Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment
No, I am RIGHT. If you place your maximum bid the first and only time, then you should walk away happy from the deal each and every time. If you win, you the item at YOUR price. If you lose, you may be disappointed over not getting the item, but you walk away with the satisfaction knowing that you did not spend beyond your means. BTW, I see nothing wrong with bidding in the last few seconds. It is still a valid auction. I have obtained many nice pieces this way and I have lost many nice pieces to others. Either way, I was happy with outcome because I did not spend more than what I wanted to spend. You might be irritated that you lose an auction, but what have you really lost? Besides, what is ebay supposed to do, stop an auction after a given individual bids. Other bidders don't know your maximum bid. How can you say you are the loser when you were willing to go to x amount anyway? Also, as someone else pointed out, if you have a sniper placing a bid against you at the last second, the person isn't quaranteed to win just because he or she places a bid. What happens when the sniper places his or her bid and it is below yours? It seems to me that bidders only have a problem with sniping when they lose an auction, not when they win. Only faster gunmen survive. You are making a rather large assumption, that the faster gunmen will actually hit his target. What if he misses? -Walter www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Hi Mike, Just bid your highest bid the first time and forget it. If you win, you win. If you don't, via sniping or otherwise, well you weren't going to bid any higher anyway so what difference does it make whether the other person's bid was entered 10 hours, 10 minutes, or 10 milliseconds before the auction ends? You are WRONG. Its verry importand when You place bid. exam1 If item is placed f.e. for 1$ , and in a first few days will go up to 20$ then You put f.e. 100$ your max bid 3 days before auction ends. So then many other bidders will try to outbid You and final price will grown up more or less slowly, and finally price will be f.e. 90$. You are lucky winner ? No, You are lucky looser. And many times You will return from work, log to ebay and what You see ? You are outbited and someone win Your item. Nothing more irritated. exam2 Without your early bid price is still 20$ and in the next days will not grow up in the same speed as with your bid. So finally in last 5 minutes of auction, item price will be 50$. Someone who is high bidder in last 60 seconds think that noone will place higher price, and then You come. A lone sniper, who will place his 101$ in last 20 seconds of auction. Not 100$, becouse people usualy enter prices as 50, 60, 100, 110, so to be sure you must put 51, 61, 101$. If You do this in the last 20 seconds Your bid will be entered in around 5-10seconds before auction end and THEN You will win the same item for less than 90$, becouse noone can place another bid in last 5 seconds. Your system is working, buy snipers can win the same items for smaller money. You can say, that this is not right, this is sniping etc. But this is real life like on old westerns :))) Only faster gunmen survive. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Good MorningWalter, list members. I hate to beat a dead horse at this point, but I think most ebay bidders try to get an item at the lowest possible price with no regard to what they would be willing to buy the item at a fixed sale. This is justthe way most of us conduct ourselves in an auction. Here is a perfect example: I currently have a 100 gram DOUBLE ORIENTED 100 gram Sikhote-alin on ebay that started at a penny. FourDIFFERENT bidders have placed bids and it is only up to $5.50. See item number 2249907461 if this link does not work: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2249907461 I think it is just natural for all of us to try to get the best deal possible and by budding the maximum one is willing to pay on the first bid then perhaps we feel like we are giving up our control over the situation. Just my two cents on the subject. Jim Strope421 Fourth StreetGlen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Meteoryt.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:48:13 -0400 No, I am RIGHT. If you place your maximum bid the first and only time, then you should walk away happy from the deal each and every time. If you win, you the item at YOUR price. If you lose, you may be disappointed over not getting the item, but you walk away with the satisfaction knowing that you did not spend beyond your means. BTW, I see nothing wrong with bidding in the last few seconds.It is still a valid auction.I have obtained many nice pieces this way and I have lost many nice pieces to others.Either way, I was happy with outcome because I did not spend more than what I wanted to spend. You might be irritated that you lose an auction, but what have you really lost?Besides, what is ebay supposed to do, stop an auction after a given individual bids. Other bidders don't know your maximum bid.How can you say you are the loser when you were willing to go to x amount anyway? Also, as someone else pointed out, if you have a "sniper" placing a bid against you at the last second, the person isn't quaranteed to win just because he or she places a bid. What happens when the sniper places his or her bid and it is below yours? It seems to me that bidders only have a problem with "sniping" when they lose an auction, not when they win. Only faster gunmen survive. You are making a rather large assumption, that the faster gunmen will actually hit his target.What if he misses? -Walter www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: "Meteoryt.