Re: [meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden

2006-12-07 Thread chris aubeck
Hi list,

I was just wondering whether, more than a year on, anyone had come
across this story about a meteorite with fossilized remains inside. I
have an ongoing project to collect these stories, and any weirder ones
that emerge!

Best wishes,

Chris

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Re: [meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden
by chris aubeck
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Hi Göran!

Ah, so it was one of those stories after all!

It sounds a lot like the Italian article I translated and mentioned in
my last post. A part of what I do is to follow these trends as they
spread across Europe, it helps build up an idea of how people first
became aware of the science that surrounded them.

If ever you can recall the date of the account I'd be fascinated to
know it and see how it fits into the general chronology of press
reports of the period.

Warm regards from Madrid,

Chris

On 9/6/05, Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Chris,

 I haven't forget about you.

 I have tried to find the article again. It was publicised in a Swedish
 periodic called GFF, Geologiska Föreningen i Stockholms Annaler, but I
 haven't been able to locate the note I made about which issue it was in.
 Two months ago I tried to find it in the storage of the library only to
 find that they had removed it from the storage.
 120 years of geological articles only three minutes from home gone... :-(

 The article in it self was about a meteorite that was observed to fall
 in Sweden and found in a field. If my memory doesn't fail me it was
 still hot when found, black on the outside and full of fossiles.
 Actually it turned out to be a bit of burned limestone and it was
 debunked either at the end of the article or in a later issue.

 I haven't given up on finding that article again but it will take me
 some more effort to find it again. I'll let you know if I find it.

 Thanks for the link to the fossile meteorites, I hadn't seen that
 article before.

 As a sidenote, I was on a mineral tour to Jämtland in 2002 and we
 visited Brunflo to collect fossiles. As we knew of the fossile
 meteorites found in that quarry my interest were towards the meteorites.
 Suddenly I found a rusty ball in a stone. No one had seen anything like
 that, but after the first excitement had died down we started to realise
 that it probably was a pyrite ball, not a meteorite.

  :-)

 /Göran

 chris aubeck wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Last year, on September 21st, I received a reply on this list from
 Göran Axelsson which ended, enigmatically:
 
 As a sidenote there were a meteorite found in sweden almost 100 years
 ago with fossiles in it. Anyone want to debunk that one?
 
 :-)
 
 /Göran
 
 
 I was seriously interested in seeing a copy of the original article,
 but unfortunately Mr. Axelsson didn't reply. Can anyone tell me
 anything about it? This is exactly what I collect and study.
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Chris
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On 9/6/05, Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Chris,

 I haven't forget about you.

 I have tried to find the article again. It was publicised in a Swedish
 periodic called GFF, Geologiska Föreningen i Stockholms Annaler, but I
 haven't been able to locate the note I made about which issue it was in.
 Two months ago I tried to find it in the storage of the library only to
 find that they had removed it from the storage.
 120 years of geological articles only three minutes from home gone... :-(

 The article in it self was about a meteorite that was observed to fall
 in Sweden and found in a field. If my memory doesn't fail me it was
 still hot when found, black on the outside and full of fossiles.
 Actually it turned out to be a bit of burned limestone and it was
 debunked either at the end of the article or in a later issue.

 I haven't given up on finding that article again but it will take me
 some more effort to find it again. I'll let you know if I find it.

 Thanks for the link to the fossile meteorites, I hadn't seen that
 article before.

 As a sidenote, I was on a mineral tour to Jämtland in 2002 and we
 visited Brunflo to collect fossiles. As we knew of the fossile
 meteorites found in that quarry my interest were towards the meteorites.
 Suddenly I found a rusty ball in a stone. No one had seen anything like
 that, but after the first excitement had died down we started to realise
 that it probably was a pyrite ball, not a meteorite.

  :-)

 /Göran

 chris aubeck wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Last year, on September 21st, I received a reply on this list from
 Göran Axelsson which ended, enigmatically:
 
 As a sidenote there were a meteorite found in sweden almost 100 years
 ago with fossiles in it. Anyone want to debunk that one?
 
