Re: Spam to CPAN Developers? (Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position)
If one of the 8630 CPAN authors happens to need work of the type that this spamming company is offering, and finds work with them, I for one consider that a good trade vs. we other 8629 having to maintain our email filters that eliminate thousands of spam messages per week. We once had 14K per week. The current week is down to 2600. That's one good piece of news in the world. Craig MacKenna http://www.animalhead.com On Sep 6, 2011, at 2:52 AM, Olof Johansson wrote: On 2011-09-06 10:15 +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: But it does seem that the *only* firm that is* spamming CPAN authors is Betonmarkets, as they've done it *again*. Well, that's not true. They are however one of very few that could pass as ham, and will therefore pass through many spam filters. The problem is that there is a list of 8630 non obfuscated e-mail addresses in the /authors/00whois.xml file. I'm not sure this can or should be changed, but it makes CPAN authors an easy target. -- --- |Olof Johansson | | http://stdlib.se/ | |zibri on Freenode/OFTC/etc | ---
Re: Spam to CPAN Developers? (Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position)
--As of September 6, 2011 8:52:32 PM -0700, macke...@animalhead.com is alleged to have said: If one of the 8630 CPAN authors happens to need work of the type that this spamming company is offering, and finds work with them, I for one consider that a good trade vs. we other 8629 having to maintain our email filters that eliminate thousands of spam messages per week. --As for the rest, it is mine. I don't. There are Perl job lists and sites that list *only* Perl jobs. If someone is looking to employ someone, they can use them and get in contact with people who are interested. They are easy to find, and easy to use. Sending an email to 9000 people on the hope that some are interested is a bad practice. Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. ---
Re: Spam to CPAN Developers? (Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position)
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:23:03AM -0600, Andy Lester wrote: On Feb 10, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Jonathan Yu wrote: Has anyone else got a message like this to their CPAN Developer e-mail address? I'm curious if this is the beginning of a really bad trend toward CPAN author spamming :/ Yes. Maybe, but I doubt it. I'm praying that we can chalk it up to some guy in Malaysia sending us all mail, and this doesn't turn into a huge metadiscussion. It didn't turn into a metadiscussion. But it does seem that the *only* firm that is* spamming CPAN authors is Betonmarkets, as they've done it *again*. Life would be quieter if they kindly ceased trading. (Because that seems a more reliable way for them to stop, than issuing an apology then repeating the offence every 18 months) Nicholas Clark * or fails to stop agents acting on their behalf.
Re: Spam to CPAN Developers? (Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position)
On 2011-09-06 10:15 +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: But it does seem that the *only* firm that is* spamming CPAN authors is Betonmarkets, as they've done it *again*. Well, that's not true. They are however one of very few that could pass as ham, and will therefore pass through many spam filters. The problem is that there is a list of 8630 non obfuscated e-mail addresses in the /authors/00whois.xml file. I'm not sure this can or should be changed, but it makes CPAN authors an easy target. -- --- |Olof Johansson | | http://stdlib.se/ | |zibri on Freenode/OFTC/etc | ---
Re: Spam to CPAN Developers? (Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position)
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Olof Johansson o...@cpan.org wrote: Well, that's not true. They are however one of very few that could pass as ham, and will therefore pass through many spam filters. The problem is that there is a list of 8630 non obfuscated e-mail addresses in the /authors/00whois.xml file. I'm not sure this can or should be changed, but it makes CPAN authors an easy target. Since aut...@cpan.org generally forwards somewhere useful, it's not the whois file that matters. I've gotten similar spam (from another company) that got my email off github. I think recruiter spam is just one of those things to ignore. At least it's *topical* unlike the email about winning a million pounds in a British lottery. -- David
Re: Spam to CPAN Developers? (Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position)
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 10:44:47AM -0400, David Golden wrote: Since aut...@cpan.org generally forwards somewhere useful, it's not the whois file that matters. I've gotten similar spam (from another company) that got my email off github. I think recruiter spam is just one of those things to ignore. At least it's *topical* unlike the email about winning a million pounds in a British lottery. But this is somewhat more like pissing in the pool that most of it. One is supposed to ignore spam, so as not to encourage the spammers. Topical spam is troubling, because it's *still spam*, but there's now a contradiction between ignoring it, and wanting to follow it up. I believe (but can't find it) that they apologised for this last time.* In which case they're proving not to be effective at sticking to their word. Also, Claes attempted to reply to it and met a challenge-response system. Not sure what else they can do to make themselves look more stupid. Hence why I'd like them to kindly cease trading. Nicholas Clark * Actually, it seems that Uri was also working to help them recruit, and so was going to tell their CEO that this was a foolish move as it breaks the rules: http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20100208/019134.html
Re: Spam to CPAN Developers? (Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position)
Excerpts from Jonathan Yu's message of Wed Feb 10 12:20:51 -0500 2010: Has anyone else got a message like this to their CPAN Developer e-mail address? I'm curious if this is the beginning of a really bad trend toward CPAN author spamming :/ No, it is a continuation of that trend. It started years ago. hdp.