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Hi Mike, Just bid your highest bid the first time and forget it.If you win, you win.If you don't, via sniping or otherwise, well you weren't going to bid any higher anyway so what difference does it make whether the other person's bid was entered 10 hours, 10 minutes, or 10 milliseconds before the auction ends? You are WRONG. Its verry importand when You place bid. exam1 If item is placed f.e. for 1$ , and in a first few days will go up to 20$ then You put f.e. 100$ your max bid 3 days before auction ends. So then many other bidders will try to outbid You and final price will grown up more or less slowly, and finally price will be f.e. 90$. You are lucky winner ? No, You are lucky looser. And many times You will return from work, log to ebay and what You see ? You are outbited and someone win Your item. Nothing more irritated. exam2 Without your early bid price is still 20$ and in the next days will not grow up in the same speed as with your bid. So finally in last 5 minutes of auction,item price will be 50$. Someone who is high bidder in last 60 seconds think that noone will place higher price, and then You come. A lone sniper, who will place his 101$ in last 20 seconds of auction. Not 100$, becouse people usualy enter prices as 50, 60, 100, 110, so to be sure you must put 51, 61, 101$. If You do this in the last 20 seconds Your bid will be entered in around 5-10seconds before auction end and THEN You will win the same item for less than 90$, becouse noone can place another bid in last 5 seconds. Your system is working, buy snipers can win the same items for smaller money. You can say, that this is not right, this is sniping etc. But this is real life like on old westerns :))) Only faster gunmen survive. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment
Jim and list, I agree. I always saw sniping as a stategy used to get the item for the best possible price. If I decide I am willing to spend $200 for an item and with minutes left the price is still $75 I may snipe with $200 with seconds left to see if I can get it for less then $200. If I bid the $200 with days left, it allows others to raise closer to my bid. I may still win but I may pay more then if I sniped at the end. If you don't like being sniped or think it unfair, you can use anti-snipe services. Best wishes, Charlie ---BeginMessage--- Good MorningWalter, list members. I hate to beat a dead horse at this point, but I think most ebay bidders try to get an item at the lowest possible price with no regard to what they would be willing to buy the item at a fixed sale. This is justthe way most of us conduct ourselves in an auction. Here is a perfect example: I currently have a 100 gram DOUBLE ORIENTED 100 gram Sikhote-alin on ebay that started at a penny. FourDIFFERENT bidders have placed bids and it is only up to $5.50. See item number 2249907461 if this link does not work: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2249907461 I think it is just natural for all of us to try to get the best deal possible and by budding the maximum one is willing to pay on the first bid then perhaps we feel like we are giving up our control over the situation. Just my two cents on the subject. Jim Strope421 Fourth StreetGlen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Meteoryt.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:48:13 -0400 No, I am RIGHT. If you place your maximum bid the first and only time, then you should walk away happy from the deal each and every time. If you win, you the item at YOUR price. If you lose, you may be disappointed over not getting the item, but you walk away with the satisfaction knowing that you did not spend beyond your means. BTW, I see nothing wrong with bidding in the last few seconds.It is still a valid auction.I have obtained many nice pieces this way and I have lost many nice pieces to others.Either way, I was happy with outcome because I did not spend more than what I wanted to spend. You might be irritated that you lose an auction, but what have you really lost?Besides, what is ebay supposed to do, stop an auction after a given individual bids. Other bidders don't know your maximum bid.How can you say you are the loser when you were willing to go to x amount anyway? Also, as someone else pointed out, if you have a "sniper" placing a bid against you at the last second, the person isn't quaranteed to win just because he or she places a bid. What happens when the sniper places his or her bid and it is below yours? It seems to me that bidders only have a problem with "sniping" when they lose an auction, not when they win. Only faster gunmen survive. You are making a rather large assumption, that the faster gunmen will actually hit his target.What if he misses? -Walter www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: "Meteoryt.