RE: 4/2-pause
" I have never seen that in a 4/2 beat. It is misleading since the " whole rest has then two meanings, depending on the position: half a " bar or a whole bar. " " Do people object to using a whole rest symbol as a in 2/4 or " 3/8 time? Or is that OK since you would never have a 4-beat rest, so no " ambiguity could arise. What about a full-bar rest in 6/4 or 3/2? My personal thought is that whenever a time is less than 4/4 it is strongly preferred to use a whole rest symbol as a full-bar rest . I am also fairly sure than in 4/2, since you have a breve rest to put a full-bar rest, the meaning of a whole is just 2/2. I am not really sure about 6/4 and especially 3/2, but if I wanted to have a full-bar rest, I would probably code a dotted whole. ciao, .mau.
Re: 4/2-pause
Christian Mondrup wrote: Alexander Jolk wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as I know and according to Chlapik a full bar rest is always the same, independent of the meter: a centered whole pause. I have never seen that in a 4/2 beat. It is misleading since the whole rest has then two meanings, depending on the position: half a bar or a whole bar. That's what I thought as well. If there were an easy way to change this behaviour, I'd be very grateful... Since your score keeps meter 4/2 a way of doing what you want could be: Meter: 4/2 Style: Singer Bars/Line: 4 %%\let\pause\pauseSAV This is of course nonsense ! Please substitute with %%\let\pauseSAV\pause %%\let\pause\PAuse g2 g g g | rp | g2 g g g -- Christian Mondrup, Computer Programmer Scandiatransplant, Skejby Hospital, University Hospital of Aarhus Brendstrupgaardsvej, DK 8200 Aarhus N, Denmark Phone: +45 89 49 53 01 -- Christian Mondrup, Computer Programmer Scandiatransplant, Skejby Hospital, University Hospital of Aarhus Brendstrupgaardsvej, DK 8200 Aarhus N, Denmark Phone: +45 89 49 53 01
Re: 4/2-pause
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:40:38 +0200
From: Christian Mondrup [EMAIL PROTECTED]
%%\let\pause\pauseSAV
Imho you mean %%\let\pauseSAV\pause which enables you to revoke the
redefinition of \pause if neccessary at a later point.
%%\let\pause\PAuse
When I try to use PMX's code to generate what I want, I use instead:
%%\def\PAuseforpause{\gdef\pause{\PAuse\global\let\pause\pauseSAV}}
This allows to use "\PAuseforpause\ rp" to generate \PAuse without
loosing the ability to use "r0", to. So we now have:
Meter: 4/2
Style: Singer
Bars/Line: 4
%%\let\pauseSAV\pause
%%\def\PAuseforpause{\gdef\pause{\PAuse\global\let\pause\pauseSAV}}
rm2 g2 g g g | \PAuseforpause\ rp | g2 g r0 | r0 g2 g
But as Don told already, "r9" will do the same.
Concerning Christof Biebricher's statement that "rp" has to be coded
as \PAuse with 4/2 meter I like to ask, how "rm2" has to be coded
then. Normally it's coded as \PAuse, too. Is the "2" above sufficient
to avoid confusion?
Up to now I'm not convinced that "rp" has to be coded as \PAuse with
4/2 meter. Imho it's sufficient that \pause for rp is centered whilst
\pause for r0 may not be centered. Has anybody seen a real case?
If I as a typesetter would fear confusion I wouldn't code a full bar
rest with 4/2 meter, but use "r0 r0". Another possibility would be
to typeset \pause with a "1" over it - another reason to introduce
"rm1" into PMX as I proposed Don privately some time ago.
Concerning 3/2 or 6/4 meter I would use a centered \pause as fullbar
rest. Dotted rests are always hard to read especially if the dot is
applied to a half or whole rest.
-- Werner
RE: 4/2-pause
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Alexander Jolk wrote: Hi, There seem to be diverging opinions as to whether a whole bar rest in a meter exceeding 4/4 should be realized using \pause or not. While the only written source cited so far, Werner Icking's table taken from Chlapik, does indeed propose a \pause, I'm sure many among us have seen this done differently. Most of the scores that I have within arms reach use \PAuse for a whole bars rest in 4/2 metre. (For the record they are some Lawes from Musica Britannica and Faber, and a couple of volumes of 16 century instrumental music from Garland.) I'm pretty sure that the same happens in Brahms's Deutsches Requiem, but it's been a couple of years since I last played it and my recollection could be wrong. For the contrary practice, all I could find were ``Kiss on Wood'' by James MacMillan, pub. by Boosey and Hawkes, which uses \pause for a whole bars rest in 4/2 (and \hpause \hpause for a half bar), and ``Stille Musik'' by Schnittke (Edition Sikorski) which uses \pause for a whole bars rest in n/4 (n=5,6,7,8). So it looks like both versions are acceptable in current music publishing practice. I think I prefer the \PAuse convention, at least if the music is in a fixed metre. -- Huw Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