RE: Spam to CPAN Developers? (Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position)
-Original Message- From: Hans Dieter Pearcey [mailto:hdp.perl.module-auth...@weftsoar.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:24 PM To: module-authors Subject: Re: Spam to CPAN Developers? (Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position) Excerpts from Jonathan Yu's message of Wed Feb 10 12:20:51 -0500 2010: Has anyone else got a message like this to their CPAN Developer e-mail address? I'm curious if this is the beginning of a really bad trend toward CPAN author spamming :/ No, it is a continuation of that trend. It started years ago. Ah, yes... With the invention of the internets I believe... hdp.
Re: Spam to CPAN Developers? (Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position)
2010/2/13 Burak Gürsoy burakgur...@gmx.net: -Original Message- From: Hans Dieter Pearcey [mailto:hdp.perl.module-auth...@weftsoar.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:24 PM To: module-authors Subject: Re: Spam to CPAN Developers? (Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position) Excerpts from Jonathan Yu's message of Wed Feb 10 12:20:51 -0500 2010: Has anyone else got a message like this to their CPAN Developer e-mail address? I'm curious if this is the beginning of a really bad trend toward CPAN author spamming :/ No, it is a continuation of that trend. It started years ago. Ah, yes... With the invention of the internets I believe... Strange, I guess I haven't seen most of them due to Gmail's spam filtering. Sorry all for the noise. hdp.
Re: Spam to CPAN Developers? (Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position)
* Jonathan Yu jonathan.i...@gmail.com [2010-02-13 21:25]: Strange, I guess I haven't seen most of them due to Gmail's spam filtering. Sorry all for the noise. There haven’t been *that* many incidents, but it’s definitely nothing new. I’d say it’s roughly one big wave of specifically CPAN-targetted spam every… 1.5 years or so? I guess we’re doing OK, all things considered. But as I said, it’s a familiar scene nonetheless. Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis // http://plasmasturm.org/
Spam to CPAN Developers? (Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position)
Hi, Has anyone else got a message like this to their CPAN Developer e-mail address? I'm curious if this is the beginning of a really bad trend toward CPAN author spamming :/ -- Forwarded message -- From: Jean-Yves Sireau j...@regent-markets.com Date: Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:18 AM Subject: Betonmarkets CTO position To: jaw...@cpan.org Dear Jonathan, Betonmarkets.com, the leading financial betting company, is looking to recruit a CTO. As a Perl expert, I was wondering whether you may be interested in the position? The Betonmarkets website and underlying systems are developed entirely in Perl and typically conduct 20,000 transactions per day. We are looking for a CTO who is expert and enthusiastic about Perl, as well as experienced in management and team leadership, and able to assume the role of CTO of a successful e-commerce company. We are located in Cyberjaya, Malaysia, which offers a high quality as well as low cost of living. We are a multi-national company, with staff from 14 countries (including the US, Europe, and Asia). Our company, and its location in Cyberjaya, offer a unique living and working experience for expatriates. If you would be interested to know more about this position, kindly email me your CV. Please feel free to forward this email to any person in the Perl community who may be interested in the opportunity. Best regards, Jean-Yves Sireau -- Jean-Yves Sireau, CEO Regent Markets Group Ltd. Genseq Ltd.
Re: Spam to CPAN Developers? (Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position)
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:20:51PM -0500, Jonathan Yu wrote: Hi, Has anyone else got a message like this to their CPAN Developer e-mail address? I'm curious if this is the beginning of a really bad trend toward CPAN author spamming :/ Yes. I replied to him with a polite but sarky note about it, finishing by suggesting that he used http://jobs.perl.org/ Nicholas Clark
Re: Spam to CPAN Developers? (Fwd: Betonmarkets CTO position)
On Feb 10, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Jonathan Yu wrote: Has anyone else got a message like this to their CPAN Developer e-mail address? I'm curious if this is the beginning of a really bad trend toward CPAN author spamming :/ Yes. Maybe, but I doubt it. I'm praying that we can chalk it up to some guy in Malaysia sending us all mail, and this doesn't turn into a huge metadiscussion. Please? xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester = a...@petdance.com = www.theworkinggeek.com = AIM:petdance
