Re: [tdf-moderators] Closing down a list?
Hi :) It's a bit difficult to prove or disprove without having even just a trial period. I'd not heard about the Firebird issue. Could i pass that around to a few other people that are working on different aspects of Base, such as those in documentation, the users list and such or is it better kept as a secret? Regards from Tom :) From: Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: f...@akerbeltz.org f...@akerbeltz.org; moderators@documentfoundation.org moderators@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 9:52 Subject: Re: [tdf-moderators] Closing down a list? Hi Tom, On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 20:57 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Ahah, could we have a special list for Base? Not for any of the other modules/apps because they are not so desperately in need of cross-list collaboration in order to get some basics working. This is a long-term request of yours I recall :-) As others have said, I don't believe that this will improve anything from a development perspective - of course, if you want a users lists, just for base users or something - then that's not my area - but I'd be interested in the positive purpose there really. In other good news, it really looks as if we'll have a firebird backend in the next months, and be able to move base to use that which (I hope) will have a significant impact on performance, stability, and people's interest in working on 'base' :-) At least if the Igalia GSOC work comes off well, which I expect it to :-) HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Closing down a list?
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 10:29 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: It's a bit difficult to prove or disprove without having even just a trial period. Sure we have to make a decision based on our experience. Then again, having a clear, focused purpose and audience to the list would be good; ultimately if it's for developers base QA - I'm not completely against trying it: but I'd want that to be lead by those hacking on base ATM - ie. Lionel. I'd not heard about the Firebird issue. Could i pass that around to a few other people that are working on different aspects of Base, such as those in documentation, the users list and such or is it better kept as a secret? Lets wait with anything public until the GSOC projects are finally announced - which is the end of the month, a private heads-up is of course fine. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Mailing list - responsibilities?
Hi Florian, On 05/09/2013 02:26 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Donald, Donald Norwood wrote on 2013-05-09 03:40: Are we only receiving moderation requests for the mirrors mailing list or all the the mailing lists? My confusion comes from the initial email with the fill mail listing. it's only for the list(s) you are moderator of. Florian Got it. With not much traffic on the mirrors mailing list I can assist with other lists as needed. -Donald -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-moderators] extending the moderators mailing list to the forums as well.
Hey Florian Marc and everyone. I was just thinking seeing as we have a moderators mailing list now for the mailing lists, could the moderators email address be extended to use with the forums when that time comes? -- Jonathan Aquilina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] extending the moderators mailing list to the forums as well.
Tom The forums are still in development stages, sadly that stopped so I am not sure what the deal is there. Marc Pare would be the guy to talk to if you want to help out there. Florian i agree with Tom this should be a central list for all projects that need moderation. Does the wiki and other things do they have their own moderation mailing list? On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I was hoping to be a moderator on one of the forums and it would be a neat trick if this list could be the central place for moderators of all the different systems. I know people at Ask LO were asking for a list where they could co-ordinate their answers. I'm not sure if they already have somewhere or if they need the same sort of thing as we need this list for. I was a bit worried that i wouldn't be able to be involved in moderating the forums if i take this on but it looked like this needed doing urgently. Regards from Tom :) - Original Message - From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: moderators@documentfoundation.org Cc: Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 13:57 Subject: Re: [tdf-moderators] extending the moderators mailing list to the forums as well. Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-09 14:56: Hey Florian Marc and everyone. I was just thinking seeing as we have a moderators mailing list now for the mailing lists, could the moderators email address be extended to use with the forums when that time comes? anyone can subscribe to this list, so of course, forum moderators are welcome. Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jonathan Aquilina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] nabble moderation
Hi Sophie, Sophie Gautier wrote on 2013-05-09 15:10: I was adapting my moderation folder and realized that I might be the only one moderating the Nabble gateway now that Drew is away for a while, or is there anybody else with me? this is not a charge, there is very few to do, but more for the case where I'm not available. Nabble is a bit of a black box for me. I don't even know a moderation is required, nor do I know who can establish new moderators. :-) Can you shed some light? Generally, I agree having more moderators, just in case, makes sense. Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] nabble moderation
