[Mpls] Happy Mental Illness Awareness Week
RE: I'm scared of your police force (Renee Jenson) If you get a chance, read St. Paul Police Chief's Finney editorial in the Pioneer Press today. It sends chills down my spine. The lack of understanding about mental health issues is incredible. here is the link: http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/news/opinion/4214357.htm With that said, I'd like to wish everyone a happy Mental Illness Awareness Week (MIAW) October 6-12, 2002. To learn more about this MIAW go to: http://www.nami.org/confer/miaw02/keymess.html also check out MN Minneapolis resources on: http://mn.nami.org/ National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI) MN branch the national site: http://www.nami.org/index.html BTW, National Depression Screening Day: Oct. 10th http://www.mentalhealthscreening.org/locator/map2.htm?STATE=MN Here are the Mpls. Screening Locations: WALK-IN COUNSELING CENTER Minneapolis, MN 55404 (612) 870-0565 NEIGHBORHOOD INVOLVEMENT PROGRAM Minneapolis, MN 55405 (612) 374-4601 ext.225 HENNEPIN COUNTY MEDICAL CENTER/HENNEPIN FACULTY ASSOCIATION Minneapolis, MN 55404 (612) 373-1858 -mandy tempel (NE) Disability Advocate ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Twins
Ref. Jim Graham's letter in regard to the Twins, he makes a good observation about handicapped and house bound types. I have thought the city or the Sports commission -or whoever- should make cheaper tickets available and free transport on bus or lite rail for those to attend the games. such would boost the gate and generally add to the community. As to having the city or any government entity buy the Twins, I think that would be a collosal mistake. I doubt the Twins have been a profitable business for the Pohlad's, except as a tax write off. Carl Pohlad, though, must have had something to do with the Twins winning the two previous World Series, first ever since early 1960s. I just don't think the city government would be anything to run a pro baseball team. Who would do it?, the Council or certain council members? or RT? Would there be another big agency like MCDA to administer the team? If they aren't being harassed to death someone will buy the team. James Jacobsen // Whittier ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Gastov's
I was at the Gastov's, and had some German food and drink, I knew and met about three people there connected with the Minneapolis List. Am sure there was a lot more listers there. The meet is a good thing, though two things; 01. It should be in a warm place, room of its own, 02. It should have sign in sheet and name tags so that everyone can see who everyone is and to lend basis for speaking with each other. I didn't stay much as my Grandma was dieing that night, though it would be fun to do it again better. James Jacobsen // Whittier ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Twins *Sigh*
I knew it wouldn't be long before we'd hear calls for a new stadium. I don't mean to be insensitive, but if the twins go away, the old folks can adapt to following the Saints. And frankly, a lot of their loyalty began back in the days when the Twins salaries were on par with the Saints. Back then it was Our ball club not our professional baseball team. As for Minneapolis BUYING the twins. I'm afraid James was too polite - that idea is ludicrous. We're STILL paying for the target center and now we have to pay for those deadbeats at Brookfield as well. Where would we get the money to buy and support the team? I'm happy the Twins won. I really am. But baseball economics is still broken and it would be the worst possible public policy for us to bail them out. As far as their income tax contribution, it's not that big a deal. We would get a bigger income tax contribution if those salaries were spread out amongst a larger employee base who worked full time in Minnesota. On Monday, October 7, 2002, at 08:07 AM, James E Jacobsen wrote: Ref. Jim Graham's letter in regard to the Twins, he makes a good observation about handicapped and house bound types. I have thought the city or the Sports commission -or whoever- should make cheaper tickets available and free transport on bus or lite rail for those to attend the games. such would boost the gate and generally add to the community. As to having the city or any government entity buy the Twins, I think that would be a collosal mistake. I doubt the Twins have been a profitable business for the Pohlad's, except as a tax write off. Carl Pohlad, though, must have had something to do with the Twins winning the two previous World Series, first ever since early 1960s. I just don't think the city government would be anything to run a pro baseball team. Who would do it?, the Council or certain council members? or RT? Would there be another big agency like MCDA to administer the team? If they aren't being harassed to death someone will buy the team. Robert Schmid Central Neighborhood Candidate for Hennepin Soil Water Board, District 2 Green Party Endorsed http://www.raptor.net/~rschmid ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Thanks, Craig!
