Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Interesting... I didn't know there was a lunar world record slice contest. I mean 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm of NWA 5000 would be nice to have. But there are many other meteorite slices or whole slices that make the 1,116.78 look like token. Also its seem this record is for whole slice, a slice is a slice :) I wonder what is the world record slice :) I have seen some beautiful Brenham slices at Bonhams auctions and those suckers were big. Any whos, if the slice is cute to make it smaller, then wouldn't it make the world record void? At any rate, I wish I had that in my collection :) great job. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1 http://meteoritefalls.com/ From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello Adam, Your statements confuse me. At what point is a slice no longer a slice, but a slab, and at which point does later subdivision of a slice/slab render it not worthwhile to record the original slice/slab's weight for purposes of deeming it a record-breaking cut? It seems like you're using a very specific definition of complete slice to deem this a record-breaking event. Though, not knowing the weight of the largest slice/slab of 61016 (or other lunar samples), I find such proclamations...odd. As to who cares? -- apparently you do, since you're making the claims. I'm all for publicity, but if one's going to make claims regarding quantitative numbers, one should be able to back them up -- and probably have the weights of the largest previously cut Apollo sample slices/slabs on hand to support it. Eyeing a photo and saying it looks like it weighs less doesn't quite cut it. I can speak for Marlin's fine work, and have no doubt he did a fine job on the slices. But that's beside the point. Regards, Jason http://www.fallsandfinds.com/ On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Jason, I looked at the link and what you are calling a complete slice is a slab. If we are going for the world record slab cut, then Marlin still has it. The largest slab cut from NWA 5000 was as follows: 3,538 grams 238mm X 219mm X 52mm Of course, this slab was subdivided into five of the worlds largest Lunar complete slices which was the intent from the beginning. Just like NASA always intended to subdivide the 61016 slab for testing. I would estimate the 61016 slab to be less than half the size and weight of the NWA 5000 slab that Marlin produced. Who cares? Marlin did a wonderful preparation job and is to be commended on a new world record! Adam - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/61016.pdf I don't know how much the largest slabs of Apollo material weigh(ed), but they were/are sizable. And I don't even know if the huge slabs in the above document were/are the largest they cut. This isn't my project, so I don't feel particularly inclined to ask NASA how large their largest slices of lunar material weigh(ed). Either way the old record probably goes to NASA. Marlin could hold a new record having cut a 1.1 kg slice, but that's questionable given the photos in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason http://www.fallsandfinds.com/ On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get you started and I can share more as time allows... http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html The sequence of slices liberated from the original 11.528 kilo mass start with CS1 (the 'Ambassador' slice), then CS2, CS3, and so forth to CS6. The slice on today's Meteorite Picture of the Day is CS3. Side 'b' of each slice goes deeper into the mass and the surface area of the slices become even larger than the previous slice. The 483.89 gram 'Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks' slice will start its world tour at the 2013 Ensisheim Show this Friday and continue on to the Sainte Marie aux Mines show if it is still available. I will also be bringing a selection of smaller slices that are gorgeous! If you are going to the Ensisheim Show, or are still contemplating it, this complete slice of NWA 5000 looks incredibly better in person
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
We are talking about a Moon rock here and yes, there are official world records involved. 1,116.78 grams, a token? What planet are you from? Dislodged pieces of the Moon are the most coveted of all according to the Smithsonian. Most Americans consider the NASA Apollo collection of Moon rocks more valuable than the gold in Fort Knox. I think they represent one of mans greatest achievements and are a national treasure but this is just my opinion. Some may think the missions to the Moon were just trivial and the rocks brought back are just tokens. Adam - Original Message - From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com; Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Interesting... I didn't know there was a lunar world record slice contest. I mean 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm of NWA 5000 would be nice to have. But there are many other meteorite slices or whole slices that make the 1,116.78 look like token. Also its seem this record is for whole slice, a slice is a slice :) I wonder what is the world record slice :) I have seen some beautiful Brenham slices at Bonhams auctions and those suckers were big. Any whos, if the slice is cute to make it smaller, then wouldn't it make the world record void? At any rate, I wish I had that in my collection :) great job. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1 http://meteoritefalls.com/ From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello Adam, Your statements confuse me. At what point is a slice no longer a slice, but a slab, and at which point does later subdivision of a slice/slab render it not worthwhile to record the original slice/slab's weight for purposes of deeming it a record-breaking cut? It seems like you're using a very specific definition of complete slice to deem this a record-breaking event. Though, not knowing the weight of the largest slice/slab of 61016 (or other lunar samples), I find such proclamations...odd. As to who cares? -- apparently you do, since you're making the claims. I'm all for publicity, but if one's going to make claims regarding quantitative numbers, one should be able to back them up -- and probably have the weights of the largest previously cut Apollo sample slices/slabs on hand to support it. Eyeing a photo and saying it looks like it weighs less doesn't quite cut it. I can speak for Marlin's fine work, and have no doubt he did a fine job on the slices. But that's beside the point. Regards, Jason http://www.fallsandfinds.com/ On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Jason, I looked at the link and what you are calling a complete slice is a slab. If we are going for the world record slab cut, then Marlin still has it. The largest slab cut from NWA 5000 was as follows: 3,538 grams 238mm X 219mm X 52mm Of course, this slab was subdivided into five of the worlds largest Lunar complete slices which was the intent from the beginning. Just like NASA always intended to subdivide the 61016 slab for testing. I would estimate the 61016 slab to be less than half the size and weight of the NWA 5000 slab that Marlin produced. Who cares? Marlin did a wonderful preparation job and is to be commended on a new world record! Adam - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/61016.pdf I don't know how much the largest slabs of Apollo material weigh(ed), but they were/are sizable. And I don't even know if the huge slabs in the above document were/are the largest they cut. This isn't my project, so I don't feel particularly inclined to ask NASA how large their largest slices of lunar material weigh(ed). Either way the old record probably goes to NASA. Marlin could hold a new record having cut a 1.1 kg slice, but that's questionable given the photos in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason http://www.fallsandfinds.com/ On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Woah, rude and condescending. I don't think I've ever told anyone that a public list post 'wasn't their business.' Anyway, I'd like to point out the following: 1) Since you're claiming a record based on the difference between the two (a slice versus a slab), a formal definition must be made. E.g. a slice becomes a slab when the thickness becomes __% of the specimen's cross-sectional area. Or something like that. If you don't even know what criteria define a slice, you can't reasonably claim that someone made the largest one. Which is clear when you consider the obvious: Marlin may hold a 'larger record,' having cut a larger/thicker slice in the past. Or a NASA technician might hold the record, from a slice/slab cut in the 70's, or later. Which brings me to my next point. 2) Since we're talking about the largest slice ever *cut,* later subdivision shouldn't matter. Cutting a slice is a technical operation, the difficulty of which is not altered by later subdivision of the specimen. If we're talking about the largest slice *in existence,* that's a different record. 3) The definition of the record also relies upon the definition of largest. You've made it clear that NWA 5000 is less dense than the Apollo sample in question, so your self-serving definition of largest relies upon the surface area of a slice, not its weight. Meteorites' value is most often determined by their weight, so this seems a little odd to me. I'm glad you were able to find and state (later) that the slice cut from NWA 5000 is currently, definitively thicker than the one cut from Apollo sample 61016. New information is always nice. That said, the dimensions you quote are the current ones, so one would need to look into the largest slice/slab ever *cut* at NASA, if that's what the record is for. Either way, Marlin would hold the record for cutting the 3kg slice (not the 1.1 kg slice) if he does hold the record. You might as well be fair about it. 4) Shawn makes a fair point that is somewhat tangential; cutting a large pallasite, iron, or chondrite is probably more difficult, rendering this an odd record to make note of. While lunar slabs of a kilo or two may not be common, meteorite slices of this size are abundant. I wouldn't necessarily call one of them a token, but a Campo slab of that size or weight would probably cost hundreds of dollars, and would be a more difficult cutting and preparation job. And then there are the Fukang, Seymchan, Mundrabilla, and Cape York slices, often in excess of a meter in at least one dimension. Much more difficult to do. Seems like a publicity stunt to me, which I have no problem with, but you should probably iron out the details first. Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: We are talking about a Moon rock here and yes, there are official world records involved. 1,116.78 grams, a token? What planet are you from? Dislodged pieces of the Moon are the most coveted of all according to the Smithsonian. Most Americans consider the NASA Apollo collection of Moon rocks more valuable than the gold in Fort Knox. I think they represent one of mans greatest achievements and are a national treasure but this is just my opinion. Some may think the missions to the Moon were just trivial and the rocks brought back are just tokens. Adam - Original Message - From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com To: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com; Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Interesting... I didn't know there was a lunar world record slice contest. I mean 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm of NWA 5000 would be nice to have. But there are many other meteorite slices or whole slices that make the 1,116.78 look like token. Also its seem this record is for whole slice, a slice is a slice :) I wonder what is the world record slice :) I have seen some beautiful Brenham slices at Bonhams auctions and those suckers were big. Any whos, if the slice is cute to make it smaller, then wouldn't it make the world record void? At any rate, I wish I had that in my collection :) great job. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1 http://meteoritefalls.com/ From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello Adam, Your statements confuse me. At what point is a slice no longer a slice, but a slab, and at which point does later subdivision of a slice/slab render it not worthwhile to record the original slice/slab's weight for purposes of deeming it a record-breaking cut
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I hate to break this news. I have a slab of Al-Haggounia that measures 6-feet by 14-feet in overall dimensions and is 9 inches thick at it's thickest point. It weighs 900 pounds. I am currently using it as a patio deck outside my apartment. These paltry lunar thumbnails pale in comparison. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone Blog - http://www.galactic-stone.com/blog - On 6/17/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Don't worry about it Jason. It is not your concern. Let the qualified record-tracking personal in England deal with it. A world record has been set and is locked in.. The slab from 61016 was only 20 mm thick and was cut into sections immediately for studying cosmic ray tracks. The initial slab for NWA 5000 was more than twice as thick at 52mm. What don't you understand? I did my research, Now it is time for you to grow up and do your own research instead of commenting on things you now nothing about. Do you like to argue for the sake of arguing? Please don't answer because I want no further communications with you! I find it to be a complete waste of time Over and Out, Good Bye, Adam - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello Adam, Your statements confuse me. At what point is a slice no longer a slice, but a slab, and at which point does later subdivision of a slice/slab render it not worthwhile to record the original slice/slab's weight for purposes of deeming it a record-breaking cut? It seems like you're using a very specific definition of complete slice to deem this a record-breaking event. Though, not knowing the weight of the largest slice/slab of 61016 (or other lunar samples), I find such proclamations...odd. As to who cares? -- apparently you do, since you're making the claims. I'm all for publicity, but if one's going to make claims regarding quantitative numbers, one should be able to back them up -- and probably have the weights of the largest previously cut Apollo sample slices/slabs on hand to support it. Eyeing a photo and saying it looks like it weighs less doesn't quite cut it. I can speak for Marlin's fine work, and have no doubt he did a fine job on the slices. But that's beside the point. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Jason, I looked at the link and what you are calling a complete slice is a slab. If we are going for the world record slab cut, then Marlin still has it. The largest slab cut from NWA 5000 was as follows: 3,538 grams 238mm X 219mm X 52mm Of course, this slab was subdivided into five of the worlds largest Lunar complete slices which was the intent from the beginning. Just like NASA always intended to subdivide the 61016 slab for testing. I would estimate the 61016 slab to be less than half the size and weight of the NWA 5000 slab that Marlin produced. Who cares? Marlin did a wonderful preparation job and is to be commended on a new world record! Adam - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/61016.pdf I don't know how much the largest slabs of Apollo material weigh(ed), but they were/are sizable. And I don't even know if the huge slabs in the above document were/are the largest they cut. This isn't my project, so I don't feel particularly inclined to ask NASA how large their largest slices of lunar material weigh(ed). Either way the old record probably goes to NASA. Marlin could hold a new record having cut a 1.1 kg slice, but that's questionable given the photos in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get you started and I can share more as time allows... http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html The sequence of slices liberated from the original
[meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
The Apollo rocks are not meteorites, so perhaps the new NWA 5000 slices are the largest lunar meteorite slices to date. Paul Swartz MPOD Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Lets not cloud the issue here with facts. We have to keep these nonsense arguments going full steam ahead.That's what meteorite list was intended for is all about %95 of the time. Richard Lipke - Original Message - The Apollo rocks are not meteorites, so perhaps the new NWA 5000 slices are the largest lunar meteorite slices to date. Paul Swartz MPOD Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
