[meteorite-list] Which meteorite showers were visible in the USA in December 1847?
Hi, I'm following up a research question and I'm not sure of the answer. I am trying to find out whether any meteorite shower would have been visible to the naked eye, and mentioned in newspapers, in the first week of December 1847. Any ideas? Many thanks, Chris __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Which meteorite showers were visible in the USA in December 1847?
Hi Chris, I did consider the Andromedids but I didn't think they'd be visible or much discussed. Would the interest expressed in that shower have been published before or after December 6th? Also I checked 19th century newspaper archives for the term Andromedids but couldn't find anything for 1847. Thanks again, Chris __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite exhibit in South Dakota, 1914-1920 - anyone heard of it?
Hi colleagues, The Morning Republican of South Dakota (October 1920) described a meteorite that was discovered somewhere between Alpena and Wessington Springs in South Dakota in 1910. Its finder was a Mrs. A. A. Barnhardt, who by 1914 had put the object on display in the state capital, where it remained for six years. The rock weighed nearly six pounds, was eight inches long, four inches thick, and five inches wide. Physically its shape resembled a serpent’s head Mrs Barnhardt was exhibiting it in October 1920 in Mitchell. I'm trying to trace the story and the object. Has anyone ever heard of it? Many thanks, Chris __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Find in Algonia, Wisconsin, in 1887?
Hi Herman, Do you know whether the shape was actually shield-like? Is this even possible? Best, Chris On 2/24/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Chris; Yes this is a meteorite,the name it goes by is ALGOMA III CD Medium octahedrite;band width 0.6mm.approx recovered weight; 4.1kg.A mass of 9lb ( 4.1kg),discoid in shape,was ploughed up. Contains 10.62% Ni. W.H. Hobbs ( 1903 ).Chemically anomalous. Catalogue of Meteorites,fifth edition.Find 1887. I'll bet it is a beauty when etched with that much Ni.Good luck. Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770. **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Find in Algonia, Wisconsin, in 1887?
Hi list, Has anyone heard of this find? Can anyone tell me how likely it is that this object was actually a meteorite? Regards, Chris The Terril (Terril, Iowa) Tribune October 24th 1901 p.4 The University of Wisconsin has come into possession of a unique piece of meteoric iron. The date of its fall is not known, but it was plowed tip near Algonia, Wisconsin, in 1887, and until a short time ago remained in the hands of the farmer who discovered it. It is shaped like a shield, 10 inches long by six broad, and an inch thick in the center. The convex surface is smooth, while the concave side is rough and incrusted with oxide. It is believed that it moved broadside through the air, the convex surface in front. On this surface are strongly marked lines, radiating from a nearly flat elliptical boss in the center. The lines deepen as they approach the periphery. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Find in Algonia, Wisconsin, in 1887?
Algoma, rather than Algonia. Excellent, thanks very much. Chris On 2/23/08, Ken Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, The Algoma meteorite is at the University of Wisconsin: Meteorites Near the entrance to the museum a meteorite display includes many examples from Wisconsin including the Trenton meteorite (1858), the Algoma meteorite (found in 1887) and the Kilborn meteorite (1916). Both stony and iron meteorites are on exhibit, including specimens from Argentina, Namibia and a large (300 lb) piece of the Canyon Diablo meteorite from Holbrook, Arizona (25,000 - 50,000 years ago). (http://www.geology.wisc.edu/~museum/exhibits.html) Best, ken newton chris aubeck wrote: Hi list, Has anyone heard of this find? Can anyone tell me how likely it is that this object was actually a meteorite? Regards, Chris The Terril (Terril, Iowa) Tribune October 24th 1901 p.4 The University of Wisconsin has come into possession of a unique piece of meteoric iron. The date of its fall is not known, but it was plowed tip near Algonia, Wisconsin, in 1887, and until a short time ago remained in the hands of the farmer who discovered it. It is shaped like a shield, 10 inches long by six broad, and an inch thick in the center. The convex surface is smooth, while the concave side is rough and incrusted with oxide. It is believed that it moved broadside through the air, the convex surface in front. On this surface are strongly marked lines, radiating from a nearly flat elliptical boss in the center. The lines deepen as they approach the periphery. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The mainly late Spring and February statistics?
Helps me! Chris On Feb 19, 2008 3:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/17/2008 2:41:42 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe there is a cluster of falls in late Febuary and also in mid to late April but I am relying on memory and did this research 10 years ago. Be it remembered that 3:pm would tend to captuer slower total velocities comeing away from it's solar pass. Elton Hey Elton, Instead of relying on your memory, you could go to my site, and look at the Calendar of Falls. _http://www.impactika.com/birthday.htm_ (http://www.impactika.com/birthday.htm) June has the most falls (100) and there is certainly more witnessed falls in the summer than in winter. I hope this will help. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The 3:00pm fall statistic?
Hi list, I am currently trying to write an article which demolishes certain myths about meteorites. One of these - I assume it is a myth - is the idea that most meteorites fall at 3:00pm. I have no idea where this comes from, but I also have no statistics to demonstrate it to be false. Could anyone help me? Sincerely, Chris __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The mainly late Spring and February statistics?
Hi list, While I am writing an article to demolish certain myths about meteorites, I have come across the idea that major falls (large objects) usually occur in February or late Spring. While I doubt this is true, I have no statistics to prove it, similar to the 3:00 pm idea. Anyone able to help me? Thanks, Chris __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The 3:00pm fall statistic?
Hi Martin, I have access to the database here http://www.nhm.ac.uk/jdsml/research-curation/projects/metcat/indexmany.dsml but the times aren't recorded. If there are any other full online catalogues I'd gladly sift through all the results. Best, Chris On 2/16/08, Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael, why not just look at the times of ALL falls, there are not more than 1100. (and to learn about the sleeping habits of different times and cultures). Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michael L Blood Gesendet: Samstag, 16. Februar 2008 20:15 An: chris aubeck; Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] The 3:00pm fall statistic? Hi Chris, Why not just look at the times of 100 random falls (Meteorites A to Z or The Catalogue of Meteorites). Best wishes, Michael on 2/16/08 10:58 AM, chris aubeck at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, I am currently trying to write an article which demolishes certain myths about meteorites. One of these - I assume it is a myth - is the idea that most meteorites fall at 3:00pm. I have no idea where this comes from, but I also have no statistics to demonstrate it to be false. Could anyone help me? Sincerely, Chris __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Jesus was killed by a stress position. In the US it is now legal to place People in a stress position. (sometimes, Done for days - as well as repeated drowning revival, refrigeration and boxes that Do not allow sitting, standing or lying down). No trial, no lawyer, just torturefor months Or years. You can thank King George, our complacent Senate and our willing citizenry. Didn't we used to be the good guys? Michael Blood Stop Torture here:http://www.tearitdown.org/?tr=yauid=3159452 Feed the hungry HERE: http://www.freerice.com/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 3:00 p.m. fall statistics
Many thanks Bernd, But I can't find a single programme to open these Powerpoint slides. It seems they are earlier versions than anything I have can handle. If anyone can convert one for me to a later format I'd love to see them. Thanks! Chris On 16 Feb 2008 22:52:49 UT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris and List, Attached you'll find two of my Powerpoint slides. They may be of interest to you. Even though they date back to the 90's, they give a fairly accurate picture (a statistical overview) of the frequency of (observed) fall times and why more meteorite falls have been observed in the early afternoon hours. Best wishes, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 3:00 p.m. fall statistics
I received them and managed to see them in the end with an old Microsoft viewer. Office 2007 doesn't support PPT 95, it seems. Chris On Feb 17, 2008 12:22 AM, Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Bernd, Hope you and Pauline are both well and happy. I believe you forgot to add the attachment to which You refer - either that, or the list automated system automatically Removes all attachments. Best wishes, Michael on 2/16/08 2:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris and List, Attached you'll find two of my Powerpoint slides. They may be of interest to you. Even though they date back to the 90's, they give a fairly accurate picture (a statistical overview) of the frequency of (observed) fall times and why more meteorite falls have been observed in the early afternoon hours. Best wishes, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 3:00 p.m. fall statistics
Wow with this I'll be still up when Bernd is having breakfast tomorrow! Very interesting, thanks. Chris On Feb 17, 2008 12:47 AM, Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is an extract of all known fall times from MetBase, for those who want to play with the data. Comma-separated format. I have suppressed the names of the meteorites. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/csv/times.csv Jeff At 06:29 PM 2/16/2008, chris aubeck wrote: I received them and managed to see them in the end with an old Microsoft viewer. Office 2007 doesn't support PPT 95, it seems. Chris On Feb 17, 2008 12:22 AM, Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Bernd, Hope you and Pauline are both well and happy. I believe you forgot to add the attachment to which You refer - either that, or the list automated system automatically Removes all attachments. Best wishes, Michael on 2/16/08 2:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris and List, Attached you'll find two of my Powerpoint slides. They may be of interest to you. Even though they date back to the 90's, they give a fairly accurate picture (a statistical overview) of the frequency of (observed) fall times and why more meteorite falls have been observed in the early afternoon hours. Best wishes, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Strange meteorites
Hi list, As some of you know, I am always looking for stories of strange meteorites for my folklore archive. These can be old or new tales, fragmentary or anecdotic or full reports. Meteorites bearing inscriptions, faces (yes, I noted the Jesus and Elvis appearances), containing artifacts, weird colours, etc. I collect real claims, or literary ones. I am also looking for very silly meteowrongs (not mere amorphous stones). Anything you come across would be appreciated... Many thanks, and merry Xmas! Chris __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fossil as a 17th century term for excavated meteorite?