Hi :) I would be quite happy to be a moderator on Nabble too. At the moment it feels weird not being able to help there as i still see the normal emails and Nabble as being the same thing. It's confusing me. Regards from Tom :) From: Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com To: moderators@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 14:10 Subject: [tdf-moderators] nabble moderation Hi Flo, I was adapting my moderation folder and realized that I might be the only one moderating the Nabble gateway now that Drew is away for a while, or is there anybody else with me? this is not a charge, there is very few to do, but more for the case where I'm not available. Thanks in advance, Kind regards Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses
florian any chance you can black list this domain as this is the 3rd email today from the same company in the span of a few hrs to the mirrors list i have rejected them all but still its very annoying that they are still pushing to spam the list. -- Forwarded message -- From: mirrors+ow...@documentfoundation.org Date: Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:14 PM Subject: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses To: mirrors-moderat...@documentfoundation.org Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the mirr...@documentfoundation.org mailing list. A message from mkt.d...@getcodigital.com with subject Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses has been submitted for posting. You are being asked to moderate because the requester is not a subscriber. The message is below. To release it to the list, please send a message to mirrors+release-53af92045e6b6...@documentfoundation.org which can usually be done simply by replying to this message. If you do not want to do any of this, either send a message to mirrors+reject-53af92045e6b6...@documentfoundation.org or simply ignore this message. The following moderators have received this mail: - varunmitta...@gmail.com - flo...@documentfoundation.org - kaplanl...@gmail.com - eagles051...@gmail.com - dnorw...@portalias.net VANGUARD BUSINESS SUITEERP 01730 783 272E-Mail:shajahan.ah...@getcodigital.com WWW.GETCODIGITAL.COM Make Your Business Faster, SmarterMore Social by ERP VANGUARD ERP Software Components; --General Ledger -- Accounts Receivable -- Accounts Payable --Fixed Assets -- Cash Flow -- Budget Management -- Inventory --Purchasing -- Sales Orders -- Invoicing -- Costing --Vanguard Sales and Marketing -- Support Center --Employee Administration -- Time, Attendance and Time clock --Payroll -- Personal Portal/Business Performance --Online Documentation -- Document Management Our Focused Industries! --Manufacturing Industries (FMCG); -- RetailersDistribution; -- ApparelRMG; --Pharmaceutical Companies; -- Footwear companies; -- State and local Government; -- BankFinancial Institution; -- Educational Institutions; -- Telecommunication; -- HospitalTourism; -- Real EstateAgro Sector. Contact for Details:%3 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: mirrors+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/mirrors/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jonathan Aquilina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] extending the moderators mailing list to the forums as well.
Would it be worth sending out an email to those moderators of other parts of the project such as wiki etc to sign up here? Maybe as well making a global announcement that if anyone finds spam on mailing lists etc for example can contact moderators here. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-09 15:07: Florian i agree with Tom this should be a central list for all projects that need moderation. Does the wiki and other things do they have their own moderation mailing list? no - there's no actual need for that, but of course, wiki admins can use this list as well (or the website list, whatever fits best). Florian -- Jonathan Aquilina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] nabble moderation
On 09/05/2013 15:11, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Sophie, Sophie Gautier wrote on 2013-05-09 15:10: I was adapting my moderation folder and realized that I might be the only one moderating the Nabble gateway now that Drew is away for a while, or is there anybody else with me? this is not a charge, there is very few to do, but more for the case where I'm not available. Nabble is a bit of a black box for me. I don't even know a moderation is required, nor do I know who can establish new moderators. :-) yes for me too, I had to understand how it works to add the FR lists but I didn't go further and never use it ;) Can you shed some light? Generally, I agree having more moderators, just in case, makes sense. Sometimes I receive e-mail from people wanting to join a group (in various languages) while they are not subscribed. So I add them to the requested group via the Nabble interface. I think you need to be admin to be able to add the people (touchy because you can delete the group at the same time...). But if you don't receive these mails too, that's strange, I thought you gave the same rights as yours last time ? BTW, the logos on the conference list needs to be change to the Milan one, it's still showing Berlin logo. I can try to do it somebody give me the link to the good logo size. Kind regards Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org Tel:+33683901545 Membership Certification Committee Member - Co-founder The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses
Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-09 15:20: florian any chance you can black list this domain as this is the 3rd email today from the same company in the span of a few hrs to the mirrors list i have rejected them all but still its very annoying that they are still pushing to spam the list. let's not block individual domains. Usually, one blocks the sending server's IP, not the sender domain. Plus, moderation is all about spam filtering. Manually maintaining filter lists is a tedious tasks I really would like to avoid, because you have to regularly verify those lists (who can assure that the IP has not changed the owner to a legitimate sender in the meantime?). We do extensive spam filtering already with greylisting, blacklists, SpamAssassin the the like. The spam that gets through is the tasks moderators have to deal with. Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses
Hi :) I get the impression that if we do nothing then the message gets blocked. So if you don't like a message or think it's spam then it's fine to leave it. We are mainly trying to catch the ones that should not have been blocked in order to unblock them. Regard from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: moderators@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 14:28 Subject: Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-09 15:20: florian any chance you can black list this domain as this is the 3rd email today from the same company in the span of a few hrs to the mirrors list i have rejected them all but still its very annoying that they are still pushing to spam the list. let's not block individual domains. Usually, one blocks the sending server's IP, not the sender domain. Plus, moderation is all about spam filtering. Manually maintaining filter lists is a tedious tasks I really would like to avoid, because you have to regularly verify those lists (who can assure that the IP has not changed the owner to a legitimate sender in the meantime?). We do extensive spam filtering already with greylisting, blacklists, SpamAssassin the the like. The spam that gets through is the tasks moderators have to deal with. Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses
On 09/05/2013 15:52, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Isnt that the same thing as emailing back saying reject? yes, it's said on the mail that passed a 10 (?) days delay, the mail will be automagically destroyed :) Kind regards Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] extending the moderators mailing list to the forums as well.
I am sorry for this spam. My fingers were too fast and sent an empty reply to a wrong mail. Best Regards, Petr Petr Mladek píše v Čt 09. 05. 2013 v 15:43 +0200: Florian Effenberger píše v Čt 09. 05. 2013 v 14:57 +0200: Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-09 14:56: Hey Florian Marc and everyone. I was just thinking seeing as we have a moderators mailing list now for the mailing lists, could the moderators email address be extended to use with the forums when that time comes? anyone can subscribe to this list, so of course, forum moderators are welcome. Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses
There's a problem with replying to a spammer; in that way you're merely acknowledging that the e-address is valid. To my way of thinking, that's a bad thing to do; isn't it better to ignore hope the spammer will give up. Also, these spammers tend to use slightly different e-addresses in order to fool the system, so rejecting one will not reject the next ones ;-( On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.comwrote: Isn't that the same thing as emailing back saying reject? On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I get the impression that if we do nothing then the message gets blocked. So if you don't like a message or think it's spam then it's fine to leave it. We are mainly trying to catch the ones that should not have been blocked in order to unblock them. Regard from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: moderators@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 14:28 Subject: Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-09 15:20: florian any chance you can black list this domain as this is the 3rd email today from the same company in the span of a few hrs to the mirrors list i have rejected them all but still its very annoying that they are still pushing to spam the list. let's not block individual domains. Usually, one blocks the sending server's IP, not the sender domain. Plus, moderation is all about spam filtering. Manually maintaining filter lists is a tedious tasks I really would like to avoid, because you have to regularly verify those lists (who can assure that the IP has not changed the owner to a legitimate sender in the meantime?). We do extensive spam filtering already with greylisting, blacklists, SpamAssassin the the like. The spam that gets through is the tasks moderators have to deal with. Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses
as in Mission Impossible ;-) On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.comwrote: On 09/05/2013 15:52, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Isnt that the same thing as emailing back saying reject? yes, it's said on the mail that passed a 10 (?) days delay, the mail will be automagically destroyed :) Kind regards Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses
this isnt replying to the spammer this is replying to the server telling it to reject the message. thanks to google this saved this address automatically this is what i am replying to discuss+reject-2521220c3d6c2f84 discuss+reject-2521220c3d6c2...@documentfoundation.org which tells mlmmj to reject the email and not post it to the list. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:05 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: There's a problem with replying to a spammer; in that way you're merely acknowledging that the e-address is valid. To my way of thinking, that's a bad thing to do; isn't it better to ignore hope the spammer will give up. Also, these spammers tend to use slightly different e-addresses in order to fool the system, so rejecting one will not reject the next ones ;-( On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.comwrote: Isn't that the same thing as emailing back saying reject? On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I get the impression that if we do nothing then the message gets blocked. So if you don't like a message or think it's spam then it's fine to leave it. We are mainly trying to catch the ones that should not have been blocked in order to unblock them. Regard from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: moderators@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 14:28 Subject: Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-09 15:20: florian any chance you can black list this domain as this is the 3rd email today from the same company in the span of a few hrs to the mirrors list i have rejected them all but still its very annoying that they are still pushing to spam the list. let's not block individual domains. Usually, one blocks the sending server's IP, not the sender domain. Plus, moderation is all about spam filtering. Manually maintaining filter lists is a tedious tasks I really would like to avoid, because you have to regularly verify those lists (who can assure that the IP has not changed the owner to a legitimate sender in the meantime?). We do extensive spam filtering already with greylisting, blacklists, SpamAssassin the the like. The spam that gets through is the tasks moderators have to deal with. Florian -- Jonathan Aquilina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses
Hi :) All true However if something reaches this list it has already been rejected. We just try to rescue the ones that were valid and sent here by mistake. Regards from Tom :) From: Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com To: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org; moderators@documentfoundation.org moderators@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 15:08 Subject: Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses this isnt replying to the spammer this is replying to the server telling it to reject the message. thanks to google this saved this address automatically this is what i am replying to discuss+reject-2521220c3d6c2f84 discuss+reject-2521220c3d6c2...@documentfoundation.org which tells mlmmj to reject the email and not post it to the list. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:05 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: There's a problem with replying to a spammer; in that way you're merely acknowledging that the e-address is valid. To my way of thinking, that's a bad thing to do; isn't it better to ignore hope the spammer will give up. Also, these spammers tend to use slightly different e-addresses in order to fool the system, so rejecting one will not reject the next ones ;-( On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.comwrote: Isn't that the same thing as emailing back saying reject? On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I get the impression that if we do nothing then the message gets blocked. So if you don't like a message or think it's spam then it's fine to leave it. We are mainly trying to catch the ones that should not have been blocked in order to unblock them. Regard from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: moderators@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 14:28 Subject: Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-09 15:20: florian any chance you can black list this domain as this is the 3rd email today from the same company in the span of a few hrs to the mirrors list i have rejected them all but still its very annoying that they are still pushing to spam the list. let's not block individual domains. Usually, one blocks the sending server's IP, not the sender domain. Plus, moderation is all about spam filtering. Manually maintaining filter lists is a tedious tasks I really would like to avoid, because you have to regularly verify those lists (who can assure that the IP has not changed the owner to a legitimate sender in the meantime?). We do extensive spam filtering already with greylisting, blacklists, SpamAssassin the the like. The spam that gets through is the tasks moderators have to deal with. Florian -- Jonathan Aquilina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses
Totally agreed I think what anne-ology was concerned we would be sending an email back to the spammer saying this is a valid email keep on spamming me. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) All true However if something reaches this list it has already been rejected. We just try to rescue the ones that were valid and sent here by mistake. Regards from Tom :) -- *From:* Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com *To:* anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com *Cc:* Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org; moderators@documentfoundation.org moderators@documentfoundation.org *Sent:* Thursday, 9 May 2013, 15:08 *Subject:* Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses this isnt replying to the spammer this is replying to the server telling it to reject the message. thanks to google this saved this address automatically this is what i am replying to discuss+reject-2521220c3d6c2f84 discuss+reject-2521220c3d6c2...@documentfoundation.org which tells mlmmj to reject the email and not post it to the list. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:05 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: There's a problem with replying to a spammer; in that way you're merely acknowledging that the e-address is valid. To my way of thinking, that's a bad thing to do; isn't it better to ignore hope the spammer will give up. Also, these spammers tend to use slightly different e-addresses in order to fool the system, so rejecting one will not reject the next ones ;-( On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.comwrote: Isn't that the same thing as emailing back saying reject? On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I get the impression that if we do nothing then the message gets blocked. So if you don't like a message or think it's spam then it's fine to leave it. We are mainly trying to catch the ones that should not have been blocked in order to unblock them. Regard from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: moderators@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 14:28 Subject: Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-09 15:20: florian any chance you can black list this domain as this is the 3rd email today from the same company in the span of a few hrs to the mirrors list i have rejected them all but still its very annoying that they are still pushing to spam the list. let's not block individual domains. Usually, one blocks the sending server's IP, not the sender domain. Plus, moderation is all about spam filtering. Manually maintaining filter lists is a tedious tasks I really would like to avoid, because you have to regularly verify those lists (who can assure that the IP has not changed the owner to a legitimate sender in the meantime?). We do extensive spam filtering already with greylisting, blacklists, SpamAssassin the the like. The spam that gets through is the tasks moderators have to deal with. Florian -- Jonathan Aquilina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jonathan Aquilina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses
Hi Jean-Baptiste, *, On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org wrote: Le 09/05/2013 16:49, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/05/2013 15:52, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Isnt that the same thing as emailing back saying reject? What happens when a moderator rejects a mail? Is there a mail sent to the sender? In that case the side effect of the rejection is to inform the spammer that the email is valid, so he can send another spam. No mail is sent (that is what I double-checked with my mail to the test-list :-)) So no backscatter from the list when rejecting mails, the difference is only limited to the mailing-list software. In neither case does it send mail back to the non-subscribed spammer. ciao Christian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses
that is a very valid question. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org wrote: Hi, Le 09/05/2013 16:49, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi *, On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/05/2013 15:52, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Isnt that the same thing as emailing back saying reject? yes, it's said on the mail that passed a 10 (?) days delay, the mail will be automagically destroyed :) The effect for the list-subscribers is the same (they don't get the mail) - the difference is that when you explicitly reject a message, other moderators cannot moderate the message anymore, as it is removed from the moderation-queue on the server. So it is only necessary if your want to prevent that other moderators approve the message - be it because it contains some private data or because a mail looks legitimate, but you know it is spam/troll/phishing. What happens when a moderator rejects a mail? Is there a mail sent to the sender? In that case the side effect of the rejection is to inform the spammer that the email is valid, so he can send another spam. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jonathan Aquilina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Fwd: Please moderate mirr...@documentfoundation.org: Software Solutions for Small, Medium Large Businesses
Jean-Baptiste rejecting the email gets it off the server so to speak otherwise just ignoring it it sits there for 10 days before being rejected. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohma...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi Jean-Baptiste, *, On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@sud-ouest.org wrote: Le 09/05/2013 16:49, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/05/2013 15:52, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Isnt that the same thing as emailing back saying reject? What happens when a moderator rejects a mail? Is there a mail sent to the sender? In that case the side effect of the rejection is to inform the spammer that the email is valid, so he can send another spam. No mail is sent (that is what I double-checked with my mail to the test-list :-)) So no backscatter from the list when rejecting mails, the difference is only limited to the mailing-list software. In neither case does it send mail back to the non-subscribed spammer. ciao Christian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jonathan Aquilina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-moderators] Re: Mailing list behavior
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Jan Holesovsky ke...@suse.cz wrote: Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Aquilina píše v Čt 09. 05. 2013 v 17:58 +0200: that is a very valid question. I appreciate your energy you spend here, but can you please decrease the amount of mail you write to tdf-moderators@? A message like that is a very valid question adds no value; I am sure somebody with the plan here (like Florian) will answer regardless of this. Also - please notice that top-posting is very unwelcome in the mailing lists. I am sure you do this because gmail hides the context for you - but consider the people who are not using gmail. Just click the [...] in the gmail interface to see how the mails of the others look, and compare to your own mails - answers at the top (the top-posting) is wrong an mailing lists, and moderators should be the first people who discourage that. So if you want to be a moderator, I you first should improve your mailing list behavior yourself - can you do that? If you continue to use gmail, start by clicking the [...] in the reply input box, type the message _under_ the context you are referring to, and _delete_ everything what is not relevant. You will save tremendous amount of time of the readers of your messages. I can do that My apologies Kendy will mess about with the layout of gmail and see if anything can change in terms of visibility of previous messages. -- Jonathan Aquilina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Mailing list behavior
What's the matter with Jonathan's method? And Top-posting is the most logical method; otherwise you have to re-read what you've already read in order to see the new bit. [are bottom-posters so forgetful???] HOW can you condemn Jonathan's behaviour ??? On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Jan Holesovsky ke...@suse.cz wrote: Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Aquilina píše v Čt 09. 05. 2013 v 17:58 +0200: that is a very valid question. I appreciate your energy you spend here, but can you please decrease the amount of mail you write to tdf-moderators@? A message like that is a very valid question adds no value; I am sure somebody with the plan here (like Florian) will answer regardless of this. Also - please notice that top-posting is very unwelcome in the mailing lists. I am sure you do this because gmail hides the context for you - but consider the people who are not using gmail. Just click the [...] in the gmail interface to see how the mails of the others look, and compare to your own mails - answers at the top (the top-posting) is wrong an mailing lists, and moderators should be the first people who discourage that. So if you want to be a moderator, I you first should improve your mailing list behavior yourself - can you do that? If you continue to use gmail, start by clicking the [...] in the reply input box, type the message _under_ the context you are referring to, and _delete_ everything what is not relevant. You will save tremendous amount of time of the readers of your messages. Thank you, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Mailing list behavior