A big congratulations should go out to Marlin Cilz who prepared five new NWA 5000 complete slices. He broke a world record which I previously held for 5-1/2 years for preparing the single complete slice known as the Ambassador. I never disclosed the record while I held it but it is for producing the world's largest Moon rock slice. It is doubtful that anybody will break Marlin's new record anytime soon, The record.is: NWA 5000 Complete Slice: 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm My brother, Greg and I would have never had Marlin produce a slice this big hadn't it been for a custom order. Marlin did a world class job of preparing these slices and I wanted to thank him publicly. Adam Hupe The Hupe Planetary Collection From: valpar...@aol.com valpar...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 5000 Contributed by: Greg and Adam Hupe http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Hi Adam, I think I speak for many on the List when I say this : PHOTOS! And LOTS of them. Every angle. High-res. Close-ups of interesting clasts. Inquiring minds wanna see eye candy. :) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone Blog - http://www.galactic-stone.com/blog - On 6/17/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: A big congratulations should go out to Marlin Cilz who prepared five new NWA 5000 complete slices. He broke a world record which I previously held for 5-1/2 years for preparing the single complete slice known as the Ambassador. I never disclosed the record while I held it but it is for producing the world's largest Moon rock slice. It is doubtful that anybody will break Marlin's new record anytime soon, The record.is: NWA 5000 Complete Slice: 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm My brother, Greg and I would have never had Marlin produce a slice this big hadn't it been for a custom order. Marlin did a world class job of preparing these slices and I wanted to thank him publicly. Adam Hupe The Hupe Planetary Collection From: valpar...@aol.com valpar...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 5000 Contributed by: Greg and Adam Hupe http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get you started and I can share more as time allows... http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html The sequence of slices liberated from the original 11.528 kilo mass start with CS1 (the 'Ambassador' slice), then CS2, CS3, and so forth to CS6. The slice on today's Meteorite Picture of the Day is CS3. Side 'b' of each slice goes deeper into the mass and the surface area of the slices become even larger than the previous slice. The 483.89 gram 'Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks' slice will start its world tour at the 2013 Ensisheim Show this Friday and continue on to the Sainte Marie aux Mines show if it is still available. I will also be bringing a selection of smaller slices that are gorgeous! If you are going to the Ensisheim Show, or are still contemplating it, this complete slice of NWA 5000 looks incredibly better in person as attempts to capture its beauty by mere photos are very difficult. I hope to see you all there! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:06 PM To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hi Adam, I think I speak for many on the List when I say this : PHOTOS! And LOTS of them. Every angle. High-res. Close-ups of interesting clasts. Inquiring minds wanna see eye candy. :) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone Blog - http://www.galactic-stone.com/blog - On 6/17/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: A big congratulations should go out to Marlin Cilz who prepared five new NWA 5000 complete slices. He broke a world record which I previously held for 5-1/2 years for preparing the single complete slice known as the Ambassador. I never disclosed the record while I held it but it is for producing the world's largest Moon rock slice. It is doubtful that anybody will break Marlin's new record anytime soon, The record.is: NWA 5000 Complete Slice: 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm My brother, Greg and I would have never had Marlin produce a slice this big hadn't it been for a custom order. Marlin did a world class job of preparing these slices and I wanted to thank him publicly. Adam Hupe The Hupe Planetary Collection From: valpar...@aol.com valpar...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 5000 Contributed by: Greg and Adam Hupe http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/61016.pdf I don't know how much the largest slabs of Apollo material weigh(ed), but they were/are sizable. And I don't even know if the huge slabs in the above document were/are the largest they cut. This isn't my project, so I don't feel particularly inclined to ask NASA how large their largest slices of lunar material weigh(ed). Either way the old record probably goes to NASA. Marlin could hold a new record having cut a 1.1 kg slice, but that's questionable given the photos in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get you started and I can share more as time allows... http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html The sequence of slices liberated from the original 11.528 kilo mass start with CS1 (the 'Ambassador' slice), then CS2, CS3, and so forth to CS6. The slice on today's Meteorite Picture of the Day is CS3. Side 'b' of each slice goes deeper into the mass and the surface area of the slices become even larger than the previous slice. The 483.89 gram 'Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks' slice will start its world tour at the 2013 Ensisheim Show this Friday and continue on to the Sainte Marie aux Mines show if it is still available. I will also be bringing a selection of smaller slices that are gorgeous! If you are going to the Ensisheim Show, or are still contemplating it, this complete slice of NWA 5000 looks incredibly better in person as attempts to capture its beauty by mere photos are very difficult. I hope to see you all there! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:06 PM To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hi Adam, I think I speak for many on the List when I say this : PHOTOS! And LOTS of them. Every angle. High-res. Close-ups of interesting clasts. Inquiring minds wanna see eye candy. :) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone Blog - http://www.galactic-stone.com/blog - On 6/17/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: A big congratulations should go out to Marlin Cilz who prepared five new NWA 5000 complete slices. He broke a world record which I previously held for 5-1/2 years for preparing the single complete slice known as the Ambassador. I never disclosed the record while I held it but it is for producing the world's largest Moon rock slice. It is doubtful that anybody will break Marlin's new record anytime soon, The record.is: NWA 5000 Complete Slice: 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm My brother, Greg and I would have never had Marlin produce a slice this big hadn't it been for a custom order. Marlin did a world class job of preparing these slices and I wanted to thank him publicly. Adam Hupe The Hupe Planetary Collection From: valpar...@aol.com valpar...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 5000 Contributed by: Greg and Adam Hupe http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Jason, Please do not rain on Marlin's parade. He set a world record, clear and simple! I did my research before contacting Guinness as you should before commenting. No complete complete slice was taken from Apollo sample 61016 which was physically smaller than NWA 5000 due to density. There was only a couple hundred gram weight difference between the two to begin with. NWA 5000 had around a 400 gram gabbro clast etched out of the side that was facing the prevailing Saharan wind. Take this into account and NWA 5000 was and still is physically larger than 61016,7. I consulted the astromaterial curator at NASA, went into the Lunar vault in Houston and took a picture of the very sample you suggest holds the record so I know what I am talking about. The NWA 5000 Main Mass still weighs more the NASA sample 61016,7 by 148 grams! If you would have done your own research, NASA has a 3D cutting map of the sample 61016. Adam . - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/61016.pdf I don't know how much the largest slabs of Apollo material weigh(ed), but they were/are sizable. And I don't even know if the huge slabs in the above document were/are the largest they cut. This isn't my project, so I don't feel particularly inclined to ask NASA how large their largest slices of lunar material weigh(ed). Either way the old record probably goes to NASA. Marlin could hold a new record having cut a 1.1 kg slice, but that's questionable given the photos in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get you started and I can share more as time allows... http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html The sequence of slices liberated from the original 11.528 kilo mass start with CS1 (the 'Ambassador' slice), then CS2, CS3, and so forth to CS6. The slice on today's Meteorite Picture of the Day is CS3. Side 'b' of each slice goes deeper into the mass and the surface area of the slices become even larger than the previous slice. The 483.89 gram 'Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks' slice will start its world tour at the 2013 Ensisheim Show this Friday and continue on to the Sainte Marie aux Mines show if it is still available. I will also be bringing a selection of smaller slices that are gorgeous! If you are going to the Ensisheim Show, or are still contemplating it, this complete slice of NWA 5000 looks incredibly better in person as attempts to capture its beauty by mere photos are very difficult. I hope to see you all there! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:06 PM To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hi Adam, I think I speak for many on the List when I say this : PHOTOS! And LOTS of them. Every angle. High-res. Close-ups of interesting clasts. Inquiring minds wanna see eye candy. :) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone Blog - http://www.galactic-stone.com/blog - On 6/17/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: A big congratulations should go out to Marlin Cilz who prepared five new NWA 5000 complete slices. He broke a world record which I previously held for 5-1/2 years for preparing the single complete slice known as the Ambassador. I never disclosed the record while I held it but it is for producing the world's largest Moon rock slice. It is doubtful that anybody will break Marlin's new record anytime soon, The record.is: NWA 5000 Complete Slice: 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm My brother, Greg and I would have never had Marlin
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Jason, I looked at the link and what you are calling a complete slice is a slab. If we are going for the world record slab cut, then Marlin still has it. The largest slab cut from NWA 5000 was as follows: 3,538 grams 238mm X 219mm X 52mm Of course, this slab was subdivided into five of the worlds largest Lunar complete slices which was the intent from the beginning. Just like NASA always intended to subdivide the 61016 slab for testing. I would estimate the 61016 slab to be less than half the size and weight of the NWA 5000 slab that Marlin produced. Who cares? Marlin did a wonderful preparation job and is to be commended on a new world record! Adam - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/61016.pdf I don't know how much the largest slabs of Apollo material weigh(ed), but they were/are sizable. And I don't even know if the huge slabs in the above document were/are the largest they cut. This isn't my project, so I don't feel particularly inclined to ask NASA how large their largest slices of lunar material weigh(ed). Either way the old record probably goes to NASA. Marlin could hold a new record having cut a 1.1 kg slice, but that's questionable given the photos in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get you started and I can share more as