Re: Announcing an Emacs mode for mutt configuration files
* Rob Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-18 19:32:52 -0400]: All it does is syntax highlighting, and not even perfectly, but I like it. It's especially handy if like me you installed jed's muttrc.sl but use emacs far more often than jed. I use: , | davep@hagbard:~$ head -7 /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/muttrc-mode.el | ;;; muttrc-mode.el --- Major mode to edit muttrc under Emacs | | ;;; Copyright (C) 2000 Laurent Pelecq | ;;; | ;;; Author: Laurent Pelecq [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ;;; | ;;; $Id: muttrc-mode.el,v 2.12 2000/11/29 01:18:21 laurent Exp $ ` but, annoyingly, I can't remember where I got it from and I can't locate it in the ELL or via Google. -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
[OT] using mutt like OE - KILL
18-Apr-02 at 22:42, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : this also earns you a line in my killfile. I checked up on Google Sven Guckes killfile to remind myself about killfiles and work out what this actually meant. Sven, all your pages are access forbidden, and I see you are redirecting people to the Google cached versions. What happened to the webserver? -- Jr arrq xvyysvyrf gung npghnyyl *xvyy*! I thought you weren't happy about seeing that quoted, and now you are quoting it yourself... -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:79.26% see www.mersenne.org] Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. -- Diderot EBG13, rnfl jvgu Ivz, V org n ybg bs crbcyr fgvyy qba'g trg vg gubhtu!
Re: setting envelope-from
how can I set the envelope-from independently from From: ? As is, mutt AFAIK envelope_from does nothing but invokes sendmail with parameter -f From:-Header Correct By setting sendmail directly you can call it with the -f paramater set freely, i.e. to your real email adress. This is independent from the setting of From: Oh - ok, great. Good trick. But I'll have a problem with this: ~~/.muttrc: folder-hook .*-List set sendmail=/usr/sbin/sendmail -oem -oi folder-hook .*-List set from= folder-hook .*-List set envelope_from=yes folder-hook XXX.*-List source ~/.muttrc.obscurefrom ~~/.muttrc.obscurefrom: set sendmail=/usr/sbin/sendmail -oem -oi -f real@... set from=hidden@... set envelope_from=no When I c folder to XXX-List, I get an error: -oem: unknown variable which I can't make sense of. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks, Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.orcon.net.nz/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
Re: subject munging is bad!
* Michal 'hramrach' Suchanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-18 08:21]: BTW: Some lists tag the subject with [listname] and are aesy to filter even on less capable systems like freemail services. Subject munging just takes away space from the Subject lines and creates even more problems than it solves (see sig). procmail users won't ever have the need for Subject tags. once you understand that you will never ever set up maillist with subject tags - unless, of course, the majority of the subscribers is a bunch of losers with crappy mailers. ;-) Sven -- Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] MailList (A Guide to) Life on Mailing Lists MailList http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/faq/maillist.html MailList HOWTO edit messages and avoid basic mistakes
message/partial
I just received a file split up into 87 emails. Is there any way for mutt to decode those mails, all of which are of the MIME type message/partial? -- patrik_wallstrom-foodfight-[EMAIL PROTECTED]+46-709580442
setting 'From' header
so i know this *should* be easy, but i haven't had any luck. if i try to set my header like: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Will Yardley) instead of: From: Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] the message still comes across like the second example, even if i comment out 'set envelope_from', 'set realname' and anything else remotely related to setting my from header. i've tried doing 'unmy_hdr From:' first, and using various combinations of send-hooks, but still no love. any ideas? -- Will Yardley input: william @ hq . newdream . net .
Re: using mutt like OE - KILL
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-18 22:42:51 +0200]: -- Jr arrq xvyysvyrf gung npghnyyl *xvyy*! Including killing those who don't use proper sig dashes, presumably? -- Dave Pearson: | mutt.octet.filter - autoview octet-streams http://www.davep.org/ | mutt.vcard.filter - autoview simple vcards Mutt: | muttrc2html - muttrc - HTML utility http://www.davep.org/mutt/ | muttrc.sl - Jed muttrc mode
Re: AW: IMAP to Exchange
David T-G (1st level) and Mutt-Users (2nd level)... % I already searched the newsgroups concerning imap and mutt and didn´t find anything helpful. % But i am seeking to read my mailinglists and news on exchange with my mutt. Unless you can come up with how it's already been done, I don't expect that you'll find it. Public Folders and news are not the same as mail. Hello I got IMAP with Exchange working with PINE before I was enlightened. I could get all my mail folders working nicely, but not Public Folders (not much anyway, although I could see some mail header-like data) and the Calendar stuff. Appointments are email messages with a body that can be parsed for the information required. There is even a PERL script on the 'net somewhere that converts these to iCal appointments. On Mailing Lists: You may be able to get these to work. Since I have no interest in getting Mutt or any other IMAP client to work with this, I can't help you further, but look at this which I found in a quick hunt: http://www.extundo.com/gnus-imap/buggy-imap-servers.html There is reference to an IMAP implementation because it is in coding an IMAP backend that the person who wrote this page come up with it, the command: 57 SELECT Public Folders/Mailing lists/Ionific internal discussion appears to work, albeit with buggy flags. You may need to escape spaces from your shell to get these working? For those of you who won't surf to that page, I don't suppose there is any need to tell you that Exchange's IMAP bugs take more space than any other server on the list ;-) On Public Folders: The problem is that Public Folders are not mailboxes; they don't follow standards. They use some kind of mailbox header-like style, but are not browsable via an IMAP client. Not even Outlook Express IMAP mode has code hacked into it to speak properly with Exchange. Exchange as a mail server barely has POP and IMAP connectivity working properly, but anything else is just a large waste of your time. If you must use Exchange and browse all that stuff, I suggest Evolution with the Ximian Connector for Exchange. Apparently that works pretty well, however of note is the announcement from www.slipstick.com: Ximian Connects UNIX/Linux PIM to Exchange 2000 Ximian Connector is now available to connect the Ximian PIM for UNIX and Linux desktops to Exchange 2000. The Ximian user interface is very similar to Outlook's and, with the connector, provides access to all data in a user's mailbox except Journal and Notes folders. Group scheduling and other collaboration features are built in. It does not, however, provide support for Exchange public folders or out-of-office messages. (27 Mar) Interesting, Public Folders are therefore strange beasts... Notes: Exchange keeps all your mail (even if separated into folders) in one huge .pst file. Maybe Exchange 2000 has changed this structure but it was certainly the case for 5.5. Conclusion: Exchange is just another Windows share on the network /pretending/ to be a mail server ;-) -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:79.19% see www.mersenne.org] When the bosses talk about improving productivity, they are never talking about themselves. [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: setting envelope-from
On 2002-04-19 Volker Kuhlmann wrote: how can I set the envelope-from independently from From: ? As is, mutt AFAIK envelope_from does nothing but invokes sendmail with parameter -f From:-Header Correct By setting sendmail directly you can call it with the -f paramater set freely, i.e. to your real email adress. This is independent from the setting of From: Oh - ok, great. Good trick. But I'll have a problem with this: ~~/.muttrc: folder-hook .*-List set sendmail=/usr/sbin/sendmail -oem -oi folder-hook .*-List set from= folder-hook .*-List set envelope_from=yes folder-hook XXX.*-List source ~/.muttrc.obscurefrom ~~/.muttrc.obscurefrom: set sendmail=/usr/sbin/sendmail -oem -oi -f real@... set from=hidden@... set envelope_from=no When I c folder to XXX-List, I get an error: -oem: unknown variable which I can't make sense of. Can anyone enlighten me? But the first folder-hooks work? Why don't you set the variables for XXX.*-List the same way then? Regards, Christoph -- Christoph Maurer - D - 52072 Aachen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.christophmaurer.de On my Homepage: SuSE 7.0 on an Acer Travelmate 508 T Notebook
Re: ZipLip - KillFile
On Friday, Apr 19, 2002, Sven Guckes wrote: * mstevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-18 19:40]: From: mstevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: mstevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Replying with headers Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: ZipLip Sonoma v3.2 no name in FROM line - but a completely redundant REPLYTO. *sigh* The MID without FQDN and to top it all - no references! argh! great - yet another broken mailer which gets added to my killfile. Isn't ziplip webmail? Not saying that it isn't broken, just checking. =) -- Intolerant people should be shot. heh -- Paul Cox paul at coxcentral dot com Kernel: 2.4.18-6mdk - Uptime: 23 hours 18 minutes.