Hi :) Anne, what the bottom posters want is to make it awkward for people. They don't want you to just reply to the message. You have to edit out the bits that in your opinion are not relevant anymore so that their message becomes your interpretation of what they might have been trying to say. Then you answer the message you think they wanted ignoring anything they might have actually said. It means that there is no way to show context without going back to an earlier copy of the posting. Notice that the Netiquette guide is from several decades ago, it's pre-hand-helds, pre-tablets, even pre-mobile-phones. It's deeply routed in ancient technology and old ways of doing things from an era that has long since gone. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: moderators@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 18:35 Subject: Re: [tdf-moderators] Mailing list behavior Hi, anne-ology wrote on 2013-05-09 19:18: What's the matter with Jonathan's method? And Top-posting is the most logical method; otherwise you have to re-read what you've already read in order to see the new bit. [are bottom-posters so forgetful???] HOW can you condemn Jonathan's behaviour ??? please read this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette Thanks, Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Mailing list behavior
Tom, Tom Davies wrote on 2013-05-09 20:26: Notice that the Netiquette guide is from several decades ago, it's pre-hand-helds, pre-tablets, even pre-mobile-phones. It's deeply routed in ancient technology and old ways of doing things from an era that has long since gone. this Netiquette is what the community has agreed on. As you are a list moderator, I expect you stick to it as well. Having list moderators who are not following the project's own Netiquette is pointless. Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Mailing list behavior
I agree. And I will continue to be logical, using common sense. And I will continue to defend those who are unfairly attacked; even if it means being attacked myself. I've always followed this advice; I see no reason to cease now, On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Anne, what the bottom posters want is to make it awkward for people. They don't want you to just reply to the message. You have to edit out the bits that in your opinion are not relevant anymore so that their message becomes your interpretation of what they might have been trying to say. Then you answer the message you think they wanted ignoring anything they might have actually said. It means that there is no way to show context without going back to an earlier copy of the posting. Notice that the Netiquette guide is from several decades ago, it's pre-hand-helds, pre-tablets, even pre-mobile-phones. It's deeply routed in ancient technology and old ways of doing things from an era that has long since gone. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org To: moderators@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 18:35 Subject: Re: [tdf-moderators] Mailing list behavior Hi, anne-ology wrote on 2013-05-09 19:18: What's the matter with Jonathan's method? And Top-posting is the most logical method; otherwise you have to re-read what you've already read in order to see the new bit. [are bottom-posters so forgetful???] HOW can you condemn Jonathan's behaviour ??? please read this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette Thanks, Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Mailing list behavior
Hi, Am 09.05.2013 21:19, schrieb anne-ology: I agree. What do you agree to? Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-moderators] Mailing list behavior
Hi Anne, Tom, On 09/05/2013 21:19, anne-ology wrote: I agree. And I will continue to be logical, using common sense. And I will continue to defend those who are unfairly attacked; even if it means being attacked myself. I've always followed this advice; I see no reason to cease now, Could you please agree that we have a policy and that as a group we have to follow the rules the group has voted on. We are not here to play or joke, but to work. For developers, for most of the contributors in all the areas of the project, it's more effective to have bottom and targeted replies: we take the last mail of the thread and read the most important parts because each poster has taken care of the time of others by removing the non relevant parts of his answer. The attack was not unfair, but purely moderation, and it's bit strange to have to moderate moderators. But I can understand that this is your first time with this work and that you have to learn, we are here to help you for that. We all have a lot of work, in and out of the project. We all want the project to be effective for our users, but in the same time that people are agreeable to each other, and that means respecting some rules, they may be old or whatever, this is the one however we have agreed on. You are free to disagree and leave the moderation, but we don't want that. We are happy to have you here, all who have join to help and dedicate their time to the project, but if we want to be able to work together, respecting each other, the Netiquette is the tool we have for that. Kind regards Spohie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: moderators+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/moderators/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
