
Hi Jeff and all, I to would enjoy seeing another addition come out but I have my doubts if there will be one for a while. Perhaps you should go to the source Monica Grady. The current one took about three or four years to come out after it was announced. It was a long awaited printing from the 1985 addition with many new specimens added. I would also like to see a number of errors corrected that were correct in the addition before the current one. Being in the printing business (besides being a dealer) it's very easy for information to become distorted or for proof readers to miss typos on the drafts when all of this is being laid out to print. Bottom line is it takes lots of dedicated hours to undertake such a project and often there is precious little reward or grants to see that it gets done proper. --AL Mitterling Jeff Kuyken wrote: G'day List, Just wondering if anyone has heard whether there is any sign of a new Catalogue of Meteorites. It is more than 4 years since the 5th Edition was published __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Acomita
Dear list, I may be able to offer some of the very very rare Acomita Pallasite through the owner of the material. A TKW for this material is only 3956g and most is locked up in research institutions and I very much doubt it will ever become available. If interested please contact me off list for details. It is possible that some may become available but I need to see what interests there is out there. Best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Magazine Contest
List members, A reminder that we have a contest to see who can get the most new subscriptions. New subscriptions names must be sent to me or Joel Schiff and the magazine will verify these to determine a winner. Subscriptions must be in before the end of year December 31, 2004. A list of dealers who have kindly offered prizes for the winners of the contest. We will award a second, third and forth place. Winner can pick his/her choice of specimens below. Grand prize winner can choose two items. Good luck!!! AL Mitterling Richfield, Kansas Class: LL3.7 (19.58 grams) size (48 mm by 20 mm) OR Park Forest, IL Fell March 26, 2003 Class: L5 (5.89 grams) size (22 mm by 14 mm) Matt Morgan, 4.0g slice of NWA 1929 (likely paired or whatever) Howardite in addition to yours. Anne Black, 3.4 g Tatahouine Jason Phillips, NWA 1930 (LL3) of ~20 grams. Steve Arnold (Chicago), HAH 237 1 gram slice __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite from moroco
Hi Tom and all, I do. hello friend dese is for sal (translation: hello friend this is for sale) one/4kg 2/250g 3/50g Tom AKA James Knudson wrote: I don't either, braik where are you from? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Magazine Contest
Hi List, I suggested a contest about a week back to see who could get the most Meteorite Magazine subscriptions and I am offering either a Richfield, Kansas 19.8 gram Meteorite part slice or if you prefer a 10 gram Park Forest part slice. I can provide photos but need someone to host. Rules. Simply supply me or the Magazine with the number of subscriptions you have been able to generate. They must receive the subscription before the end of the year for it to count. We'll verify those with the highest count and the winner is entitled to his/her choice of the meteorites above. If someone wants to up the anti and donate another specimen we can accept that but will leave it to the people out there. We're just going by the honor system here but will need your list to verify how many people you have convinced to subscribe or you can provide subscriptions for people, museums, schools and so forth. Such subscriptions must be sent in by personal check or business check to count. Any suggestions (in case I have overlooked something) would be appreciated. I hope we can generate over a hundred subscriptions but several hundred would be better! All my best! Disclaimer, I am not associated with the Magazine (would it matter?) other than an occasional author. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Magazine Contest
Hi Anne, I like the idea of a second and third place. With Matt's and your offering of some nice pieces we can do that now! All my best! --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: LaCriolla + State Of Met. Market
Dear Michael and all, Michael, political ramblings are no place for this list. Please refrain from doing so any more. If we can talk about politics then why not religion, classic cars, cigars, coin collecting or what have you? A big part of the market is and has been hurt by useless fighting, all on this un- moderated list. Let's talk meteorites and follow Art's rules. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Omolon pallasite fall
Hi David, Jay and all, How many Pallasites are falls? I only know of four maybe five if Glorieta Mt. is counted (can it be counted). I have: Mt. Vernon, Ky. Omolom pallasite Marjalahti,USSR Glorieta Mt, NM Others??? --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Magazine comments
Hello Dr. Svend Buhl and list, I would like to challenge people on the list to a sort of contest. Lets see who can get the most Meteorite Magazine subscriptions from now until the end of the year! Winner gets a paid subscription for a full year (and yes it counts as one of my totals :-) and I'll throw in a meteorite along with that. I'll pick a nice specimen out that I have worked on. I'll annouce what it is in a few days. It is a good way to get new people interested in meteorites, expand Meteorite Magazine's subscription list and have a bit of fun while we are at it. So what do you say? Are you up to it? Let the subsciptions begin! All my best and comments welcome. --AL Mitterling Dr. Svend Buhl wrote: But there is also an appeal by the editor which I may forward to this list since not all of its members have the opportunity to read this unique periodical. He is asking us to support his endeavors by helping to build up the community of readers. Just be creative. Donate a subscription to your local school or planetarium or present a gift subscription to a friend or acquaintance who is interested in meteorites. Link the Meteorite Magazine homepage (http://www.meteor.co.nz/) from your site. Take a copy to meteorite fairs and exhibitions and display it on your table. Recommend it to fellow dealers and clients. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tailess Meteors?