Re: mutt maillist distribution via alias@domain
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [04/19/02 12:19]:
I have appended my procmail rules
which sort them into IN.MUTT mostly - enjoy!
You do not need a rule for each alias (mutt.org, gbnet.net, etc.).
Filtering on the Sender field, you catch them all. Basically, for
Mutt lists I have:
:0
* ^Sender: owner-mutt-\/[^@]+
{
# dev, users, announce, po
MUTTLIST=$MATCH
# CVS Changelog
:0:
* $MUTTLIST ?? dev
* ^Subject: \[.*\] CVS commit messages
ML/mutt-cvs-log
# bug reports
:0:
* $MUTTLIST ?? dev
* ^Subject:.*(bug#|Processed:)
Spool_Mutt_bug
# everything else goes in the appropriate spool
:0:
Spool_Mutt_$MUTTLIST
}
You could even skip the cvs log and bug report parts.
--
Cedric
AW: AW: IMAP to Exchange
Unless you can come up with how it's already been done, I don't expect that you'll find it. Public Folders and news are not the same as mail. Hm, with Netscape and Imap i have no problem at all, browsinf reading and writing fron the Public Folders. Unfortunatly the first level is also possible with mutt, so to say i can already do reading and writing in public Folders with mutt, but only to a certain level of subfolders. Netscape has no Problem with that. If you can telnet to the IMAP port on the exchange server and somehow have a news article displayed to you, then document that clearly and let us know and we'll go from there. Unfortunatly i didn´t manage to switch to the right folders on the command line. Maybe there is a way to collect the mails via fetchmail. Otherwise there will be no ways around Netscape or Outlook on Win2k. Never thought this could be so difficult with mutt Thanks anyway
Re: setting 'From' header
Will -- ...and then Will Yardley said... % % so i know this *should* be easy, but i haven't had any luck. Well, I don't know that it should... % % if i try to set my header like: % From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Will Yardley) % % instead of: % From: Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm curious about why you would care. The two are functionally equivalent, right? % % the message still comes across like the second example, even if i % comment out 'set envelope_from', 'set realname' and anything else % remotely related to setting my from header. I *think* that the latter form is preferred according to the RFC and so mutt reformats whatever it gets into that uniform model. It can certainly take From: headers in a number of formats, but my vague recollection of this discussion in the past is that it will write consistently. HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg27420/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: message/partial
Patrik -- ...and then Patrik Wallstrom said... % % I just received a file split up into 87 emails. Is there any way for Ouch! % mutt to decode those mails, all of which are of the MIME type % message/partial? What happens if tag them and then feed them to munpack? % % -- % patrik_wallstrom-foodfight-[EMAIL PROTECTED]+46-709580442 :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg27421/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: message/partial
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, David T-G wrote:
% I just received a file split up into 87 emails. Is there any way for
Ouch!
Yes, it seems that Outlook Express can send those ugly things.
% mutt to decode those mails, all of which are of the MIME type
% message/partial?
What happens if tag them and then feed them to munpack?
Actually, I managed to solve it. This was needed in mailcap:
message/partial; showpartial %s %{id} %{number} %{total} ; copiousoutput
Then, when I read each mail, showpartial builds a lot of tmp-files and
when I read all of the emails there was a tmp-file in /tmp that
actually was the file I wanted, but with a strange name.
I don't know how showpartial works, but it did. I hope I will never
receive message/partial again. :)
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Re: message/partial
Patrik, et al --
Pat, I couldn't find your key... Is it known to be on a particular
server?
...and then Patrik Wallstrom said...
%
% On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, David T-G wrote:
%
% % I just received a file split up into 87 emails. Is there any way for
% Ouch!
%
% Yes, it seems that Outlook Express can send those ugly things.
Heh. One more thing that hurts :-)
%
% % mutt to decode those mails, all of which are of the MIME type
% % message/partial?
%
% What happens if tag them and then feed them to munpack?
%
% Actually, I managed to solve it. This was needed in mailcap:
% message/partial; showpartial %s %{id} %{number} %{total} ; copiousoutput
Oh, good to know. Thanks!
%
...
% I don't know how showpartial works, but it did. I hope I will never
% receive message/partial again. :)
Yeah :-)
I checked the man page and it's actually quite simple; yay.
Now to see if I can figure out how to change it away from /tmp, which is
small here...
