Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
thats the whole reason I spoke up on this issue. There are IMCA board members feeding Jason utas information to create his IMCA blacklist website, yet he is breaking the IMCA code of ethics and also international laws. The IMCA will do nothing about it as Jason id protected by the IMCA board. Its a sad situation indeed. When its a part of the clique they look the other way. I was good enough to run for the board and yet two months later was no longer an IMCA member because I rocked the boat. I am sorry, I WILL NOT keep quiet when I see issues. How about the fact Adam Hupe OWNS the IMCA now? Where is that public info unless you do extensive research and pay the money to get records? How about how the IMCA was NOT non profit for several years? yet certain members what to team up and build a blacklist website and then sell illegally exported meteorites? The IMCA is complete BS and so futile at this point it is not much more then a marketing gimmick. I will speak out on this because I am not afraid of them or what they will try to do to my business. they already have done what they can to make me look bad, so I am returning the favor. THE IMCA IS A WASTE OF A GREAT IDEA. It is a group with good intentions, but run by many that have no other interest then money and no love for meteorites. Anne Black does not care about meteorites. She is all about the money she can make off them. So are several others in charge of the group. Its not the IMCA, its the IMDA (D for dealers) at this point. Owned and controlled by dealers who do not collect and dont have the passion a collector does. Let the crickets chirp as they keep quiet and try to hide this. I beg the board, challenge what I am saying, please do... I will prove you wrong at every turn. I made mistakes in trusting people, but made it right and that led to a lot of personal issues in my life. My wanting to share meteorites with others. I had dreams that were not able to be made reality. I admit that, but it was only my passion for these space rocks that did it. Not some scheme or scam. Just dreams. Jason cant say that, Anne cant say that. most the IMCA board who remains quiet cant say that. I dare them to speak up... they wont because it will affect the money they make and the fancy cars they drive. I have nothing to lose, so I speak my mind. So be it... Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com To: rickm...@earthlink.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Sorry Richard but this an endemic issue that will always be viewed with a turned head. What bothers me the most is the fact that it get's ignored in relation to who is involved. I don't really care who sells an illegal rock unless it's an imca member who is sworn to the uphold the truth.. like anyone really cares about the imca. The perpetrator rolls the dice. I do get disgusted when the people who preach about it all backslide into their own bs. Many have preached and done the contrary. Check the archives. I can accept opportunists and leaches as long as they're up front about it, as long as they don't get in my way From: rickm...@earthlink.net To: m...@meteoriteguy.com; star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 20:32:35 -0700 CC: jasonu...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit A follow-up to clarify...I echo MF's perspective. -RM - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Cc: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Perhaps the job of the IMCA is not to police the world's laws, but to ensure authenticity, which is what it was set up to do. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 14, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. You know more then well I was told it was Mifflin. I FULLY REFUNDED EVERYONE. Case closed. YOU can shove off I had several still not return material to me even though they were refunded..., including Mike Cottingham, and John Helm. 2. I spent several thousand of my money to try to open the museum. It failed. What can I say? I tried... Again, you can shove off 3. I have returned EVERYTHING donated minus one person who I have talked to about it. YOU did nothing yet run your mouth... again, shove off... 4. WHAT I DID/DO DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT THAT YOU SELLING ILLEGALLY
Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
thats the whole reason I spoke up on this issue. There are IMCA board members feeding Jason utas information to create his IMCA blacklist website, yet he is breaking the IMCA code of ethics and also international laws. The IMCA will do nothing about it as Jason id protected by the IMCA board. Its a sad situation indeed. When its a part of the clique they look the other way. I was good enough to run for the board and yet two months later was no longer an IMCA member because I rocked the boat. I am sorry, I WILL NOT keep quiet when I see issues. How about the fact Adam Hupe OWNS the IMCA now? Where is that public info unless you do extensive research and pay the money to get records? How about how the IMCA was NOT non profit for several years? yet certain members what to team up and build a blacklist website and then sell illegally exported meteorites? The IMCA is complete BS and so futile at this point it is not much more then a marketing gimmick. I will speak out on this because I am not afraid of them or what they will try to do to my business. they already have done what they can to make me look bad, so I am returning the favor. THE IMCA IS A WASTE OF A GREAT IDEA. It is a group with good intentions, but run by many that have no other interest then money and no love for meteorites. Anne Black does not care about meteorites. She is all about the money she can make off them. So are several others in charge of the group. Its not the IMCA, its the IMDA (D for dealers) at this point. Owned and controlled by dealers who do not collect and dont have the passion a collector does. Let the crickets chirp as they keep quiet and try to hide this. I beg the board, challenge what I am saying, please do... I will prove you wrong at every turn. I made mistakes in trusting people, but made it right and that led to a lot of personal issues in my life. My wanting to share meteorites with others. I had dreams that were not able to be made reality. I admit that, but it was only my passion for these space rocks that did it. Not some scheme or scam. Just dreams. Jason cant say that, Anne cant say that. most the IMCA board who remains quiet cant say that. I dare them to speak up... they wont because it will affect the money they make and the fancy cars they drive. I have nothing to lose, so I speak my mind. So be it... Block me from posting to protect the IMCA if you wish, but the truth is the truth. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites - Original Message - From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com To: rickm...@earthlink.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Sorry Richard but this an endemic issue that will always be viewed with a turned head. What bothers me the most is the fact that it get's ignored in relation to who is involved. I don't really care who sells an illegal rock unless it's an imca member who is sworn to the uphold the truth.. like anyone really cares about the imca. The perpetrator rolls the dice. I do get disgusted when the people who preach about it all backslide into their own bs. Many have preached and done the contrary. Check the archives. I can accept opportunists and leaches as long as they're up front about it, as long as they don't get in my way From: rickm...@earthlink.net To: m...@meteoriteguy.com; star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 20:32:35 -0700 CC: jasonu...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit A follow-up to clarify...I echo MF's perspective. -RM - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Cc: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Perhaps the job of the IMCA is not to police the world's laws, but to ensure authenticity, which is what it was set up to do. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 14, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. You know more then well I was told it was Mifflin. I FULLY REFUNDED EVERYONE. Case closed. YOU can shove off I had several still not return material to me even though they were refunded..., including Mike Cottingham, and John Helm. 2. I spent several thousand of my money to try to open the museum. It failed. What can I say? I tried... Again, you can shove off 3. I have returned EVERYTHING donated minus one person who I have talked to about it. YOU did nothing yet run your mouth... again
Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
Time for me to excuse myself from any further comments on this thread, the neophyte that I am, with this last one on this topic: when I mentioned I echoed Mike's comments, I see it all from afar as a non-IMCA member, and have held onto my perspective that the meteorite world is as pristine as the falls and finds we enjoy. Sad to see the drama. -Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com To: rickm...@earthlink.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:07 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Sorry Richard but this an endemic issue that will always be viewed with a turned head. What bothers me the most is the fact that it get's ignored in relation to who is involved. I don't really care who sells an illegal rock unless it's an imca member who is sworn to the uphold the truth.. like anyone really cares about the imca. The perpetrator rolls the dice. I do get disgusted when the people who preach about it all backslide into their own bs. Many have preached and done the contrary. Check the archives. I can accept opportunists and leaches as long as they're up front about it, as long as they don't get in my way From: rickm...@earthlink.net To: m...@meteoriteguy.com; star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 20:32:35 -0700 CC: jasonu...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit A follow-up to clarify...I echo MF's perspective. -RM - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Cc: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Perhaps the job of the IMCA is not to police the world's laws, but to ensure authenticity, which is what it was set up to do. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 14, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. You know more then well I was told it was Mifflin. I FULLY REFUNDED EVERYONE. Case closed. YOU can shove off I had several still not return material to me even though they were refunded..., including Mike Cottingham, and John Helm. 2. I spent several thousand of my money to try to open the museum. It failed. What can I say? I tried... Again, you can shove off 3. I have returned EVERYTHING donated minus one person who I have talked to about it. YOU did nothing yet run your mouth... again, shove off... 4. WHAT I DID/DO DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT THAT YOU SELLING ILLEGALLY EXPORTED MATERIAL AND KNOW AS MUCH!!! I didnt know about the mifflin, you know the laws about this, and choose to ignore it! your comments are pathetic. YOU are breaking international laws, and are an IMCA member to boot... Where is the IMCA right now when you are selling ILLEGALLY EXPORTED METEORITES? What are they going to do with you breaking numerous IMCA rules? ANYONE from the IMCA care to comment or will they remain quite as that usually do when one of the good ol boys break the rules? Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites - Original Message - From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Hello Greg, The gall you must have to pass on thousands of dollars of fake material, take donations for a good cause, flake on the cause (but keep many of the donations) and then rag on me for selling *accurately described material*...just shove off. You've done more harm to this community on your own than most others have been able to manage in the past fifteen years. Jason I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time. On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM, wanderings...@wanderingstarmeteorites.com wrote: Its Commonly known meteorites from India are illegal without export permits, but yet Suligiri and now Katol is offered by many IMCA members for sale. Guess the meteorite police, IMCA member and seller of this (Katol) Jason Utas needs to add himself to his blacklist for selling illegal meteorites! Question is, where is the IMCA to take action against jason for illegally exporting or receiving these for sale? Greg C, Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit From: Me Teor m3t30r1t3...@gmail.com Date: Sat, July 14, 2012 11:39 am To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Dear Shawn You are absolutely correct. It is illegal
Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
Dear Shawn You are absolutely correct. It is illegal to collect meteorites in India. And meteorites are government property. The authority for this is the Geological Survey of India. And as far as I know, they never trade or deal with any individuals or private institutions. There cannot be any export papers as export is banned. Although I wonder how having a export paper or certificate helps ? If a specimen is up for sale, it is definitely out of the country and has been exported. By the way does anyone have a analysis report on this new find ? M.E. On 14-Jul-2012, at 3:32 AM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Listers, From my understanding, meteorites that fell or are found after 1885 in India would be forwarded to the Government Geological Museum which would take over possession of the meteorite? If so, how is Katol exempt from this, or was Katol sold by the Museum? For those who have gotten some of this meteorite fall, will their meteorites come with export papers like how Canadian falls are handled? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
Commonly known meteorites from India are illegal without export permits, but yet Suligiri and now Katol is offered by many IMCA members. Guess the meteorite police, IMCA member and seller of this Jason Utas needs to add himself to his blacklist for selling illegal meteorites! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites - Original Message - From: Me Teor m3t30r1t3...@gmail.com To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Dear Shawn You are absolutely correct. It is illegal to collect meteorites in India. And meteorites are government property. The authority for this is the Geological Survey of India. And as far as I know, they never trade or deal with any individuals or private institutions. There cannot be any export papers as export is banned. Although I wonder how having a export paper or certificate helps ? If a specimen is up for sale, it is definitely out of the country and has been exported. By the way does anyone have a analysis report on this new find ? M.E. On 14-Jul-2012, at 3:32 AM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Listers, From my understanding, meteorites that fell or are found after 1885 in India would be forwarded to the Government Geological Museum which would take over possession of the meteorite? If so, how is Katol exempt from this, or was Katol sold by the Museum? For those who have gotten some of this meteorite fall, will their meteorites come with export papers like how Canadian falls are handled? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