 :-)
 
 /Göran
 
 
 I

Re: [meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden

2005-09-07 Thread chris aubeck
Hi Sterling,

Thanks for this information, I find it interesting and useful for my
own studies. However, I do not expect it to be the fossil story
original mentioned by Göram. Not because I know much about sedimentary
meteorite falls, but because I know a thing or two about alleged
fossil-bearing spacerocks from the 19th century press. It would
surprise me if Swedish newspapers didn't publish a report about a
meteorite that remained hot for an impossibly long time and contained
organic fossils, simply because that was the fashion at the time.

Best wishes,

Chris



On 9/7/05, Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 
You're probably referring to:
 
BLECKENSTAD,
Ostergotland, Sweden, April 11, 1925
 
 A meteor was observed, leaving a trail
 of smoke. Stones are said to have
 fallen, and fragments of a white, porous
 limestone were picked up, differing from
 the local rocks. The possibly meteoritic
 nature of this material has been the subject
 of considerable discussion, N. Zenzen
 (1942, 1943); A. Hadding (1943); F.C. Cross
 (1947). Pseudometeorite, F.E. Wickman
  A. Uddenberg-Anderson (1982).
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Re: [meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden

2005-09-07 Thread Ingo Herkstroeter
Hi Folks!
 
 If this is the stone I'm thinking of, Zenzen,
 who was head of the Sweden Geological Survey
 or Museum, or equivalent official and a prominent
 geologist, wrote extensively on it. The witness
 account is perfectly consistently with the real
 thing and the stone is fossilerous limestone.

I think this indicates a new question: Are sedimentary meteorites
possibible?

People mostly don´t think about this problem and so this problem don´t
exist! We all knew, that we have rocks from Mars, but this rocks are only
igneous! Why most people don´t accept, that sedimantary rocks could be hard
enough to survive a impact (and this is the main problem) and become
meteorites? I don´t know how many of you ever piced up a hammer and go out
in the field to have a look to terrestrial rocks. I´ve made this since I´m 8
years old and I´ve seen a lot of sed. rocks hard enough to do so. There are
sed. rocks on the Mars that´s sure, so why not a Mars sandstone or
limestone?

And what´s about planetary metamorphic rocks (not shock met.).?

Just a few wild thoughts

Ingo/Germany

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
 Von: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden
 Datum: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:17:18 -0500
 
 Hi,
 
 You're probably referring to:
 
 BLECKENSTAD,
 Ostergotland, Sweden, April 11, 1925
 
 A meteor was observed, leaving a trail
 of smoke. Stones are said to have
 fallen, and fragments of a white, porous
 limestone were picked up, differing from
 the local rocks. The possibly meteoritic
 nature of this material has been the subject
 of considerable discussion, N. Zenzen
 (1942, 1943); A. Hadding (1943); F.C. Cross
 (1947). Pseudometeorite, F.E. Wickman
  A. Uddenberg-Anderson (1982).
 
 If this is the stone I'm thinking of, Zenzen,
 who was head of the Sweden Geological Survey
 or Museum, or equivalent official and a prominent
 geologist, wrote extensively on it. The witness
 account is perfectly consistently with the real
 thing and the stone is fossilerous limestone.
 All that happened is that he ruined his
 reputation and lost his job. Sad. I posted a
 long investigation report about it and it may
 still be in the archives if they go back far
 enough.
 The explanation is blindingly simple.
 It's a terrestrial meteorite., blasted off the
 Earth by impact and returned to the Earth
 100,000's of years later, instead of wandering
 the System or ending up on Mars or Venus...
 The simulations of interplanetary transport
 by Melosh, Gladman, and others, always
 show a fair percentage of impact liberated
 materials returning to their world of origin.
 Nininger found a fossilliferous meteorite
 too, with a thin calcinated fusion crust and
 wrote, briefly, about it, but he, unlike Zenzen,
 knew when to shut up.
 
 
 Sterling K. Webb
 --
 chris aubeck wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Last year, on September 21st, I received a reply on this list from
  Göran Axelsson which ended, enigmatically:
 
  As a sidenote there were a meteorite found in sweden almost 100 years
  ago with fossiles in it. Anyone want to debunk that one?
 