Hi Tom and all, If you saw a meteor with no tail then chances are it was headed straight toward you!! These are the ones to listen to see if any sound occurs a few seconds to a couple of minutes later in the event material makes it to the ground. All my best to you! --AL Tom AKA James Knudson wrote: Hello List, I saw a meteor that left no trail. It was a kind of yellowish orange color. I have not seen a meteor with no tail, is this common? And what would cause this? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites
Hi Steve and all, Go for the Dhofar's then. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Nakhla Dogs Lives!
Hi Geoff and list, Boy you guys get things turned around. The Nakhla Meteorite hit a cat not a dog didn't it ;-) --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Any Dealings With This Gentleman??
Hi List, I was wondering if anyone has ever had any dealings with a Mr. Paul Fischer? Any help off list would be appreciated. Best! --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite?
Hi Robert and list members, Good to see that there are others out there who have seen through some of the discrepancies. I am glad you brought up the money issue as there are other items that were left out of the booklet. One item was a gold rush along the Oregon coast and John Evans ran into far greater expenses than predicted as supplies were being sold for many times their worth due to high demand. Back then you couldn't wire home every time you were faced with difficulties (you were out in the middle of nowhere) . I am sure they expected him (explorers) to act in the best interests of the states and I am sure this is what he did adding to a higher debt to do the exploring as he was expected to do. Evans was also married to a woman whose father was the designer of the Washington Monument. In other words they were probably well to do coming from influential families. After Evan's death, his wife made efforts to have his journals published but for what ever reasons (civil war) the moneys were never made available and much valuable information no doubt lost and perhaps that is the real tragedy. Some of the surveying that Evans did is still in use today and a basis of locations of Federal land and lands that were sold to settlers back then. So some things remain intact of his work. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite?
Greetings, If were talking the largest intact pallasite then Huckitta at 1400 kg would be it (though heavily oxidized) but Esquel when found was 1500 kg making it the largest ever found. The Brenham isn't the largest pallasite. Of course if Port Orford is ever found and assuming it is truly a pallasite (yea I know that it is considered a hoax but not in my book) it may be a sizable mass. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite?
Hi Bernd and all, I'll make that correction in the New Catalog of Meteorites I have. Unfortunately when doing research these typos cause misunderstanding for years to come and it will no doubt be used as a source for other printed material and will continue to cause these others sources to bring confusion on the total weight of this meteorite. Thanks again for the correction. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite?
