Re: How to place a request of receipt for an outgoing mail?
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 09:05:40PM +0100, Alain Bench wrote: Hello Charles, hello ALL, and happy new year for everyone! I'm new in this list, and not really fluent in english, sorry. But it's a good day to begin. :-) On Monday, December 31, 2001 at 11:15:10 AM +0800, Charles Jie wrote: I was able to request for receipt in my mail while using Outlook Express or Netscape. But how to do it in Mutt? Put this line in your muttrc to always request for receipt: my_hdr Disposition-Notification-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or just insert the field into header while composing a mail for a one time request. AFAIK Mutt itself doesn't reply to such incoming requests, nor deals automatically with the message/disposition-notification reports comming back. Am I right? Or is there a script or patch somewhere? The MTA's involved have to understand this, all of them along the way if I recall correctly, so it is not a guarantee. Since people get the option not to allow the sending of the receipt back in Outlook and Netscape it means squat anyway. Frankly it is a diabolical practise, causes uneccessary and pointless mail. If a mail is so important that you *must* be certain it has been read then phone the person up. Since the mechanism is inherently unreliable anyway, what is the point of using it ? -- Regards Cliff
Re: Where's the MAIL FROM line?
On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 07:16:10AM -0500, Philip Mak wrote: On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, David T-G wrote: But it's used for message information, no? It becomes the ^From: line, or at least so it appears. That's why it's so easy to fake and so on, too, but it looks like whatever is put there would show up in the header. It's not the ^From: line. For example, when I send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], I think the SMTP transaction goes something like this: $ telnet localhost 25 HELO localhost MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DATA From: Philip Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mutt Users' List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Where's the MAIL FROM line? Message text goes here. . The MAIL FROM line is not necessarily the same as the ^From: line. In mbox format, the former shows up as From user[@domain] date on the first line of the message, but Maildir format doesn't have that. Yup. -- Regards Cliff
Re: To log the time I spend in reading/writing a mail
On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 10:28:00PM +0800, Charles Jie wrote: Mail consumes a lot of time. Is it possible to have mutt record the time I use to read or write a mail? I hope to know how much time I spend in a folder (a kind of info). Further, I want a timer to alert me when I'm going to run out of the pre-set time for reading or writing a mail. Are the solution there? Or quick solution available? A stopwatch, and/or an alarm clock. Excuse me but this is Mr Dumb question of 2002 :) -- Regards Cliff
Re: To log the time I spend in reading/writing a mail
On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 03:06:51PM +, Benjamin Smith wrote: On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 03:58:15PM +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote: Are the solution there? Or quick solution available? A stopwatch, and/or an alarm clock. Excuse me but this is Mr Dumb question of 2002 :) I disagree, using a stopwatch means learning how to use it, then remembering *to* use it. A completely automated system is much more fool-proof LOL. Sorry I couldn't help but laugh. Programs are made by people. Watches are made by people. Which one of these two is more fool-proof ? Mmm. I think my cheap supermarket watch keeps better time than most PC's clocks.. -- Regards Cliff
Re: To log the time I spend in reading/writing a mail
On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 11:22:36PM +0800, Charles Jie wrote: Thank you for your answer, Philip. The idea is wonderful. Now it's crystally clear to me. I'll roll up my sleeves to code it. I've just got used to the built-in pager and thought their combination is not bad. Thus I might not plan to replace it with 'less'. Before I try to contribute mutt's source code, I'll go thru mutt manual first. :) best, charlie Mmm. Maybe I find it slightly depressing that we need to feel that automation is some answer to time management. What next ? A time-management system to measure how much time we spend in time-management. We are using email here to communicate with lots of people spread across the world, that's cool. People use email to send messages to people in the office next door to them, which probably takes longer than sticking your head around the door and saying what you have to say. I went on a Time Managament course once. I got told off by the instructor on the first day for being late. So it goes. This message is a waste of your time .. so don't read it :) -- Regards Cliff
Re: mail filtering with procmail
On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 05:49:40PM -0800, Raynald Mompoint wrote: I just recently started using the combination fetchmail + procmail + mutt. Procmail seems to filter my incoming mail OK and puts them in the appropriate mailboxes. But I am seeing two things that dont seem right. 1. With mutt running, new mail that should be filtered appears to come into my default mailbox (/var/mail/my user name FIRST and then a while later it gets moved to the correct mailbox. Shouldn't the mail go directly to the correct mailbox? 2. While mutt is running I feek seeing the message Mailbox Modified. Flags may be incorrect.. Why is this happening? Sounds like a locking problem to me. I am sure someone else will explain, since procmail and it's use of locks is one of the greatest mysteries on earth (at least to a dummy like me) I will be interested to read the answer. -- Regards Cliff
Re: mail filtering with procmail
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 07:50:17AM +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:58:36 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mutt Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mail filtering with procmail [...] procmail and it's use of locks is one of the greatest mysteries on earth (at least to a dummy like me) Hi Cliff, I see you keep bashing procmail. Do you use it? Looks like switching to something else might greatly help your emotional stability. :) Lol, you are right, I should shutup about it. Not another word, I promise :) -- Regards Cliff
Re: Where's the MAIL FROM line?