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Hi Mike, Just bid your highest bid the first time and forget it.If you win, you win.If you don't, via sniping or otherwise, well you weren't going to bid any higher anyway so what difference does it make whether the other person's bid was entered 10 hours, 10 minutes, or 10 milliseconds before the auction ends? You are WRONG. Its verry importand when You place bid. exam1 If item is placed f.e. for 1$ , and in a first few days will go up to 20$ then You put f.e. 100$ your max bid 3 days before auction ends. So then many other bidders will try to outbid You and final price will grown up more or less slowly, and finally price will be f.e. 90$. You are lucky winner ? No, You are lucky looser. And many times You will return from work, log to ebay and what You see ? You are outbited and someone win Your item. Nothing more irritated. exam2 Without your early bid price is still 20$ and in the next days will not grow up in the same speed as with your bid. So finally in last 5 minutes of auction,item price will be 50$. Someone who is high bidder in last 60 seconds think that noone will place higher price, and then You come. A lone sniper, who will place his 101$ in last 20 seconds of auction. Not 100$, becouse people usualy enter prices as 50, 60, 100, 110, so to be sure you must put 51, 61, 101$. If You do this in the last 20 seconds Your bid
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment
I agree as well. I use sniping a good bit. But then, I don't complain when I snipe and lose (which was my point) -Walter www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Charlie Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite Central [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Jim and list, I agree. I always saw sniping as a stategy used to get the item for the best possible price. If I decide I am willing to spend $200 for an item and with minutes left the price is still $75 I may snipe with $200 with seconds left to see if I can get it for less then $200. If I bid the $200 with days left, it allows others to raise closer to my bid. I may still win but I may pay more then if I sniped at the end. If you don't like being sniped or think it unfair, you can use anti-snipe services. Best wishes, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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--snip-- you can use anti-snipe services. Best wishes, Charlie As a gold powerseller with 1500 open ebay auctions I should know these things but can somebody explain to me what an anti-snipe service is and how it works? Cheers DEAN __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yes, what is an anti-sniping service. Is the idea to overwhelm the server with incremental bids so that the snipe can't get in edgewise? Another voice in praise of sniping. I use it quite a lot and it often works... I suppose you might consider it a shock and awe tactic. It might catch other bidders off guard. But since you never know how many others will be sniping at the last minute, it's still the high bid wins. It's equivalent to saying, the action (auction) really takes place in the last half minute. Such tactics are common in live auctions too: When a bidder makes an offer without waiting for the auctioneer to call for bids. When folks jump bid, as was the case in our Tucson auction, requiring the next bidder to bid above the last increment. It doesn't always work, my jump bid in Tucson was ignored (Michael, you owe me a cup of coffee for this oversight!). (Just kidding, Michael...) Cheers, Nick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Boy, I wonder if this thread is about me... :-) I agree with Gregory on this. Bid the max you're willing to pay. Sometimes when I'm at the edge of my budget I'll pass on a few auctions. Only to find later that no other bids were placed and that the item sold way under what I would have been willing to pay. But I am usually more successful when I snipe than when I place my high bid early. That tells me that people aren't bidding at that max amount they're willing to pay. So they only have themselves to blame if they lose. Basically I think the best practice is to identify the highest you're willing to pay and snipe, if you're able, with that amount. Sniping can save you money (when people aren't placing their true max bids). Whether it's good for the seller, it can be argued either way. By sniping you can increase the final bid of the auction if the other bidders aren't bidding their max.; However, it can be demonstrated that by sniping you're aren't pushing the other bidders to bid that max amount. They may be holding back because they don't fully realize what their max bid amount really is until they're outbid. If you bid your max early on, they may run the auction up much higher to the sellers benefit (or just outbid you outright). I think that practicing max bidding using both strategies sort of balances out with regard to fairness to the seller (since one can't always be checking eBay). DO YOU SELLERS have any opinions on this? I used to think that sniping wasn't an ethical practice, but I think that if you always bid at your max and participate the conventional (pre-bid) way when you're unable to snipe, you're participating in good faith. There are problems for the sniper, some of which others have mentioned. 