Hi Bernd and all, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Evans' 10 tons of the Port Orford pallasite was a deliberate hoax. His Port Orford specimen was actually a piece of the Imilac meteorite. I don't disagree that the pieces sent to the Smithsonian and Vienna were Imilac, but I do think there is more than a little merit that it could also NOT be a hoax. I have a college who has done extensive research on Port Orford and there is as much mystery on some of the findings that have put to rest this story as the story itself. Probably the biggest question is why a copied manuscript was used to go back and trace Evan's routes. Certainly a copied manuscript could have been mis-copied by accident or even intentional, though it looks like Evan's wife may have done the copy but that hasn't been proven yet. I have posted in the past about the mystery (search under the Port Orford Meteorite) and why I am not convinced that it really has been solved. The person that has done the research is quite a historian and has been to hundreds of locations digging up information that points to a number of very interesting contradictions to the publicized official version. It may very well be that another person might have been involved in causing some confusion from the past. It is however up to the person doing the research to publicize their findings. I am simply looking at this in a purely may be or may not be but lets look at all the facts and not just what were told fashion. That's the way science is done, yes? All my best! --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A Nininger Moment #23
Not All Of Nininger Hunts Are Smooth The Trip To Loreto, Baja California Often turning his travels, letters from various people, and talking to farmers, ranchers and many other sources, Nininger would run into stories about where a meteorite was thought to exist if he would only go and check it out. Early on he often would make special effort to check out such stories but in his later years of experience, he would often ask questions and catalog an area to investigate when it sounded reasonable. Such was the case of the Loreto Meteorite which was mentioned to Nininger by a oil man John B. Quinn. Two years after hearing about a 150 lb meteorite that laid in a man's yard, Nininger and Addie his wife made a trip down to Guaymas on the Mexican mainland and from there Nininger would fly across to the Baja peninsula to Santa Rosalia. The trip to Loreto he was assisted by Quinn's friend a superintendent of a large cooper mine named Peter Mahieux. On the commute by cargo plane to Santa Rosalia, Nininger and Mr. Mahieux had time to talk and Mahieux himself had a small meteorite he gave to Nininger as a gift which turned up to be the Pallasite variety from the village of Ignacio The following day Mr. Mahieux drove Nininger by truck, 20 miles south to where a young Mexican maintain a machine shop. The young man had been employed by the cooper mine in the past but had been let go which Nininger would be told of later. The young man had been a pilot flying the plane they had flew on to commute from the peninsula to the mainland. Mr. Mahieux explained to Nininger that he would be flown in a plane that the young Mexican had built himself out of crashed airplanes and auto parts but he was the best pilot Mr. Mahieux knew. Nininger expressed concern over this but because Mr. Mahieux had gone so far out of his way and assured Nininger of the young Mexican's qualifications, Nininger accepted his hosts words. On inquiring about why the young man had been let go Mr. Mahieux told Nininger that the young Mexican had on several occasions played a very disturbing trick with the passengers he flew. He would take off with a group of people then when out in the middle of the 100 mile wide gulf he would topple over and pretend to be unconscious, until all the passengers were all near hysterics. The young Mexican seem to derive great fun from this activity. It would be this young man and Nininger who would fly to Loreto along with a retired navy captain and a young geologist who accompanied them on other business. The trip down was uneventful and upon arrival Nininger contacted a padre who spoke some broken english and helped him to contact one of Mahieux former employees who guided Nininger to a Senor Davis, whose yard the meteorite rested. It was a true meteorite and was heavier than Nininger had been told, weighing out at 209 lbs. A price was reached and arrangements were made to ship the large meteorite back to Nininger's home. Nininger soon returned to the flying field at a time that was agreed upon by the parties flying back. All were there except for the pilot who was last seen in a bar about an hour ago. After many uncomplimentary comments about the pilot, the group went and retrieved the young Mexican from the bar and they noted he seemed to be in fair shape. He was taken to lunch an only allowed to drink coffee. After the lunch the group went back promptly to the plane where the young Mexican took off without a hitch. While in the air he instructed the geologist to take over the wheel while he rolled himself a cigarette. The geologist refused and the young Mexican simply shifted the wheel over to him. Nininger and the navy captain had a good view of the back of the geologists head and neck, noting that the neck had turned beet red. Nininger stated that he had never so strongly wanted to hit a man over the head as he did the young Mexican but as he told the navy captain, what good would that do? Mean while while the plane wavered, the young