time allows... http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html The sequence of slices liberated from the original 11.528 kilo mass start with CS1 (the 'Ambassador' slice), then CS2, CS3, and so forth to CS6. The slice on today's Meteorite Picture of the Day is CS3. Side 'b' of each slice goes deeper into the mass and the surface area of the slices become even larger than the previous slice. The 483.89 gram 'Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks' slice will start its world tour at the 2013 Ensisheim Show this Friday and continue on to the Sainte Marie aux Mines show if it is still available. I will also be bringing a selection of smaller slices that are gorgeous! If you are going to the Ensisheim Show, or are still contemplating it, this complete slice of NWA 5000 looks incredibly better in person as attempts to capture its beauty by mere photos are very difficult. I hope to see you all there! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:06 PM To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hi Adam, I think I speak for many on the List when I say this : PHOTOS! And LOTS of them. Every angle. High-res. Close-ups of interesting clasts. Inquiring minds wanna see eye candy. :) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone Blog - http://www.galactic-stone.com/blog - On 6/17/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: A big congratulations should go out to Marlin Cilz who prepared five new NWA 5000 complete slices. He broke a world record which I previously held for 5-1/2 years for preparing the single complete slice known as the Ambassador. I never disclosed the record while I held it but it is for producing the world's largest Moon rock slice. It is doubtful that anybody will break Marlin's new record anytime soon, The record.is: NWA 5000 Complete Slice: 1,116.78 grams - 238mm X 218mm X 14mm My brother, Greg and I would have never had Marlin produce a slice this big hadn't it been for a custom order. Marlin did a world class job of preparing these slices and I wanted to thank him publicly. Adam Hupe The Hupe Planetary Collection From: valpar...@aol.com
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Hello Adam, Your statements confuse me. At what point is a slice no longer a slice, but a slab, and at which point does later subdivision of a slice/slab render it not worthwhile to record the original slice/slab's weight for purposes of deeming it a record-breaking cut? It seems like you're using a very specific definition of complete slice to deem this a record-breaking event. Though, not knowing the weight of the largest slice/slab of 61016 (or other lunar samples), I find such proclamations...odd. As to who cares? -- apparently you do, since you're making the claims. I'm all for publicity, but if one's going to make claims regarding quantitative numbers, one should be able to back them up -- and probably have the weights of the largest previously cut Apollo sample slices/slabs on hand to support it. Eyeing a photo and saying it looks like it weighs less doesn't quite cut it. I can speak for Marlin's fine work, and have no doubt he did a fine job on the slices. But that's beside the point. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Jason, I looked at the link and what you are calling a complete slice is a slab. If we are going for the world record slab cut, then Marlin still has it. The largest slab cut from NWA 5000 was as follows: 3,538 grams 238mm X 219mm X 52mm Of course, this slab was subdivided into five of the worlds largest Lunar complete slices which was the intent from the beginning. Just like NASA always intended to subdivide the 61016 slab for testing. I would estimate the 61016 slab to be less than half the size and weight of the NWA 5000 slab that Marlin produced. Who cares? Marlin did a wonderful preparation job and is to be commended on a new world record! Adam - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/61016.pdf I don't know how much the largest slabs of Apollo material weigh(ed), but they were/are sizable. And I don't even know if the huge slabs in the above document were/are the largest they cut. This isn't my project, so I don't feel particularly inclined to ask NASA how large their largest slices of lunar material weigh(ed). Either way the old record probably goes to NASA. Marlin could hold a new record having cut a 1.1 kg slice, but that's questionable given the photos in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get you started and I can share more as time allows... http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html The sequence of slices liberated from the original 11.528 kilo mass start with CS1 (the 'Ambassador' slice), then CS2, CS3, and so forth to CS6. The slice on today's Meteorite Picture of the Day is CS3. Side 'b' of each slice goes deeper into the mass and the surface area of the slices become even larger than the previous slice. The 483.89 gram 'Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks' slice will start its world tour at the 2013 Ensisheim Show this Friday and continue on to the Sainte Marie aux Mines show if it is still available. I will also be bringing a selection of smaller slices that are gorgeous! If you are going to the Ensisheim Show, or are still contemplating it, this complete slice of NWA 5000 looks incredibly better in person as attempts to capture its beauty by mere photos are very difficult. I hope to see you all there! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:06 PM To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hi Adam, I think I speak for many on the List when I say this : PHOTOS! And LOTS of them. Every angle. High-res. Close-ups of interesting clasts. Inquiring minds wanna see eye candy. :) Best regards, MikeG
Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz!