%
% --
% patrik_wallstrom-foodfight-[EMAIL PROTECTED]+46-709580442
HAND
:-D
--
David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles
(play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie
(work) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: quotes - set attribution=`script`
On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 04:26:14PM -0600, Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote: Alas! Bernard Massot spake thus: try this:set attribution=`script` im mutt, of course. good idea but I need a way to give the script the date of the mail if I launch it with %d, the script doesn't see the date but the string %d Easy fix. In your muttrc do this: set attribution=`script %d`, and then in the script, $* will have the date of the mail in it. that's exactly what I've done but the script sees the litteral string %d instead of the date ! my script is called like that: «/home/bernard/.mutt/deiziat.sh %d» and not «/home/bernard/.mutt/deiziat.sh some_date» -- Bernard Massot msg27425/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: message/partial
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, David T-G wrote: Pat, I couldn't find your key... Is it known to be on a particular server? I know it is on http://www.keyserver.net/ and another server (forgot which). Which is the most common, or the most active server to poll keys from other servers? % I don't know how showpartial works, but it did. I hope I will never % receive message/partial again. :) Yeah :-) I checked the man page and it's actually quite simple; yay. Now to see if I can figure out how to change it away from /tmp, which is small here... If you have more time on your hands, you could figure out how to send those emails with mutt. :) -- patrik_wallstrom-foodfight-[EMAIL PROTECTED]+46-709580442 msg27426/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: message/partial
Patrik, et al -- ...and then Patrik Wallstrom said... % % On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, David T-G wrote: % % Pat, I couldn't find your key... Is it known to be on a particular % server? % % I know it is on http://www.keyserver.net/ and another server (forgot % which). Oh, right. I bet gpg actually uses port 80 for that, too. Two steps upstream of us changed some routing on Tuesday night and we were dark all day Wednesday, and now I cannot surf from my server (strace shows timeout after timeout). This is probably the same issue. % % Which is the most common, or the most active server to poll keys from % other servers? I've never figured that out, so I just have a big list of keyservers in my options file. I know that some work together in a clump and others work together in a different clump, but I don't know how many clumps there are out there. % % % I don't know how showpartial works, but it did. I hope I will never % % receive message/partial again. :) ... % Now to see if I can figure out how to change it away from /tmp, which is % small here... % % If you have more time on your hands, you could figure out how to send % those emails with mutt. :) *snort* Why, so you can foist them off on someone else?? :-) % % -- % patrik_wallstrom-foodfight-[EMAIL PROTECTED]+46-709580442 Thanks HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg27427/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
masquerading
I changed my hostname but want to have my previous hostname (which is a DNS CNAME alias to the new hostname) in mail postings (I subscribed several mailing lists with the old name) Is this possible with an entry in .muttrc/.mailrc? -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: masquerading
Christoph Kukulies ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: I changed my hostname but want to have my previous hostname (which is a DNS CNAME alias to the new hostname) in mail postings (I subscribed several mailing lists with the old name) Is this possible with an entry in .muttrc/.mailrc? - configure sendmail (or whatever MTA you're using to do propper masquerading or - for local mail set hostname=OLDHOST set use_domain - Internet mail set from=you@oldhost set use_from HTH, Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: masquerading
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 04:15:52PM +0200, Michael Tatge wrote: Christoph Kukulies ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: I changed my hostname but want to have my previous hostname (which is a DNS CNAME alias to the new hostname) in mail postings (I subscribed several mailing lists with the old name) Is this possible with an entry in .muttrc/.mailrc? - configure sendmail (or whatever MTA you're using to do propper masquerading or - for local mail set hostname=OLDHOST set use_domain - Internet mail set from=you@oldhost set use_from Sendmail solution may be the only option, if the mailing list checks sender address on the envelope instead of 'From:' header. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8 CPU cluster, NAS, (Slackware) Linux, Python, LaTeX, Vim, Mutt, Tin
Re: mutt maillist distribution via alias@domain
At 6:19 AM EDT on April 19 Sven Guckes sent off:
* Dan Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-17 17:18]:
Previously, s. keeling wrote: [whatever]
You seem to have sent this to something other than [EMAIL PROTECTED]
because my list-reply did not work. I had to enter the address manually.
Don't tell me the list has more than one address...
do I need to have multiple subscribe lines for it? Ugh.
there exist several local aliases for the mutt mailing lists -
on gbnet.org, sonytel.be, and yahoogroups.com.
so here are some of the addresses:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have appended my procmail rules
which sort them into IN.MUTT mostly - enjoy!
Sven [who'd set up the lists to deny distribution
via arbitrary addresses from other domains]
Do you really get a lot of mail with mutt- in it that *isn't* for one of the
mutt lists?
I see a lot of gbnet grumbling but I've never had a problem because I use a
minimum match philosophy:
# Sort away mails from the mutt (mail user agent) mailing list
:0
* ^Return-Path: mutt-users-owner
{
:0:
* ? $FORMAIL -x Subject: | grep -isF -f ~/.mutt/killfiles/muttin
dumpedthreads
:0:
muttin
}
Granted, this doesn't catch the other mutt lists (because I don't need to), and
IN.mutt would be a better name than muttin. Return-Path works (for now anyway)
and is cheaper than ^TO.
=== http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/setup/procmailrc
# 981009 - catch messages from gateway address on gbnet.net:
:0
* ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@(ns.)?gbnet.net
IN.MUTT
Just to clarify - are you using MH or maildirs, Sven? mbox users should use
:0:
(And I only mean to warn mbox users, not start a mbox/maildir jihad.)
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Score by mailer (was: Re: ZipLip - KillFile)
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [19.04.02 02:15]: great - yet another broken mailer which gets added to my killfile. Btw, am I right that there is no possibility to score by mailer with the score function since ~h is not allowed? So is there any other way to score (not only kill) by mailer? I searched in the mailing list archive and asked google, but I didn't find anything.
Re: procmail script for deleting duplicates
--Q0rSlbzrZN6k9QnT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! David T-G spake thus: % A better solution is simply to have duplicates sent to ~/mail/duplicates % instead of /dev/null, so that way you know what's being filtered. =20 ... but you'd still have the same problem even though you could manually get the messages back. It's better than losing them forever, and not knowing what procmail is hiding from you. --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- It wasn't that she had a rose in her teeth, exactly. It was more like the rose and the teeth were in the same glass. --Q0rSlbzrZN6k9QnT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8wFdBPTh2iSBKeccRAr0UAJ9Fdh79GVqsCG3nxfoPV+2PWaRZYACdFn9Q 531pom3qSnd0RFfKDmLGo64= =w5wx -END PGP SIGNATURE- --Q0rSlbzrZN6k9QnT--
Re: message/partial
Hi, * Patrik Wallstrom [04/19/02 15:07:32 CEST] wrote: I don't know how showpartial works, but it did. I hope I will never receive message/partial again. :) Well, I can image a reason to use message/partial. Some mailversers do have limits set how large a single mail may be. By splitting up and using message/partial you could easily send DVD Iso images to anybody (Imagine a 4 GB mail! ;-). Cheers, Rocco. msg27434/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: quotes - set attribution=`script`
Alas! Bernard Massot spake thus: Easy fix. In your muttrc do this: set attribution=`script %d`, and then in the script, $* will have the date of the mail in it. that's exactly what I've done but the script sees the litteral string %d instead of the date ! my script is called like that: «/home/bernard/.mutt/deiziat.sh %d» and not «/home/bernard/.mutt/deiziat.sh some_date» Ok, I've got it ;) The set attribution thing is expanded when mutt starts, not when the message is sent. That's why %d is being passed to the script: mutt doesn't know what date, because mutt doesn't know what message. As far as I know, it's not actually possible to pass the date to the script because the script is run when mutt starts, not for every message. I forgot why you want to pass the date to the script, though. What's so special about your attribution that it can't be a simple %n wrote:? -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The way to a man's stomach is through his esophagus. msg27435/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: setting 'From' header
you need to use ./configure --enable-exact-address if you want this functionality. be aware it will use more memory this way because mutt has to store the string it both the usable internal form, and the display form. Will Yardley wrote: if i try to set my header like: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Will Yardley) instead of: From: Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] the message still comes across like the second example, even if i comment out 'set envelope_from', 'set realname' and anything else remotely related to setting my from header.