Thanks Craig, it was excellent!! And Octoberfest at Gasthaus was a gas! What an alive crowd. Besides us, NE neighborhood types, and college students, there was a Carlson School of Business contingent having a reception/party in the Rathskeller. So where were the South Minneapolis types? Renee made it in from Wisconsin! (But don't believe her--it wasn't that cold! She was shaking, but that was on the dance floor.) Alan Shilepsky Downtown ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Twins
In the Jim Graham plan the Twins would be bought but IMMEDIATELY turned into a publicly offered stock for-profit corporation. This corporation would hire the best management staff available to actually run the team. Someone like McPhail would be a good choice. Stock holders get first shot at ALL tickets and you offer a minimum of 1 million shares or better yet 10 million shares. Since such individuals owning stock would want to attend games more often it would guarantee success of the team. Then the original stock holders would make a great return on their investment as people wanting better tickets bought more stock. I am willing to buy a few shares. I know I will make a profit and I will never again feel blackmailed by some millionaire who threatens to take my team somewhere else. If Carl Pohlad was smart he would turn the team into such a public offered stock corporation at say $25.00 to $30.00 per share for 10 million shares. Carl would make a killing and the whole state would love him. The new stadium, if built, could be named the Carl Dome. His family could keep enough stock to guarantee their influence on the Corporation board and the best Box in the house. I attended a party with a party for a person running for office yesterday. The other attendees were the heart of the liberal Democratic party. The very people you would expect to oppose a stadium. When I suggested that the team be publicly offered, everyone supported the idea, but one person pointed out that Phyllis Kahn, of all people, was working on the same idea. Most of these people opposed my idea of leaving the team in the Dome, they wanted a new state of the art stadium with a retractable roof. Some where I have gotten the idea that liberal Democrats thought the money would be better spent on social and housing programs. I guess I was wrong, so next I will probably hear that Republicans are pushing affordable housing are concerned for the poor. I agree with James Jacobson about a handicapped section with subsidized seats, (either by the team or by some social service agency). I can think of no therapeutic measure that would be as generally positive than a handicapped person being part of the community supporting their team. The greatest handicap for most disabled people is the breakdown of communication with the abled population. Such shared interest in sports allows for a breakdown of the barrier abled people seem to raise between themselves and the disabled. The house bound and handicapped have as great an ownership of the team as anyone. It is a greater part of their lives than most people. The disabled portion of our population is one reason we need to have the team play spring and fall games, at the least, in a covered stadium. Can anyone imagine having to play yesterdays playoff game in Minneapolis in an open stadium. I was miserable changing a tire at the end of the game, and it only took ten minutes. Can the reader imagine sitting in a wheelchair for 31/2 hours in that weather. The hardy, young, and the game is meant to be played outside group, should be a little more understanding of such needs in other people. Of course it is hard for those same people to understand that everyone is not like them. Remember folks, just as in housing, things designed for disabled people are easily adapted to by abled persons. Things designed only for abled persons are usually impossible for those with handicaps and special needs. Let's keep this in mind when we agree to spend public dollars on anything. James Jacobson can be assured that I have no delusions about what would happen if the City Council and RT was running the Twins or if a MCDA type of management ran the team. MCDA would simply board the dome and wait until the building fell in and the team was worthless, then sell it off to some crony for pennies on the dollar. NO, a publicly held for-profit corporation is a better idea. The for-profit part guarantees the team would be better run, and much less expensive. Jim Graham, Ventura Village - Original Message - From: James E Jacobsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:07 AM Subject: [Mpls] Twins Ref. Jim Graham's letter in regard to the Twins, he makes a good observation about handicapped and house bound types. I have thought the city or the Sports commission -or whoever- should make cheaper tickets available and free transport on bus or lite rail for those to attend the games. such would boost the gate and generally add to the community. As to having the city or any government entity buy the Twins, I think that would be a collosal mistake. I doubt the Twins have been a profitable business for the Pohlad's, except as a tax write off. Carl Pohlad, though, must have had something to do with the Twins winning the two previous World Series, first ever since early 1960s. I just don't think the city government would be anything to run a pro
[Mpls] Flakes in Minneapolis
9:40 a.m., S. 4th St. near City Hall. Several snowflakes landed on my windshield. First sighting in Minneapolis or can someone beat that? Steve Brandt Born during the winter of 51-52 (the big one) ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Flakes in Minneapolis
What a more appropriate place to see a couple of Flakes but near City Hall. Richard Anderson Loring park -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Brandt Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Flakes in Minneapolis 9:40 a.m., S. 4th St. near City Hall. Several snowflakes landed on my windshield. First sighting in Minneapolis or can someone beat that? Steve Brandt Born during the winter of 51-52 (the big one) ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] 10/17 Green Tomato Cook-Off
