Re: [meteorite-list] Please edit messages
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:23:25 -0700, you wrote: Heck, I didn't know any better - every email I've ever seen has the old email on bottom. I guess I missed that net-etiquette class at the Uni. I always start at the top and when I reply to several things, I reply below each point - I guess I use the over under or compound method. :-) I think most people on the list are like me, they're fairly new to newsgroups, mailing lists, etc. (I'm so green I don't know the difference between all the different kinds of groups). So I think it's going to happen for some It isn't a HUGE deal, at least to me, unless someone goes out of their way to make it a huge deal. Which is why I was sure to say that MILITANT top-posters get killfiled-- that class of posters who always make a point of mentioning (or even focusing on) in every post how superior they are for top-posting and how anyone who doesn't top-post is an idiot (and there are more than just a handful of those). If it is an otherwise normal poster who just happens to top-post, I cope. But it does screw with the flow of the thread. Follow this link for more on the topic: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=top+posting __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Darren Garrison wrote: Top posting is generally looked on rather negatively. I never thought about there being any existing protocol (i.e., my ignorance), but I use Netscape for mail and have for about eight years. In Netscape, top posting is the default setting for replies. I just used it as it came. What about other mail programs? Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sterling and list, I actually think it is better to have the most recent message at the top as the most pertinent information for that post would be what you see first. If you didn't see the earlier posts then you can scroll down to read them. Thomas H. Webb --- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren Garrison wrote: Top posting is generally looked on rather negatively. I never thought about there being any existing protocol (i.e., my ignorance), but I use Netscape for mail and have for about eight years. In Netscape, top posting is the default setting for replies. I just used it as it came. What about other mail programs? Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Thomas and All- I agree. With top posting there is no need for editing. If a review of the last message is desired, it is very quick to scroll down a few lines. If no such review is needed, top posting is all the quicker. Bob - Original Message - From: Thomas Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Please edit messages Sterling and list, I actually think it is better to have the most recent message at the top as the most pertinent information for that post would be what you see first. If you didn't see the earlier posts then you can scroll down to read them. Thomas H. Webb --- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren Garrison wrote: Top posting is generally looked on rather negatively. I never thought about there being any existing protocol (i.e., my ignorance), but I use Netscape for mail and have for about eight years. In Netscape, top posting is the default setting for replies. I just used it as it came. What about other mail programs? Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I've never seen this subject come up here. I think it's because there are so many more interesting subjects and an abundance of info. to distract from such a meaningless topic. Who cares? Bill -- Original message -- From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:23:25 -0700, you wrote: Heck, I didn't know any better - every email I've ever seen has the old email on bottom. I guess I missed that net-etiquette class at the Uni. I always start at the top and when I reply to several things, I reply below each point - I guess I use the over under or compound method. :-) I think most people on the list are like me, they're fairly new to newsgroups, mailing lists, etc. (I'm so green I don't know the difference between all the different kinds of groups). So I think it's going to happen for some It isn't a HUGE deal, at least to me, unless someone goes out of their way to make it a huge deal. Which is why I was sure to say that MILITANT top-posters get killfiled-- that class of posters who always make a point of mentioning (or even focusing on) in every post how superior they are for top-posting and how anyone who doesn't top-post is an idiot (and there are more than just a handful of those). If it is an otherwise normal poster who just happens to top-post, I cope. But it does screw with the flow of the thread. Follow this link for more on the topic: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=top+posting __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I do not know how this all got started, but I just checked the list rules and there is no mention of message editing or top posting or anything on this topic. So why all the fuss? Top posting is nice and I like to be able to scroll down to see what was last said, but this whole topic is against list rules! See rule #1. Here is the link to the rules. http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing_list.shtml Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Please edit messages I've never seen this subject come up here. I think it's because there are so many more interesting subjects and an abundance of info. to distract from such a meaningless topic. Who cares? Bill -- Original message -- From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:23:25 -0700, you wrote: Heck, I didn't know any better - every email I've ever seen has the old email on bottom. I guess I missed that net-etiquette class at the Uni. I always start at the top and when I reply to several things, I reply below each point - I guess I use the over under or compound method. :-) I think most people on the list are like me, they're fairly new to newsgroups, mailing lists, etc. (I'm so green I don't know the difference between all the different kinds of groups). So I think it's going to happen for some It isn't a HUGE deal, at least to me, unless someone goes out of their way to make it a huge deal. Which is why I was sure to say that MILITANT top-posters get killfiled-- that class of posters