Its Commonly known meteorites from India are illegal without export permits, but yet Suligiri and now Katol is offered by many IMCA members for sale. Guess the meteorite police, IMCA member and seller of this (Katol) Jason Utas needs to add himself to his blacklist for selling illegal meteorites! Question is, where is the IMCA to take action against jason for illegally exporting or receiving these for sale? Greg C, Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit From: Me Teor m3t30r1t3...@gmail.com Date: Sat, July 14, 2012 11:39 am To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Dear Shawn You are absolutely correct. It is illegal to collect meteorites in India. And meteorites are government property. The authority for this is the Geological Survey of India. And as far as I know, they never trade or deal with any individuals or private institutions. There cannot be any export papers as export is banned. Although I wonder how having a export paper or certificate helps ? If a specimen is up for sale, it is definitely out of the country and has been exported. By the way does anyone have a analysis report on this new find ? M.E. On 14-Jul-2012, at 3:32 AM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Listers, From my understanding, meteorites that fell or are found after 1885 in India would be forwarded to the Government Geological Museum which would take over possession of the meteorite? If so, how is Katol exempt from this, or was Katol sold by the Museum? For those who have gotten some of this meteorite fall, will their meteorites come with export papers like how Canadian falls are handled? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
Hello Greg, The gall you must have to pass on thousands of dollars of fake material, take donations for a good cause, flake on the cause (but keep many of the donations) and then rag on me for selling *accurately described material*...just shove off. You've done more harm to this community on your own than most others have been able to manage in the past fifteen years. Jason I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time. On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM, wanderings...@wanderingstarmeteorites.com wrote: Its Commonly known meteorites from India are illegal without export permits, but yet Suligiri and now Katol is offered by many IMCA members for sale. Guess the meteorite police, IMCA member and seller of this (Katol) Jason Utas needs to add himself to his blacklist for selling illegal meteorites! Question is, where is the IMCA to take action against jason for illegally exporting or receiving these for sale? Greg C, Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit From: Me Teor m3t30r1t3...@gmail.com Date: Sat, July 14, 2012 11:39 am To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Dear Shawn You are absolutely correct. It is illegal to collect meteorites in India. And meteorites are government property. The authority for this is the Geological Survey of India. And as far as I know, they never trade or deal with any individuals or private institutions. There cannot be any export papers as export is banned. Although I wonder how having a export paper or certificate helps ? If a specimen is up for sale, it is definitely out of the country and has been exported. By the way does anyone have a analysis report on this new find ? M.E. On 14-Jul-2012, at 3:32 AM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Listers, From my understanding, meteorites that fell or are found after 1885 in India would be forwarded to the Government Geological Museum which would take over possession of the meteorite? If so, how is Katol exempt from this, or was Katol sold by the Museum? For those who have gotten some of this meteorite fall, will their meteorites come with export papers like how Canadian falls are handled? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
1. You know more then well I was told it was Mifflin. I FULLY REFUNDED EVERYONE. Case closed. YOU can shove off I had several still not return material to me even though they were refunded..., including Mike Cottingham, and John Helm. 2. I spent several thousand of my money to try to open the museum. It failed. What can I say? I tried... Again, you can shove off 3. I have returned EVERYTHING donated minus one person who I have talked to about it. YOU did nothing yet run your mouth... again, shove off... 4. WHAT I DID/DO DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT THAT YOU SELLING ILLEGALLY EXPORTED MATERIAL AND KNOW AS MUCH!!! I didnt know about the mifflin, you know the laws about this, and choose to ignore it! your comments are pathetic. YOU are breaking international laws, and are an IMCA member to boot... Where is the IMCA right now when you are selling ILLEGALLY EXPORTED METEORITES? What are they going to do with you breaking numerous IMCA rules? ANYONE from the IMCA care to comment or will they remain quite as that usually do when one of the good ol boys break the rules? Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites - Original Message - From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Hello Greg, The gall you must have to pass on thousands of dollars of fake material, take donations for a good cause, flake on the cause (but keep many of the donations) and then rag on me for selling *accurately described material*...just shove off. You've done more harm to this community on your own than most others have been able to manage in the past fifteen years. Jason I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time. On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM, wanderings...@wanderingstarmeteorites.com wrote: Its Commonly known meteorites from India are illegal without export permits, but yet Suligiri and now Katol is offered by many IMCA members for sale. Guess the meteorite police, IMCA member and seller of this (Katol) Jason Utas needs to add himself to his blacklist for selling illegal meteorites! Question is, where is the IMCA to take action against jason for illegally exporting or receiving these for sale? Greg C, Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit From: Me Teor m3t30r1t3...@gmail.com Date: Sat, July 14, 2012 11:39 am To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Dear Shawn You are absolutely correct. It is illegal to collect meteorites in India. And meteorites are government property. The authority for this is the Geological Survey of India. And as far as I know, they never trade or deal with any individuals or private institutions. There cannot be any export papers as export is banned. Although I wonder how having a export paper or certificate helps ? If a specimen is up for sale, it is definitely out of the country and has been exported. By the way does anyone have a analysis report on this new find ? M.E. On 14-Jul-2012, at 3:32 AM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Listers, From my understanding, meteorites that fell or are found after 1885 in India would be forwarded to the Government Geological Museum which would take over possession of the meteorite? If so, how is Katol exempt from this, or was Katol sold by the Museum? For those who have gotten some of this meteorite fall, will their meteorites come with export papers like how Canadian falls are handled? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives
Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
Greg, Like your NWA's (maybe from Algeria), Camel Donga (no export permit) and Almahata Sitta (possibly legal at best) on ebay -- to say nothing of everyone's Sulagiri and most of the Canyon Diablo on the market today? How about those Sikhote's you're offering? Exported before Russia cracked down on exports, I take it? Please. I can name several people who donated to your museum who you still haven't refunded. There's a difference between cheating people and offering a new meteorite for sale, but I wouldn't expect you to see the difference. Keep attacking me, and me alone. We all know what's going on here. Jason On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. You know more then well I was told it was Mifflin. I FULLY REFUNDED EVERYONE. Case closed. YOU can shove off I had several still not return material to me even though they were refunded..., including Mike Cottingham, and John Helm. 2. I spent several thousand of my money to try to open the museum. It failed. What can I say? I tried... Again, you can shove off 3. I have returned EVERYTHING donated minus one person who I have talked to about it. YOU did nothing yet run your mouth... again, shove off... 4. WHAT I DID/DO DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT THAT YOU SELLING ILLEGALLY EXPORTED MATERIAL AND KNOW AS MUCH!!! I didnt know about the mifflin, you know the laws about this, and choose to ignore it! your comments are pathetic. YOU are breaking international laws, and are an IMCA member to boot... Where is the IMCA right now when you are selling ILLEGALLY EXPORTED METEORITES? What are they going to do with you breaking numerous IMCA rules? ANYONE from the IMCA care to comment or will they remain quite as that usually do when one of the good ol boys break the rules? Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites - Original Message - From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Hello Greg, The gall you must have to pass on thousands of dollars of fake material, take donations for a good cause, flake on the cause (but keep many of the donations) and then rag on me for selling *accurately described material*...just shove off. You've done more harm to this community on your own than most others have been able to manage in the past fifteen years. Jason I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time. On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM, wanderings...@wanderingstarmeteorites.com wrote: Its Commonly known meteorites from India are illegal without export permits, but yet Suligiri and now Katol is offered by many IMCA members for sale. Guess the meteorite police, IMCA member and seller of this (Katol) Jason Utas needs to add himself to his blacklist for selling illegal meteorites! Question is, where is the IMCA to take action against jason for illegally exporting or receiving these for sale? Greg C, Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit From: Me Teor m3t30r1t3...@gmail.com Date: Sat, July 14, 2012 11:39 am To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Dear Shawn You are absolutely correct. It is illegal to collect meteorites in India. And meteorites are government property. The authority for this is the Geological Survey of India. And as far as I know, they never trade or deal with any individuals or private institutions. There cannot be any export papers as export is banned. Although I wonder how having a export paper or certificate helps ? If a specimen is up for sale, it is definitely out of the country and has been exported. By the way does anyone have a analysis report on this new find ? M.E. On 14-Jul-2012, at 3:32 AM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Listers, From my understanding, meteorites that fell or are found after 1885 in India would be forwarded to the Government Geological Museum which would take over possession of the meteorite? If so, how is Katol exempt from this, or was Katol sold by the Museum? For those who have gotten some of this meteorite fall, will their meteorites come with export papers like how Canadian falls are handled? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http
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I am not attacking you by any means. Not like your blacklist website you have. I am simply pointing out the IMCA has FAILED to police its own members and allow them to sell illegal meteorites! I got my Almahatta Sitta from Anne Black, IMCA VP... Talk to her about the legal issues of it as she sold it to me. My NWAs are not from Algeria FYI... Please lets name some names and make it clear that there is ALOT of illegal meteorites being sold by IMCA members and the group has failed to clean house for the violations of the code of ethics they swear by so much! Again, this is not about me, this is about YOU and other IMCA members breaking the IMCAs rules and ethics codes and the lack of enforcement the IMCA is showing. Lets be honest, you crucify me for a failed museum I tried to open while YOU ARE SELLING STOLEN METEORITES!! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites - Original Message - From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Greg, Like your NWA's (maybe from Algeria), Camel Donga (no export permit) and Almahata Sitta (possibly legal at best) on ebay -- to say nothing of everyone's Sulagiri and most of the Canyon Diablo on the market today? How about those Sikhote's you're offering? Exported before Russia cracked down on exports, I take it? Please. I can name several people who donated to your museum who you still haven't refunded. There's a difference between cheating people and offering a new meteorite for sale, but I wouldn't expect you to see the difference. Keep attacking me, and me alone. We all know what's going on here. Jason On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. You know more then well I was told it was Mifflin. I FULLY REFUNDED EVERYONE. Case closed. YOU can shove off I had several still not return material to me even though they were refunded..., including Mike Cottingham, and John Helm. 2. I spent several thousand of my money to try to open the museum. It failed. What can I say? I tried... Again, you can shove off 3. I have returned EVERYTHING donated minus one person who I have talked to about it. YOU did nothing yet run your mouth... again, shove off... 4. WHAT I DID/DO DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT THAT YOU SELLING ILLEGALLY EXPORTED MATERIAL AND KNOW AS MUCH!!! I didnt know about the mifflin, you know the laws about this, and choose to ignore it! your comments are pathetic. YOU are breaking international laws, and are an IMCA member to boot... Where is the IMCA right now when you are selling ILLEGALLY EXPORTED METEORITES? What are they going to do with you breaking numerous IMCA rules? ANYONE from the IMCA care to comment or will they remain quite as that usually do when one of the good ol boys break the rules? Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites - Original Message - From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Hello Greg, The gall you must have to pass on thousands of dollars of fake material, take donations for a good cause, flake on the cause (but keep many of the donations) and then rag on me for selling *accurately described material*...just shove off. You've done more harm to this community on your own than most others have been able to manage in the past fifteen years. Jason I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time. On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM, wanderings...@wanderingstarmeteorites.com wrote: Its Commonly known meteorites from India are illegal without export permits, but yet Suligiri and now Katol is offered by many IMCA members for sale. Guess the meteorite police, IMCA member and seller of this (Katol) Jason Utas needs to add himself to his blacklist for selling illegal meteorites! Question is, where is the IMCA to take action against jason for illegally exporting or receiving these for sale? Greg C, Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit From: Me Teor m3t30r1t3...@gmail.com Date: Sat, July 14, 2012 11:39 am To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Dear Shawn You are absolutely correct. It is illegal to collect meteorites in India. And meteorites are government property. The authority for this is the Geological Survey of India. And as far as I know, they never trade or deal with any