Mexican leaned back and enjoyed the cigarette he had rolled, reaching over to right the plane at the hand of the protesting geologist. Nininger stated that the flight was only 35 or 40 minutes but the three passengers during the flight lived as many days. Upon arrival a perfect landing was made but none of the passengers felt incline to thank their young pilot. The Loreto meteorite was said to have been found from the site in the mountains about 6 hours ride by mules from the nearest ranch on the gulf shore. It was also told that a larger iron, too heavy to move was also at that site. Nininger said that from the Loreto specimen he bought, it was obvious that it had been torn from a larger mass and that the story of a larger mass seem to make sense. Enough sense that later in 1964 and 1965 that Nininger tried to track down the larger mass of Loreto. As with other meteorite hunts, the larger mass was never located. Nininger felt that someday maybe erosion or someone knowledgeable would
Re: [meteorite-list] There are no silly questions? Wait until you haveread that :-)
Hi Bernhard, My suggestion is to read Harry (Jr.) McSween's newest book Meteorites and Their Parent Planets as it answers most of the questions you have addressed with excellent reasons for our believe in what comes from where. A lot of work has been done with Hubble and it has further verified our suspicions on certain relations between meteorites and their parent bodies. I might add that we think with a pretty good degree of certainty that the H class type meteorites come from Hebe. There are others some more and some less certain. Here is the not so short answer to two of your questions. Bernhard Rems wrote: 1) HEDs are from Vesta. Fine. All of them? How comes that with 50.000+ known asteroids, all HEDs come from a single one? As far as I know, spectroscopic evidence points to Vesta, yes - but how large is the chance that HEDs do NOT come from Vesta. An absence of meteorites consisting of recrystallized ultramafic rock suggests the parent body hasn't suffered such a catastrophic collision that it is no longer intact. The mineralogy of eucrites provides a VERY distinctive reflectance spectrum with a strong absorption band near 1 um attributable to pyroxene. This was the first strong evidence we ever had that certain meteorites and Vesta were probably related. The brightness of this asteroid (or chips from Vesta, Vestoids) imply a very limited chance that connection with any other asteroid is very low. No other V-class asteroids have ever been discovered elsewhere in the solar system making the correlation between the HED's and Vesta one that can be determine with confidence. No doubt the impact at Vesta's south pole (a 460 km impact crater) where some 1% of Vesta's mass was removed is the source of most of our Howardites, Eucrites and Diogenites. The mapping of the surface by Hubble and the spectral reflectance and signatures Make the odds of these meteorites coming from anywhere else nearly 0. (source: Meteorites and Their Parent Planets). 2) Meteorites have been ejected towards earth by collisions between asteroids. As was said early that most likely very few meteorites came to us from direct impact. Rather between the orbits of Jupiter and Mars are places that are devoid of asteroids at all. These places are called Kirwood Gaps. These are areas that have a common ratio of orbit with Jupiter. Examples are a 1:2 or 1:3 or 1:4 and there are many others combinations. When a collision happens and a meteoroid falls into or near one of these gaps they begin an amazing process of being perturbed. Each time they make an orbit Jupiter pulls them out a little farther making a circular orbit an elliptical one. As this cosmic, rhythmical orbiting continues over the eons it can be pulled out futher become an Mars crossing, Earth crossing, Venus crossing and even evidentially end up finding it's way to the sun, in the event it doesn't collide with the inner planets. Probably this is the biggest source of our meteorites. I have also read (heard) that the sun can heat the sides of asteroids up causing them to gas also providing a means of them to move out of a stable orbit and perhaps into one of the Kirkwood gaps. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pictures needed (urgent)
Hi Pierre-Marie and all, Which I could help you out some but what you showed me is that I have precious few French Meteorites in my collection after looking to see if I could help out. All my best and good luck. --AL Pelé Pierre-Marie wrote: Hello to the List, A few days ago, I sent an S.O.S. to get some nice meteorite pictures for my book The French Meteorites. I still need the following meteorite pictures, in high resolution (no matter if this is fragment, slice or individual) : - Aumieres - Beuste - Chitenay - Esnandes - Favars - Galapian - Granes - Kerilis - Kermichel - Mascombes - Mezel - Montlivault - Mornans - Quinçay - St Caprais - St Chinian - St Christophe la Chartreuse - Ste Marguerite Can you help me ? The deadline is this week ! Thanks a lot, Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] There are no silly questions? Wait until you haveread that :-)