On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 10:53:39PM -0500, David T-G wrote: Philip -- Hey, what are you doing still using PINE??! ...and then Philip Mak said... % % Is it possible to see the SMTP MAIL FROM line of a message in my % mailbox, or does Maildir format strip that information out before storing % it? If you mean the ^From_ line that looks about like From user@domain Day Mon NN TT:TT:TT then you won't find it; that's part of the mbox format. If not, I'm interested in what it is also, since I haven't heard of it. I don;t think he means that, and you can see what you refer to, viz: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 2 04:57:29 2002 I think he means the MAIL FROM that is part of the SMTP dialog that goes on between MTA's. As in... cliff@tanya:~ telnet localhost 25 Trying ::1... Trying ::1... Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. 220 tanya.raggedclown.local ESMTP helo sailor 250 tanya.raggedclown.local MAIL FROM: baggins 250 Ok RCPT TO: frodo 250 Ok DATA 354 End data with CRLF.CRLF Hello sailor . QUIT 221 Bye Connection closed by foreign host. Well, since it is not part of the message, I guess you cannot. -- Regards Cliff
Re: Case sensitivity in regular expressions
On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 12:40:26PM -0800, Gary Johnson wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 05:17:27PM +, Benjamin Smith wrote: Although the manual doesn't explicitly mention it, regular expressions in mutt seem to be case insensitive. So even although mutt supports [:lower:] and [:upper:], they do not work as expected and end up being equivalent to [:alpha:]. So does anyone know solutions to this, overrides in mutt, or any helpful patches. From the mutt manual: 4.1. Regular Expressions ... The search is case sensitive if the pattern contains at least one upper case letter, and case insensitive otherwise. So it may be that the pattern must contain at least one literal upper-case letter to be case-sensitive and that [:upper:] doesn't count for that. If using [:upper:] doesn't make the search case-sensitive, I would say that's a bug. A flea you mean :) I agree, [:upper:] should imply case-sensitivity. Probably an oversight rather than a bug. Should not be too difficult to change. -- Regards Cliff
Mutt and Tiff's
Hello, I receive faxes in my mail these days but I cannot find anywhere (and I have looked) for a viewer I could use in Mutt to read them since they come in as tiff files. Any pointers --- -- Regards Cliff
Re: SMTP in Mutt
IMHO opnion you are asking the wrong questions. Whay is it so difficult to use Postfix to receive SMTP mail ? I do. -- Regards Cliff
OT Converting a Windows WAB file to a sane format
Hello, I have Outlook ExpressiMicrosoft address book .. wab file .. that I want to convert to a form suitable for use in a normal mutt alias file. type file. I can think of some insane ways to do it, does anyone have a sane way ? Fortunately the file only has aliases and email addresses, no other cruft needs to be extracted/deleted. Thanks. -- Regards Cliff
Re: Negative scores and regexp questions
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 08:22:04PM -0700, Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 03:07:59AM +0100, Cliff Sarginson (dis)graced my inbox with: I still feel very dumb on this. Can someone explain to an idiot what the scoring is for and how you use it. The manual assumes you know. I assume it is some kind of super-filtering technique. I don't actually use scoring myself, but it is a neat idea. Each message has a score. The score is determined by rules that you set up. So if you hate emails from Joe, you can set up a rule that gives messages from Joe a really low score. After a message gets it's score, you can take action based on the score. for instance, you might want to put messages with a high score into a special folder like ~/mail/important or something, and messages with a low score into the garbage. Mmm. How is that better than other filtering techniques? What you say sounds plausible, but is it the whole story ? -- Regards Cliff
Re: Negative scores and regexp questions
On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 04:23:51PM +0100, Christian Ordig wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 06:00:36AM -0500, David T-G wrote: I'm in the same boat, in fact :-) What we really need is for active scorers to reply! ok. here I is one ... If you tried to implement all of that, with those incremental tests, in procmail your rules would be ugly *and* you'd have a lot of duplication (I imagine the same sorts of problems would apply to any filter, but I dunno from maildrop or the others recently mentioned -- yet). That's the point. Imagine someone you don't really care about. snipped -- regretfully Ok, that is a good explanation. It still does sound a little complex (since you have been the only active scorer to reply so far, it does not seem widely used). Interesting though, I have a *prime* candidate for a person on a particular list (I won't name list or person, but it's no-one on this list .. unless he lurks..) whose messages I usually crudely filter into a mailbox called bollocks. Unfortunately he sometimes appears cc'ed or to'ed or whatever on a subject I want to hear about. Sounds like scoring might help. Mmm. food for thought. -- Regards Cliff
Re: Empty mails without body or subject
On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 08:30:42AM +0530, Prahlad Vaidyanathan wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 Balazs Javor spewed into the ether: Hi, I'm getting a lot of mails novadays which have no subject and no body at all. They all seem to come from various mailing list I'm subscribed to, nut mostly from debian-users and linux-kernel. Also all of them seem to have a bounce address of that list in the From headers. e.g bounce-debian-user... or owner-linux-kernel... This sounds like what is called verp which some mailing list software uses. It is not likely to be the cause of your problem. I'll leave it to someone else to explain what verp is. -- Regards Cliff