Hi list, Can anyone tell me when the word fossil was first used to describe meteorites of this kind? The use of the term to refer to obtaining anything by digging comes from the early 17th century, its use with chiefly organic remains a century later (1736). I was wondering whether the word, in the field of meteorites, had come to us from before 1736. Fossil: 1619, obtained by digging (adj.), from Fr. fossile, from L. fossilis dug up, from fossus, pp. of fodere to dig, from PIE base *bhedh- to dig, pierce. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=fossilsearchmode=none Regards, Chris On Dec 2, 2007 5:48 PM, Chauncey Walden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean, since the loose definition of fossil is any evidence of former life, obviously a meteorite, well, most;-), cannot be a fossil. Paleo, or old, is the better term, and in the case in discussion represents a meteorite that has fallen in past times to the extent of having been incorporated into what became a geologic formation and, in some cases, weathered out again. Your confusion seems to be between fossilization, or the preservation of any evidence of former life (like a basically unaltered mammoth tusk in the Artic), and petrification, or the replacement or pereservation of material by the introduction of silica, like petrified wood. The interesting thing, is that in well preserved petrified wood the cellulose can remain. The silica can be dissolved out and the cellulose structure captured and studied, even to the extent of taking biologic stains. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fossil as a [17th century] term for excavated meteorite
Hi, I have found several references from 1871, using Google Book Search. Viewing is restricted to: Fossil Meteorite.— A new meteorite has just been discovered in the miocène ... This is the first instance on record of a truly fossil meteorite having been You can see further examples here: http://books.google.es/books?q=%22fossil+meteorite%22 I don't know what it is referring to. Best, Chris On 02 Dec 2007 20:03:16 UT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris inquired: Can anyone tell me when the word 'fossil' was first used to describe meteorites of this kind? It looks like this word has never been used at any time before the late 20th century to describe meteorites. Best regards, Bernd BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 3, pp. 1403-1408: Monturaqui: Taenite ribbons and plessite fields occurred locally; the fields were up to 1.1 x 0.4 mm in size, but were fossil; i.e., what remained was really only the high-nickel rim zones and the retained taenite (austenite) around martensite of high-nickel, high-carbon morphology. Thorslund, P., Wickman, F.E. (1981) Middle Ordovician chondrite in fossiliferous limestone from Brunflo, central Sweden (Nature, 289:285- 286). Catalogue of Meteorites (5th ed.) - Mar'inka: Cosmogenic Mn-53 is also similar to Sikhote-Alin values; it gives a terrestrial age of 10 m.y. Alekseev et al. conclude that Mar'inka cannot be a fossil meteorite, but is probably a fragment of Sikhote-Alin, while some details of its trace element chemistry differ from Sikhote-Alin (Met.Bull. 72, Meteoritics 27, 1992). SICREE A.A. et al. (1997) Potential for preservation and recovery of fossil iron meteorites from coal, trona, limestone and other sedimentary rocks (Meteoritics 32-4, 1997, A121): .. Lake Murray (Oklahoma), a IIB coarsest iron (10 mm) found in Cretaceous sandstone and the oldest known 'paleoiron' [Ref.: LaPaz L. (1953) Meteoritics 1, pp. 109-113]. KRING D.A. et al. (1998) Gold Basin Meteorite Strewn Field: The 'Fossil' remnants of an asteroid that catastrophically fragmented in Earth's atmosphere (Lunar and Planetary Science XXIX, in press, 1998). GOLD D.P. et al. (1999) A strategy for the search and recovery of fossil iron meteorites in sedimentary rocks (MAPS 34-4, 1999, A044). NORTON O.R. (1999) The Lake Murray octahedrite - a fossil meteorite (M! Nov. 1999, Vol. 5, No. 4, pp. 22-23). STEPNIEWSKI M. et al. (2000) Preliminary study of a new enstatite meteorite from Zaklodzie - southeast Poland (MAPS 35-5, 2000, Suppl., A152): ...According to the present results, Zaklodzie could be a fossil stone altered by weathering processes (W1/W2) and preserved in quaternary loess sediment ... HECK PH.R. et al. (2003) Evidence for the L-chondrite parent body breakup event? Cosmic-ray exposure ages of 480 Myr old fossil meteorites (MAPS 38-7, 2003, A044). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The large meteorite of 1859: anyone know if this has a grain of truth?
Was there a meteorite in this location, at that time? Best, Chris 1859 07 06 Coshocton Progressive Age [Ohio] July 6, 1859 Great Natural Phenomenon. From the Oswego Palladium. On Wednesday (yesterday) morning [June 29] the inhabitants of the towns of Boylston and Redfield, in this county, were startled by the occurrence of a most remarkable phenomenon -- the descent from the heavens of an immense meteoritic mass. The body struck the earth between the hours of three and four A.M., with a crash that was truly terrific, and the shock was sensibly felt and people aroused from their sleep at a distance of five miles from the scene. The body fell upon the farm of Horace Sanger, situated on the line of Boylston and Redfield, striking in a meadow and partially on the highway. It is estimated by our informant to cover half an acre of land. The earth was torn up in a terrible manner, and large fragments were thrown a distance of two-thirds of a mile. The mass is very irregular in shape, and rises at some points to sixty to eighty feet in height, and is supposed to be imbedded in the earth many feet. The surface generally has the appearance of iron ore. The excitement occasioned by the event among the inhabitants was intense, and the crash is said to have been terrific beyond description. Many supposed that the final winding up of terrestrial affairs had truly arrived. MR. HADLEY'S STATEMENT. I was awakened about three o'clock on Wednesday morning, by the room in which I slept being filled with light, and immediately heard a rushing sound like the coming of a great wind. This did not last above a few seconds after I was awake, when an explosion followed of which I can give no description -- it was terrific. The whole house shook as if a hundred cannon had been fired under the windows; quite a number of panes of glass were broken out of the windows, and the plastering of the room I was in came tumbling about me. The light, which was so brilliant that I could plainly see every object in the room, was at once extinguished. The window of my room is on the opposite side of the house from the place where the meteor fell, so that I can only judge of its direction. The light seemed to come from some body moving very rapidly and from south to north, and seemed to increase rapidly during the brief space that preceded the explosion. The aerolite struck the earth in some timber land belonging to Mr. Sanger, in a thinly inhabited portion of the town. We believe Mr. Hadley's is the nearest dwelling. It seems to have been an almost spherical body of, as near as we can judge from the fragments remaining, about seventy-five feet in diameter. Its course was from southwest to northeast, and descended at an angle of not more than thirty degrees from the horizon, which is proved by its track through the heavy hemlock trees before it touched the earth. The trees are cut through as a cannon ball would cut through a hedge, leaving a clear track. The velocity must have been immense. The earth is torn up for several rods, and the huge trees are splintered and piled up like brush. One large hemlock, at least four feet in diameter, near whose roots the meteor struck, was thrown bodily for eighty yards, crushing the surrounding trees like pipe stems. Fragments of a huge sandstone boulder which lay in its course were thrown in all directions, and one weighing half a ton was found on the road three-fourths of a mile away. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The large meteorite of 1859: anyone know if thishas a grain of truth?
Hi Sterling, Well, it wasn't because of the details but the date and place. I believe I have traced the folkloric development of this story over time, over the following thirty years in fact, until it became a UFO tale. But I wanted to know whether it had grown out of some actual fall report, as many of these stories did. Still, you've answered my question, I think! Cheers, Chris On 3/6/07, Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Chris You have to ask? An 80-foot high meteorite covering 0.5 acre (100' x 200')? Which was originally a 22 meter iron sphere? That object, at the slowest entry speed (12 km/s), gets you a 1 MegaTon (TNT) impact and a 1650-foot crater, 352 feet deep! I think SOMEBODY would have noticed. Coshocton, Ohio, just LOVES meteorite stories! Last one in 02-15-07, another in 2004. Mark Bostick's site shows old ones in 1939, 1930, 1925, 1916. Meteoric Tall Tales seem to a strong Coshocton tradition... Or at least a tradition of Coshocton newspapers, a proven circulation booster, perhaps? Maybe they're jealous of the New Concord meteorite in the next county over. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: chris aubeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:35 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] The large meteorite of 1859: anyone know if thishas a grain of truth? Was there a meteorite in this location, at that time? Best, Chris 1859 07 06 Coshocton Progressive Age [Ohio] July 6, 1859 Great Natural Phenomenon. From the Oswego Palladium. On Wednesday (yesterday) morning [June 29] the inhabitants of the towns of Boylston and Redfield, in this county, were startled by the occurrence of a most remarkable phenomenon -- the descent from the heavens of an immense meteoritic mass. The body struck the earth between the hours of three and four A.M., with a crash that was truly terrific, and the shock was sensibly felt and people aroused from their sleep at a distance of five miles from the scene. The body fell upon the farm of Horace Sanger, situated on the line of Boylston and Redfield, striking in a meadow and partially on the highway. It is estimated by our informant to cover half an acre of land. The earth was torn up in a terrible manner, and large fragments were thrown a distance of two-thirds of a mile. The mass is very irregular in shape, and rises at some points to sixty to eighty feet in height, and is supposed to be imbedded in the earth many feet. The surface generally has the appearance of iron ore. The excitement occasioned by the event among the inhabitants was intense, and the crash is said to have been terrific beyond description. Many supposed that the final winding up of terrestrial affairs had truly arrived. MR. HADLEY'S STATEMENT. I was awakened about three o'clock on Wednesday morning, by the room in which I slept being filled with light, and immediately heard a rushing sound like the coming of a great wind. This did not last above a few seconds after I was awake, when an explosion followed of which I can give no description -- it was terrific. The whole house shook as if a hundred cannon had been fired under the windows; quite a number of panes of glass were broken out of the windows, and the plastering of the room I was in came tumbling about me. The light, which was so brilliant that I could plainly see every object in the room, was at once extinguished. The window of my room is on the opposite side of the house from the place where the meteor fell, so that I can only judge of its direction. The light seemed to come from some body moving very rapidly and from south to north, and seemed to increase rapidly during the brief space that preceded the explosion. The aerolite struck the earth in some timber land belonging to Mr. Sanger, in a thinly inhabited portion of the town. We believe Mr. Hadley's is the nearest dwelling. It seems to have been an almost spherical body of, as near as we can judge from the fragments remaining, about seventy-five feet in diameter. Its course was from southwest to northeast, and descended at an angle of not more than thirty degrees from the horizon, which is proved by its track through the heavy hemlock trees before it touched the earth. The trees are cut through as a cannon ball would cut through a hedge, leaving a clear track. The velocity must have been immense. The earth is torn up for several rods, and the huge trees are splintered and piled up like brush. One large hemlock, at least four feet in diameter, near whose roots the meteor struck, was thrown bodily for eighty yards, crushing the surrounding trees like pipe stems. Fragments of a huge sandstone boulder which lay in its course were thrown in all directions, and one weighing half a ton was found on the road three-fourths of a mile
Re: [meteorite-list] 1900 era New York Times Meteor Wrong Articles
Hi Mark, A few years ago I spoke to descendants of the alleged witnesses in this case. Not surprisingly, they had never heard of it. I always check meteoritearticles.com for new items, especially the extravagant claims. Is it still updated? Best wishes, Chris Paper: The New York Times City: New York City, New York Date: Sunday, November 14, 1897 Page: 1 (of 24) MESSAGE PERHAPS FROM MARS. Strange Characters Found in an Aerolite Which Struck the Earth Near Binghamton. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteowrong anecdotes?
Hi list, I was wondering, have any of you been approached with any really absurd meteowrongs? It could be fun to collect some here. Regards, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD What is wrong with sharing...