  :-)
 
  /Göran
 
  I was seriously interested in seeing a copy of the original article,
  but unfortunately Mr. Axelsson didn't reply. Can anyone tell me
  anything about it? This is exactly what I collect and study.
 
  Best wishes,
 
  Chris
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[meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden

2005-09-06 Thread chris aubeck
Hi,

Last year, on September 21st, I received a reply on this list from
Göran Axelsson which ended, enigmatically:

As a sidenote there were a meteorite found in sweden almost 100 years
ago with fossiles in it. Anyone want to debunk that one?

:-)

/Göran


I was seriously interested in seeing a copy of the original article,
but unfortunately Mr. Axelsson didn't reply. Can anyone tell me
anything about it? This is exactly what I collect and study.

Best wishes,

Chris
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AW: [meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden

2005-09-06 Thread Jörn Koblitz
I think he was talking about the fossil meteorites Brunflo, Osterplana and 
others found in Sweden rather than fossils in meteorites. 

Look here:

http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Mar04/fossilMeteorites.html

Best regards,
Jörn


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 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Auftrag von chris
 aubeck
 Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. September 2005 15:30
 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: [meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Last year, on September 21st, I received a reply on this list from
 Göran Axelsson which ended, enigmatically:
 
 As a sidenote there were a meteorite found in sweden almost 100 years
 ago with fossiles in it. Anyone want to debunk that one?
 
 :-)
 
 /Göran
 
 
 I was seriously interested in seeing a copy of the original article,
 but unfortunately Mr. Axelsson didn't reply. Can anyone tell me
 anything about it? This is exactly what I collect and study.
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Chris
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Re: [meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden

2005-09-06 Thread Göran Axelsson

Hi Chris,

I haven't forget about you.

I have tried to find the article again. It was publicised in a Swedish 
periodic called GFF, Geologiska Föreningen i Stockholms Annaler, but I 
haven't been able to locate the note I made about which issue it was in.
Two months ago I tried to find it in the storage of the library only to 
find that they had removed it from the storage.

120 years of geological articles only three minutes from home gone... :-(

The article in it self was about a meteorite that was observed to fall 
in Sweden and found in a field. If my memory doesn't fail me it was 
still hot when found, black on the outside and full of fossiles.
Actually it turned out to be a bit of burned limestone and it was 
debunked either at the end of the article or in a later issue.


I haven't given up on finding that article again but it will take me 
some more effort to find it again. I'll let you know if I find it.


Thanks for the link to the fossile meteorites, I hadn't seen that 
article before.


As a sidenote, I was on a mineral tour to Jämtland in 2002 and we 
visited Brunflo to collect fossiles. As we knew of the fossile 
meteorites found in that quarry my interest were towards the meteorites. 
Suddenly I found a rusty ball in a stone. No one had seen anything like 
that, but after the first excitement had died down we started to realise 
that it probably was a pyrite ball, not a meteorite.


 :-)

/Göran

chris aubeck wrote:


Hi,

Last year, on September 21st, I received a reply on this list from
Göran Axelsson which ended, enigmatically:

As a sidenote there were a meteorite found in sweden almost 100 years
ago with fossiles in it. Anyone want to debunk that one?

:-)

/Göran


I was seriously interested in seeing a copy of the original article,
but unfortunately Mr. Axelsson didn't reply. Can anyone tell me
anything about it? This is exactly what I collect and study.

Best wishes,

Chris
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Re: [meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden

2005-09-06 Thread chris aubeck
Hi Göran!

Ah, so it was one of those stories after all!

It sounds a lot like the Italian article I translated and mentioned in
my last post. A part of what I do is to follow these trends as they
spread across Europe, it helps build up an idea of how people first
became aware of the science that surrounded them.

If ever you can recall the date of the account I'd be fascinated to
know it and see how it fits into the general chronology of press
reports of the period.

Warm regards from Madrid,

Chris 

On 9/6/05, Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Chris,
 
 I haven't forget about you.
 