Don't worry about it Jason. It is not your concern. Let the qualified record-tracking personal in England deal with it. A world record has been set and is locked in.. The slab from 61016 was only 20 mm thick and was cut into sections immediately for studying cosmic ray tracks. The initial slab for NWA 5000 was more than twice as thick at 52mm. What don't you understand? I did my research, Now it is time for you to grow up and do your own research instead of commenting on things you now nothing about. Do you like to argue for the sake of arguing? Please don't answer because I want no further communications with you! I find it to be a complete waste of time Over and Out, Good Bye, Adam - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello Adam, Your statements confuse me. At what point is a slice no longer a slice, but a slab, and at which point does later subdivision of a slice/slab render it not worthwhile to record the original slice/slab's weight for purposes of deeming it a record-breaking cut? It seems like you're using a very specific definition of complete slice to deem this a record-breaking event. Though, not knowing the weight of the largest slice/slab of 61016 (or other lunar samples), I find such proclamations...odd. As to who cares? -- apparently you do, since you're making the claims. I'm all for publicity, but if one's going to make claims regarding quantitative numbers, one should be able to back them up -- and probably have the weights of the largest previously cut Apollo sample slices/slabs on hand to support it. Eyeing a photo and saying it looks like it weighs less doesn't quite cut it. I can speak for Marlin's fine work, and have no doubt he did a fine job on the slices. But that's beside the point. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Jason, I looked at the link and what you are calling a complete slice is a slab. If we are going for the world record slab cut, then Marlin still has it. The largest slab cut from NWA 5000 was as follows: 3,538 grams 238mm X 219mm X 52mm Of course, this slab was subdivided into five of the worlds largest Lunar complete slices which was the intent from the beginning. Just like NASA always intended to subdivide the 61016 slab for testing. I would estimate the 61016 slab to be less than half the size and weight of the NWA 5000 slab that Marlin produced. Who cares? Marlin did a wonderful preparation job and is to be commended on a new world record! Adam - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World Record Slice Produced By Marlin Cilz! Hello All, I hate to rain on the parade, but I'd do some research before making 'record-breaking' claims. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/lsc/61016.pdf I don't know how much the largest slabs of Apollo material weigh(ed), but they were/are sizable. And I don't even know if the huge slabs in the above document were/are the largest they cut. This isn't my project, so I don't feel particularly inclined to ask NASA how large their largest slices of lunar material weigh(ed). Either way the old record probably goes to NASA. Marlin could hold a new record having cut a 1.1 kg slice, but that's questionable given the photos in the above article, if nothing else. Regards, Jason www.fallsandfinds.com On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Mike, I am glad you asked for images of the Northwest Africa 5000 complete slices, here are a few to get you started and I can share more as time allows... http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.html The sequence of slices liberated from the original 11.528 kilo mass start with CS1 (the 'Ambassador' slice), then CS2, CS3, and so forth to CS6. The slice on today's Meteorite Picture of the Day is CS3. Side 'b' of each slice goes deeper into the mass and the surface area of the slices become even larger than the previous slice. The 483.89 gram 'Mona Lisa of Moon Rocks' slice will start its world tour at the 2013 Ensisheim Show this Friday and continue on to the Sainte Marie aux Mines show if it is still available. I will also be bringing a selection of smaller slices that are gorgeous! If you are going to the Ensisheim Show, or are still contemplating it, this complete slice of NWA 5000 looks incredibly better in person as attempts to capture its beauty by mere photos