Hi Bernhard and all, Bernhard Rems wrote: 4) Iron meteorites originate from the core of a large and destroyed planetoid. Furthermore - there must have been at least two bodies of that size (because planetoids do not explode, they have to collide to eject core material into the solar system. Is this assumption right or wrong? AL says:-) O.K. one other comment from me then I'll give people a brake. Most of the Iron meteorites come from 12 distinct parent bodies (based on chemical classification). We then have an additional 80 some anomalous that provide us with the remainder of our iron meteorites. Some 86% of all iron meteorites belong to the 12 main groups. As McSween says the core of the problem, is iron meteorites have pretty plain spectra and light coming from them (albedo) is poor. Also iron meteorites represent a highly differentiated body one that has been heated (of course) and altered doing a resetting of the isotopes that might help us shed light on their origin. Silicates we find in iron meteorites sometimes help us out a bit with this. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tagounite L3
Hi Bernd and all, Does anyone know the official name then of Tag 019?? I saw it once on the list but didn't record it in my record proper. Anyone?? --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A Nininger Moment #22
Changing The Main Stream Thinking On a program Of Meteorites Besides Hunting for meteorites and his growing program of recovery, Nininger had a passion and a dream that there would sooner or later be an area of science of meteorites. His first efforts talking to a number universities, colleges, institutions, and museums that some sort of a program should be funded for their understanding and pursuit seem to fall on deaf ears and often Harvey Nininger ran into many negative avenues when he would suggest that such a program was very vital to learning about them. Sometimes he was told that all that was known about them was enough. He stated that at a time he was growing all consuming in the subject and felt a need for more study on them, was the time they seemed to be dead or dying out in America with the except of two men. They were Dr. George P. Merrill of the U.S. National Museum in Washington D.C. and Dr. Oliver C. Farrington of the Field Museum in Chicago, Illinois. Nininger stated that he was in debt to both men for their help and encouragement, though not always positive. In 1928 he outlined his idea of a field program for locating and preserving meteorites to Dr. Merrill. Suggesting that such a program would provide meteorites for the great museum. Nininger spoke at great length to Merrill but was told that if such a program were funded well, that it would take the rest of Nininger's life to find a single specimen. Nininger told him that he didn't know how but he would proceed some way with his program and the next time he saw him, he would have a new meteorite to sell to him. Merrill amusing laughed and they shook hands. The next time they met, Nininger had two specimens to sell him and both were bought! His multiple visits with Farrington and expressing his ideas seem radical to Farrington but were listen to with great interest. Farrington was a great student of meteorites, their structures and chemical compositions, along with many other aspects of meteorite finds, falls and numbers. On one of his final visits he outlined his ideas of a program of meteorite research. Farrington at that time was old and not in the best of health but expressed a deep desire he could have join Nininger in his program and adventure if he were younger. Farrington expressed a desire to help Nininger realize his dream if at all possible. Nininger stated at a time in the 20's when the talk of rockets for exploration was the wildest of fiction, he believed that man was destined to explore more of the universe. Yet no one seem to share his interest of a program of meteorites. Nininger found out at the time that less than 10% of colleges and universities and very few high schools had even a single meteorite, let alone a collection. Nininger considered meteorites among the most important items these institutions could have maybe more than other items that were on display. Nininger was working outside of his field of study and because of this was not always respected or welcomed with his ideas of a program to find meteorites or study them. He realized he needed to use the lack of interest to his advantage and found ways of doing so, like finding ways of buying meteorites from falls that the institutions didn't need or want after a new find or fall. Nininger realized that for the most part, realizing his dreams would fall upon his own shoulders and he would have to find a way to fund his program in order to prove his ideas were workable and not the fantasy of a young man. In order to do this he needed to devote his full attention to the program, retire his position at the university he taught and find a way to make meteorites pay for the program of recovery and study. The Trip down to Mexico had provided many specimens but were still not enough to fully insure his program. However the fruits of his program were beginning to produce results and after a short while provided the needed stock of meteorites for Nininger to set off fully on his new program though risky. The Nininger Moments are articles or books written originally by Harvey Nininger and put into a consolidated form by Al Mitterling. Some of the items written in the moments might be old out dated material and the reader is advised to keep this in mind. Source: Find A Falling Star --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I am back and TONS of new Ebay Auctions
Hello Dean and all, Welcome back Dean and congratulations on your marriage. Glad you didn't get bit while playing with the sharks :-) Wishing you both the best of life! Hope she has fun in all this craziness. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Which one came closest?