The GreenSpace Partners 2002 Green Tomato Cook-Off will be NEXT THIURSDAY, October 17, from 6:30 until 8:30 pm at Pillsbury House, 35th Chicago. IT'S NOT TOO LATE You can still: *Donate your green tomatoes *Sign up to compete for cash prizes *Tell your friends CAN YOU HELP? Would you be willing to: *Post flyers in public places you frequent? *Take flyers to meetings you attend? *Donate napkins or disposable cups? *Help out with set-up clean-up? I can send an electronic version of the flyer, or I'd be happy to get you a stack of printed flyers if you prefer. Please contact me if you need any further information. Corrie Zoll Midtown Phillips Corrie Zoll, Program Director GreenSpace Partners A program of The Green Institute 2801 21st Avenue South, Suite 110 Minneapolis, MN 55407 Telephone 612-278-7119 Facsimile 612-278-7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.greeninstitute.org/GSP ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Twins *Sigh*
Twins Quiz: What do Bud Selig, Carl Pohlad and The Oakland A's all have in common? Michael S Guest Campaign Coordinator Dakota Citizens for our Land and Water 651-287-0883 www.voteYESon1.org ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Flakes in Minneapolis
How about a little wager as to when the first 1 inch or more snowfall will occur in Minneapolis? Kind of like the Ice out bets in the spring. December 3rd is my claim. 9:40 a.m., S. 4th St. near City Hall. Several snowflakes landed on my windshield. First sighting in Minneapolis or can someone beat that? Steve Brandt Born during the winter of 51-52 (the big one) ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Listmembers: Let's form a non-profit to buy the non-Guthrie site
We could call ourselves the Minneapolis Forus Partnership. Jim Graham has a GREAT idea - if we can't beat them, let's join them. Bank MCDA would lend us twice as much as we need, say $30 million. We would buy the 3 acre parcel for $2.3 million and hire ourselves to build a mixed-use structure. If we throw in a few affordable housing units, we will qualify for Federal money and reduced property taxes too. [Note: The Empire State Building in New York is built on a 2 acre parcel.] We can pay ourselves $3 or $4 million upfront in developer fees and another $3 or $4 million in construction supervisory fees. Then, we can pay ourselves property management fees, asset management fees, accounting fees, etc. for several years WITHOUT EVER making a payment on debt. We could form lots of affiliates to shove money into. Like the Snow Forus Corporation to plow our own lot at ten times the going rate. Like Snitch Forus Security Corporation to monitor the property at ten times the going rate. And so on and so on. After we've drained all of the possible cash from the project, we can default on the debt altogether. Here's what we'll say: Oh dear, it just didn't work out the way we thought it would. This idea has great PROFIT potential. Who wants in? Vicky Heller North Oaks Cedar-Riverside, and soon. Downtown Riverfront! Yippee! ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Re: Flakes in Minneapolis
I think I have Steve Brandt beat by 30 minutes. At 9:15 a.m. today there were snow flakes on my car as I jump-started it--not because it was so frickin' cold, but because I left the lights on yesterday. Jim Berg Flaky in South Mpls __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] The importance of the Twins and a stadiumless solution
Quoting JIM GRAHAM [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [snip] For that reason I believe we should do what is necessary to keep the Twins. [BV] I don't think we ought to do ANYTHING necessary and I appreciated that word being omitted whether on purpose or not. I think that very few people WANT the Twins to go. It is an issue of wants and needs in these days of budget woes. [snip] I still have a problem subsidizing multi-millionaires, so I suggest the Twins be bought by the City of Minneapolis, or the State of Minnesota, or by some group of multi-millionaires and then immediately incorporated and sold as a publicly held corporation whose by-laws and charter do not allow the team to be moved from the area. The homebound person, the outstate senior; as well as all the other fans could take some vicarious thrill of being part of the ownership of the team. If you have about 100,000 small owners of a team that could not be moved, and that team were truly the MINNESOTA Twins, I would not be adverse to a publicly owned stadium. Such a team ownership might negate the need for a new stadium, and it is certainly cheaper to buy the team than to build a stadium. In fact, it is less than half the cost of building a stadium. Such ownership would generate a lot more interest in going to see the team play in regular season. Look at Green Bay, people like going to see a team play that they personally own. It is the Rich ownership that is demanding a new stadium and blackmailing the State to build such a stadium with threats of moving or killing the team, not fans. [snip] [BV] A courageous idea! I wonder if it is even in the realm of possibility with Selig at the helm of MLB, however. [snip] Fans absolutely love the Dome. The Dome experience is almost as important to an attending fan as the game being played. At this time fans have a vicarious ownership of the team and get so excited, but I can only imagine the excitement if you had a hundred thousand owners. Only half of who would be able to get into the game at any one time. [snip] [BV] I wouldn't say that everyone LOVES the dome; it is certainly quite practical for our climate, but the new stadium hawks would say that's why we need to drop the extra $100 - 200 mill on the retractible roof! I attended a Twins game this year with my youngest daughter and it struck me for the first time: There's no BULLPEN! Bummer... What a wonderful year for Twins baseball, eh? I would caution us, however, to not be seduced by those eager to compensate the Twins for an excellent season with a new ballpark. The danger lies not only in placing future generations in hock for a new ballpark, but also setting a precedent that sports teams will hold us to in the future. Bob Velez Shingle Creek Ward 4-1 ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Thanks, Craig!