 I have tried to find the article again. It was publicised in a Swedish
 periodic called GFF, Geologiska Föreningen i Stockholms Annaler, but I
 haven't been able to locate the note I made about which issue it was in.
 Two months ago I tried to find it in the storage of the library only to
 find that they had removed it from the storage.
 120 years of geological articles only three minutes from home gone... :-(
 
 The article in it self was about a meteorite that was observed to fall
 in Sweden and found in a field. If my memory doesn't fail me it was
 still hot when found, black on the outside and full of fossiles.
 Actually it turned out to be a bit of burned limestone and it was
 debunked either at the end of the article or in a later issue.
 
 I haven't given up on finding that article again but it will take me
 some more effort to find it again. I'll let you know if I find it.
 
 Thanks for the link to the fossile meteorites, I hadn't seen that
 article before.
 
 As a sidenote, I was on a mineral tour to Jämtland in 2002 and we
 visited Brunflo to collect fossiles. As we knew of the fossile
 meteorites found in that quarry my interest were towards the meteorites.
 Suddenly I found a rusty ball in a stone. No one had seen anything like
 that, but after the first excitement had died down we started to realise
 that it probably was a pyrite ball, not a meteorite.
 
  :-)
 
 /Göran
 
 chris aubeck wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Last year, on September 21st, I received a reply on this list from
 Göran Axelsson which ended, enigmatically:
 
 As a sidenote there were a meteorite found in sweden almost 100 years
 ago with fossiles in it. Anyone want to debunk that one?
 
 :-)
 
 /Göran
 
 
 I was seriously interested in seeing a copy of the original article,
 but unfortunately Mr. Axelsson didn't reply. Can anyone tell me
 anything about it? This is exactly what I collect and study.
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Chris
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On 9/6/05, Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Chris,
 
 I haven't forget about you.
 
 I have tried to find the article again. It was publicised in a Swedish
 periodic called GFF, Geologiska Föreningen i Stockholms Annaler, but I
 haven't been able to locate the note I made about which issue it was in.
 Two months ago I tried to find it in the storage of the library only to
 find that they had removed it from the storage.
 120 years of geological articles only three minutes from home gone... :-(
 
 The article in it self was about a meteorite that was observed to fall
 in Sweden and found in a field. If my memory doesn't fail me it was
 still hot when found, black on the outside and full of fossiles.
 Actually it turned out to be a bit of burned limestone and it was
 debunked either at the end of the article or in a later issue.
 
 I haven't given up on finding that article again but it will take me
 some more effort to find it again. I'll let you know if I find it.
 
 Thanks for the link to the fossile meteorites, I hadn't seen that
 article before.
 
 As a sidenote, I was on a mineral tour to Jämtland in 2002 and we
 visited Brunflo to collect fossiles. As we knew of the fossile
 meteorites found in that quarry my interest were towards the meteorites.
 Suddenly I found a rusty ball in a stone. No one had seen anything like
 that, but after the first excitement had died down we started to realise
 that it probably was a pyrite ball, not a meteorite.
 
  :-)
 
 /Göran
 
 chris aubeck wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Last year, on September 21st, I received a reply on this list from
 Göran Axelsson which ended, enigmatically:
 
 As a sidenote there were a meteorite found in sweden almost 100 years
 ago with fossiles in it. Anyone want to debunk that one?
 
 :-)
 
 /Göran
 
 
 I was seriously interested in seeing a copy of the original article,
 but unfortunately Mr. Axelsson didn't reply. Can anyone tell me
 anything about it? This is exactly what I collect and study.
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Chris
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RE: [meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden

2005-09-06 Thread Anita Westlake
Hey Guys:
  We have v.1 (from the 1800's) through v.112 (1990) here at Emory. If you
find out what issue it's in, I'd be glad to hunt it down for you and make a
copy.

Anita D. Westlake, Manager
James S. Guy Chemistry Library
Math/Science Library
EMORY UNIVERSITY
1515 Dickey Drive
Atlanta, Ga 30322
Telephone: 404-727-4066
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FAX: 404-727-0054
 

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To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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Hi Chris,

I haven't forget about you.