Greetings everyone, Great topic and fun to read the responses. I'm going to rain on the parade and say it should be which 'known one came closest. Which one came closest is sort of a moot point as only 1% of specimens are ever found, so you know there has to be a significant meteorite within a mile or two (probably closer) of just about everyone that has yet to be recovered! No doubt many fell quietly un-noticed. Which known one came closest for me is Plymouth, Indiana. All my best! Don't throw rocks or meteorites (unless they're ultra rare :-) (lunar and martian preferred) --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Re-2: [meteorite-list] which came closest?
Hi Bernd and all, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now anyone guess who this partial slice came from ??? David New??? --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A Nininger Moment #21
The Tough Early Years A number of lessons that Nininger learned in the beginning of his quest for finding meteorites taught him early on that a program of hunting down meteorites would be a rewarding but difficult endeavor. In one of the early chapters of Find a Falling Star, at the beginning of each chapter is a wise saying. Perhaps the one that says it all of Nininger's quest was this one: Apply your mind to at least one problem which has never been solved, which in general is considered impossible of solution, but if solved would help out humanity. Do with your life something that has never been done, but which you feel needs doing. In Nininger's effort to learn about meteorites, first he found precious little information on the subject. One of the first good tools in the form of a book was one written by Dr. O.C. Farington called the Catalog of Meteorites of North America (published 1909). Here Nininger was able to read about the recorded falls and finds of the past to the current time of 1909. In his efforts to locate the fall of November 9th, 1923 that he himself had seen fall, he had located two other meteorites in the predicted area of the fall. The same had been true when hunting down a couple of other leads, leaving him to believe correctly that meteorites were more plentiful than believed to be at that time. These finds were the reward he needed to continue on with the program of hunting meteorites Often Nininger would take time off and drive down the the old rural roads of Kansas in an already old Model T of the time. As he had no place for a spare tire, a good pair of tire tools and patching materials for his car were in order. Often repairing tires in a raw, cold numbing Kansas wind and in ankle deep mud in order to drive to some out of the way farm house to check a lead. Sometimes creeping through mud for hours only to find a common rock rather than a meteorite. At the beginning of his program he borrowed from the family budget in order to be able to do a field trip, often lecturing along the way for extra money in the area he was an authority in. Usually he would stay at third class hotels and eat cold lunches to keep the costs down and seeing if his idea of hunting and finding meteorites had merit. He often brain stormed of ways to fund his idea, knowing that grants for an untested program would never be given, when money was short for programs considered far more important of the time. In trying to find out more about meteorites he made field trips to other universities in Kansas thinking he would run into some good resources or a knowledgeable professor on the subject. What Nininger found was an ignorance of the subject. His trip for example to the University of Kansas at Lawrence yielded only a bit of information on the subject dear to his heart. He question both the geology department heads as well as the astronomy department. He found that the professors in the geology department professed ignorance on the subject but worst to Nininger was the total lack of interest in the subject. They showed him an un-labeled meteorite and told him which one they thought it was. Nininger saw that what they claimed to be a iron meteorite was rather a stony-iron which he identified as being a part of the Brenham, Ks find. Talking to the professor in the astronomy department he produced a very common slice of an iron meteorite telling Nininger the very basic chemical structure of the specimen. When asked about stony meteorites the professor stated he didn't know there were any. Nininger often ran into this same type of ignorance in other localities of higher learning. It seem that the geologists felt it was related to astronomy coming from the sky and the astronomers felt that it was more of a geology subject because of the make up being stony or iron. From 1923 to 1929 Nininger gained both knowledge and experience while he taught at McPherson College. One of the ways he learned more was to visit the major collections of the time. These were Washington, Chicago, New York, Harvard, Yale, and Amerst. Only one other collection on the continent of North America was worth a visit and that was in Mexico City where five of the greatest meteorites of the world were held. But he also needed a way to pay for the program he wished to pursue. This is where the plans to go to Mexico first began and a way to possibly better fund his new program. The Nininger Moments are articles or books written originally by Harvey Nininger and put into a consolidated form by Al Mitterling. Some of the items written in the moments might be old out dated material and the reader is advised to keep this in mind. Source: Find A Falling Star --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A Nininger Moment