If all product advertisements began with AD in the subject line, members could filter them into a separate email folder. I personally don't worry about such publicity as I accepted it would happen when I joined the list. Of course, my interest in meteorites is different (I have never knowingly touched a meteorite nor have any intention to buy one). Merry Xmas, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden
Hi list, I was just wondering whether, more than a year on, anyone had come across this story about a meteorite with fossilized remains inside. I have an ongoing project to collect these stories, and any weirder ones that emerge! Best wishes, Chris * Re: [meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden by chris aubeck Reply to author Reply to group Hi Göran! Ah, so it was one of those stories after all! It sounds a lot like the Italian article I translated and mentioned in my last post. A part of what I do is to follow these trends as they spread across Europe, it helps build up an idea of how people first became aware of the science that surrounded them. If ever you can recall the date of the account I'd be fascinated to know it and see how it fits into the general chronology of press reports of the period. Warm regards from Madrid, Chris On 9/6/05, Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, I haven't forget about you. I have tried to find the article again. It was publicised in a Swedish periodic called GFF, Geologiska Föreningen i Stockholms Annaler, but I haven't been able to locate the note I made about which issue it was in. Two months ago I tried to find it in the storage of the library only to find that they had removed it from the storage. 120 years of geological articles only three minutes from home gone... :-( The article in it self was about a meteorite that was observed to fall in Sweden and found in a field. If my memory doesn't fail me it was still hot when found, black on the outside and full of fossiles. Actually it turned out to be a bit of burned limestone and it was debunked either at the end of the article or in a later issue. I haven't given up on finding that article again but it will take me some more effort to find it again. I'll let you know if I find it. Thanks for the link to the fossile meteorites, I hadn't seen that article before. As a sidenote, I was on a mineral tour to Jämtland in 2002 and we visited Brunflo to collect fossiles. As we knew of the fossile meteorites found in that quarry my interest were towards the meteorites. Suddenly I found a rusty ball in a stone. No one had seen anything like that, but after the first excitement had died down we started to realise that it probably was a pyrite ball, not a meteorite. :-) /Göran chris aubeck wrote: Hi, Last year, on September 21st, I received a reply on this list from Göran Axelsson which ended, enigmatically: As a sidenote there were a meteorite found in sweden almost 100 years ago with fossiles in it. Anyone want to debunk that one? :-) /Göran I was seriously interested in seeing a copy of the original article, but unfortunately Mr. Axelsson didn't reply. Can anyone tell me anything about it? This is exactly what I collect and study. Best wishes, Chris __ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list On 9/6/05, Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, I haven't forget about you. I have tried to find the article again. It was publicised in a Swedish periodic called GFF, Geologiska Föreningen i Stockholms Annaler, but I haven't been able to locate the note I made about which issue it was in. Two months ago I tried to find it in the storage of the library only to find that they had removed it from the storage. 120 years of geological articles only three minutes from home gone... :-( The article in it self was about a meteorite that was observed to fall in Sweden and found in a field. If my memory doesn't fail me it was still hot when found, black on the outside and full of fossiles. Actually it turned out to be a bit of burned limestone and it was debunked either at the end of the article or in a later issue. I haven't given up on finding that article again but it will take me some more effort to find it again. I'll let you know if I find it. Thanks for the link to the fossile meteorites, I hadn't seen that article before. As a sidenote, I was on a mineral tour to Jämtland in 2002 and we visited Brunflo to collect fossiles. As we knew of the fossile meteorites found in that quarry my interest were towards the meteorites. Suddenly I found a rusty ball in a stone. No one had seen anything like that, but after the first excitement had died down we started to realise that it probably was a pyrite ball, not a meteorite. :-) /Göran chris aubeck wrote: Hi, Last year, on September 21st, I received a reply on this list from Göran Axelsson which ended, enigmatically: As a sidenote there were a meteorite found in sweden almost 100 years ago with fossiles in it. Anyone want to debunk that one? :-) /Göran I
[meteorite-list] Meteorite's mystery puts Bruce between a rock and a hard place.
I have no url for this article but I thought I'd share it here just in case it interested anyone. Chris From the Central Northern Burnett Times, 9.11.06 Meteorite's mystery puts Bruce between a rock and a hard place. Bruce Jamieson has brought to the attention of the Central Northern Burnett Times a 40 year-old mystery of a hard black rock, thought to be a meteorite, which could not be dug out at the time, and remains buried to this day. Mr Jamieson passed the Times on to one of the few men left alive who saw the mysterious black rock, Jack Byron. Mr Byron said the mysterious hard rock was found by a farmer, Arnold Schuurs, in the 1960's who had a swamp on his property that he wanted to build a little dam to retain water in dry times. When Mr Schuurs got someone with a small dozer to start to dig they came across this hard black rock that they could not break. He barely scratched it, Mr Byron said. The dozer driver backed out and went around to a different side of the swamp and again struck this hard rock leading to speculation that it was quite large, probably as big as a football field, according to Mr Byron. As it was only a small dozer, it was not buried very deeply, he said. He said at the time a geologist in the area identified it as a meteorite but no samples or tests were taken. At the time, Mr Schuurs swore to secrecy the small number of people, who knew about the mysterious meteorite, including Mr Byron, as he did not want people trampling all about his property. With the progress of time, Mr Byron, who now resides at Tannum Sands, is the only one close by who saw the black mass. There is one other man left, but he lives interstate, so Mr Byron, in his 80's, decided to tell his secret, so it would not die with him. The property where the mysterious black rock was found is about 7 km North of Monto on the Burnett highway, now owned by the Rogers family. Mr Jamieson, a Monto councillor, said the council made an attempt to find the mysterious rock, but could not find it. They placed a marker where they thought it might be. The swamp is now bone dry since the drought, and now would be an ideal time to dig and try to find it, said Mr Jamieson. He said if it was found, and if it was a meteorite, it could be of both scientific and tourism interest. Mr Jamieson said it could be a meterorite or a volcanic intrusion, but Monto's 40 year-old meteorite mystery is yet to be solved. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Which meteorite felll on November 29th 1820?
Hi, Greg has: Nov 29 1820, Cosenza; Ionian Isles ... ... ... lighted everything up; like daylight. Calabria. Arago says a shower of stones; other accounts, only a great meteor. No mention of any detonations. So I know such a case exists. Best, Chris On 8/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/3/2006 5:03:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi list, Does anyone happen to know about a meteorite that fell on November 29th 1820 in Italy? I found an article describing the fall in The Times of London from 1821, and there are a few scattered notes here and there (Greg, etc) but nothing specific. -- Only one Fall in 1820: Lixna, Latvia on July 12, 1820. (Meteorites from A to Z) And only 2 Falls on November 29th: Mount Vaisi in 1637, and Chajari in 1933. Are you sure you have the right date? and the right country? Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Which meteorite felll on November 29th 1820?
Hi list, Does anyone happen to know about a meteorite that fell on November 29th 1820 in Italy? I found an article describing the fall in The Times of London from 1821, and there are a few scattered notes here and there (Greg, etc) but nothing specific. Thanks, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tales of strange meteorites wanted
Hi Kevin, I collect stories about meteorites showing signs of workmanship or impossible properties, particularly. For example, in one from 1877 we read the following: A notable feature, at first sight, are the cracks and crags from which considerable pieces must have come loose: the whole mass is covered in a certain black enamel, from 3 to 9 ½ inches thick. The interior contains 5% graphitic carbon, magnetic iron sulphate, a magnesium and iron carbonate, which could be considered a kind of breu merite, an extremely rare substance; silica, talc, some complex minerals that are not to be found on earth, for example, Sheibirsite, which is a double phosphorus of iron and nickel, ammonium hydrochloride, a very volatile salt, whose presence in the aerolite proves that the candent state of the surface did not last a long time and that the heat did not penetrate to the interior of the mass, and this concords with the low conductivity of its composition, and finally it contained cesium and some alkaline silicates that we are not familiar with. At seven rods we have found ophite; at 15, granite. The stone was very hard and our boring progressed very slowy when suddenly the drill found a hollow and sank more than two rods. Surprised at this, we determined to widen the hole enough for us to be able to enter into the interior of the excavation and to do this more quickly we took on a laborer named Pedro Cerro. Six days passed before we were able to fulfill our wish. At last the moment came and Mr. John Paxton, Mr. Davis and I lowered ourselves into the depths of the mysterious hole. The place into which we descended was quadrangular and measured 2 ½ rods in each direction. After some seconds of exploration, Mr. Paxton let out a cry, saying Davis! What's the matter? came the answer. Look, look in this corner, and he pointed towards an object located on the walls. We approached and imagine our excitement when, on examining it, we realized what it was: …an amphora! I called to Jesús for him to pass us a pick and after working for a few minutes we were fortunate enough to have the precious and strange jar in our possession. This was a white metal amphora, roughly made (silver and zinc) and riddled with holes and with strange drawings on it. Too excited for words, we looked at each other unable to speak. At last, after these first moments and after each of us had given an opinion about the strange discovery, we set about examining the place very thoroughly again, hoping to find another object, but it was in vain. *** etc. Regards, Chris On 8/1/06, kevin decker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Chris..Mind Sharing these claim's/lore...etc.. on this subject?..I'm highly Interested...regards...Kevin Decker. From: chris aubeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Tales of strange meteorites wanted Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:39:04 +0200 Hi list, If anyone comes across any claims or anecdotes about meteorites with strange properties, bearing mysterious marks or containing strange artifacts, do let me know so I can add them to my archive of meteorite-related lore. Many thanks to those who have helped me in the past with this ongoing project. Kind regards, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] British Study Attempts to Calculate Odds ofBeing Hit By a Meteorite
Amazing how the words the only person known to have been hit by a meteorite are almost always followed by a name I've never read before. Sometimes the claims are about animals, not people, for which I assume the odds are higher. Whether this makes horse riders more likely targets is probably open to debate. :-) Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tales of strange meteorites wanted
Hi list, If anyone comes across any claims or anecdotes about meteorites with strange properties, bearing mysterious marks or containing strange artifacts, do let me know so I can add them to my archive of meteorite-related lore. Many thanks to those who have helped me in the past with this ongoing project. Kind regards, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Anyone heard of this meteorite fall from 1932?
It would be interesting to know where it fell. http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7911/1150/1600/UFO%20report%20from%201932.jpg Regards, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite from Namur, Belgium, 1896
Hi list, Does anyone know about a meteorite which fell in Lesves (50' 22 N - 4' 44 E), near Namur,in Belgium, on April 13th, 1896, at 7:30 pm? Apparentlya farmer's son was injured but survived. Asmall crater was found. The stone (olivine - hypersthene chondrite, subtype L6)), about 8cm x 20 cm, weighed 2kg. A 727g. piece isin the Museum of Natural History, in Brussels. www.spacepage.be/content/view/1326/53 www.meteorites4sale.net/MET_L.HTMwww.fieldmuseum.org/research_collections/geology/meteor_col.pdf I was wondering if there's any more information available on the story of the injured boy and the find. Regards, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Strange meteorite stories wanted
Hi list, If anyone comes across any tales or anecdotes about meteorites with strange properties, bearing mysterious marks or containing strange artifacts, do let me know so I can add them to my archive of meteorite-related lore. Many thanks to those who have helped me in the past. Kind regards, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: $20M vision meteorite
As I said to someone offlist, maybe the seller was deaf and God was forced to repeat himself, hence the two absolutelies. If so, this may explain a whole lot more - did the seller mishear Obey!!! for the name of an online auction site? Chris Aubeck On 4/1/06, Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely was also the second album by the British band Madness, released in 1980. Perhaps God prefers rock to ska and wanted to make this clear? Someone with taste at last! : ) Woody (Madness drummer) is a pal of mine from way back. Thanks for the entertaining comparison : ) Cheers, Geoff * Geoffrey Notkin Aerolite Meteorites P.O. Box 36652 Tucson, Arizona 85740 USA www.aerolite.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: $20M vision meteorite
Hi Rob, Absolutely is an adverb, not an adjective, and it can indeed be used as an exclamation to mean certainly! twice consecutively. Absolutely was also the second album by the British band Madness, released in 1980. Perhaps God prefers rock to ska and wanted to make this clear? Chris Aubeck On 3/31/06, Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I want it to be known that I am a God fearing man and attend church every Sunday so this is from the point of view of a cynical scientist. ebay item 6615436460 ' The big rock appeared suspended in the air; then a hand appeared holding an instrument that looked like a silver pen. The point of the pen gently touched the rock and a voice said, Absolutely! Absolutely! Then, as the hand drew away, I saw that clamped in the tip of the instrument (which I then realized was a silver drafting tool rather than a pen), was a tiny red ball. The meaning of the vision that was quickly revealed to me is that the word Absolutely, spoken twice, tells that the rock certainly is a meteorite.' I pesonally find it hard to believe that if God really did provide this vision, for One with total command of His creation, how is it possible for Him to have such a poor command of grammar? God's Report Card: Vision The adjective absolutely should not be used on its own and one of them redundant? D- Must try harder Apologies for my cynicism. They should at least have put in an option for best offer __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
re [meteorite-list] An unusual spam post
-- Forwarded message -- From: chris aubeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mar 12, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] An unusual spam post To: batkol [EMAIL PROTECTED] Software robots hunt and collect email addresses from webpages and then build directories from them. The messages from this list are even available as RSS, so we are an easy target, no doubt. Chris On 3/12/06, batkol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looks like someone went to the meteorite yellow pages on met. times or another like website and copied all the addresses. - Original Message - From: R. N. Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] An unusual spam post I received one of the typical Nigerian spam messages today ( wanting to place an order by cc.) but though this one was particularily interesting because of who it was directed to. It would be interesting to try to trace the origin of one like this in particular due to the sender's selection of recipients! Does anyone know of this sender? (Maybe it is a stolem address.) murphy cole [EMAIL PROTECTED][This is spam] Mark Unread To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 3/10/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What can be said about this meteorite from 1865?