Re: IMAP to Exchange
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, mutt-users wrote: Hm, with Netscape and Imap i have no problem at all, browsinf reading and writing fron the Public Folders. Unfortunatly the first level is also possible with mutt, so to say i can already do reading and writing in public Folders with mutt, but only to a certain level of subfolders. Netscape has no Problem with that. Now as you can see it is also working with mutt, Unfortunatly the only Problem was to specify the subfolders in detail. Because the structure was like this Öffentliche Ordner | | \NOC \Mailinglist | | \test \test So there was aktually no subdirectory under the level of Mailinglists, but one level below. I had just to give mutt the exact location. Thanks
Re: quotes - set attribution=`script`
19-Apr-02 at 11:58, Rob 'Feztaa' Park ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : I forgot why you want to pass the date to the script, though. What's so special about your attribution that it can't be a simple %n wrote:? It was along these lines, IIRC: If (date written=today) then quote normal attribution Else quote some other attribution... -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:79.78% see www.mersenne.org] Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -- Dr. Seuss [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: message/partial
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 08:24:27AM -0500, David T-G wrote: | ...and then Patrik Wallstrom said... | % I don't know how showpartial works, but it did. I hope I will never | % receive message/partial again. :) | | Now to see if I can figure out how to change it away from /tmp, which is | small here... If it's the same showpartial I have on my system (from the metamail package), it's a shell script. The first lines of code read: if [ -z $METAMAIL_TMPDIR ] then METAMAIL_TMPDIR=/tmp fi Set METAMAIL_TMPDIR to something other than /tmp in your .profile (or whatever) and off you go. -James
Re: Announcing an Emacs mode for mutt configuration files
Hi Dave, * Dave Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Fre 19 Apr 2002 10:37:54 GMT]: [...] I use: , | davep@hagbard:~$ head -7 /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/muttrc-mode.el | ;;; muttrc-mode.el --- Major mode to edit muttrc under Emacs | | ;;; Copyright (C) 2000 Laurent Pelecq | ;;; | ;;; Author: Laurent Pelecq [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ;;; | ;;; $Id: muttrc-mode.el,v 2.12 2000/11/29 01:18:21 laurent Exp $ ` but, annoyingly, I can't remember where I got it from and I can't locate it in the ELL or via Google. Could you please post it? Ciao, Gregor -- Kommunikation benoetigt gemeinsame /\ASCII Ribbon Campaign Standards -- unformatierter Text \ /Respect for open standards in E-Mails, als Anhaenge nur offene X No HTML/RTF in email Standards, keine Micro$oft-Dateien / \No M$ Word docs in email
Re: procmail script for deleting duplicates
Rob -- ...and then Feztaa said... % % Alas! David T-G spake thus: % % A better solution is simply to have duplicates sent to ~/mail/duplicates % % instead of /dev/null, so that way you know what's being filtered. % % ... but you'd still have the same problem even though you could manually % get the messages back. % % It's better than losing them forever, and not knowing what procmail is % hiding from you. Yeah, but not as good as not losing them in the first place, which is the whole point of using an md5 hash instead of the M-ID: field. % % -- % Rob 'Feztaa' Park % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % -- % It wasn't that she had a rose in her teeth, exactly. It was more like % the rose and the teeth were in the same glass. HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg27441/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: message/partial
James -- ...and then James Sneeringer said... % % On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 08:24:27AM -0500, David T-G wrote: ... % | Now to see if I can figure out how to change it away from /tmp, which is % | small here... % % If it's the same showpartial I have on my system (from the metamail % package), it's a shell script. The first lines of code read: Aha! You're right! See, I hadn't even gotten that far :-) % % if [ -z $METAMAIL_TMPDIR ] Thanks a bunch! HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg27442/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: quotes - set attribution=`script`
Alas! Simon White spake thus: It was along these lines, IIRC: If (date written=today) then quote normal attribution Else quote some other attribution... In that case, why not just use message-hooks with ~d or ~r in the pattern? Something like this: message-hook . set attribution='On %d, %n said:' message-hook ~d `date +%m` set attribution='Today, %n said:' (untested) -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- When I say the magic word to all these people, they will vanish forever. I will then say the magic words to you, and you, too, will vanish -- never to be seen again. -- Kurt Vonnegut Jr., Between Time and Timbuktu msg27443/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Score by mailer (was: Re: ZipLip - KillFile)
Johannes, et al -- ...and then Johannes Berth said... % % Btw, am I right that there is no possibility to score by mailer with the % score function since ~h is not allowed? So is there any other way to No direct possibility, I think, but there are indirect options. % score (not only kill) by mailer? I searched in the mailing list archive % and asked google, but I didn't find anything. I don't know if mutt will recognize any sort of score header, but you could have procmail put one in for you if it did; check it out. If not, then you could put it into X-Label: since it's quite unlikely that you'll get a message with a populated X-L: field that will matter to you. In either case, it ought to be easy enough to whip up a procmail filter recipe that sets your header field based on matching X-Mailer: or User-Agent: or any other headers that you can use to identify an MUA. From there you can either score directly or, if ~y isn't allowed, either, perhaps color appropriately. HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg!
Re: quotes - set attribution=`script`
Rob, et al --
...and then Feztaa said...
%
% Alas! Bernard Massot spake thus:
% Easy fix. In your muttrc do this: set attribution=`script %d`, and
...
%
% Ok, I've got it ;)
Are you sure? :-)
%
% The set attribution thing is expanded when mutt starts, not when the
% message is sent. That's why %d is being passed to the script: mutt
% doesn't know what date, because mutt doesn't know what message.
%
% As far as I know, it's not actually possible to pass the date to the
% script because the script is run when mutt starts, not for every
% message.
*If* you can pass %d at all (and I don't know that you can), then you
might look at a send-hook and wrapping your command in single quotes ('')
instead of double quotes () to protect the contents from evaluation
until calling time.