I have tried to find the article again. It was publicised in a Swedish 
periodic called GFF, Geologiska Föreningen i Stockholms Annaler, but I 
haven't been able to locate the note I made about which issue it was in.
Two months ago I tried to find it in the storage of the library only to 
find that they had removed it from the storage.
120 years of geological articles only three minutes from home gone... :-(

The article in it self was about a meteorite that was observed to fall 
in Sweden and found in a field. If my memory doesn't fail me it was 
still hot when found, black on the outside and full of fossiles.
Actually it turned out to be a bit of burned limestone and it was 
debunked either at the end of the article or in a later issue.

I haven't given up on finding that article again but it will take me 
some more effort to find it again. I'll let you know if I find it.

Thanks for the link to the fossile meteorites, I hadn't seen that 
article before.

As a sidenote, I was on a mineral tour to Jämtland in 2002 and we 
visited Brunflo to collect fossiles. As we knew of the fossile 
meteorites found in that quarry my interest were towards the meteorites. 
Suddenly I found a rusty ball in a stone. No one had seen anything like 
that, but after the first excitement had died down we started to realise 
that it probably was a pyrite ball, not a meteorite.

  :-)

/Göran

chris aubeck wrote:

Hi,

Last year, on September 21st, I received a reply on this list from
Göran Axelsson which ended, enigmatically:

As a sidenote there were a meteorite found in sweden almost 100 years
ago with fossiles in it. Anyone want to debunk that one?

:-)

/Göran


I was seriously interested in seeing a copy of the original article,
but unfortunately Mr. Axelsson didn't reply. Can anyone tell me
anything about it? This is exactly what I collect and study.

Best wishes,

Chris
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Re: [meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden

2005-09-06 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi,

You're probably referring to:

BLECKENSTAD,
Ostergotland, Sweden, April 11, 1925

A meteor was observed, leaving a trail
of smoke. Stones are said to have
fallen, and fragments of a white, porous
limestone were picked up, differing from
the local rocks. The possibly meteoritic
nature of this material has been the subject
of considerable discussion, N. Zenzen
(1942, 1943); A. Hadding (1943); F.C. Cross
(1947). Pseudometeorite, F.E. Wickman
 A. Uddenberg-Anderson (1982).

If this is the stone I'm thinking of, Zenzen,
who was head of the Sweden Geological Survey
or Museum, or equivalent official and a prominent
geologist, wrote extensively on it. The witness
account is perfectly consistently with the real
thing and the stone is fossilerous limestone.
All that happened is that he ruined his
reputation and lost his job. Sad. I posted a
long investigation report about it and it may
still be in the archives if they go back far
enough.
The explanation is blindingly simple.
It's a terrestrial meteorite., blasted off the
Earth by impact and returned to the Earth
100,000's of years later, instead of wandering
the System or ending up on Mars or Venus...
The simulations of interplanetary transport
by Melosh, Gladman, and others, always
show a fair percentage of impact liberated
materials returning to their world of origin.
Nininger found a fossilliferous meteorite
too, with a thin calcinated fusion crust and
wrote, briefly, about it, but he, unlike Zenzen,
knew when to shut up.


Sterling K. Webb
--
chris aubeck wrote:

 Hi,

 Last year, on September 21st, I received a reply on this list from
 Göran Axelsson which ended, enigmatically:

 As a sidenote there were a meteorite found in sweden almost 100 years
 ago with fossiles in it. Anyone want to debunk that one?

 :-)

 /Göran

 I was seriously interested in seeing a copy of the original article,
 but unfortunately Mr. Axelsson didn't reply. Can anyone tell me
 anything about it? This is exactly what I collect and study.

 Best wishes,

 Chris
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Re: [meteorite-list] 100 year old meteorite story from Sweden

2005-09-06 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi,

Thanks to Google, I was able to find
my own post, which otherwise would have
been like looking for a single sock lost years
ago at the bottom of the bedroom closet...