Hi colleagues, I'm trying to finish a magazine article in record time. Could someone possibly briefly comment on this item? I am interested in what may have caused the markings, some kind of modern-day diagnosis. What else can be deduced about the object? Many thanks, Chris Samuel Haughton. On the meteoric stone that fell at Dundrum, County of Tipperary, on the 12th August, 1865. Proceedings of the Royal Irish Academy, 9, 336-41. The Meteoric Stone, that forms the subject of the present Paper, fell near Dundrum, county of Tipperary, under circumstances that were described to me as follows, by the man in whose garden it fell:-- Statement of eyewitness. I, John Johnson, of the parish of Clonoulty, near Cashel, county Tipperary, was walking across my potato garden, at the back of my house, in company with Michael Fahy and William Furlong, on the 12th of August, 1865, at seven p. m., when I heard a clap, like the shot out of a cannon, very quick, and not like thunder; this was followed by a buzzing noise, which continued for about a quarter of an hour, when it came over our heads; and on looking up, we saw an object falling down in a slanting direction. We were frightened at its speed, which was so great that we could scarcely notice it; but after it fell, we proceeded to look for it, and found it at a distance of forty yards, half buried in the ground, where it had struck the top of a potato drill. We were some time in looking for it (a longer time than that during which we had heard the noise). On taking up the stone, we found it warm, milk warm, but not hot enough to be inconvenient. The next day it was given up to Lord Hawarden. John Johnson. It was afterwards presented by Lord Hawarden to the Geological Museum of Trinity College, where it is publicly exhibited. The stone weighed 4lbs. 14½ oz. It is rudely pyramidal in form; the triangular base being a freshly broken surface, and the faces of the pyramid being covered by the usual black vitrified glaze. It is evidently a portion of a much larger stone; and as it appears from the foregoing statement that its vertical velocity was not great, it is probable that other pieces of the larger mass may yet be found in the neighbourhood of Dundrum. A singular feature is observable in this stone that I have never yet seen in any other:--the rounded edges of the pyramid are sharply marked by lines on the black crust, as perfect as if made by a ruler. This appearance is strictly confined to the surface, and seems to be a result of some peculiar tension of the fused crust in cooling; for no trace of any continuation of the lines can be found in the interior of the stone. On examination with the lens, specks of metallic iron and of magnetic pyrites are visible, and also a few minute grains of chrysolith; no other minerals can be detedted in the paste, which is of a dull grey, and of loose texture, almost like a porous sandstone; and the whole stone would attract little notice, were it not for its specific gravity, and the metallic particles visible in it. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What can be said about this meteorite from 1865?
Flow lines, thanks, that may be the word I was looking for! Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] July 24th 1960 - Meteorite in Lowe Eyre Peninsula?
Hi, I've come across this reference, does anyone know anything about this probable meteorite? 07-24-1960 A giant object, glowing like the sun and travelling at tremendous speed, exploded in the sea with a terrifying roar off Mt Drummond on Lower Eyre Peninsula on July 24 1960. About five minutes later, the previously quiet surf was heard twelve miles away roaring and pounding the shore. This was the story told by Mr. K. Ashman from his farm at Kapinnie. He said his house was shaken by the blast as percussion waves streaked inland. He said he saw the object, glowing like the sun and streaking across his property from NE and SW trailing a brilliant white light a minute or two after sundown. 'It was difficult to estimate accurately the height at which the object passed, because it was travelling at times through cloud,' he told reporters, 'It was also hard to estimate its size because of its bright light.' However, Mr. Ashman estimated that the object crashed into the sea fifty miles out to sea and about seventy miles from his farm. He said it was difficult to judge just how loud the explosion was because accompanying shock waves had affected his ears. 'We can hear the sea when it is rough from the house, but it was a calm sea just before the explosion. However, after the explosion we could hear the sea roaring. It lasted for about thirty seconds...' This reference: UFOs Over the Southern Hemisphere, by Michael Hervey, p. 170-171, (c) 1975 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Stones From The Stars: The UnsolvedMysteries of Meteorites - quick question
Hi list, I haven't seen this book yet. Can you tell me whether the author claims any of the meteorites have weird properties? This is the folklore I'm studying. Thanks, Chris On 11/18/05, Charles O'Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to admit that I can thank good old Erich Von Daniken for initiating me into the realm of the skeptic. I fell for his Chariots of the Gods nonsense hook line and sinker, and I was just beginning my engineering career. What changed my opinion? An article in (of all things) Playboy Mag. Playboy hired the then (almost) unknown Timothy Ferris to interview Eric for the Playboy Interview column. Timothy virtually exposed all of Eric's wacko ideas and his lack of empirical evidence (Eric actually made up most of it up). I was astonished that I could have fallen for stuff like that. Thus began my sub-career as a skeptic and my requirement for empirical evidence of claims. And I still read Playboy for its scientific articles. Chuck Meeting Chair Ottawa RASC http://www.ottawa.rasc.ca/astronomy/earth_craters/index.html - Original Message - From: Axel Emmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Stones From The Stars: The UnsolvedMysteries of Meteorites Oh yes! That gave me flashback... wow... still dizzy from it ;-))) Back in the fifties to late sixties there was several hypes created around some books that were written by pseudo-scientists like Immanuel Velikovsky or even a reporter named Erich Von Daniken. snip __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites carved by the Inca?
I search for reports of ancient engraved meteorites all the time and the article about Mandibles' collection was news to me. Maybe they were Ica stones after all. As usual, the story makes me wonder (1) how the Incas knew they were meteorites and (2) whether the collection owner really knew if they were meteorites. Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] social circle, ga info
Harlan, Gmail has 2650 MB of free storage, why not give it a spin? I'm sending an invite. Chris i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mineralosko-Petrografski Muzej question
Also, is hondrit a translation for chondrite, or just a typo? Not a typo. http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=gmailq=hondritsa=Ntab=wi Does anyone have any information about a museum called the Mineralosko-Petrografski Muzej? The MINERALOSKO-PETROGRAFSKI MUZEJ is in fact the Natural History Museum of Zagreb. They have the same address. ul Demetrova 1 , Zagreb , 1 , Croatia Best, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fall in Bergamo, Italy, in October 1884?
According to the November 13th-14th 1884 issue of L'Eco di Bergamo a loud explosion had been heard in the sky over Bergamo just after 11:00am on October 24th. When a group of peasants said that they had observed a red fireball on the same day both this and the explosion were immediately assumed to have been caused by the same meteoric phenomenon. Later articles said people were looking for the artifact, which may have fallen in Sorisole. Was it found? Can fragments be bought? Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Black stone of Paphos
Would make a nice addition to any meteorite collection. Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC What, you plan to steal the Aphrodite stone?? :-) Seriously, I'd love to hear of your findings and maybe see another photo of it. I'm not even sure how big it is supposed to be. Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fall in Bergamo, Italy, in October 1884?
Hi Matteo, That's great, maybe we'll find something new. I heard about it because after it was published someone claimed it contained fossils of some kind. Later this was said to be a joke, but the fall itself was genuine. Today the only mention is in stupid possible UFO crash lists because of the fossils but, as I said, the event was real. Thanks, Chris On 10/2/05, M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I not have any information of this fall. I have just write now to municipality of Sorisole for ask informations and now I see what answer. Matteo --- chris aubeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: According to the November 13th-14th 1884 issue of L'Eco di Bergamo a loud explosion had been heard in the sky over Bergamo just after 11:00am on October 24th. When a group of peasants said that they had observed a red fireball on the same day both this and the explosion were immediately assumed to have been caused by the same meteoric phenomenon. Later articles said people were looking for the artifact, which may have fallen in Sorisole. Was it found? Can fragments be bought? Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fall in Bergamo, Italy, in October 1884?
Hi Matteo, The date could not have been December 13th 1884 as the article describing it was dated November 13th. On December 9th and 10th follow-ups were printed, and this is where the hoax story began, I think. The Gazzetta de Bergamo commented on the 15th of December that only God knew when the artefact would be found… Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Black stone of Paphos
Hello, Does anyone know whether the black stone of Paphos, the stone once worshipped as Aphrodite, is truly a meteorite? I am looking for a text in the classics describing the fall, but I thought I'd ask about it here, first. Thanks, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Re-2: [meteorite-list] Black stone of Paphos
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/islam2.html#conception Sacred black stone, this one the goddess Aphrodite from Paphos, Cyprus. Worshiped as early as the 12th century BC. I see, yes. Odd how there aren't any more photos of it online. I guess it had an interesting first day on Earth. For someone to have seen it land and make a positive identification they must have been pretty close or knew the terrain where it landed very well. Or maybe it just came down where black rocks were unknown. I may write to the museum. Regards, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Black stone of Paphos
That's a useful quote, I can use this! How would you say they probably identified the stone as the meteorite they saw fall, considering the problems such identifications usually cause? It makes me wonder whether baetyls which were not meteorites were actually meteowrongs, discovered after a genuine sighting. Thanks again, Chris On 01 Oct 2005 21:28:45 UT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Chris, Sterling, Martin A., and List, In Burke's Cosmic Debris you also find a few lines about the Paphos meteorite: There were three temples of Aphrodite (Venus) in Asia Minor that were connected to a meteorite: the first was at Aphaca, a sacred place not far from Byblos, where the second was located, and the third was at Paphos on the nearby island of Cyprus. Aphaca was sacred because Aphrodite Urania fell at the place as 'fire from a star'. Aphrodite, both at Byblos and Paphos, was represented by an omphalos - that is, by an elongated cone within a temple of two columns (fig. 35b). BURKE J.G. (1986) Cosmic Debris, Meteorites in History, p. 221. Good night, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Article describing meteorite fall in Jamaica in the year 1700
Hi, There's a little more detail but nothing that would lead to a find, I expect. I will send you a copy of the original 18th c. article in a pdf later today. Best, Chris On 9/27/05, McCartney Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very interesting. Is there more detail? -- McCartneyTaylor, President BlackbeardData Services,LLC 800/ 762 3057 5114Balcones Woods Dr, PMB 307-288 Austin,TX 78759 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Article describing meteorite fall in Jamaica in the year 1700
Dear list, After my recent request for information regarding a possible meteorite fall in 1862, I found one report which apparently has not been collected elsewhere. Source: Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society XXX, No. 357, July-September 1718, pp. 837-838. Article: A letter of the curious naturalist Mr. Henry Barham, R. S. S., to the publisher, giving a relation of a fiery meteor seen by him, in Jamaica, to strike the Earth... Barham describes his observation of a falling fireball in the year 1700, about three miles north-west from St. Fago de la Vega. He approaches a group of people south of the savanna who are admiring the recently broken ground where they have seen a fireball come down. Several deep holes, smell of sulphur, etc. I just thought someone might be interested. Best, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New meteorite blog, Meteorite Hunters
I came across this during my research. Check it out. http://www.meteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New meteorite blog, Meteorite Hunters
Rephrasing your question I understand you're asking Are you the moderator of this most despicable website... but not to worry. It's not me, my approach to the fields I am exploring is somewhat less trivial. I am also not a meteorite dealer or even a specialist in the material. As far as I know have never even touched a rock from space. In fact I was told of the webpage by a colleague on this list while I was searching for information on the social impact and mythology of meteorite falls. It served its purpose, and now I'm just passing on the message. If you sue the moderator, the book I'm writing will suddenly get much more interesting, so please do as you feel is right. Best, Chris On 9/26/05, moni Waiblinger-Seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, What kind of research are you doing? This is the most despicable web site I ever saw! I wish I could sue the person who put it up! I am sure there are others who feel the same way! I can't believe its starting over. Its funny that you found it the day it started over, isn't it? And then you posted it about the same time. Are you by any chance the moderator? Just wondering, Moni http://meteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2005/09/karimnagar-fall.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite on August 10th, 1862, in Jamaica?