There were a couple of southsiders present. Mike Holhman, the Wiz, Barb Lickness, I'm sorry if I missed a couple of you. In general though, considering how bottom heavy this list is with south siders, as usual they wouldn't deign to cross Hennepin Ave and see what happens up north. Too bad they missed it. Sticking it in the eye of the south side. Former Camdenite Craig Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS: Any one seen my Official Oktoberfest Mug? When I switched from German to Irish, they switched mugs and my two chipper was gone. Subject: [Mpls] Thanks, Craig! Thanks Craig, it was excellent!! And Octoberfest at Gasthaus was a gas! What an alive crowd. Besides us, NE neighborhood types, and college students, there was a Carlson School of Business contingent having a reception/party in the Rathskeller. So where were the South Minneapolis types? Renee made it in from Wisconsin! (But don't believe her--it wasn't that cold! She was shaking, but that was on the dance floor.) Alan Shilepsky Downtown ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Candidates for Governor Weigh in on Mpls Specific Issues
http://www.skywaynews.net/display/inn_news/news01.txt 1) Skyway News Asked: Would you favor state funding for the Downtown planetarium? The new Guthrie Theater on the riverfront? The baseball stadium? [Note: last year, the city sought $9.5 million for the planetarium, and the Guthrie requested $35 million from the state for a $125 million project.] These answers might surprise you or maybe not. 2) Also, Skyway News asked: The vast majority of commuters travel to work by themselves in their own cars. Do you agree that's a problem? If you do, what would you do about it? Moe, Pentel, Penny said yes to this answer. Only Moe mentioned his stance on the 35W expansion project: Moe: I would prefer other options [to expanding I-35W through south Minneapolis]. I would prefer, like I said, rail options, some other transit options. ... I don't know how you could even afford to do that [expand I-35W]. 3) This one is for Ms. Heller the other budgetary watchdogs on the list: Skyway News asked: The state's aid to local government (LGA) is a major source of revenue to cities such as Minneapolis [$111 million, or 34 percent of the city's general-fund budget in 2002]. But many people say that to balance its budget, the state will have to cut LGA next budget cycle. Would you? If so, how much? 4) At the end of the article are transcripts of the first half of each interview. (Dated Sept. 12th for Penny, Sept. 13th for Pentel, Sept. 16th for Moe, Sept. 27th for Pawlenty) Enjoy your discussion, I'm at my 2 post max for the day, but will be following the progress. -mandy tempel (NE) ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Thanks, Craig!
At 10:47 AM 10/7/02 -0500, Craig Miller wrote: There were a couple of southsiders present. Mike Holhman, the Wiz, Barb Lickness, I'm sorry if I missed a couple of you. In general though, considering how bottom heavy this list is with south siders, as usual they wouldn't deign to cross Hennepin Ave and see what happens up north. Too bad they missed it. The Wiz was not there -- as far as I saw. Rosalind Nelson, Annie Young, and Terrell Brown were all there. I'm a former southsider but now live over in Near North. Eva Eva Eva Young Near North Minneapolis You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone - not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be. --Article II of the Bill of Non-Rights. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Thanks, Craig!