1) If a sniper doesn't bid with his max amount, they are at risk of being outbid. They usually can't put in an extra bid (I sometimes use the low snipe when money's tight - it rarely works, but it can stretch your money). 2) if the bid artificially high to edge out others, they can find themselves beyond their means when that (crazy) high max bid is out there... 3) they can forget to watch a particular auction and miss out. To those I may have offended/frustrated in the past: If it's any comfort, I use dial-up and have no auto bidding software. I lose more than I win (which is a good thing because another cool meteorite or creative offering always comes by!). And I've been sniped and counter sniped many times. I've always been comforted by the fact that the item was worth more that I was willing to pay (or could afford). I gave it my best. So bid your max, and let the best ebayer win! (Sorry for the long post - I was bored this evening...) Mark (Vail, AZ) P.S. === Don't forget the buy it now option... Gregory: I think bidders who complain about being outbid at the last second are virtually always guilty of one mistake: they never placed a bid of the MAXIMUM amount they would be freely willing to pay for the item. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Mike, Just bid your highest bid the first time and forget it. If you win, you win. If you don't, via sniping or otherwise, well you weren't going to bid any higher anyway so what difference does it make whether the other person's bid was entered 10 hours, 10 minutes, or 10 milliseconds before the auction ends? You are WRONG. Its verry importand when You place bid. exam1 If item is placed f.e. for 1$ , and in a first few days will go up to 20$ then You put f.e. 100$ your max bid 3 days before auction ends. So then many other bidders will try to outbid You and final price will grown up more or less slowly, and finally price will be f.e. 90$. You are lucky winner ? No, You are lucky looser. And many times You will return from work, log to ebay and what You see ? You are outbited and someone win Your item. Nothing more irritated. exam2 Without your early bid price is still 20$ and in the next days will not grow up in the same speed as with your bid. So finally in last 5 minutes of auction, item price will be 50$. Someone who is high bidder in last 60 seconds think that noone will place higher price, and then You come. A lone sniper, who will place his 101$ in last 20 seconds of auction. Not 100$, becouse people usualy enter prices as 50, 60, 100, 110, so to be sure you must put 51, 61, 101$. If You do this in the last 20 seconds Your bid will be entered in around 5-10seconds before auction end and THEN You will win the same item for less than 90$, becouse noone can place another bid in last 5 seconds. Your system is working, buy snipers can win the same items for smaller money. You can say, that this is not right, this is sniping etc. But this is real life like on old westerns :))) Only faster gunmen survive. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Mike and Listmembers. Sorry, but your idea is never going to happen. Sniping on ebay is a way of life and has been since the beginning of ebay. The real solution would be for ebay to alter their auctions so that an auction could not end until 5 minuites had passed without a bid. This would make it a TRUE auction venue.Good luck with sharpening your ebay sniping skills Mike. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Randy From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Good Morning- This is probably a little off topic- but a comment I would like to make to see if I am alone in this. When bidding in ebay or other on meteorites- there is nothing more disappointing than someone that lays out for the last few seconds and then outbids you with a fast server. It does not give the previous bidder any chance to reconsider their offer. I know it is fair to do this- but it seems to be the same people always doing it. It really gives that person a negative image to me. I am no better than anyone else- but I try never to do this to anyone. I think it would be common courtesy among meteorite collectors- especially of this list and the IMCA, to never do this to each other. It would build mutual respect among us. Just a comment- I hope all of you have a good weekend. Mike G. __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends.Fun.Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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You could always bid high enough where this won't happen. Most people are afraid to go that extra 1.00. Try it, it may work for you! But really, not much you can do about it. That's life. Matt Mike Groetz wrote: Good Morning- This is probably a little off topic- but a comment I would like to make to see if I am alone in this. When bidding in ebay or other on meteorites- there is nothing more disappointing than someone that lays out for the last few seconds and then outbids you with a fast server. It does not give the previous bidder any chance to reconsider their offer. I know it is fair to do this- but it seems to be the same people always doing it. It really gives that person a negative image to me. I am no better than anyone else- but I try never to do this to anyone. I think it would be common courtesy among meteorite collectors- especially of this list and the IMCA, to never do this to each other. It would build mutual respect among us. Just a comment- I hope all of you have a good weekend. Mike G. __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Mike and all, It is frustrating to get sniped but I find it necessary to bid this way. A lot of the meteorite auctions are from the US and tend to end 2 am to 5 am my local time. I am asleep when the auctions end. The only sure fire way I can ensure a bid is placed is by using a sniping service such as www.auctionstealer.com I have also lost out on items on which I would have placed a bid, due to unforeseen circumstances keeping me away from a PC. If I use a sniping service I have the general assurance I won't fail to get a bid in on any item I really want. The bid is placed on time regardless of my location. Bear in mind too that a snipe will never win if your bid is higher than the snipe, no matter when you placed your bid. Good luck in your future auctions. Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Groetz Sent: 11 June 2004 14:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Good Morning- This is probably a little off topic- but a comment I would like to make to see if I am alone in this. When bidding in ebay or other on meteorites- there is nothing more disappointing than someone that lays out for the last few seconds and then outbids you with a fast server. It does not give the previous bidder any chance to reconsider their offer. I know it is fair to do this- but it seems to be the same people always doing it. It really gives that person a negative image to me. I am no better than anyone else- but I try never to do this to anyone. I think it would be common courtesy among meteorite collectors- especially of this list and the IMCA, to never do this to each other. It would build mutual respect among us. Just a comment- I hope all of you have a good weekend. Mike G. __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Randy, Mike and All, Your idea is good Randy and should be submitted to eBay! Fred Beroud - Original Message - From: Randy Mils To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:08 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Hello Mike and Listmembers. Sorry, but your idea is never going to happen. Sniping on ebay is a way of life and has been since the beginning of ebay. The real solution would be for ebay to alter their auctions so that an auction could not end until 5 minuites had passed without a bid. This would make it a TRUE auction venue.Good luck with sharpening your ebay sniping skills Mike. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Randy From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Good Morning- This is probably a little off topic- but a comment I would like to make to see if I am alone in this. When bidding in ebay or other on meteorites- there is nothing more disappointing than someone that lays out for the last few seconds and then outbids you with a fast server. It does not give the previous bidder any chance to reconsider their offer. I know it is fair to do this- but it seems to be the same people always doing it. It really gives that person a negative image to me. I am no better than anyone else- but I try never to do this to anyone. I think it would be common courtesy among meteorite collectors- especially of this list and the IMCA, to never do this to each other. It would build mutual respect among us. Just a comment- I hope all of you have a good weekend. Mike G. __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends.Fun.Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Mike Groetz: nothing more disappointing than someone that lays out for the last few seconds and then outbids you Having participated in an off-list, knock-down drag-out fight with another listee about this particular subject ;-), here's what I would offer: I think bidders who complain about being outbid at the last second are virtually always guilty of one mistake: they never placed a bid of the MAXIMUM amount they would be freely willing to pay for the item. As Mike G. put it "It does not give the previous bidder any chance to reconsider their offer". If, on the other hand, you always place a bid of the MAX amount you're willing to pay, you take any "reconsideration of your offer" out of the picture. You will often end up getting the item for substantially less, but more to the point, you can't complain about sniping: the sniper wins only if his maximum amount is more than your maximum amount. He's SUPPOSED to win if his his max amount is higher than yours. Additionally, the sniper can live or die by his own sword, i.e. if an auction is about to close with $100 showing as the "going" bid, but you have previously placed a hidden $200 bid as your maximum amount, the sniper will be shut out if he snipes a last-second bid of $175 - then HE doesn't "have a chance to reconsider the offer", either. I agree that the popular rule for other auction operations, i.e. letting time elapse until five minutes has gone by without a higher bid, would solve the sniper "problem", but it really only addresses the non-sniper-bidder's frustration, it wouldn't change which bidder wins the item. With either system, the highest bidder STILL gets the item, whether one second or five minutes before the final bell. Gregory __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment
Hi List and Randy Seems to me that the few true auctions I've been to that when the auctioneer wants to close the sale, he says "going going gone" (to paraphrase what they actually say, but you get the idea) and this doesn't occur over a five minute period. It happens within 30-60 seconds max depending on how fast the auctioneer needs to move. I'm sure if you went to the high dollar houses, where 100's of thousands if not millions are bid upon things, the auctioneer might take his time, big bucks bring big commissions! So don't go talking true venue when all auctioneers typically go to a school which teaches them the ethics and motions which pretty much follow the same guidelines across the nation (guess you've never been to wall street either, I understand they move so fast a five minute lull would mean the house hasshut downfor some reason) Do I like getting outbid, no, sure don't. Do I? Very often and theres not much I can do about it. I'm often out bid early on too, so it doesn't matter if theres a bidding war or sniper tactics involved...I'm usually checking out the final price as a spectator anyway. In either case, bid war or sniping, I find ebay to be a fun venue and have aquired many nice specimens and such on thereas well as needed things. So, lets not bash the system since it is one of the few true internet business successes. I actually have a beef with how they change the look of ebay every time you turn around more than anything else. But thats the personal side of it, and each of us look at things differently. That is what makes it nice, we're all individuals and see the world a little (sometimes a lot) differently. Mark - Original Message - From: Randy Mils To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:08 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Hello Mike and Listmembers. Sorry, but your idea is never going to happen. Sniping on ebay is a way of life and has been since the beginning of ebay. The real solution would be for ebay to alter their auctions so that an auction could not end until 5 minuites had passed without a bid. This would make it a TRUE auction venue.Good luck with sharpening your ebay sniping skills Mike. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Randy From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 06:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Good Morning- This is probably a little off topic- but a comment I would like to make to see if I am alone in this. When bidding in ebay or other on meteorites- there is nothing more disappointing than someone that lays out for the last few seconds and then outbids you with a fast server. It does not give the previous bidder any chance to reconsider their offer. I know it is fair to do this- but it seems to be the same people always doing it. It really gives that person a negative image to me. I am no better than anyone else- but I try never to do this to anyone. I think it would be common courtesy among meteorite collectors- especially of this list and the IMCA, to never do this to each other. It would build mutual respect among us. Just a comment- I hope all of you have a good weekend. Mike G. __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends.Fun.Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment
Hi Mike, Just bid your highest bid the first time and forget it. If you win, you win. If you don't, via sniping or otherwise, well you weren't going to bid any higher anyway so what difference does it make whether the other person's bid was entered 10 hours, 10 minutes, or 10 milliseconds before the auction ends? -Walter www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:40 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite eBay Bidding Comment Good Morning- This is probably a little off topic- but a comment I would like to make to see if I am alone in this. When bidding in ebay or other on meteorites- there is nothing more disappointing than someone that lays out for the last few seconds and then outbids you with a fast server. It does not give the previous bidder any chance to reconsider their offer. I know it is fair to do this- but it seems to be the same people always doing it. It really gives that person a negative image to me. I am no better than anyone else- but I try never to do this to anyone. I think it would be common courtesy among meteorite collectors- especially of this list and the IMCA, to never do this to each other. It would build mutual respect among us. Just a comment- I hope all of you have a good weekend. Mike G. __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