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Ditto Michael. Your personal beef with me and the IMCA for booting you is sad, but you screwed up in a large way, multiple times. Way to brush off the topic of unreturned museum donations yet again. Almahata Sitta was issued an export permit by the University of Khartoum. Whether that is legal in the eyes of the government there is open to debate. Either way, the pot's calling the kettle black. These meteorites were not stolen. As you say, case closed. Jason On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: I am not attacking you by any means. Not like your blacklist website you have. I am simply pointing out the IMCA has FAILED to police its own members and allow them to sell illegal meteorites! I got my Almahatta Sitta from Anne Black, IMCA VP... Talk to her about the legal issues of it as she sold it to me. My NWAs are not from Algeria FYI... Please lets name some names and make it clear that there is ALOT of illegal meteorites being sold by IMCA members and the group has failed to clean house for the violations of the code of ethics they swear by so much! Again, this is not about me, this is about YOU and other IMCA members breaking the IMCAs rules and ethics codes and the lack of enforcement the IMCA is showing. Lets be honest, you crucify me for a failed museum I tried to open while YOU ARE SELLING STOLEN METEORITES!! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites - Original Message - From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Greg, Like your NWA's (maybe from Algeria), Camel Donga (no export permit) and Almahata Sitta (possibly legal at best) on ebay -- to say nothing of everyone's Sulagiri and most of the Canyon Diablo on the market today? How about those Sikhote's you're offering? Exported before Russia cracked down on exports, I take it? Please. I can name several people who donated to your museum who you still haven't refunded. There's a difference between cheating people and offering a new meteorite for sale, but I wouldn't expect you to see the difference. Keep attacking me, and me alone. We all know what's going on here. Jason On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. You know more then well I was told it was Mifflin. I FULLY REFUNDED EVERYONE. Case closed. YOU can shove off I had several still not return material to me even though they were refunded..., including Mike Cottingham, and John Helm. 2. I spent several thousand of my money to try to open the museum. It failed. What can I say? I tried... Again, you can shove off 3. I have returned EVERYTHING donated minus one person who I have talked to about it. YOU did nothing yet run your mouth... again, shove off... 4. WHAT I DID/DO DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT THAT YOU SELLING ILLEGALLY EXPORTED MATERIAL AND KNOW AS MUCH!!! I didnt know about the mifflin, you know the laws about this, and choose to ignore it! your comments are pathetic. YOU are breaking international laws, and are an IMCA member to boot... Where is the IMCA right now when you are selling ILLEGALLY EXPORTED METEORITES? What are they going to do with you breaking numerous IMCA rules? ANYONE from the IMCA care to comment or will they remain quite as that usually do when one of the good ol boys break the rules? Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites - Original Message - From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Hello Greg, The gall you must have to pass on thousands of dollars of fake material, take donations for a good cause, flake on the cause (but keep many of the donations) and then rag on me for selling *accurately described material*...just shove off. You've done more harm to this community on your own than most others have been able to manage in the past fifteen years. Jason I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time. On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM, wanderings...@wanderingstarmeteorites.com wrote: Its Commonly known meteorites from India are illegal without export permits, but yet Suligiri and now Katol is offered by many IMCA members for sale. Guess the meteorite police, IMCA member and seller of this (Katol) Jason Utas needs to add himself to his blacklist for selling illegal meteorites! Question is, where is the IMCA to take action against
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Is nobody else finding this discussion a little bit tedious? Would it not be a bit more adult to bicker in private, and then make the outcome public (if absolutely necessary)? Jay Tate The Spaceguard Centre __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Jason, Greg, and all, 2 very important facts to remember at all times: - IMCA Board Members are not required to sit in front of their computers 24/7, just in case someone has a question or a problem. We are allowed to have a life. - Anything the IMCA Board decides to say or do will be said or done in PRIVATE. And only in Private. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, Jul 14, 2012 5:13 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Ditto Michael. Your personal beef with me and the IMCA for booting you is sad, but you screwed up in a large way, multiple times. Way to brush off the topic of unreturned museum donations yet again. Almahata Sitta was issued an export permit by the University of Khartoum. Whether that is legal in the eyes of the government there is open to debate. Either way, the pot's calling the kettle black. These meteorites were not stolen. As you say, case closed. Jason On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: I am not attacking you by any means. Not like your blacklist website you have. I am simply pointing out the IMCA has FAILED to police its own members and allow them to sell illegal meteorites! I got my Almahatta Sitta from Anne Black, IMCA VP... Talk to her about the legal issues of it as she sold it to me. My NWAs are not from Algeria FYI... Please lets name some names and make it clear that there is ALOT of illegal meteorites being sold by IMCA members and the group has failed to clean house for the violations of the code of ethics they swear by so much! Again, this is not about me, this is about YOU and other IMCA members breaking the IMCAs rules and ethics codes and the lack of enforcement the IMCA is showing. Lets be honest, you crucify me for a failed museum I tried to open while YOU ARE SELLING STOLEN METEORITES!! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites - Original Message - From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Greg, Like your NWA's (maybe from Algeria), Camel Donga (no export permit) and Almahata Sitta (possibly legal at best) on ebay -- to say nothing of everyone's Sulagiri and most of the Canyon Diablo on the market today? How about those Sikhote's you're offering? Exported before Russia cracked down on exports, I take it? Please. I can name several people who donated to your museum who you still haven't refunded. There's a difference between cheating people and offering a new meteorite for sale, but I wouldn't expect you to see the difference. Keep attacking me, and me alone. We all know what's going on here. Jason On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. You know more then well I was told it was Mifflin. I FULLY REFUNDED EVERYONE. Case closed. YOU can shove off I had several still not return material to me even though they were refunded..., including Mike Cottingham, and John Helm. 2. I spent several thousand of my money to try to open the museum. It failed. What can I say? I tried... Again, you can shove off 3. I have returned EVERYTHING donated minus one person who I have talked to about it. YOU did nothing yet run your mouth... again, shove off... 4. WHAT I DID/DO DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT THAT YOU SELLING ILLEGALLY EXPORTED MATERIAL AND KNOW AS MUCH!!! I didnt know about the mifflin, you know the laws about this, and choose to ignore it! your comments are pathetic. YOU are breaking international laws, and are an IMCA member to boot... Where is the IMCA right now when you are selling ILLEGALLY EXPORTED METEORITES? What are they going to do with you breaking numerous IMCA rules? ANYONE from the IMCA care to comment or will they remain quite as that usually do when one of the good ol boys break the rules? Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites - Original Message - From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Hello Greg, The gall you must have to pass on thousands of dollars of fake material, take donations for a good cause, flake on the cause (but keep many of the donations) and then rag on me for selling *accurately described material*...just shove off. You've done more harm
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So.. are you saying The IMCA only publicly denounce a persons actions if the person is NOT a memeber of the IMCA. Otherwise they hide the shameful actions of their members? YOU yourself publicly slammed me some time ago while I was a member and it got reactions from other members, some who offered to buy the entire board the Roberts rule of order manual which you guys turned down... its a shame you did, you may have learned something. I have learned from my mistakes, you obviously have not. Jason has openly admitted to selling this without proper export permits... please tell me about your email to me saying the reason I was kicked out was due to me importing buzzard coulee without a permit? I still have the emails and will share to ANYONE who wants to see... the Official reason I am not longer a member per your board was due to Buzzard Coulee import while the permits where still in process (which I ended up getting!) tell me I am wrong and I will post the email publicly! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites From: Anne Black impact...@aol.com To: jasonu...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Hello Jason, Greg, and all, 2 very important facts to remember at all times: - IMCA Board Members are not required to sit in front of their computers 24/7, just in case someone has a question or a problem. We are allowed to have a life. - Anything the IMCA Board decides to say or do will be said or done in PRIVATE. And only in Private. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, Jul 14, 2012 5:13 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Ditto Michael. Your personal beef with me and the IMCA for booting you is sad, but you screwed up in a large way, multiple times. Way to brush off the topic of unreturned museum donations yet again. Almahata Sitta was issued an export permit by the University of Khartoum. Whether that is legal in the eyes of the government there is open to debate. Either way, the pot's calling the kettle black. These meteorites were not stolen. As you say, case closed. Jason On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: I am not attacking you by any means. Not like your blacklist website you have. I am simply pointing out the IMCA has FAILED to police its own members and allow them to sell illegal meteorites! I got my Almahatta Sitta from Anne Black, IMCA VP... Talk to her about the legal issues of it as she sold it to me. My NWAs are not from Algeria FYI... Please lets name some names and make it clear that there is ALOT of illegal meteorites being sold by IMCA members and the group has failed to clean house for the violations of the code of ethics they swear by so much! Again, this is not about me, this is about YOU and other IMCA members breaking the IMCAs rules and ethics codes and the lack of enforcement the IMCA is showing. Lets be honest, you crucify me for a failed museum I tried to open while YOU ARE SELLING STOLEN METEORITES!! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites - Original Message - From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Greg, Like your NWA's (maybe from Algeria), Camel Donga (no export permit) and Almahata Sitta (possibly legal at best) on ebay -- to say nothing of everyone's Sulagiri and most of the Canyon Diablo on the market today? How about those Sikhote's you're offering? Exported before Russia cracked down on exports, I take it? Please. I can name several people who donated to your museum who you still haven't refunded. There's a difference between cheating people and offering a new meteorite for sale, but I wouldn't expect you to see the difference. Keep attacking me, and me alone. We all know what's going on here. Jason On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. You know more then well I was told it was Mifflin. I FULLY REFUNDED EVERYONE. Case closed. YOU can shove off I had several still not return material to me even though they were refunded..., including Mike Cottingham, and John Helm. 2. I spent several thousand of my money to try to open the museum. It failed. What can I say? I tried... Again
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Perhaps the job of the IMCA is not to police the world's laws, but to ensure authenticity, which is what it was set up to do. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 14, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. You know more then well I was told it was Mifflin. I FULLY REFUNDED EVERYONE. Case closed. YOU can shove off I had several still not return material to me even though they were refunded..., including Mike Cottingham, and John Helm. 2. I spent several thousand of my money to try to open the museum. It failed. What can I say? I tried... Again, you can shove off 3. I have returned EVERYTHING donated minus one person who I have talked to about it. YOU did nothing yet run your mouth... again, shove off... 4. WHAT I DID/DO DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT THAT YOU SELLING ILLEGALLY EXPORTED MATERIAL AND KNOW AS MUCH!!! I didnt know about the mifflin, you know the laws about this, and choose to ignore it! your comments are pathetic. YOU are breaking international laws, and are an IMCA member to boot... Where is the IMCA right now when you are selling ILLEGALLY EXPORTED METEORITES? What are they going to do with you breaking numerous IMCA rules? ANYONE from the IMCA care to comment or will they remain quite as that usually do when one of the good ol boys break the rules? Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites - Original Message - From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Hello Greg, The gall you must have to pass on thousands of dollars of fake material, take donations for a good cause, flake on the cause (but keep many of the donations) and then rag on me for selling *accurately described material*...just shove off. You've done more harm to this community on your own than most others have been able to manage in the past fifteen years. Jason I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time. On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM, wanderings...@wanderingstarmeteorites.com wrote: Its Commonly known meteorites from India are illegal without export permits, but yet Suligiri and now Katol is offered by many IMCA members for sale. Guess the meteorite police, IMCA member and seller of this (Katol) Jason Utas needs to add himself to his blacklist for selling illegal meteorites! Question is, where is the IMCA to take action against jason for illegally exporting or receiving these for sale? Greg C, Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit From: Me Teor m3t30r1t3...@gmail.com Date: Sat, July 14, 2012 11:39 am To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Dear Shawn You are absolutely correct. It is illegal to collect meteorites in India. And meteorites are government property. The authority for this is the Geological Survey of India. And as far as I know, they never trade or deal with any individuals or private institutions. There cannot be any export papers as export is banned. Although I wonder how having a export paper or certificate helps ? If a specimen is up for sale, it is definitely out of the country and has been exported. By the way does anyone have a analysis report on this new find ? M.E. On 14-Jul-2012, at 3:32 AM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Listers, From my understanding, meteorites that fell or are found after 1885 in India would be forwarded to the Government Geological Museum which would take over possession of the meteorite? If so, how is Katol exempt from this, or was Katol sold by the Museum? For those who have gotten some of this meteorite fall, will their meteorites come with export papers like how Canadian falls are handled? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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As not an IMCA member, I watch this discussion with a focused ear. Optimism for any outcome is a good direction to aim. Relatively new to this forum (just a few years on the List...although maybe it's way more, I'm aging) I find it both interesting, sometimes painful and sometimes comical to watch the drama. Normally I delete-delete-delete the banter, unless it is a discussion that warrants merrit. I never delete the science This one ranks along the painful lines, because it seems to me that disputes of legit authenticity, pedigree authenticity questions, legality of import, etc on-and-on can be best resolved privately until and unless there is a threat to all of us. Of course, the last caviat may be important, but lets hope not. -Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Anne Black impact...@aol.com To: jasonu...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Hello Jason, Greg, and all, 2 very important facts to remember at all times: - IMCA Board Members are not required to sit in front of their computers 24/7, just in case someone has a question or a problem. We are allowed to have a life. - Anything the IMCA Board decides to say or do will be said or done in PRIVATE. And only in Private. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, Jul 14, 2012 5:13 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Ditto Michael. Your personal beef with me and the IMCA for booting you is sad, but you screwed up in a large way, multiple times. Way to brush off the topic of unreturned museum donations yet again. Almahata Sitta was issued an export permit by the University of Khartoum. Whether that is legal in the eyes of the government there is open to debate. Either way, the pot's calling the kettle black. These meteorites were not stolen. As you say, case closed. Jason On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: I am not attacking you by any means. Not like your blacklist website you have. I am simply pointing out the IMCA has FAILED to police its own members and allow them to sell illegal meteorites! I got my Almahatta Sitta from Anne Black, IMCA VP... Talk to her about the legal issues of it as she sold it to me. My NWAs are not from Algeria FYI... Please lets name some names and make it clear that there is ALOT of illegal meteorites being sold by IMCA members and the group has failed to clean house for the violations of the code of ethics they swear by so much! Again, this is not about me, this is about YOU and other IMCA members breaking the IMCAs rules and ethics codes and the lack of enforcement the IMCA is showing. Lets be honest, you crucify me for a failed museum I tried to open while YOU ARE SELLING STOLEN METEORITES!! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites - Original Message - From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Greg, Like your NWA's (maybe from Algeria), Camel Donga (no export permit) and Almahata Sitta (possibly legal at best) on ebay -- to say nothing of everyone's Sulagiri and most of the Canyon Diablo on the market today? How about those Sikhote's you're offering? Exported before Russia cracked down on exports, I take it? Please. I can name several people who donated to your museum who you still haven't refunded. There's a difference between cheating people and offering a new meteorite for sale, but I wouldn't expect you to see the difference. Keep attacking me, and me alone. We all know what's going on here. Jason On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. You know more then well I was told it was Mifflin. I FULLY REFUNDED EVERYONE. Case closed. YOU can shove off I had several still not return material to me even though they were refunded..., including Mike Cottingham, and John Helm. 2. I spent several thousand of my money to try to open the museum. It failed. What can I say? I tried... Again, you can shove off 3. I have returned EVERYTHING donated minus one person who I have talked to about it. YOU did nothing yet run your mouth... again, shove off... 4. WHAT I DID/DO DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT THAT YOU SELLING ILLEGALLY EXPORTED MATERIAL AND KNOW AS MUCH!!! I didnt know about the mifflin, you know the laws about this, and choose to ignore it! your comments are pathetic. YOU are breaking international
Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