I agree with the Name Tag idea for the future and not letting the balloons loose from the table so we can all be together. I too think there were lots more of us then we really knew about. In the future I hope we can chose a place collectively and it will be a place where we have the ability to talk to one another without hundreds of others around. It was an interesting, fun evening in NE but I wanted to be with my e-list friends more than happened that night. 'Til next time, Annie Young East Phillips At 09:52 AM 10/7/02 -0500, Alan Shilepsky wrote: Thanks Craig, it was excellent!! And Octoberfest at Gasthaus was a gas! What an alive crowd. Besides us, NE neighborhood types, and college students, there was a Carlson School of Business contingent having a reception/party in the Rathskeller. So where were the South Minneapolis types? Renee made it in from Wisconsin! (But don't believe her--it wasn't that cold! She was shaking, but that was on the dance floor.) Alan Shilepsky Downtown ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Thanks, Craig!
I was there and I'm a southsider. It was a good time and I didn't mind the cold. But the music was so astonishingly loud that I was reminded of when I lived a mile from JFK airport in Queens, and we'd wait for the gaps between jets in order to continue our conversations... P.S. I have been properly chastised, please stop telling me that it's a list rule to sign our messages. I got it, thanks. Bob Alberti, President Sanction, Inc. Data Security http://www.sanction.netCusp of Longfellow and Seward A Tempest! Grab the teabag and hang on for your life! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Eva Young Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 11:18 AM To: Craig Miller; Alan Shilepsky; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mpls] Thanks, Craig! At 10:47 AM 10/7/02 -0500, Craig Miller wrote: There were a couple of southsiders present. Mike Holhman, the Wiz, Barb Lickness, I'm sorry if I missed a couple of you. In general though, considering how bottom heavy this list is with south siders, as usual they wouldn't deign to cross Hennepin Ave and see what happens up north. Too bad they missed it. The Wiz was not there -- as far as I saw. Rosalind Nelson, Annie Young, and Terrell Brown were all there. I'm a former southsider but now live over in Near North. Eva Eva Eva Young Near North Minneapolis You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone - not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be. --Article II of the Bill of Non-Rights. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] 10/17 Green Tomato Cook-Off
If you have a funny story about green tomatoes (True or fiction - it doesn't matter) or you have a recipe for green tomatoes e-mail it to me off-list. Paul Weir and myself are the official or unofficial co-editors of a new tabloid newspaper called the Tomato Times. It will have only one issue so don't miss your chance to be published. Barb Lickness Whittier 1/2 Editor in Chief, Tomato Times Newspaper = Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Re: Flakes in Minneapolis
I saw some on the windshield at 9:30 a.m. on 35W. There oughtta be a law against this -- it's too early! Barbara Nelson Burnsville Once and future Minneapolitan -- Barbara Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] True friends stab you in the front. --Oscar Wilde ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Thanks, Craig!
Bill Kingsbury, Rosalind Nelson, Terrill Brown, formerly Eva Young who recently moved North, and myself were also southsiders who made it to NE. I never saw Wizard as noted in Craig's post. And I met some folks from the list and don't know which side of town they live on. I bet there were others from the south since we were all never together in one place. I bet there were even list folks there who never found anyone in the group because we don't know each others faces - only our signatures from the list. Oh well - this will improve next time around. I was really surprised Jim Graham wasn't there - I know he likes to party. Annie Young EAst Phillips At 10:47 AM 10/7/02 -0500, Craig Miller wrote: There were a couple of southsiders present. Mike Holhman, the Wiz, Barb Lickness, I'm sorry if I missed a couple of you. In general though, considering how bottom heavy this list is with south siders, as usual they wouldn't deign to cross Hennepin Ave and see what happens up north. Too bad they missed it. Sticking it in the eye of the south side. Former Camdenite Craig Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS: Any one seen my Official Oktoberfest Mug? When I switched from German to Irish, they switched mugs and my two chipper was gone. Subject: [Mpls] Thanks, Craig! Thanks Craig, it was excellent!! And Octoberfest at Gasthaus was a gas! What an alive crowd. Besides us, NE neighborhood types, and college students, there was a Carlson School of Business contingent having a reception/party in the Rathskeller. So where were the South Minneapolis types? Renee made it in from Wisconsin! (But don't believe her--it wasn't that cold! She was shaking, but that was on the dance floor.) Alan Shilepsky Downtown ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Flakes in Minneapolis