HTH HAND
:-D
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Re: mutt maillist distribution via alias@domain
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Sven Guckes thusly... === http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/setup/procmailrc ... # 981009 - catch messages from gateway address on gbnet.net: :0 * ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@(ns.)?gbnet.net IN.MUTT # 000710 - catch messages from gateway address on sonytel.be :0 * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] IN.MUTT # 000710 - added yahoogroups.com :0 * ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@.*(cs.hmc.edu|mutt.org|yahoogroups.com) IN.MUTT all these can be easily combined as one OR'd recipe (assuming mbox)... :0: # 000710 - catch messages from gateway address on sonytel.be * 2147483647^0 ^TOmutt-users@mail\.sonytel\.be # # 981009 - catch messages from gateway address on gbnet.net: * 2147483647^0 ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@(ns.)?gbnet\.net # # 000710 - added yahoogroups.com * 2147483647^0 ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@.*(cs\.hmc\.edu|mutt\.org|yahoogroups\.com) # # below is the obvious combination of above two... #* 2147483647^0 ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@((ns.)?gbnet\.net|.*(cs\.hmc\.edu|mutt\.org|yahoogroups\.com)) # IN.MUTT ..and, from procmailsc(5)... MISCELLANEOUS As soon as `plus infinity' (2147483647) is reached, any subsequent weighted conditions will simply be skipped As soon as `minus infinity' (-2147483647) is reached, the condition will be considered as `no match' and the recipe will terminate early. ...see various procmail man web pages and mailing list for other details. - parv --
Re: quotes - set attribution=`script`
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 06:19:53PM +, Simon White wrote: 19-Apr-02 at 11:58, Rob 'Feztaa' Park ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : I forgot why you want to pass the date to the script, though. What's so special about your attribution that it can't be a simple %n wrote:? It was along these lines, IIRC: If (date written=today) then quote normal attribution Else quote some other attribution... it's not that ! it's : If (date written=a_monday) then quote with D'al ... Else quote with D'ar ... In brezhoneg language, you must write d'al lun (on monday) but d'ar meurzh (on tuesday), d'ar yaou (on thursday), etc... *That* is what I want to do. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:79.78% see www.mersenne.org] Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -- Dr. Seuss [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.] -- Bernard Massot msg27447/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mutt maillist distribution via alias@domain
* On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, parv wrote: all these can be easily combined as one OR'd recipe (assuming mbox)... :0: # 000710 - catch messages from gateway address on sonytel.be * 2147483647^0 ^TOmutt-users@mail\.sonytel\.be # # 981009 - catch messages from gateway address on gbnet.net: * 2147483647^0 ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@(ns.)?gbnet\.net # # 000710 - added yahoogroups.com * 2147483647^0 ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@.*(cs\.hmc\.edu|mutt\.org|yahoogroups\.com) # # below is the obvious combination of above two... #* 2147483647^0 ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@((ns.)?gbnet\.net|.*(cs\.hmc\.edu|mutt\.org|yahoogroups\.com)) # IN.MUTT Why not Just use the regular OR operator?: :0 * ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@(ns.)?gbnet.net|\ ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]|\ ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@.*(cs.hmc.edu|mutt.org|yahoogroups.com) IN.MUTT -- John
Re: Score by mailer (was: Re: ZipLip - KillFile)
* David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [19.04.02 20:39]: % Btw, am I right that there is no possibility to score by mailer with the % score function since ~h is not allowed? So is there any other way to No direct possibility, I think, but there are indirect options. I do know about the possibility to do it with procmail, just wanted to know if it is possible do do it directly with mutt. Thx for your answer.
Re: setting 'From' header
Hi Michael et al., * Michael Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Fre 19 Apr 2002 11:06:27 GMT]: you need to use ./configure --enable-exact-address if you want this functionality. be aware it will use more memory this way because mutt has to store the string it both the usable internal form, and the display form. The documentation file INSTALL states: --enable-exact-address By default, Mutt will rewrite all addresses in the form Personal Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] regardless of the input. By enabling this option, Mutt will write addresses in the same form they are parsed. NOTE: this requires significantly more memory. WARNING: DO NOT USE THIS OPTION, IT IS BROKEN. Do you think it isn't broken? Ciao, Gregor -- Kommunikation benoetigt gemeinsame /\ASCII Ribbon Campaign Standards -- unformatierter Text \ /Respect for open standards in E-Mails, als Anhaenge nur offene X No HTML/RTF in email Standards, keine Micro$oft-Dateien / \No M$ Word docs in email
Re: mutt maillist distribution via alias@domain
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote John Iverson thusly... * On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, parv wrote: all these can be easily combined as one OR'd recipe (assuming mbox)... :0: * 2147483647^0 ^TOmutt-users@mail\.sonytel\.be * 2147483647^0 ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@(ns.)?gbnet\.net * 2147483647^0 ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@.*(cs\.hmc\.edu|mutt\.org|yahoogroups\.com) # # below is the obvious combination of above two... #* 2147483647^0 ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@((ns.)?gbnet\.net|.*(cs\.hmc\.edu|mutt\.org|yahoogroups\.com)) # IN.MUTT Why not Just use the regular OR operator?: when one has to debug complex recipe (as procmail doesn't say what was actually matched), or during the creation of one, it's much easier to work w/ weighted recpie as one can easily (un)comment test. in addition, if both ^TO and ^TO_ had been used, it would be easier to notice the difference in the weighted recipe. so, maintainance is another issue. and another reason: there is more than one way to do it. :0 * ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@(ns.)?gbnet.net|\ ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]|\ ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@.*(cs.hmc.edu|mutt.org|yahoogroups.com) IN.MUTT for trivial/short/simple conditions, i do prefer the above, but then why use multiple ^TO's... :0: #* ^TO(mutt(-dev|-users)?@(ns\.)?gbnet\.net|\ #mutt-users@mail\.sonytel\.be|\ #mutt(-dev|-users)?@.*(cs\.hmc\.edu|mutt\.org|yahoogroups\.com)) # * ^TO(mutt(-dev|-users)?@((ns\.)?gbnet\.net|\ .*(cs\.hmc\.edu|mutt\.org|yahoogroups\.com))|\ mutt-users@mail\.sonytel\.be) IN.MUTT - parv --
Re: quotes - set attribution=`script`
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 02:13:31PM -0600, Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote: Alas! Bernard Massot spake thus: In brezhoneg language, you must write d'al lun (on monday) but d'ar meurzh (on tuesday), d'ar yaou (on thursday), etc... *That* is what I want to do. Then use the message-hooks idea that I posted, but replace the `date +%m` bit with something that gives you the day-of-month of last monday. I can't be sure the mail was written the previous monday. I may answer an old mail. -- Bernard Massot msg27454/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mutt maillist distribution via alias@domain
* On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, parv wrote: Why not Just use the regular OR operator?: when one has to debug complex recipe (as procmail doesn't say what was actually matched), or during the creation of one, it's much easier to work w/ weighted recpie as one can easily (un)comment test. Good point. in addition, if both ^TO and ^TO_ had been used, it would be easier to notice the difference in the weighted recipe. so, maintainance is another issue. and another reason: there is more than one way to do it. True. :0 * ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@(ns.)?gbnet.net|\ ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]|\ ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@.*(cs.hmc.edu|mutt.org|yahoogroups.com) IN.MUTT for trivial/short/simple conditions, i do prefer the above, but then why use multiple ^TO's... Not needed, but this also might make it easier to comment out certain lines for testing, although you have to watch out for the |\s at the ends of the lines. -- John
Re: setting 'From' header
Gregor Zattler wrote: * Michael Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Fre 19 Apr 2002 11:06:27 GMT]: you need to use ./configure --enable-exact-address if you want this functionality. be aware it will use more memory this way because mutt has to store the string it both the usable internal form, and the display form. The documentation file INSTALL states: --enable-exact-address By default, Mutt will rewrite all addresses in the form Personal Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] regardless of the input. By enabling this option, Mutt will write addresses in the same form they are parsed. NOTE: this requires significantly more memory. WARNING: DO NOT USE THIS OPTION, IT IS BROKEN. Do you think it isn't broken? hrmmm... didn't read that bit. it seems to work for me, but i'd be curious to know exactly why it's considered broken. i don't see how this can take *that* much more memory; it doesn't seem to be putting too much undue strain on my mail machine (*knock wood*). -- Will Yardley input: william @ hq . newdream . net .