who always make a point of mentioning (or even focusing on) in every post how superior they are for top-posting and how anyone who doesn't top-post is an idiot (and there are more than just a handful of those). If it is an otherwise normal poster who just happens to top-post, I cope. But it does screw with the flow of the thread. Follow this link for more on the topic: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=top+posting __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear Bob, and Thomas, I agree! Dave F. snowbound Bob Holmes wrote: Thomas and All- I agree. With top posting there is no need for editing. If a review of the last message is desired, it is very quick to scroll down a few lines. If no such review is needed, top posting is all the quicker. Bob - Original Message - From: Thomas Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Please edit messages Sterling and list, I actually think it is better to have the most recent message at the top as the most pertinent information for that post would be what you see first. If you didn't see the earlier posts then you can scroll down to read them. Thomas H. Webb --- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren Garrison wrote: Top posting is generally looked on rather negatively. I never thought about there being any existing protocol (i.e., my ignorance), but I use Netscape for mail and have for about eight years. In Netscape, top posting is the default setting for replies. I just used it as it came. What about other mail programs? Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sterling and list, I've been using Eudora in one of it's varied forms as my email program for going on ten years. Like Netscape, the reply default for Eudora is the top of the page. Personally, I like the top posting replies so I don't have to scroll down through all previous posts to read the current one. JKGwilliam At 09:07 AM 1/4/2005, Sterling K. Webb wrote: Darren Garrison wrote: Top posting is generally looked on rather negatively. I never thought about there being any existing protocol (i.e., my ignorance), but I use Netscape for mail and have for about eight years. In Netscape, top posting is the default setting for replies. I just used it as it came. What about other mail programs? Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Mark and all, I think my point at the near beginning of this thread, (just using you as example for the others and not putting anyone down here) was if I quote you with what you have to say, then you quote me along with what I have to say and someone else comes in and quotes the whole mess again, etc., etc., you end up with old quoted information and end up putting the old quotes (which may no longer be even relevant to the current reply) dozens or more times on the list which is a waste of band width. I don't really care and it isn't a big issue but to make reading through the emails easier, why not just quote what is relevant to your (our) posts and not let the quotes compound to the point of being ridiculous. Best! --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:32:24 -0700, you wrote: information. Then you have the pain of scrolling down... It doesn't matter What kind of mice do all of you use? I ask because I see so many mentions of the pain of scrolling. I would think, though, that all but the very cheapest mice today comes with the scroll-wheel middle button. Scrolling to the bottom of a message require the extreme exertion of bending my middle finger by around 10-20 degrees (or less, depending on the length of quoted text). The work of a fraction of a second. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Perhaps this link will help: http://www.digital-web.com/articles/how_to_write_effective_mailing_list_email/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Darren wrote: snip I see so many mentions of the pain of scrolling. snip The work of a fraction of a second. I think the problem is when you have 3 or dozens of previous messages attached above the bottom post. Not the fault of the bottom post - just poor editing in general. Mark wrote: But now that I think about it, it was only when there was a ridiculous amount of info on top of the new information. I should have wrote it better: When there was a ridiculous amount of text [I would notice the bottom post] and be annoyed by it. I usually view the list with a preview pane in Outlook Express so I can quickly go thorough a thread. That is until I come to a bottom post (at least a long one). That is what I meant when I said Then you have the pain of scrolling down I have to move from the messages to the preview pane and scroll through the message - as you said not too much trouble. I have read through some of the net etiquette sites and I do think bottom posting does seems to work better. I think any method will work as long as people keep it short (though bottom posting will make editing and replying to points easier). Again, thanks for pointing this out. I'm sure I have come off as really rude in the past. I could still be doing other things, like maybe have weird importance or message priority settings/flags on my emails or using capitals, etc. I guess that's the price of so many people getting online w/o much training. Keep pointing this stuff out when you see it. I try to keep off topic stuff OFF LIST and apologize if this stuff is annoying people. Boy USC is killing OU (55 to 10)! I normally wouldn't care, but I heard a guy on the radio boasting that USC was going to get creamed. Ha! He'll be eating crow tomorrow... Goodnight all - hope you find a new fall on the front porch tomorrow! Mark -- Mark Bowling Vail, AZ I.M.C.A. #6645 o(:-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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All, Al has provided a perfect example. Put your response FIRST, followed by the edited post. Most of us follow the conversation, so we've read the previous post. Most annoying to have to scroll thru a previously read post just to read a one line response below. glenmore From: AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:38:06 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Please edit messages Hi Ron and all, I agree with you on hitting the reply button and sending it all. I tend to use old information only when I think it is relevant to the post I __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:07:09 -0800, you wrote: All, Al has provided a perfect example. Put your response FIRST, followed by the edited post. Most of us follow the conversation, so we've read the previous post. Most annoying to have to scroll thru a previously read post just to read a one line response below. Top posting is generally looked on rather negatively. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Darren, Why? glenmore From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:22:11 -0500 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Please edit messages Top posting is generally looked on rather negatively. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:36:13 -0800, you wrote: From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:22:11 -0500 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Please edit messages Top posting is generally looked on rather negatively. Darren, Why? Because the reason for quoting threads is to give a snippet of the ongoing conversation as a refresher and to show what information you are replying to. For instance, I had to edit this post and add your response to the bottom so that the flow of the thread will be correct. And ESPECIALLY when you want to respond to more than one point in a post do you need to quote the line you are responding to and then reply below it. You wouldn't bunch the answers to several items together at the very top without context while leaving the questions bunched at the bottom, would you? Well, then you shouldn't when answering ONE question-- the difference is in number only, not in type. And if you make the assumption that everyone knows what you are replying to, then there is no point in quoting anything at all. I don't know about the long-term etiquitte on this mailing list (as I haven't subscribed for very long) but I have been on Usenet newsgroups for going on a decade now. And in Usenet, militant top-posters go in my killfile. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Darren Garrison wrote: I don't know about the long-term etiquitte on this mailing list (as I haven't subscribed for very long) but I have been on Usenet newsgroups for going on a decade now. And in Usenet, militant top-posters go in my killfile. The etiquette of this list is poor -- and it's probably not going to change much. You have to be more like a gold miner here: sift through the ore to find the gold. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear Darren and Jonathan; That is the real gold in the list, sifting through the ore to find the gold, no one likes a lazy miner!! DF Jonathan Gore wrote: Darren Garrison wrote: I don't know about the long-term etiquitte on this mailing list (as I haven't subscribed for very long) but I have been on Usenet newsgroups for going on a decade now. And in Usenet, militant top-posters go in my killfile. The etiquette of this list is poor -- and it's probably not going to change much. You have to be more like a gold miner here: sift through the ore to find the gold. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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David Freeman wrote: Dear Darren and Jonathan; That is the real gold in the list, sifting through the ore to find the gold, no one likes a lazy miner!! Yeah, trying to find the gold can be much more gratifying than the gold itself. (Hint, hint about James Knudson's recent posts.) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I am new to this list, but not to lists in general (I am an ancient coin collector and dealer and belong to ancient coin lists). As exemplified by the most recent posts, could folks please edit their emails, ridding them of superfluous old information, instead of just hitting the reply button? I'm trying to come up to speed on not only the tone and tenor of this list, but on meteorities in general, and it is really tough and time-wasteful having to wade through extraneous information. Thanks. Ron Bude Sent via the WebMail system at mail.vcoins.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear Ron; Welcome to the list! Although you have a brilliant idea, don't expect to change much here. What you see is what you get mostly. It would be appropriate if you put us up some directions to editing, as I for one never completed editing 101 and can not cut and paste the specific lines in an email either. Thanks for your help, Dave Freeman mjwy Ron Bude wrote: I am new to this list, but not to lists in general (I am an ancient coin collector and dealer and belong to ancient coin lists). As exemplified by the most recent posts, could folks please edit their emails, ridding them of superfluous old information, instead of just hitting the reply button? I'm trying to come up to speed on not only the tone and tenor of this list, but on meteorities in general, and it is really tough and time-wasteful having to wade through extraneous information. Thanks. Ron Bude Sent via the WebMail system at mail.vcoins.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Ron and all, I agree with you on hitting the reply button and sending it all. I tend to use old information only when I think it is relevant to the post I make and to keep people from having to search and read what I am replying to on a message. I have cut the parts of your message that are not relevant in this case. Depending on your email software, you can hit reply, then hold your left hand mouse button down (or shift key and use the down key) and scroll down highlighting what you want to cut and leaving what you want to post. Then you can place your mouse cursor on the highlighted area and use the right hand button on the mouse to cut or delete unwanted parts. No doubt some will have hard time figuring out what I am saying here due to different software. Re-posting old data is a big waste of bandwidth unless it is a quote from a part that helps with your post. Bernd does splendid job of using only what is necessary. This wasn't related to meteorites but can save lots of unnecessary old post data and a reasonable post to my thinking. Good luck. --AL Mitterling Ron Bude wrote: As exemplified by the most recent posts, could folold information, instead of just hitting the reply button? I'm trying to come up to speed on not only the tone and tenor of this list, but on meteorities in general, Ron Bude __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