Hi list, I just need to confirm whether any such fall was registered on this date or thereabouts in Jamaica, to finish an article. Does anyone have a record for one? Thanks and regards, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite on August 10th, 1862, in Jamaica?
Hi Anne, Thanks for that! Yes, I see I need to invest in a few reference works now I've entered the field. Can I ask you for one more favour? Can you give me something I can use as a bibliographical reference for the 1885 report (page number etc)? Absolutely no hurry. Thanks again, Chris No there is not. The only Jamaican meteorite known is Lucky Hill, found in 1885. (you really need to get a copy of Meteorites from A to Z);-) Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite on August 10th, 1862, in Jamaica?
Dear Bernd, That makes a lot of sense! As part of my historical/folkloric study I am writing about a meteorite that allegedly fell on that date near Kingston, Jamaica. The earliest reference to it is from 1874 - a very imaginative account, but in my experience the dates are generally chosen for a reason. In this case the writer was a German scientist writing about astronomy, so I guess he knew something I didn't. Thanks again, Chris. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Meteorite on August 10th, 1862, in Jamaica?
No, August Nathaniel Bohner (1809 - 1892), scientist and theologist. The book I'm using has chapters on volcanoes, meteorites and the seasons of Mars. I'd tell you more about his weird meteorite tale but you'd just think it's silly! Regards, Chris On 18 Sep 2005 20:23:49 UT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris wrote: The earliest reference to it is from 1874 - a very imaginative account, but in my experience the dates are generally chosen for a reason. In this case the writer was a German scientist writing about astronomy, so I guess he knew something I didn't. 1874 ... sounds like Rose or Tschermak ?!? Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Kingston, Jamaica - a meteorite fall and a scientific association?
Dear list, I have spent some weeks trying to locate information about a supposed meteorite fall at 11:30pm on August 10th 1862 in Kingston, Jamaica. The Kingston libraries and university have not replied to any of my e-mails. All I have is note dated 1874 saying details can be found in an article written by one Dr. Hopkins in The Proceedings of the Kingston Association XII, 1862. No search has produced information about this journal to date (Library of Congress and online Kingston University catalogues included). Does anyone know how I can verify this, if the national library and university do not answer my mails? I have access to no meteorite catalogues. Thanks in advance, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: meteorites, stone axes, and Hounds of Heaven
Hi Dirk, Big thanks for this reference, it serves me well! In fact I am interested in the mention of the thunder-god`s ink block particularly. I wonder whether this has any connection with the dragon eggs (which I have always considered very meteorite-like) that, in traditional belief, provided ink for a hundred years, up to the time when the dragon burst out? I recall de Visser wrote about this, but as I have to rush out I can't look it up till tonight. Fascinating. Chris On 9/14/05, drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List and Chris, Todays research results from ancient Chinese literature: Ref: Needham, Vol.III, 20. Astronomy, pg. 434 Meteorites had many other names in Chinese books besides the yun already mentioned, or yun-shih. Further information is contained in a valuable chapter by Chang Hung-Chao, who points out that one of the oldest names must be that contained in the Shan Hai Ching (Ch. 16), namely thien Chhuan, `hounds of heaven`. He also notes that meteorites were often confused (as in other civilisations) with stone axes of the Neolithic period. There is a reference to this in the Chiu Thang Shu (Old History of the Thang Dynasty), where, about +660, a meteorite presented to the emperor was called `the stone axe of the thunder-god` (Lei Kung Shih Fu). Other names were `the thunder-god`s ink block@ (lei mo) or `thunder-lumps` (phi li chen), and it is these which formed the headings under which Li Shen-Chen in th +16th century treated meteorites in his Pen Tshao Kang Mu. Best, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 1848: light produced when meteorite sawn-possible or...
Another explanation might be that the report was translated into English by someone who wasn't entirely sure about the word for spark in the original language. I think it's a good exercise to discuss these old reports as well as catalogue them, so thanks for the input! Chris On 9/13/05, Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, keep in mind this was written by somebody who was astonished that the meteorite didn't light the house on fire (something that should have been understood even in 1848). And the description of the exposed straw is a bit odd- it sounds like they are just seeing normal straw with unweathered surfaces exposed. So my take on what is being described during the cutting is that some sparks were flying- perfectly believable depending on what the saw was made of and how it was lubricated. I've thrown sparks when cutting stone. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 1848: light produced when meteorite sawn-possible or... Hiho, I have problems in understanding: In sawing the mass, globules were inflamed by the friction of the teeth of the saw, and a bright light produced. What for globules? Globules inside Braunau? In ignoring globules I'd say, that one never sees, while cutting, what is going on inside the piece, until the pieces finally are separated. Perhaps they meant only the sparks, which are caused by cutting iron. Thanks, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The metal is ground to powder, then mixed with flour
I was just wondering, how would people have ground meteoric metal to a powder in 1888? Chris Michigan | Saint Joseph | St Joseph Herald | 1888-12-01 The Walloons of Belgium are about tho most superstitious people in the world. Ono of their beliefs is that an aerolite is an infallible means of discovering a thief. The metal is ground to powder, then mixed with flour, and mado into bread. A thief can not swallow an otom of the aerolite bread, and his attempt to do so at once exposes him; that is to say, the Walloons believe it will expose him. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: five-pointed stars vs six-pointed stars
[Oops, our mails crossed simultaneously - mine offlist to you and yours on the list saying the same basic thing. For the record, though, the supposition that the direction a pentagram points means anything particular is erroneous. I looked into this topic last year when I began studying shields and regional symbols in Spain where stars often appear - Chris] Hi, I don't think the pentagram symbol necessarily depicted a star in all cultures. We're just so used to associating it with stars that it's hard for us to relate it to anything else. The Greeks visualised the human body as having five points (head, hands and feet), which came to represent the five elements of man. Pentagrams entered Christianity from this tradition, long before the sign was linked with popular occultism. This doesn't mean that no ancient culture used pentagrams to represent the stars in the night sky, but star of witchcraft and Satanism was not originally supposed to depict a heavenly body. So I'd say this invalidates your first question just a little, about whether the choice between six or five pointed stars was a meaningful one. Best, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Chinese Witnessed Meteorite Fall and Recovery 1064AD....Meteorites Hot or Cold?
Hi Dirk, What's the reference for that one? I find the fact that the same erroneous ideas were attached to meteorites in 11th century China as in 19th century America very interesting. Best, Chris On 9/12/05, drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List: I am reviewing some notes that I have made from Chinese ancient literature. This is the best documented fall in ancient times in China: In the 1st year of the Chih-Phing reign period (1064 AD), there was a tremendous noise like thunder at Chhang-Chou about noon. A fiery star as big as the moon appeared in the south-east. In a moment there was a further thunderclap while the star moved to the south-west, and then with more thunder it fell in the garden of the Hsu family in the I-hsing district. Fire was seen reflected in the sky far and near, and fences in the garden round were all burnt. When they had extinguished, a bowl-shaped hole was seen in the ground, with the meteorite glowing from within it for a long time. Even when the glow ceased it was too hot to be approached. Finally the earth was dug up, and a round stone as big as a fist, still hot, was found, with one side elongated (i.e. pear shaped). Its colour and weight were like iron. The governor, Cheng Shen, sent it to the Chin Shan temple at Jun-Chou, where it it is still kept in a box and shown to visitors. (There is no evidence that this meteorite exists yet today.) Reference: Meng Chhi Pi Than written by Shen Kua There is also written evidence that the oldest Chinese witnessed fall was in 662BC in China. Best, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 1848: light produced when meteorite sawn - possible or impossible?