Against the street light on 21st street, I saw flakes of either snow or frost falling out of the air this morning at between 6:36 and 6:45, (when I took Maggie,my dog, out for nature's call). I also can not believe how dark it is at that time. Yes, winter has snuck upon us, and I am not prepared for it. Maybe I should buy a house down on the Gulf so summer can linger a couple more months. Steve I agree with the one poster, seeing Flakes near City Hall is like saying you saw money in a bank. I am more pessimistic than Robinson. I will go with November 21. A full three weeks after the date of the great Halloween Blizzard. How about the date of the first declared snow emergency? For that I will go with December 3. I will also go with April 6th 2003 for Ice Out. Jim Graham, Ventura Village - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Mpls] Flakes in Minneapolis How about a little wager as to when the first 1 inch or more snowfall will occur in Minneapolis? Kind of like the Ice out bets in the spring. December 3rd is my claim. 9:40 a.m., S. 4th St. near City Hall. Several snowflakes landed on my windshield. First sighting in Minneapolis or can someone beat that? Steve Brandt Born during the winter of 51-52 (the big one) ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Twins
Speaking of the handicapped and the current or new Twins' stadium: Something should be done about those who are handicapped and not in wheelchairs. I have a friend who is 74, never misses a Twins game -- a HUGE fan. Several times I have offered to take her to a Twins game and she has always found some flimsy excuse to decline. Finally, she came clean. She is crippled up from rheumatoid arthritis, but she gets around just fine, thank you, with the help of a cane. However, it is just impossible for her to negotiate the steps in the Metrodome. She informed me that she can only sit on the main floor (no elevators), and even that is nearly impossible because there are no railings as you descend to your seat. She says it is just too much of a physical challenge to attend a game. If we wanted to encourage the senior crowd, I think accessibility for the movement-impaired (not disabled) is something that could definitely be improved. Have to agree that this is a key audience for the Twins and having more of a presence at the game would be a great step towards a more inclusive community. On the other hand, I have a friend who has seasons tickets to the Vikings and attends with a parapeligic who is in a wheelchair. The non-wheelchair, but movement impaired, fan would probably have the same problem as above, right? This friend says they have terrific seats now -- and attributes it to the handicapped status of their seats. Apparently, at Vikings games the longer you hold your tickets the more advantageous seats you can obtain and handicapped seating section is better than they would be otherwise. Barbara Nelson Burnsville Once and future Minneapolitan ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Oh oh, another budget buster - Target Center deal goes sour
Rochelle Olson's complete article in today's Strib: http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3348385.html Vicky Heller North Oaks Cedar-Riverside ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Snow'in dating game
I just can't resist a simple topic like this. With so many vital and important issue on the list I have to make a guess about when we'll have our first 1 snow fall. My guess is October 27, 2002. -- In cooperation, Erik Riese Seward: a great place to live, work, learn, and play! (612) 724-3217 home ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Snow'in dating game
Snow date? While I don't have premonitions, I'd say it's pretty much a guarantee that it'll be October 19th or 20th, since the family and I are going on a Cub Scout family camp trip that weekend. Bruce Anderson Blaine, formerly of Waite Park Camden ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Flakes in Minneapolis
Flakes sighted at 8:47a.m. at the Crown Roller Mill. Jill Harmon Cleveland _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Twins *Sigh*
Twins Quiz: What do Bud Selig, Carl Pohlad and The Oakland A's all have in common? Answer: They all tried to eliminate the Twin this year! ;-) Go Twins!! Michael S Guest Campaign Coordinator Dakota Citizens for our Land and Water 651-287-0883 www.voteYESon1.org Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
[Mpls] Community Ownership of the Twins
I have supported the idea of community ownership for a long time. Below is a link to the bill introduced by me in the House and Senator Ellen Anderson in the Senate. The bills passed through committees in both Houses and were on the floor before adjournment. Obviously the folks who want a stadium don't want to let this more sensible idea get in the way. The bill as proposed neither required nor prohibited any public entity from being a part owner. There is very good historical evidance to show that the value increase of professional sports teams has always exceeded the SP 500 and in this current market climate it would be so far ahead as a good investment that the comparison would be laughable. When I get to my files on this subject (in a few days) I can expand on the concept of both the philosophy and the numbers. I'm fairly sure I posted on this earlier in the year. http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/cgi-bin/getbill.pl?number=HF2587session=ls82version=latestsession_number=0session_year=2002 ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Gastov's