Re: masquerading
Previously, William Park wrote: Sendmail solution may be the only option, if the mailing list checks sender address on the envelope instead of 'From:' header. Configuring masquerading is a bit extreme in some situations, and not always possible either (many users don't control the local sendmail.cf). I handle it with Sendmail's -f flag: dan@lothlorien:~% grep sendmail Library/Mutt/snoopy/muttrc # How to call sendmail set sendmail=/usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] One can do this is a folder-hook or something too, to have multiple identities (I don't use folder-hook for this, but I used to; nowadays I just have two separate muttrc's for two separate mailboxes to keep my work and personal mail separate - maybe I'll get industrious someday and merge them into one config). -- Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance. -Will Durant
Maildir mailboxes over IMAP.
I'm using the Debian [unstable] packaged version of mutt [1.3.28-2] against the Debian [testing] packaged version of uw-imapd [2001adebian-6]. What I'm trying to do is set mailboxes to poll for new email. Compounding factors are: set spoolfile=imap://popess.manjusri.org/INBOX set folder=imap://popess.manjusri.org/Mail and binder@popess:~$ grep -C Debian .procmailrc :0 E: # Is it debian-foo? Put it in the Debian/foo folder * MATCH ?? ^debian-\/[a-z]+ $MAILDIR/Debian/$MATCH/ binder@popess~$ If I start mutt and change folders to +Debian/devel/ it does The Thing I Expect, it takes me to the set of messages stored in the Maildir format in popess:/home/binder/Mail/Debian/devel/, and all is well there. But if I try to set mailboxes to watch it with the directive: mailboxes +Debian/devel/ then mutt reports Connection to popess.manjusri.org closed followed by Mailbox closed and then I'm looking at an empty mailbox, with none of the nine or so emails I know are in my INBOX. `mutt -d2` shows this at the tail end, grabbing the last message from my inbox, presumbably, and then choking on the server response: Handling FETCH FETCH response ignored for this message imap_read_literal: reading 271 bytes ) a0004 OK FETCH completed imap_open_mailbox: msgcount is 9 a0005 STATUS Mail/Debian/devel/ (RECENT)^M Connection to popess.manjusri.org closed imap_cmd_step: Error reading server response. Mailbox closed parse_parameters: `charset=us-ascii' parse_parameter: `charset' = `us-ascii' read_rfc822_header(): no date found, using received time from msg separator I've RTFM and STFW; is it simply not possible to poll Maildir mailboxes on IMAP servers for incoming mail with mutt? If it's just not possible, I'll live with some IMAP-aware biff-like thing + mutt but I'm not finding any indications one way or another that it's [im]possible. Surely someone else is delivering to Maildir and monitoring it with mutt, over IMAP, successfully? --Shannon. msg27458/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: quotes - set attribution=`script`
--qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Bernard Massot spake thus: On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 02:13:31PM -0600, Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote: Then use the message-hooks idea that I posted, but replace the=20 `date +%m` bit with something that gives you the day-of-month of last monday. =20 I can't be sure the mail was written the previous monday. I may answer an old mail. Then I guess you'll just have to settle on speaking broken brezhoneg then, won't you? --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Boy! Eucalyptus! --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8wKHhPTh2iSBKeccRAu9+AJ9WJmdckPOUD4vV//IRUcP+35LF6wCfXmKv AtYTDXvPfzSrLfpvE/0LY8o= =JHFD -END PGP SIGNATURE- --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS--
Thanks!
I've been hanging around this list for about a week now and I've found so many goodies floating by here, it's terrific. I think I have folder hooks sorted out, I've learned some really slick procmail stuff, and post.el makes emacs look as gorgeous editing mail as it is at mangling scripts. Despite the occasional digression into things like pgp/gpg, this is probably the best signal to noise ratio I've seen in a mailing list. So thanks all. You've been very helpful. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. TopQuark Software Serv. Contract programmer, server bum.
Re: message/partial
begin Patrik Wallstrom quotation: Pat, I couldn't find your key... Is it known to be on a particular server? I know it is on http://www.keyserver.net/ and another server (forgot which). Your key is on the common keyservers. (BTW, keyserver.net has evidently collapsed down to a single server in Belgium, so it's not a good choice.) However, your key isn't self-signed, so no OpenPGP-compliant software will accept it. There are security issues with accepting non-self-signed keys. -- Shawn McMahon| McMahon's Laws of Linux support: http://www.eiv.com | 1) There's more than one way to do it AIM: spmcmahonfedex, smcmahoneiv | 2) Somebody thinks your way is wrong msg27461/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: message/partial - uudeview
* Patrik Wallstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-19 10:38]: I just received a file split up into 87 emails. Is there any way for mutt to decode those mails, all of which are of the MIME type message/partial? mutt is not a partial file decoder. tag them all, then use tag-prefix to pipe to uudeview. T pattern ; tag-prefix | pipe uudeview done. Sven
Re: mutt maillist distribution via alias@domain
Incoming from Rob Reid: I see a lot of gbnet grumbling but I've never had a problem because I use a minimum match philosophy: # Sort away mails from the mutt (mail user agent) mailing list :0 * ^Return-Path: mutt-users-owner Does this actually work for you? I just tested it and it doesn't for me, and I can find no ^Return-Path: header in your mail at least. Either of these two do work for me: * ^TO_.*@mutt.org * ^Sender:.*owner\-mutt\-users\@mutt\.org ... Or are you doing some formail magic of which I'm unaware? -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. TopQuark Software Serv. Contract programmer, server bum.
Re: Hang while sorting - locking problem?