I reproduce it here, from 10-24-03:

Actually, there are a number of
sedimentary meteorites. It's just that
they are not acknowledged to be meteorites.
If you have the CDROM of the Catalogue,
have the software assemble you a
list of pseudometeorites that are not irons.
Or just search for BLECKENSTAD
(April 11, 1925) SWEDEN, a sedimentary
meteorite of white limestone complete with
fossil shells. It was reported on by Dr. Assar
Hadding of the Swedish Geological Institute
in 1939 who, after a long investigation, decided
it really was a meteorite. The chief reason for
so believing is that it is a WITNESSED FALL
and you really can't get much better than that.
However, he was widely regarded as whacky
by the wise men of 1939 and (equally wisely)
shut up about it for 20 years. Hadding was so
discouraged by the reception of his earlier paper
that, when he discovered another sedimentary
meteorite, he threw it away! Only much later,
in the 1950's, when he realized that they could
have been Earthites, did he write about the two
stones again.
Nininger himself found a small sedimentary
meteorite, on March 24, 1933, while searching
for fragments of Pasamonte. The stone in
question was a dirty grey  limestone with
fragmentary shell bits fossilized in it and
sporting a black fusion crust. He ruled out
an artificial origin for the crust but was unwilling
to claim it was a meteorite, apparently not because
he didn't think it was a meteorite but because
it wasn't worth the noise...
Frank Cross wrote about sedimentary
meteorites at length in the journal
Popular Astronomy (Vol. 55, 1947,
pp. 96-102), citing Trevlac (Indiana)
and Montrose (West Virginia), two
independently discovered sedimentary
meteorites with identical green glassy crusts.
And so it goes...
The whereabouts of most of the
sedimentary pseudometeorites is
unknown, not surprising considering
their reception, so the sophisticated
tests that could be performed today
are impossible. There's a kind of
self-reinforcing judgement at work
in that. Two guys from the French
Academy, flumping their powdered
wigs, explain, Foolish peasant! Ze
sedimentary rocks from ze sky, zey
do not fall, so we throw the evidence in
the trash.
Anybody on the List know what
happened to Nininger's sedimentary
find?

Hope that helps.


Sterling K. Webb

Sterling K. Webb wrote:

 Hi,

 You're probably referring to:

 BLECKENSTAD,
 Ostergotland, Sweden, April 11, 1925

 A meteor was observed, leaving a trail
 of smoke. Stones are said to have
 fallen, and fragments of a white, porous
 limestone were picked up, differing from
 the local rocks. The possibly meteoritic
 nature of this material has been the subject
 of considerable discussion, N. Zenzen
 (1942, 1943); A. Hadding (1943); F.C. Cross
 (1947). Pseudometeorite, F.E. Wickman
  A. Uddenberg-Anderson (1982).

 If this is the stone I'm thinking of, Zenzen,
 who was head of the Sweden Geological Survey
 or Museum, or equivalent official and a prominent
 geologist, wrote extensively on it. The witness
 account is perfectly consistently with the real
 thing and the stone is fossilerous limestone.
 All that happened is that he ruined his
 reputation and lost his job. Sad. I posted a
 long investigation report about it and it may
 still be in the archives if they go back far
 enough.
 The explanation is blindingly simple.
 It's a terrestrial meteorite., blasted off the
 Earth by impact and returned to the Earth
 100,000's of years later, instead of wandering
 the System or ending up on Mars or Venus...
 The simulations of interplanetary transport
 by Melosh, Gladman, and others, always
 show a fair percentage of impact liberated
 materials returning to their world of origin.
 Nininger found a fossilliferous meteorite
 too, with a thin calcinated fusion crust and
 wrote, briefly, about it, but he, unlike Zenzen,
 knew when to shut up.

 Sterling K. Webb
 --
 chris aubeck wrote:

  Hi,
 
  Last year, on September 21st, I received a reply on this list from
  Göran Axelsson which ended, enigmatically:
 
  As a sidenote there were a meteorite found in sweden almost 100 years
  ago with fossiles in it. Anyone want to debunk that one?
 
  :-)
 
  /Göran
 
  I was seriously interested in seeing a copy of the original article,
  but unfortunately Mr. Axelsson didn't reply. Can anyone tell me
  anything about it? This is exactly what I collect and study.
 
  Best wishes,
 
  Chris
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