Hello All, First chance I have had to check my email. I missed the info about the balloons at Gastov's. I did not get there until after 9 p.m. and I looked in the tent, downstairs and on the main floor and saw no one I knew. I was hoping that htere would be a sign but saw none. I saw a lot of people with beer mugs, and a few people with shirts on that said Jim. I asked if they were from the forum and one guy leered, and said he could be. That was when I exited. I am not a drinker at all, but would have enjoyed talking to people. Maybe next time we could have name tags on or something. Anyway, hope you all had a wonderful time. Till next time, Pamela Taylor (In Minneapolis until Tuesday) P.S. I was supposed to have coffee/lunch with a list member, but I was so caught up with my grandkids. I apologize. If anyone wants to say hello my Cell number is (813)843-8367. --- James E Jacobsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was at the Gastov's, and had some German food and drink, I knew and met about three people there connected with the Minneapolis List. Am sure there was a lot more listers there. The meet is a good thing, though two things; 01. It should be in a warm place, room of its own, 02. It should have sign in sheet and name tags so that everyone can see who everyone is and to lend basis for speaking with each other. I didn't stay much as my Grandma was dieing that night, though it would be fun to do it again better. James Jacobsen // Whittier ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] I'm scared of your police force
I read the St. Paul Police Chief's editorial in the St. Paul paper. I thought that it was a reasonable approach and didn't see how Renee concluded that that he didn't have any understanding of mental illness. I am not a big fan of the police and have been critical of the Mpls police treatment of several high-profile cases in which they shot mentally ill people. I don't know much about St. Paul, but since I never see any articles on the use of deadly force against mentally ill people, I have to conclude that they have some understanding of mental illness. My one direct experience with the Mpls police dealing with a person who was having a psychotic break was very positive. That person was my son. Four police came, tried to talk him down, called an ambulence, restrained him and took him to the hospital. Throughout this ordeal, the cops were respectful and careful. It was clear from the beginning that he needed to go to the hospital and every action they took was directed at that goal. They were like a football team. They went into a huddle, lined up and went into action. I was there and there were no weapons. My postive experience doesn't mean that the Mpls police couldn't benefit from more training about mental illness or that other alternatives could be used. When I was in graduate school, some of my friends who were studying clinical and community psychology served internships with the police department. They rode around with the cops on weekends and were brought into situations where people were having psychotic breaks. The psychology students were better trained at assessment and talking people down. The cops made the decisions about the level of force but they consulted first with the psychologists. I always wondered why the Mpls police dept. never made use of this model. Instead of opting for the Memphis model why don't they partner with the University of Minnesota to try the system developed at the University of Michigan and the Ann Arbor Police. I know of one person who now teaches at the University of Minnesota who was trained in this system. There may be liability issues, but at least examine some alternatives that have worked elsewhere, but don't have the police chiefs' association seal of approval. The St. Paul police chief seems to understand the problem. What about the Minneapolis police chief? David Wilson Loring Park ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] candidate fair celebration of democracy event
Southwest Citizens for Civic Engagement, in participation with Southwest Journal, Southwest Community Ed, the League of Women Voters brings you a new way to vote down the ballot with purpose- read the candidate job descriptions and interview them at . . . Getting to the Bottom of the Ballot's Candidate Fair A Neighborhood Celebration of Democracy Thursday, October 17th, 7-9 p.m. Lake Harriet School Upper Campus, 50th Street Washburn Ave. S. -Candidates from School Board to U.S. Senate invited to participate - over 30 candidates confirmed so far, including candidates for Lt. Governor, Secretary of State, State Auditor, State House Senate, and School Board - Talk politics with candidates and your neighbors over food from Famous Dave's - No speeches or debates - this is a chance for you to talk one to one with the candidates - Pick up a copy of A New Guide to State and Local Elections at the event for elected office job descriptions, salaries, budget responsibilities, and examples of how their work impacts us (originally published in the August 19th edition of the SW Journal) Questions or to volunteer with this effort, please send me an email off-list. Thanks! *Southwest Citizens for Civic Engagement is a project of the Fulton Neighborhood Association in cooperation with a growing list of neighborhood organizations including Linden Hills, Lynnhurst, Windom, Kenny, Armatage, and Kingfield. Call (612) 922-3106 for more information. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Community Ownership of the Twins
--- Phyllis Kahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have supported the idea of community ownership for a long time. I think this is a great idea. All of the people who say their kids love the Twins--I wonder how many of those parents will be able to afford tickets for their family if we end up with a luxury-suited, big-ticket stadium. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell now of Bruno, MN who's still smarting over Detroit's 1987 loss, but who hates Bud Selig even worse, so GO TWINS __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Oh oh, another budget buster - Target Center deal goes sour