Ohio | Sandusky | The Sandusky Clarion | 1848-01-25 A REMARKABLE AEROLITE. On the 14th July last, a remarkable aerolite fell at Brannan, at Bohemia. Two fragments were found, one weighing fifteen, the other twenty-one kilogrammes. The aeorilite [sic] appeared to proceed, as is very often the case, from a small black cloud. The smaller fragment fell upon a house, pierced the roof, struck a beam which caused it lo deviate slightly from its course, passed through a ceiling composed of white clay and straw, and entered a room where several persons were assembled, but fortunately, noone was hurt. A circumstance worthy of remark was, that the straw of the ceiling traversed by the meteor was not in the least carbonized: it only appeared of a brighter yellow, with semi-metalic lustre; pieces of straw even adhering to the stone, presented no trace of carbonization. A fragment has been analysed by M. Fischer, of Breslau, who found in it, besides sulphuretted iron, carbon, phosphorus and bromine. In sawing the mass, globules were inflamed by the friction of the teeth of the saw, and a bright light produced. Literary Gazette. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden
Hi Sterling, Thanks for this information, I find it interesting and useful for my own studies. However, I do not expect it to be the fossil story original mentioned by Göram. Not because I know much about sedimentary meteorite falls, but because I know a thing or two about alleged fossil-bearing spacerocks from the 19th century press. It would surprise me if Swedish newspapers didn't publish a report about a meteorite that remained hot for an impossibly long time and contained organic fossils, simply because that was the fashion at the time. Best wishes, Chris On 9/7/05, Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, You're probably referring to: BLECKENSTAD, Ostergotland, Sweden, April 11, 1925 A meteor was observed, leaving a trail of smoke. Stones are said to have fallen, and fragments of a white, porous limestone were picked up, differing from the local rocks. The possibly meteoritic nature of this material has been the subject of considerable discussion, N. Zenzen (1942, 1943); A. Hadding (1943); F.C. Cross (1947). Pseudometeorite, F.E. Wickman A. Uddenberg-Anderson (1982). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Trying to get The Fiery Snake of Tsarev
Thanks for the advice, Geoff! Chris The Fiery Snake of Tsarev. Authors: Gallant, A. R. Dear Chris: The old issues of Meteorite magazine are quite difficult to come by. Roy Gallant's Tsarev article was reprinted in his book Meteorite Hunter: The Search for Siberian Meteorite Craters (pgs. 145 - 164), McGraw-Hill, 2002. This great book is quite easy to obtain through the usual used, out-of-stock, OOP book resources. There was a post made within the last month by a List member who found new copies of this book for $5.95, I believe. Check the archives for details, but I think the seller mentioned was Edward Hamilton: http://www.edwardrhamilton.com Good luck, Geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden
Hi, Last year, on September 21st, I received a reply on this list from Göran Axelsson which ended, enigmatically: As a sidenote there were a meteorite found in sweden almost 100 years ago with fossiles in it. Anyone want to debunk that one? :-) /Göran I was seriously interested in seeing a copy of the original article, but unfortunately Mr. Axelsson didn't reply. Can anyone tell me anything about it? This is exactly what I collect and study. Best wishes, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] re Swedish meteorite story fossils from 100 years ago
I think he was talking about the fossil meteorites Brunflo, Osterplana and others found in Sweden rather than fossils in meteorites. Look here: http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Mar04/fossilMeteorites.html Best regards, Jörn Hi Jörn, I did wonder whether that was the case as a Google search produced nothing else, but have a look at my notes below about an Italian report from 1884. When Göran used the word debunk it did, and does, sound as if he was referring to something else. Many thanks, Chris ** In its November 13th-14th 1884 issue (no. 262), L'Eco di Bergamo reported that a loud explosion had been heard in the sky over Bergamo just after 11:00am on October 24th. When a group of peasants said that they had observed a red fireball on the same day both this and the explosion were immediately assumed to have been caused by the same meteoric phenomenon. The newspaper article, entitled Lo scoppio di un bolide, was written by a naturalist called Ferruccio Biazzi. In the report Biazzi expressed his opinion that aerolites bring with them traces of primitive flora and fauna similar to those of earth. No doubt this gave people reason to expect that the discovery of the object or objects was going to be a dramatic affair, especially as the meteorites are said to have (and are certain to have) fallen in the Bazerem Valley, or adjacent to it, after the explosion, and they have yet to be recovered. Biazzi ended his article with the comment that Dr. O. Hahn of Tübingen, in studying the intimate structure of meteorites, had been able to demonstrate that they are composed almost exclusively of fossil organisms, and that Dr. O. F. Weinland had catalogued some fifty species of polyps and algae in them. (These two scientists' books are in the list given above.) If the meteorites are found, he concluded, I will find out what the devil they contain and communicate it to you. In issue 283 of the same newspaper, that is, in its December 9th-10th edition, another brief news item was published concerning the bolides. It reported that a shapeless black mass some 2.74 metres in diameter had been found by a group of scientists and students. The object was apparently a mere fragment of a larger spherical shape. The finding has already been communicated to various [scientific] organizations because it is wished that it should be studied…It seems to be a highly important specimen because it also contains some curious fossils. The item ended by saying that Mr. Biazzi would doubtlessly like to know more and inform the readers of the latest developments as soon as possible. The news sounded very exciting; many believed it could lead to a scientific breakthrough. However, two days later, in its 285th issue, dated December 11-12th, L'Eco di Bergamo was forced to admit that it had been the victim of a hoax. Biazzi had written to them to set the matter straight: there had been no group of scientists, no find and certainly no extraterrestrial fossils. Another newspaper, La Gazetta di Bergamo, published the same hoax report on December 11th, printing Ferruccio Biazzi's rebuttal the following day. On the 15th of December it mentioned the bolide story again, but just to point out that the original event had actually occurred as reported, though only God knew when the artefact would be found… __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden
Hi Göran! Ah, so it was one of those stories after all! It sounds a lot like the Italian article I translated and mentioned in my last post. A part of what I do is to follow these trends as they spread across Europe, it helps build up an idea of how people first became aware of the science that surrounded them. If ever you can recall the date of the account I'd be fascinated to know it and see how it fits into the general chronology of press reports of the period. Warm regards from Madrid, Chris On 9/6/05, Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, I haven't forget about you. I have tried to find the article again. It was publicised in a Swedish periodic called GFF, Geologiska Föreningen i Stockholms Annaler, but I haven't been able to locate the note I made about which issue it was in. Two months ago I tried to find it in the storage of the library only to find that they had removed it from the storage. 120 years of geological articles only three minutes from home gone... :-( The article in it self was about a meteorite that was observed to fall in Sweden and found in a field. If my memory doesn't fail me it was still hot when found, black on the outside and full of fossiles. Actually it turned out to be a bit of burned limestone and it was debunked either at the end of the article or in a later issue. I haven't given up on finding that article again but it will take me some more effort to find it again. I'll let you know if I find it. Thanks for the link to the fossile meteorites, I hadn't seen that article before. As a sidenote, I was on a mineral tour to Jämtland in 2002 and we visited Brunflo to collect fossiles. As we knew of the fossile meteorites found in that quarry my interest were towards the meteorites. Suddenly I found a rusty ball in a stone. No one had seen anything like that, but after the first excitement had died down we started to realise that it probably was a pyrite ball, not a meteorite. :-) /Göran chris aubeck wrote: Hi, Last year, on September 21st, I received a reply on this list from Göran Axelsson which ended, enigmatically: As a sidenote there were a meteorite found in sweden almost 100 years ago with fossiles in it. Anyone want to debunk that one? :-) /Göran I was seriously interested in seeing a copy of the original article, but unfortunately Mr. Axelsson didn't reply. Can anyone tell me anything about it? This is exactly what I collect and study. Best wishes, Chris __ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list On 9/6/05, Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, I haven't forget about you. I have tried to find the article again. It was publicised in a Swedish periodic called GFF, Geologiska Föreningen i Stockholms Annaler, but I haven't been able to locate the note I made about which issue it was in. Two months ago I tried to find it in the storage of the library only to find that they had removed it from the storage. 120 years of geological articles only three minutes from home gone... :-( The article in it self was about a meteorite that was observed to fall in Sweden and found in a field. If my memory doesn't fail me it was still hot when found, black on the outside and full of fossiles. Actually it turned out to be a bit of burned limestone and it was debunked either at the end of the article or in a later issue. I haven't given up on finding that article again but it will take me some more effort to find it again. I'll let you know if I find it. Thanks for the link to the fossile meteorites, I hadn't seen that article before. As a sidenote, I was on a mineral tour to Jämtland in 2002 and we visited Brunflo to collect fossiles. As we knew of the fossile meteorites found in that quarry my interest were towards the meteorites. Suddenly I found a rusty ball in a stone. No one had seen anything like that, but after the first excitement had died down we started to realise that it probably was a pyrite ball, not a meteorite. :-) /Göran chris aubeck wrote: Hi, Last year, on September 21st, I received a reply on this list from Göran Axelsson which ended, enigmatically: As a sidenote there were a meteorite found in sweden almost 100 years ago with fossiles in it. Anyone want to debunk that one? :-) /Göran I was seriously interested in seeing a copy of the original article, but unfortunately Mr. Axelsson didn't reply. Can anyone tell me anything about it? This is exactly what I collect and study. Best wishes, Chris __ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite
[meteorite-list] Looking for Cosmic Debris
Hi, I'm looking to buy a copy of Cosmic Debris: Meteorites in History for less that $60. Impossible? Possibly, but my situation forces me to try. Any beat-up, coffee-stained, blood-stained copy would be gratefully considered. Please contact me at this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many thanks, Chris ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Trying to get The Fiery Snake of Tsarev
Hello, Can anyone help me get a quick scan or photocopy of this article? The Fiery Snake of Tsarev. Authors: Gallant, A. R. Journal: Meteorite, Vol. 5, p. 8-11 (1999). I'd pay any costs incurred, of course. Thank you, Chris ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Trying to get The Fiery Snake of Tsarev - note
NOTE: If you can help, please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] How can I change my list membership to this address? I tried through the webpage but it hasn't helped. Hello, Can anyone help me get a quick scan or photocopy of this article? The Fiery Snake of Tsarev. Authors: Gallant, A. R. Journal: Meteorite, Vol. 5, p. 8-11 (1999). I'd pay any costs incurred, of course. Thank you, Chris ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Searching for unusual meteorite stories
Hi Martin, Yes, that sounds exactly like what I was seeking, a shame it's no longer available. Can you tell me something about Burke's book Cosmic Debris? I am currently in the middle of Spain and don't have access to a library. And please CC me to [EMAIL PROTECTED], as I've abandoned this Yahoo account now and can't seem to transfer my membership to this list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many thanks! Chris Martin H. planetwhy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 13:00:59 EDT 2005 Hi Chris, There are plenty of tall tales in when meteorites are involved. In particular, the Tsarev meteorite might be one to consider. There used to be a good page online, but I cannot get it to work right now. In the November 1999 issue of Meteorite magazine, Roy Gallant wrote about in his story The Fiery Snake of Tsarev. I have some info from the article in my Accretion Desk article that can be found at: http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2005/march/Accretion_Desk.htm Also, there are wonderful stories embedded within Burke's book Cosmic Debris. Cheers, Martin --- chris aubeck caubeck at yahoo.com wrote: Dear list, I am compiling a catalogue of tall meteorite tales, everything from meteorites which come with messages inscribed on them to rocks from the sky that open and reveal Martian mummies inside, or toads! I have also collected articles claiming aerolites are skulls and that Earth's fossils were moon creatures caught up in lunar whirlwinds... If anyone can has come across any tales of this kind I would very much appreciate a reply at caubeck at gmail.com I'm currently changing my list address from Yahoo to Gmail but it takes a couple of days. Many thanks, Chris Aubeck c/Mayor 51, 3 B, Madrid 28013 Spain 2003-2004 Archives and links http://anomalies.bravepages.com/main.htm 2004-present Archives at the Yahoo Group Website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/magonia_exchange/ Other pages of interest: http://caubeck.tripod.com/lang/ http://caubeck.tripod.com/the_sport_of_flying_saucers/index.html http://caubeck.tripod.com/ Chris Aubeck C / Mayor 51, 3 B, 28013 Madrid Spain ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Searching for unusual meteorite stories, can you help?
Dear list, I am compiling a catalogue of tall meteorite tales, everything from meteorites which come with messages inscribed on them to rocks from the sky that open and reveal Martian mummies inside, or toads! I have also collected articles claiming aerolites are skulls and that Earth's fossils were moon creatures caught up in lunar whirlwinds... If anyone can has come across any tales of this kind I would very much appreciate a reply at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm currently changing my list address from Yahoo to Gmail but it takes a couple of days. Many thanks, Chris Aubeck c/Mayor 51, 3 B, Madrid 28013 Spain ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 1864: fiction or fact? help!