* Eric Christopherson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-18 23:21]: [Sorry if this is a repeat; I initially tried sending it to mutt-users and mutt-dev, but it only seems to have made it onto mutt-dev. not subscribed to the list? I'm having a bad problem with mutt: it tends to hang whenever it decides it says Sorting mailbox... (any time I try to quit, change folders, or recall a postponed message). It simply stops responding, and only SIGKILL seems to kill it. locking problem? My version is 1.3.28-1 from Debian sid; the full output of mutt -v follows: Mutt 1.3.28i (2002-03-13) System: Linux 2.4.18 (i686) [using ncurses 5.2] Compile options: -HOMESPOOL +USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK +DL_STANDALONE +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK [...] patch-1.5.tlr.mx_open_append.2 patch-1.3.27.bse.xtitles.1 patch-1.3.26.appoct.3 patch-1.3.15.sw.pgp-outlook.1 patch-1.3.27.admcd.gnutls.19 Md.use_editor Md.paths_mutt.man Md.muttbug_no_list Md.use_etc_mailname Md.muttbug_warning Md.gpg_status_fd patch-1.3.24.rr.compressed.1 patch-1.3.25.cd.edit_threads.9.1 patch-1.3.23.1.ametzler.pgp_good_sign lots of patches... including a 1.5 patch on a 1.3 version? good luck! I started noticing this problem a few days ago, but it was only happening with certain mailboxes, not with my inbox. Now my inbox is affected as well, and even a 0-byte mailbox I created makes it hang. I've tried commenting out the sort options in my config file, but that didn't help any. have you treie it *without* a setup file? mutt -F /dev/null -f folder Sven
Re: Quoted-Printable header coding correct?
* Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-18 22:17]: »Sven Guckes« sagte am 2002-04-18 um 22:31:50 +0200 : beats me. do you have some more examples for which this happens? does mutt do the splitting of lines when the line is shorter? what happens now? Yes, it does. All the time I get (well, sorta, of course): Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=DCberpr=FCfun?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?g?= von MailAdressen So, mutt always seperates the g from fun. feature. mutt knows how to separate the fun things from the 'g' stuff. ;-) Sven [now, that would explain... um, never mind]
Re: quotes - set attribution=`script`
* Bernard Massot [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-19 19:47]: it's : If (date written=a_monday) then quote with D'al ... Else quote with D'ar ... In brezhoneg language, you must write d'al lun (on monday) but d'ar meurzh (on tuesday), d'ar yaou (on thursday), etc... *That* is what I want to do. I'm sure Outlook will support it one day. HA! Now, how about using just WHATEVER in the attribution and replacing it from inside your editor? Sven [if mutt can't do it - then your editor can!]
Re: mutt maillist distribution via alias@domain
Previously, s. keeling wrote: Does this actually work for you? I just tested it and it doesn't for me, and I can find no ^Return-Path: header in your mail at least. The Return-Path header is added by the final delivery MTA - so whether or not it's added to a message will vary from one person to the next (since we all have our own final delivery MTAs). For instance, this message which I'm replying to did not have a Return-Path header (at least, not in my mailbox - it might have in yours). -- Beware! To touch these wires is instant death. Anyone found doing so will be prosecuted. -Sign at a railroad station
Re: mutt maillist distribution via alias@domain
* Rob Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-19 17:06]: At 6:19 AM EDT on April 19 Sven Guckes sent off: so here are some of the addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have appended my procmail rules which sort them into IN.MUTT mostly - enjoy! Do you really get a lot of mail with mutt- in it that *isn't* for one of the mutt lists? well, the point is that i dont care how many false positives there be with a smaller string in my rules. using the full addresses gives me *no* false positives! :-) === http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/setup/procmailrc # 981009 - catch messages from gateway address on gbnet.net: :0 * ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@(ns.)?gbnet.net IN.MUTT Just to clarify - are you using MH or maildirs, Sven? mbox users should use :0: right - I was lazy there. so sue me. ;-) Sven
Re: procmail OR with +/- \infty
* parv [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-19 19:39]: wrote Sven Guckes thusly... === http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/setup/procmailrc # 000710 - catch messages from gateway address on sonytel.be :0 * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] IN.MUTT # 000710 - added yahoogroups.com :0 * ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@.*(cs.hmc.edu|mutt.org|yahoogroups.com) IN.MUTT all these can be easily combined as one OR'd recipe (assuming mbox)... i know, i know - but this just makes it all even more complicated. it's *much* easier to use simple rules. you can test them and comment them out easily. :-) ..and, from procmailsc(5)... MISCELLANEOUS As soon as `plus infinity' (2147483647) is reached, any subsequent weighted conditions will simply be skipped As soon as `minus infinity' (-2147483647) is reached, the condition will be considered as `no match' and the recipe will terminate early. I'm sure everyone understands this. but does anyone find this an elegant solution? i mean - seriously? ;-) Sven
Re: procmail and long regex - unwieldy
* John Iverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-19 20:48]: Why not Just use the regular OR operator?: :0 * ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@(ns.)?gbnet.net|\ ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]|\ ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@.*(cs.hmc.edu|mutt.org|yahoogroups.com) IN.MUTT How do you *quickly* turn off recognition for [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this? exactly. ;-) Sven [who really needs to put everything into *one* rule?]
Re: Kibo!
* David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-18 15:37]: ...and then s. keeling said... % - Kibo probably already has the fix implemented. There he is! I knew it would come to this soon :-) I wonder whether Kibo will catch these message from the google archive.. Sven [dont worry - be happy!] -- Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Multilingual KiboSig KIBO In the name of Kibo the most fontious and sigful - Happynet be with you! I Kibo den mest fontigaste och sigfullastes namn - Happynet må vara med dig Im Namen Kibos des schrift- und signaturvollen - moege Happynet mit Dir sein!
Re: mutt maillist distribution via alias@domain
Incoming from Dan Lowe:
Previously, s. keeling wrote:
Does this actually work for you? I just tested it and it doesn't for
me, and I can find no ^Return-Path: header in your mail at least.
The Return-Path header is added by the final delivery MTA - so whether or
not it's added to a message will vary from one person to the next (since we
all have our own final delivery MTAs). For instance, this message which
I'm replying to did not have a Return-Path header (at least, not in my
mailbox - it might have in yours).
Exactly. It's an unreliable header. So why use it?
I use sendmail + fetchmail + procmail + mutt. No Return-Path: header
found. Here's my full recipe for mutt-users. Mangle to taste (I use
mbox folders; ymmv):
:0 H
* ^TO_.*@mutt.org
* ^Sender:.*owner\-mutt\-users\@mutt\.org
{
:0
{ RULE=mutt users }
:0:
IN.mutt
}
Apologies to members of the list who couldn't give a flying #$%^
about procmail. Stuff like this really ought to go to procmail-users
(another very good list IMO).
[Sorry 'bout the cc: Sven. I still need practice on the L thing.]
--
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
TopQuark Software Serv. Contract programmer, server bum.
Re: Outhouse on Mutt-Users?