As we debate financing strategies for a new Twins stadium I hope our elected officials here at home and in St. Paul take heed the following lesson learned from the Target Center: Cities don't have the resources to finance, maintain, operate, and upgrade regional facilities such as stadium and arenas. These are regional (even statewide and inter-state) facilities that should be funded as such. Dean E. Carlson East Harriet, Ward 10 (Twins in 5!!) - Original Message - From: Victoria Heller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mpls Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 2:16 PM Subject: [Mpls] Oh oh, another budget buster - Target Center deal goes sour Rochelle Olson's complete article in today's Strib: http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3348385.html Vicky Heller North Oaks Cedar-Riverside ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] This week in Skyway News/Southwest Journal
Several stories of interest for list members this week - here are just a few: Reporter Kevin Featherly and I did hour-plus interviews with the four major gubernatorial candidates, with plenty of Minneapolis-specific questions (35W expansion and airport stuff for SW Journal; Planetarium, Guthrie and stadium for Skyway News). Full transcripts OR a condensed version that appeared in print are available at: http://www.skywaynews.net http://www.swjournal.com Also, reporter Scott Russell wrote an extensive overview of the Minneapolis Institute of Arts' expansion and the neighbors' reaction at the swjournal.com site. Feedback welcome, here or on the list (disclaimer: a few Guv questions ventured into non-Minneapolis-specific territory, so I'd appreciate those comments, if any, off-list). David Brauer King Field Editor, SW Journal and Skyway News ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] A little information on running this list
Since late last week I've been filling in for David on the administrative duties of the list manager. This basically amounted to checking posts that the software automatically holds because of problems (usually posts held because of the spam and virus protection it does). I have renewed admiration for David's work. Those administrative issues take a significant amount of time! Thank you David for returning! sheldon . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . sheldon mains cell 612/618-7149 board memberhome 612/729-4088 minnesota e-democracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Minnesota's electronic town square: http://www.e-democracy.org Sign up for e-mail based political discussions about Minnesota political issues and events, Minneapolis issues, St. Paul issues or announcements of Minnesota political events at the web site. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Community Ownership of the Twins
Phyllis Kahn wrote: I have supported the idea of community ownership for a long time. Jim Graham wrote: If Carl Pohlad was smart he would turn the team into such a public offered stock corporation at say $25.00 to $30.00 per share for 10 million shares. Carl would make a killing and the whole state would love him. I watched the end of the Twins win yesterday with mixed emotions. On one hand, I felt great for the over-achieving players, who weren't given a prayer of winning. Great stuff. On the other hand, as Hocking was squeezing the third out, Carl Pohlad was probably thinking that he could get an extra $25 million for the Twins now. This community ownership thing is really a bad idea, more so if governmental units are involved in any way. If you believe the owners' complaints about the river of red ink on their profit and loss statements, what happens when the $300 million stake is eaten up in operating losses? (Jim Graham's $30/share x 10 million shares -- for a franchise that is worth $150-175 million, at most) Where does additional money come from? More stock diluting the holdings of the current stockholders? Do you continue running a low-budget operation, a la Pohlad? If you don't win, people won't come and the financials get worse. The reason a bunch of rich folks own teams is that they have deep pockets and big egos. As Rep. Kahn points out, the value of a franchise will generally increase reasonably over time, but when you factor in operating losses, the cost of debt that the owners are floating to each other, and the overall uncertainty of the future of the product, a baseball team really stinks as an investment. Using governmental entities to front for this bad investment would be really irresponsible. And is it just me, or is using the elderly and the disabled as some rationale for funding a ballpark to keep the Twins a little desperate, or worse? This reminded me of arguments during the ballpark debate in the last session of the Legislature. Reps got up to talk about how their mothers in [fill in the rural town] love to listen to the Twins on the Victrola (or Philco or whatever old-timey brand of radio sounded good in their rambling). The only thing they forgot when it came time for a bill was to tax their mothers for keeping the Twins. The taxes will all fall on the locality where the stadium is built. If the team is such an asset, then why doesn't everyone pay? We are going to have a $3 billion state shortfall for fiscal '04-'05. If Pawlenty is elected, a chunk of that will almost certainly come out of aid to cities. How can anyone seriously start another debate on another ballpark bill in this economic climate? Walt Cygan Keewaydin ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