Dear list, I would very much like to know how much of the following may be based on scientific procedure and observation, and whether as a whole it makes any sense at all. I found the text in an article dated originally to 1864 and have translated it to the best of my ability from Spanish (in which I'm fluent, but this was very technical). It was published in Argentina. As usual with this kind of thing, I don't know where to turn, except to the experienced guys on this list. I'll be doing the internet equivalent of sitting glued to the screen hoping someone can enlighten me! Very best, Chris * I came across a great black rock, ovoid in shape and measuring around 30 rods in diameter in its widest part by 45 rods in length. I was quite astonished on seeing such a large, isolated stone, in the middle of the plains; what caught my attention above all was its dark and vitrified appearance at first sight. I examined it thoroughly and shortly I had no doubt, I was standing before an aerolite but few of such enormity have been found to date. Enthused by my discovery I telegraphed Mr. Smith (a geologist and a friend of mine who was then in Córdoba on the way to the mountains) to come and examine this curious piece of planetary matter. This he did and a few days later my friend Mr. Smith, Mr. Jones and I went off to investigate the aerolite scientifically. On the afternoon of the same day we began to bore a hole into it to analyze the diverse materials of which its interior was composed, and for this purpose we employed an Argentine laborer named Jesús Villegas. A notable feature, at first sight, are the cracks and crags from which considerable pieces must have come loose: the whole mass is covered in a certain black enamel, from 3 to 9 ½ inches thick. The interior contains 5% graphitic carbon, magnetic iron sulphate, a magnesium and iron carbonate, which could be considered a kind of breu merite, an extremely rare substance; silica, talc, some complex minerals that are not to be found on earth, for example, Sheibirsite, which is a double phosphorus of iron and nickel, ammonium hydrochloride, a very volatile salt, whose presence in the aerolite proves that the candent state of the surface did not last a long time and that the heat did not penetrate to the interior of the mass, and this concords with the low conductivity of its composition, and finally it contained cesium and some alkaline silicates that we are not familiar with. At seven rods we have found ophite; at 15, granite. The stone was very hard and our boring progressed very slowly. ** = http://embark.to/magonia C / Mayor 51, 3 B, 28013 Madrid Spain Tel: 600376311 (with image capabilities) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 1864: fiction or fact? help!
Hi again, Thank you for your comments about this report! That it's fiction, in fact a hoax, I don't doubt at all. In fact, it emerged some 11 times between 1864 and 1900 in different newspapers and in different languages. This is actually the reason I was curious about the science behind the fiction. The meteorite was far too large to be real, but were the references to its physical composition total nonsense? As I wish to present this story as a stage in the development of meteorite-related myths and misidentifications through history, as part of a report with wholly educational aims, it would be interesting to know whether a scientist working in the mid-19th century would have spotted this fake immediately, and how. Also, how big would the crater of such a large meteorite be? Is there a way to estimate it? If anyone on the list comes across any similarly weird reports (inscribed aerolites, hollow meteorites, fossil-bearing ones, etc.) I would very much like to add them to my study. Folklore of this kind has so rarely been examined. As requested, the text in Spanish can be found below (it first appeared in French). Many thanks, Chris * Son notables, a primera vista las rajaduras y asperezas de las cuales han debido desprenderse pedazos considerables: la masa entera está cubierta por cierto esmalte negro, desde 3 hasta 9 ½ pulgadas de espesor. El interior contiene 5% de carbón al estado de grafito, sulfuro de hierro magnético, un carbonato de magnesia y de hierro, el cual puede considerarse como una variedad de breu merite, sustancia ésta extremadamente escasa; sílice, talco, algunos minerales complejos que no se encuentran en el tierra, por ejemplo la Sheibirsite, que es un fosfuro doble de hierro y níquel, clorito de amoníaco, sal muy volátil, su presencia en el aerolito es una prueba que el estado candente de la superficie no ha durado largo tiempo y que el calor no ha penetrado hasta el interior de la masa y esto es en concordancia con la poca conductividad de su composición y por fin contenía Cesio y algunos silicatos alcalinos que nos son desconocidos. A siete varas hemos encontrado el Ofito, a 15 el Granito. La piedra era muy dura para agujerear y adelantábamos muy despacito ** --- JKG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this story to be quite entertaining and think it would sound very convincing to a person who lacked the basic understanding of meteorites. The overall language of the article coupled with the use of geological and chemical terminology sets it in a class above the usual fictitious accounts. However, anyone who has studied meteorites on even the most basic level (Meteoritics 101 and lower) would know that this rock measuring 495 X 742.5 feet could not be a meteorite. The mass is sufficient large (several time over, actually) that the earths atmosphere would have no effect on slowing it's entry speed. If the meteor didn't break up during entry for some reason it would have vaporized on impact; no large pieces of it would remain and there would be a crater of tremendous size where this rock now sits. Best, JKG = http://embark.to/magonia C / Mayor 51, 3 B, 28013 Madrid Spain Tel: 600376311 (with image capabilities) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] re: cinnabar in meteorites
Hi Bernd, That helps enormously! In fact, I was thinking of several cases in which stones said to have dropped from the sky bore veiny letters on their surface, cinnabar-coloured scrawl that people interpreted as messages from God. Having seen narrow lines of cinnabar in rock, I wondered whether a connection existed. Judging by your reply, there is probably no direct link, but I had to establish the negative before moving on. Thanks again, Chris --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have found some historical accounts of meteorites with red veins, supposedly cinnabar. Can such things be? Hello Chris and List, I f you are talking about Colston Bassett - the answer is definitely no because it is a pseudometeorite. The Catalogue says that : A boulder lying in the churchyard has been identified as cinnabar, probably from Peru. Its meteoritic origin appears to be 'purely a fabrication of local legend', W.A.S. Sarjeant, The Mercian Geologist, 1971, 4, p. 41. If you are talking about Allende or Murchison, the answer may be yes because *minute* amounts of Hg (= mercury) have been identified in them: Allende = 30 ± 1.5 ng/g and Murchison = 294 ± 15 ng/g. Well, just like iron + sulfur = FeS (troilite), Hg + S = HgS = cinnabar. References: LAURETTA D.S. et al. (2000) Inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometry measurements of bulk mercury abundances and isotopic ratios in Murchison - CM, and Allende - CV (MAPS 35-5, 2000, Suppl., A095). RUBIN A.E. (1997) Mineralogy of meteorite groups (Meteoritics 32-2, 1997, 231-247). ULYANOV A.A. (1991) The meteorite minerals (Brown- Vernadsky Microsymp. Comp. Planet. 14th). Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = http://embark.to/magonia C / Mayor 51, 3 B, 28013 Madrid Spain Tel: 600376311 (with image capabilities) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cinnabar veins in meteorites?
A quick question: I have found some historical accounts of meteorites with red veins, supposedly cinnabar. Can such things be? Thanks, Chris = http://embark.to/magonia C / Mayor 51, 3 B, 28013 Madrid Spain Tel: 600376311 (with image capabilities) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] urban legends and recent meteorites
Dear list, I have noticed that an increase in alleged meteorite reports in the last month or two is leading some to claim all kinds of unlikely things about the state of the cosmos. Can anyone tell me to what extent there has been an increase in actual fireball-like phenomena in, say, the last 5 years? Or is this a false impression caused by wider coverage? I'd love to know, but find no straightforward sources. Thanks, Chris = http://embark.to/magonia C / Mayor 51, 3 B, 28013 Madrid Spain Tel: 600376311 (with image capabilities) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Spike from space
Hi listfolk, Can anyone tell me what they think this might have been? Was the spike a genuine meteoric artefact? I've never heard of anything like it. What about the glass? Just curious to test the validity of these old articles... Many thanks, Chris * 1919 01 30 New Oxford Item(Pennsylvania) - 1919-01-30 Meteor Drops Souvenir While pruning an apple tree on Wed- nesday, Joseph F. Fox, residing in Fred- erick county, noticed what he thought to be broken glass on the ground, and upon looking around to see what had happened, found upon a small limb, about 12 feet from the ground and five feet from the the trunk, a strange-looking object sticking straight up in the air. He sawed off the limb, which was only an inch and a half in diameter. The object is a mass of fus- ed metals, six inches long, weighing about two pounds, thought to have been thrown from the meteor that on Sunday evening, January 12, interested all of Southern Pennsylvania and Maryland. This is the first fragment of the meteor that has been found. A piece of metal, resembling iron, protrudes from the mass like a spike, and the point of this struck the top of the limb, embedding itself in the wood about an inch. The Elyria (Ohio) Evening Telegram, Wednesday 1919-01-15 Exploding Meteor Shakes Maryland Baltimore, Jan 15--All of Western Maryland from Baltimore City to the Blue Ridge mountains was brilliantly illuminated shortly after six o'clock Sunday evening by a giant meteor, the flash terminating in an explosion which startled residents of Hagers- town, Frederick city, Westminster and other towns on the railroads near those towns. The meteor apparently descended to within a hundred miles of the earth's surface, according to some scientific observers, and then exploded. Some observers in the western section of the state thought an airplane motor had exploded and looked for falling wreck- age. Instead of causing a shower of frag- ments, the detonation seemingly mark- ed the entire destruction of the body. This fact classified the meteor to sci- entists as the bolide variety which destroyes (sic) itself instead of causing a shower of brilliant debris. 1919 01 23 The Frederick Daily News, MD, , Thursday, 1919-01-23 MOLTEN MASS ON TREE FRAGMENT OF METEOR Strange Find of Joseph E. Fox, Near Troutville. EMBEDDED OVER INCH DEEP From Object, Iron-like Spike Pro- trudes Around Which Are Pieces of Glass--Eologist [sic] Wants Informa- tion. WANTS REPORT ON METEORITE Postmaster Williamson has re- ceived a letter from Lee P. Mer- rill, head curator of Geology of Smithsonian Institution, Wash- ington D.C., requesting informa- tion in regard to the meteorite which was observed in Washing ton also. He states that accord- ing to best reports the meteorite was traveling in a northwest direct- tion. Postmaster Williamson has advised Prof. Merrill of the small fragment found by Mr. Fox. Sticking straight up, on a small limb of an apple tree, a queer-look- ing mass of material weighing sev- eral pounds has just been found which is thought to be a fragment from the meteor which startled all Maryland and adjoining States on Sunday evening, January 12. The piece of supposed meteor was found by Joseph F. Fox on his farm on the road between Creagerstown and Woodsboro, at Troutville. All who have seen the strange looking object feel sure that it must have fallen from the heavens during that odd dis- play that was noticed over such a wide area. Pieces of the falling me- teor are reported to have been found in different places, one as far remote as Winchester, Va. Mrs. Margaret Ledgewood, a neigh- bor, happened to notice the flash of light and she thought at the time that lightning probably had struck a house nearby. The apple tree where the fragment was discovered is about midway between the two homes. It is probable that the object which embedded itself in the tree was part of a molten mass that lightened the skies and attracted her attention. The object was found by Mr. Fox when he was about to prune the tree. He noticed fragments of what he took to be broken glass under the tree and he wondered what it could be. He looked up and was surprised to see, out on a small limb about 12 feet above the ground and about 5 feet from the trunk an object sticking up and fastened to the limb. Struck by the unusualness of the thing, he saw- ed the limb off to find just what it was. Today he brought it to Fred- erick and showed it at the News-Post office. The limb in which the object em- bedded itself is about an inch and a half in diameter. The object is about 5 1/2 inches long. The weight of the foreign mass is about two pounds, it is estimated. It is obvious that the object is the fusion of molten mate- rials and metals. There is a mix- ture of colors which indicates a num- ber of metals. In a few places there is something that resembles pure lead. Part of it look like glass that has