A follow-up to clarify...I echo MF's perspective. -RM - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Cc: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Perhaps the job of the IMCA is not to police the world's laws, but to ensure authenticity, which is what it was set up to do. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 14, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. You know more then well I was told it was Mifflin. I FULLY REFUNDED EVERYONE. Case closed. YOU can shove off I had several still not return material to me even though they were refunded..., including Mike Cottingham, and John Helm. 2. I spent several thousand of my money to try to open the museum. It failed. What can I say? I tried... Again, you can shove off 3. I have returned EVERYTHING donated minus one person who I have talked to about it. YOU did nothing yet run your mouth... again, shove off... 4. WHAT I DID/DO DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT THAT YOU SELLING ILLEGALLY EXPORTED MATERIAL AND KNOW AS MUCH!!! I didnt know about the mifflin, you know the laws about this, and choose to ignore it! your comments are pathetic. YOU are breaking international laws, and are an IMCA member to boot... Where is the IMCA right now when you are selling ILLEGALLY EXPORTED METEORITES? What are they going to do with you breaking numerous IMCA rules? ANYONE from the IMCA care to comment or will they remain quite as that usually do when one of the good ol boys break the rules? Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites - Original Message - From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Hello Greg, The gall you must have to pass on thousands of dollars of fake material, take donations for a good cause, flake on the cause (but keep many of the donations) and then rag on me for selling *accurately described material*...just shove off. You've done more harm to this community on your own than most others have been able to manage in the past fifteen years. Jason I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time. On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM, wanderings...@wanderingstarmeteorites.com wrote: Its Commonly known meteorites from India are illegal without export permits, but yet Suligiri and now Katol is offered by many IMCA members for sale. Guess the meteorite police, IMCA member and seller of this (Katol) Jason Utas needs to add himself to his blacklist for selling illegal meteorites! Question is, where is the IMCA to take action against jason for illegally exporting or receiving these for sale? Greg C, Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit From: Me Teor m3t30r1t3...@gmail.com Date: Sat, July 14, 2012 11:39 am To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Dear Shawn You are absolutely correct. It is illegal to collect meteorites in India. And meteorites are government property. The authority for this is the Geological Survey of India. And as far as I know, they never trade or deal with any individuals or private institutions. There cannot be any export papers as export is banned. Although I wonder how having a export paper or certificate helps ? If a specimen is up for sale, it is definitely out of the country and has been exported. By the way does anyone have a analysis report on this new find ? M.E. On 14-Jul-2012, at 3:32 AM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Listers, From my understanding, meteorites that fell or are found after 1885 in India would be forwarded to the Government Geological Museum which would take over possession of the meteorite? If so, how is Katol exempt from this, or was Katol sold by the Museum? For those who have gotten some of this meteorite fall, will their meteorites come with export papers like how Canadian falls are handled? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo
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Sorry Richard but this an endemic issue that will always be viewed with a turned head. What bothers me the most is the fact that it get's ignored in relation to who is involved. I don't really care who sells an illegal rock unless it's an imca member who is sworn to the uphold the truth.. like anyone really cares about the imca. The perpetrator rolls the dice. I do get disgusted when the people who preach about it all backslide into their own bs. Many have preached and done the contrary. Check the archives. I can accept opportunists and leaches as long as they're up front about it, as long as they don't get in my way From: rickm...@earthlink.net To: m...@meteoriteguy.com; star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 20:32:35 -0700 CC: jasonu...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit A follow-up to clarify...I echo MF's perspective. -RM - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Cc: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Perhaps the job of the IMCA is not to police the world's laws, but to ensure authenticity, which is what it was set up to do. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jul 14, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. You know more then well I was told it was Mifflin. I FULLY REFUNDED EVERYONE. Case closed. YOU can shove off I had several still not return material to me even though they were refunded..., including Mike Cottingham, and John Helm. 2. I spent several thousand of my money to try to open the museum. It failed. What can I say? I tried... Again, you can shove off 3. I have returned EVERYTHING donated minus one person who I have talked to about it. YOU did nothing yet run your mouth... again, shove off... 4. WHAT I DID/DO DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT THAT YOU SELLING ILLEGALLY EXPORTED MATERIAL AND KNOW AS MUCH!!! I didnt know about the mifflin, you know the laws about this, and choose to ignore it! your comments are pathetic. YOU are breaking international laws, and are an IMCA member to boot... Where is the IMCA right now when you are selling ILLEGALLY EXPORTED METEORITES? What are they going to do with you breaking numerous IMCA rules? ANYONE from the IMCA care to comment or will they remain quite as that usually do when one of the good ol boys break the rules? Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites - Original Message - From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit Hello Greg, The gall you must have to pass on thousands of dollars of fake material, take donations for a good cause, flake on the cause (but keep many of the donations) and then rag on me for selling *accurately described material*...just shove off. You've done more harm to this community on your own than most others have been able to manage in the past fifteen years. Jason I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time. On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM, wanderings...@wanderingstarmeteorites.com wrote: Its Commonly known meteorites from India are illegal without export permits, but yet Suligiri and now Katol is offered by many IMCA members for sale. Guess the meteorite police, IMCA member and seller of this (Katol) Jason Utas needs to add himself to his blacklist for selling illegal meteorites! Question is, where is the IMCA to take action against jason for illegally exporting or receiving these for sale? Greg C, Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit From: Me Teor m3t30r1t3...@gmail.com Date: Sat, July 14, 2012 11:39 am To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Dear Shawn You are absolutely correct. It is illegal to collect meteorites in India. And meteorites are government property. The authority for this is the Geological Survey of India. And as far as I know, they never trade or deal with any individuals or private institutions. There cannot be any export papers as export is banned. Although I wonder how having a export paper or certificate helps ? If a specimen is up for sale, it is definitely out of the country and has been exported. By the way does anyone have a analysis report on this new find ? M.E
[meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
Hello Listers, From my understanding, meteorites that fell or are found after 1885 in India would be forwarded to the Government Geological Museum which would take over possession of the meteorite? If so, how is Katol exempt from this, or was Katol sold by the Museum? For those who have gotten some of this meteorite fall, will their meteorites come with export papers like how Canadian falls are handled? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