* David Champion [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-08 19:11]: * Sven Guckes wrote: | Message-ID: 20020403210712.A1308@PROGENY | User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i broken MID and old mutt version. upgrade and get a FQDN! :-p I think you're wrong: a dot in the Message-ID's RHS is not mandatory, and the Message-ID is not required to match your sending mail domain. (This is recommended, not required.) See RFC 2822, section 3.6.4. *sigh* anyway, if someone with a non-FQDN MID has a problem with his email setup then I'd not help him unless he gets one. same goes for people using pseudo names. end of story. Sven -- Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Outcast/Outage Excess | Doubtlook Distress | Out-of-luck-Express Outloo LookOutExpress! Turn off HTML in mails - dammit: Extras:Optionen:Senden:Nachricht_Senden-Format:Nur-Text
Re: Kibo!
Incoming from Sven Guckes: * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-18 15:37]: ...and then s. keeling said... % - Kibo probably already has the fix implemented. There he is! I knew it would come to this soon :-) I wonder whether Kibo will catch these message from the google archive.. Aii! We used to think it was pretty astonishing that someone would grep his mail/news spool. Unless he's upgraded recently, google's gonna present a problem (I found a post today in groups.google.com from a co-worker that was originally posted in '91 [I was only hoping to explain groups.google.com to my mother]). Yo, Kibo. Que pasa? WHAT A GREAT LIST THIS IS! =[8]-) [And to Sven: Do you want cc:'s? It's my honor_followup_to that's filling in my cc: header on replies to your posts. Different strokes ...] -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. TopQuark Software Serv. Contract programmer, server bum.
Re: Quoted-Printable header coding correct?
At 9:50 PM EDT on April 19 Sven Guckes sent off: * Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-18 22:17]: ?Sven Guckes? sagte am 2002-04-18 um 22:31:50 +0200 : beats me. do you have some more examples for which this happens? does mutt do the splitting of lines when the line is shorter? what happens now? Yes, it does. All the time I get (well, sorta, of course): Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=DCberpr=FCfun?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?g?= von MailAdressen So, mutt always seperates the g from fun. feature. mutt knows how to separate the fun things from the 'g' stuff. ;-) Sven [now, that would explain... um, never mind] Explain what? Haven't you ever seen Mycologists are fun gis!? (Pronounce gis like guys, and yes, it's a bit sexist.) -- A hypothetical paradox: What would happen in a battle between an Enterprise security team, who always get killed soon after appearing, and a squad of Imperial Stormtroopers, who can't hit the broad side of a planet? -- Tom Galloway Robert I. Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/ PGP Key: http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/pgp.html
Re: mutt maillist distribution via alias@domain
At 4:26 PM EDT on April 19 John Iverson sent off: * On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Rob Reid wrote: Return-Path works (for now anyway) and is cheaper than ^TO. My understanding is that some people prefer ^TO or ^TO_ to handle mail sent to both the list their personal address Ah. I'm not one of those people. At 9:37 PM EDT on April 19 s. keeling sent off: Incoming from Rob Reid: # Sort away mails from the mutt (mail user agent) mailing list :0 * ^Return-Path: mutt-users-owner Does this actually work for you? Yep. .. Or are you doing some formail magic of which I'm unaware? Not that I'm aware of. At 10:05 PM EDT on April 19 Dan Lowe sent off: Previously, s. keeling wrote: Does this actually work for you? I just tested it and it doesn't for me, and I can find no ^Return-Path: header in your mail at least. The Return-Path header is added by the final delivery MTA - so whether or not it's added to a message will vary from one person to the next I didn't know that. I'm using more or less standard Red Hat, with sendmail handing off to procmail. There's no /etc/procmailrc*, so sendmail must be doing it (and I'm not going to wade into *there*). My apologies, I thought the Return-Path was being set by the mailing list distributor. At 10:29 PM EDT on April 19 s. keeling sent off: Incoming from Dan Lowe: The Return-Path header is added by the final delivery MTA - so whether or not it's added to a message will vary from one person to the next (since we all have our own final delivery MTAs). For instance, this message which I'm replying to did not have a Return-Path header (at least, not in my mailbox - it might have in yours). Exactly. It's an unreliable header. So why use it? Not really. It's perfectly reliable for me. :0 H * ^TO_.*@mutt.org * ^Sender:.*owner\-mutt\-users\@mutt\.org Back to my original point, why not just use :0H: * ^Sender:.*owner\-mutt\-users\@ and catch all of the domains at once? Sven's argument about avoiding false postives doesn't really wash (unless you're on a dog sledder's list) because he will miss *new* domains if and when they are added. Apologies to members of the list who couldn't give a flying @#$%^ about procmail. Stuff like this really ought to go to procmail-users Well it is about the mutt lists. -- loquacity, n. A disorder which renders the sufferer unable to curb his tongue when you wish to talk. - Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary. Robert I. Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/ PGP Key: http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/pgp.html
Re: procmail OR with +/- \infty
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Sven Guckes thusly... * parv [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-04-19 19:39]: wrote Sven Guckes thusly... ... :0 * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] IN.MUTT :0 * ^TOmutt(-dev|-users)?@.*(cs.hmc.edu|mutt.org|yahoogroups.com) IN.MUTT all these can be easily combined as one OR'd recipe (assuming mbox)... ...the omitted context showed use of scoring in one recipe... i know, i know - but this just makes it all even more complicated. having more than one recipe acting on single conditions delivering to the only and same folder, as you had posted, is simpler (than having one recipe simply OR'd to deliver to one folder)? then of course words like simple, easy, complex are relative terms. ..and, from procmailsc(5)... MISCELLANEOUS As soon as `plus infinity' (2147483647) is reached, any subsequent weighted conditions will simply be skipped As soon as `minus infinity' (-2147483647) is reached, the condition will be considered as `no match' and the recipe will terminate early. I'm sure everyone understands this. but does anyone find this an elegant solution? i mean - seriously? ;-) elegant? it's procmail. i take it you aren't much of a fan of procmail or its scoring. if you don't like infinities, you can use simpler numbers like 1^0 w/ some trade offs; as i said earlier, see various procmail resources for details. perhaps i should list them this time... http://www.procmail.org/ http://mirror.ncsa.uiuc.edu/procmail-faq/ http://mirror.ncsa.uiuc.edu/procmail-faq/procmailrc.0 http://mirror.ncsa.uiuc.edu/procmail-faq/procmailsc.0 http://mirror.ncsa.uiuc.edu/procmail-faq/procmailex.0 http://mirror.ncsa.uiuc.edu/procmail-faq/mini-faq.html http://www.rosat.mpe-garching.mpg.de/mailing-lists/procmail/ as far as i am concerned, scoring made my life easier to deal w/ procmail recipes. i find procmail's scoring/conditions combining to be weak as there are some AND, OR, NOT operations can't be done in single recipe for the same action sometimes ... which, for me, would have been simpler better than having two or three recipes. - parv --