[meteorite-list] Spike from space
Hi listfolk, Can anyone tell me what they think this might have been? Was the spike a genuine meteoric artefact? I've never heard of anything like it. What about the glass? Just curious to test the validity of these old articles... Many thanks, Chris * 1919 01 30 New Oxford Item(Pennsylvania) - 1919-01-30 Meteor Drops Souvenir While pruning an apple tree on Wed- nesday, Joseph F. Fox, residing in Fred- erick county, noticed what he thought to be broken glass on the ground, and upon looking around to see what had happened, found upon a small limb, about 12 feet from the ground and five feet from the the trunk, a strange-looking object sticking straight up in the air. He sawed off the limb, which was only an inch and a half in diameter. The object is a mass of fus- ed metals, six inches long, weighing about two pounds, thought to have been thrown from the meteor that on Sunday evening, January 12, interested all of Southern Pennsylvania and Maryland. This is the first fragment of the meteor that has been found. A piece of metal, resembling iron, protrudes from the mass like a spike, and the point of this struck the top of the limb, embedding itself in the wood about an inch. The Elyria (Ohio) Evening Telegram, Wednesday 1919-01-15 Exploding Meteor Shakes Maryland Baltimore, Jan 15--All of Western Maryland from Baltimore City to the Blue Ridge mountains was brilliantly illuminated shortly after six o'clock Sunday evening by a giant meteor, the flash terminating in an explosion which startled residents of Hagers- town, Frederick city, Westminster and other towns on the railroads near those towns. The meteor apparently descended to within a hundred miles of the earth's surface, according to some scientific observers, and then exploded. Some observers in the western section of the state thought an airplane motor had exploded and looked for falling wreck- age. Instead of causing a shower of frag- ments, the detonation seemingly mark- ed the entire destruction of the body. This fact classified the meteor to sci- entists as the bolide variety which destroyes (sic) itself instead of causing a shower of brilliant debris. 1919 01 23 The Frederick Daily News, MD, , Thursday, 1919-01-23 MOLTEN MASS ON TREE FRAGMENT OF METEOR Strange Find of Joseph E. Fox, Near Troutville. EMBEDDED OVER INCH DEEP From Object, Iron-like Spike Pro- trudes Around Which Are Pieces of Glass--Eologist [sic] Wants Informa- tion. WANTS REPORT ON METEORITE Postmaster Williamson has re- ceived a letter from Lee P. Mer- rill, head curator of Geology of Smithsonian Institution, Wash- ington D.C., requesting informa- tion in regard to the meteorite which was observed in Washing ton also. He states that accord- ing to best reports the meteorite was traveling in a northwest direct- tion. Postmaster Williamson has advised Prof. Merrill of the small fragment found by Mr. Fox. Sticking straight up, on a small limb of an apple tree, a queer-look- ing mass of material weighing sev- eral pounds has just been found which is thought to be a fragment from the meteor which startled all Maryland and adjoining States on Sunday evening, January 12. The piece of supposed meteor was found by Joseph F. Fox on his farm on the road between Creagerstown and Woodsboro, at Troutville. All who have seen the strange looking object feel sure that it must have fallen from the heavens during that odd dis- play that was noticed over such a wide area. Pieces of the falling me- teor are reported to have been found in different places, one as far remote as Winchester, Va. Mrs. Margaret Ledgewood, a neigh- bor, happened to notice the flash of light and she thought at the time that lightning probably had struck a house nearby. The apple tree where the fragment was discovered is about midway between the two homes. It is probable that the object which embedded itself in the tree was part of a molten mass that lightened the skies and attracted her attention. The object was found by Mr. Fox when he was about to prune the tree. He noticed fragments of what he took to be broken glass under the tree and he wondered what it could be. He looked up and was surprised to see, out on a small limb about 12 feet above the ground and about 5 feet from the trunk an object sticking up and fastened to the limb. Struck by the unusualness of the thing, he saw- ed the limb off to find just what it was. Today he brought it to Fred- erick and showed it at the News-Post office. The limb in which the object em- bedded itself is about an inch and a half in diameter. The object is about 5 1/2 inches long. The weight of the foreign mass is about two pounds, it is estimated. It is obvious that the object is the fusion of molten mate- rials and metals. There is a mix- ture of colors which indicates a num- ber of metals. In a few places there is something that resembles pure lead. Part of it look like glass that has
[meteorite-list] reports of gold and diamonds in meteorites 1850-1934
Dear list, Heres a batch of meteoric gold/diamonds reports from 1850 to 1934. It would be interesting to know whether these are mainly or partly hoaxes. Can anyone identify any real ones amongst them? Finders credits go to Mr. Aubeck, Mr. Clark, Mr. Brock, and to the other members of the Magonia Exchange Project (whether any have been taken from, or are repeated, anywhere else on the net I have not checked, but is quite possible). Contribution of material always more than welcome! http://embark.to/magonia Best wishes, Chris *** 1850 11 23 Scientific American, Vol. 6 No. 10 (November 23, 1850) p. 73 Gold in Aerolite A very curious phenomenon took place in the department of the Marne, in France. A globe of fire appeared in the sky about 9 oclock, P.M., and rolling with terrible rapidity, fell at a short distance from a company of four agri- culturists, who were returning to their farm. The peasants went to the spot and found there a glittering stone, which they picked up and carried home. To their great wonder and astonishment the stone was composed of a large quantity of gold; and it is said that its value amounts to 2,000 francs. This has caused an immense sensation among the corps of savants, and to us in America, it appears more strange than true. ** Minnesota pioneer sketches, from the personal recollections and observations of a pioneer resident, by Frank G. O'Brien (1843-1920) (Minneapolis, Minn., H.H.S. Rowell, 1904). p.242 There are at present but few people in Minneapolis who remember the gold excitement of 1857. There are not many who even dream that this community once experienced the throbbings of a gold-fever in its veins;--that in fact a genuine three day's Klondike excitement once raged here. [...] The most successful of the miners were, of course in the secret, and did their best to keep up the excitement by a liberal distribution of the specimens. Several stage loads of prospectors came up from St. Paul, among them a number of moneyed men who were anxious to secure adjoining property; but the valuation had increased to such an extent as to be beyond the reach of the ordinary Western capitalist; consequently, no sales were made. The excitement was kept at fever heat for three days, when it began to be noised about that this phenomenon was undoubtedly the result of the bursting of a meteor laden with gold, and that the scattered contents had all been gathered; hence it was folly to continue prospecting, as the geological conditions were not flattering for successful operations. Fictitious property values resumed their normal conditions, while the wheels of industry, for the time neglected were again set in motion. * 1878 12 Manufacturer and Builder gold meteoMeteoric Gold from Heaven,, Vol. 10, No. 12, (December 1878) p. 279 METEORIC GOLD FROM HEAVEN--The Sentinel, pub- lished in Yuma, Cal., contains the following report: A remarkable specimen of meteoric iron, more like steel, has been brought in here from the Mohave de- sert. It weighs about a pound, and carries free gold, of which nearly a dollar's worth appears on the sur- face. It is not magnetic, and has successfully resisted simple and compound baths of acid. In this respect it resembles specular iron, but in no other. One of its surfaces shows a fracture that reveals a crystalline structure, the color of which is a steel-gray, tinged with yellow. It has defied the best cold-chisels in the blacksmith-shop, and has not broken or chipped under heavy blows. If its composition can be imitated, it will produce the hardest and toughest alloy known. *** 1890 02 02 Brooklyn Eagle, 1890-02-02 [No heading] Two of a trade can never agree, they say, and even scientific gentlemen are not above tricks and jealousy. There is a scientist here in Brook- lyn who has recently made a confession that I found interesting. A few years ago a cable dis- patch was published to the effect that diamonds had been discovered in a meteor that had fallen in Siberia and directly on hearing of it a New York collector began negotiations for a piece of that meteor, and at a cost of $70 secured a frag- ment the size of a bean. He brought it in haste to the Brooklyn scientist to have him cut micro- scopic slides out of it and to test the residue for carbon. The scientist does not love the collector and here is his confession: I made the micro- scopic slides according to order and very quick discovered that the stone was not a meteor at all. The little points that had been described as dia- monds were grains of olivine. However, I re- solved to make a thorough test and I applied acids to the stone, going through a series of ope- rations that occupied me for several days.
Re: [meteorite-list] Spike from space
Hi Mark, Many thanks for the link to the article at your site. I guess the item found was not meteoric but as I am collecting these reports I shall add it to my catalogue of rogue cases, and make a reference to the one you cite, too. Many members of Magonia Exchange have found very interesting material at your site, as have I, and we have sometimes used your references to dig up original page images in the online newspaper archives. The only thing I would like to mention, by the way, is that it is not easy to tell what's new from what's not on your pages. Any chance you could add a label to the new ones coming in? Thanks again for the extra reference, Chris = http://embark.to/magonia Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New topic: Micro Diamonds
Hi David, listfolk, This is a very interesting question as I find many 19th century references to (1) diamonds and (2) gold found in meteorites. I am usually inclined to label these hoaxes, but perhaps this would be too hasty. If diamonds were seen in meteorites by their finders I suppose they were not just a few microns in size. Best, Chris --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List: I have an ebay customer asking me where he can purchase a diamond from a meteorite impact Any for sale, contact me and I will forward the email to you. Aren't they small, like a few microns in size and not the size of grains of rice? I didn't know of anyone selling them. Dave F. mjwy __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = http://embark.to/magonia Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hollow Meteorite Article
Thanks, list, For informing me about the hollow meteorites. I sincerely appreciate the comments and links, and now understand that hollow aerolites simply do not exist, and therefore were not the inspiration for the 19th century tales I have come across. Many thanks once again. I will post here my final report on these tales if anyone is interested in reading a bit of 'meteoric folklore.' Sincerely, Chris = http://embark.to/magonia Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hollow meteorites?
Dear list, Could anyone tell me how a hollow meteorite might form? I have come across a couple of references to meteorites with internal cavities and cannot see how this would happen. Thanks very much, Chris = http://embark.to/magonia Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hollow meteorites?
Hi Bernd, list, Thanks for your prompt response. As a folklorist and historian I have been surprised by the number of weird meteorite tales I have found in 18th-early 20th century newspapers and books. I have received many of these during the research phase of a Fortean/Folklore-related project we currently conducting (Magonia Exchange - I want to stress that it concerns folklore and Fortean beliefs, it is not really UFO-oriented, and has serious objectives), and some of them concern hollow meteorites, some concealing objects or manuscripts. As this folkloric motif has gone practically unexamined, I would first like to establish whether the observation of hollow meteorites could have helped produce the legends, but also have a fairly good idea about how such objects could be formed in nature. Therefore, to answer your entirely warranted technical question, let me say: I don't know! Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Chris = http://embark.to/magonia Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