Second Try The Tough Early Years A number of lessons that Nininger learned in the beginning of his quest for finding meteorites taught him early on that a program of hunting down meteorites would be a rewarding but difficult endeavor. In one of the early chapters of Find a Falling Star, at the beginning of each chapter is a wise saying. Perhaps the one that says it all of Nininger's quest was this one: Apply your mind to at least one problem which has never been solved, which in general is considered impossible of solution, but if solved would help out humanity. Do with your life something that has never been done, but which you feel needs doing. In Nininger's effort to learn about meteorites, first he found precious little information on the subject. One of the first good tools in the form of a book was one written by Dr. O.C. Farington called the Catalog of Meteorites of North America (published 1909). Here Nininger was able to read about the recorded falls and finds of the past to the current time of 1909. In his efforts to locate the fall of November 9th, 1923 that he himself had seen fall, he had located two other meteorites in the predicted area of the fall. The same had been true when hunting down a couple of other leads, leaving him to believe correctly that meteorites were more plentiful than believed to be at that time. These finds were the reward he needed to continue on with the program of hunting meteorites Often Nininger would take time off and drive down the the old rural roads of Kansas in an already old Model T of the time. As he had no place for a spare tire, a good pair of tire tools and patching materials for his car were in order. Often repairing tires in a raw, cold numbing Kansas wind and in ankle deep mud in order to drive to some out of the way farm house to check a lead. Sometimes creeping through mud for hours only to find a common rock rather than a meteorite. At the beginning of his program he borrowed from the family budget in order to be able to do a field trip, often lecturing along the way for extra money in the area he was an authority in. Usually he would stay at third class hotels and eat cold lunches to keep the costs down and seeing if his idea of hunting and finding meteorites had merit. He often brain stormed of ways to fund his idea, knowing that grants for an untested program would never be given, when money was short for programs considered far more important of the time. In trying to find out more about meteorites he made field trips to other universities in Kansas thinking he would run into some good resources or a knowledgeable professor on the subject. What Nininger found was an ignorance of the subject. His trip for example to the University of Kansas at Lawrence yielded only a bit of information on the subject dear to his heart. He question both the geology department heads as well as the astronomy department. He found that the professors in the geology department professed ignorance on the subject but worst to Nininger was the total lack of interest in the subject. They showed him an un-labeled meteorite and told him which one they thought it was. Nininger saw that what they claimed to be a iron meteorite was rather a stony-iron which he identified as being a part of the Brenham, Ks find. Talking to the professor in the astronomy department he produced a very common slice of an iron meteorite telling Nininger the very basic chemical structure of the specimen. When asked about stony meteorites the professor stated he didn't know there were any. Nininger often ran into this same type of ignorance in other localities of higher learning. It seem that the geologists felt it was related to astronomy coming from the sky and the astronomers felt that it was more of a geology subject because of the make up being stony or iron. From 1923 to 1929 Nininger gained both knowledge and experience while he taught at McPherson College. One of the ways he learned more was to visit the major collections of the time. These were Washington, Chicago, New York, Harvard, Yale, and Amerst. Only one other collection on the continent of North America was worth a visit and that was in Mexico City where five of the greatest meteorites of the world were held. But he also needed a way to pay for the program he wished to pursue. This is where the plans to go to Mexico first began and a way to possibly better fund his new program. The Nininger Moments are articles or books written originally by Harvey Nininger and put into a consolidated form by Al Mitterling. Some of the items written in the moments might be old out dated material and the reader is advised to keep this in mind. Source: Find A Falling Star --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteor or Space Junk Fall
Hey List, There was a meteor or space junk fall around my area on Sunday. A local family video taped the event and can be viewed here: http://home.wane.com/Video/ufo%20raw.WMV Ironically I might have seen this fall my self when I was on my way home from Kokomo Indiana as I saw a nice bright meteor from southwest of Marion. I figured that if anything came down, it hit in Ohio as it was close to the horizon. Will keep people posted if I hear anything. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor or Space Junk Fall
Hello again, After viewing the video footage which was better than my line of sight on the object (if it was the same object) seems to be moving too slow for meteoroid debris. I am betting on some space junk for the time being. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