Re: \012 weirdness
On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 10:50:22AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 09:36:13AM -0600, tim lupfer wrote: hey, did anyone ever happen to come up with an answer for the \012 1.3.24 weirdness? I finally decided to upgrade some of my machines, and little things like random \012's on my screen bother me. e.g. [-- End of PGP output --] \012 [-- The following data is signed --] \012 -- tim lupfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] familiarity breeds contempt--and children. --mark twain's notebook. I think someone did mention it had to do with the character set you're using being capable of displaying the \012 (the message I am referring to contained a different \xxx number but the same problem). I am having the same problem with \012 for PGP signed messages. I use iso-8859-1 for a display character set on FreeBSD. I have no idea whether or not this is really a problem with mutt though. Mmm, \012 is the Unix end of line marker, aka '\n'. -- Regards Cliff
Re: Negative scores and regexp questions
On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 02:19:33AM +0100, Christian Ordig wrote: On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 06:43:04PM +0200, Stefan Frank wrote: Does that mean, that I have to add a default score to all received messages before I can delete them (or mark them read) by score? yes, I think so. add: score ~A 5000 as your first scoring rule and everything should be fine (or 5 instead of 5000 if you only need 10 steps ...) This is a little bit strange, isn't it? yes. I think so. I'd also prefer a range of - to (or something like that) I still feel very dumb on this. Can someone explain to an idiot what the scoring is for and how you use it. The manual assumes you know. I assume it is some kind of super-filtering technique. -- Regards Cliff
Re: mailbox corruption
On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 08:12:48PM -0800, Mike Erickson wrote: Hello, A few times, I've been going through old mail in one of my mailboxes and noticed a mail with no subject. Opening it up reveals an entire email message, headers and all, in the body. I'm using sendmail, procmail, biff n and mbox format. Is this mutt-related? There is just one time I noticed this and that was just with mail from one regular correspondant of mine. Her mail never appeared to have a Subject line in the index, but did in the mail message. She uses Outlook Express :( .. so I just never bothered to investigate it further ..assuming.. well you can guess what I was assuming. Then one day it stopped happening, and has never happened since. This does not help your problem of course, I didn't ask about it on the list at the time, I just put up with it. -- Regards Cliff
Re: line editor command history behavior
On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 05:46:41PM +1100, Doug Kearns wrote: On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 09:06:42AM +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote: On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 04:20:03PM +1100, Doug Kearns wrote: I've just noticed that if you are cycling through the command history and abort with a ^G, the next time you invoke the line editor you are placed at the point in history list at which you aborted. example: :command 1 :command 2 :command 3 :command 4 :command 5 cycle up the history to 'command 3', abort and invoke the line editor again. Hit the Up key and you are at 'command 2' which is not the last command you entered. Well, in a sense you are at the last line you entered are you not ? Not really. I'm at the last line I scrolled to in the history buffer, not the last line I 'entered'. You entered it through cycling to it+1. You aborted the current action which leaves the history pointer at current-action -1 . Surely an aborted operation should not change the state of the history buffer. It seems strange, but if you think about it then it is logical. Not to me :-) Well, and I am guessing here, it may be that the logic of mutt is such that it does not actually know you are aborting the scrolling back, since each scroll back is a seperate operation, what you are aborting is the last scroll back, not the last n scroll backs. It is probable that mutt also treats the redisplayed line from the scrolling by the exact same logic as if you had just typed it in (that would be sensible, in my view). I've also noticed that the history is cleared when the history buffer is full, rather than just deleting the least recent item. I'm curious if this is the desired behaviour. Well that depends on how the list is implemented in the code. -- Regards Cliff
Re: Quoting when replying
On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 10:05:52PM +0530, Prahlad Vaidyanathan wrote: Hi, On Sun, 09 Dec 2001 Slava Pechenin [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed into the ether: Hello Mutt Users, I am trying to make Mutt quote my replies in the following smart way: if original email is from Tom Buddy then quote string must be TB . Firstly, IMHO, it is not a very good idea to change the quoting string from it's default value (Although it is commong practice). You will sure annoy a *lot* of people if you do this. Plus it may break other people's mail filters. -- Regards Cliff
Re: Quoting when replying
Fair enough. Here ya go (with apologies to those who have seen this recently :-) It all started back in the Usenet news days of 1989 and 1990, before Linux had hit the scene (ca 1991, IIRC) and when the web was still a gleam in Tim's eye (ca 1991, as I was corrected the last time I provided this sort of response). In the heat of many passionate arguments going back and forth, with quoting sometimes ten levels deep, it was easy to lose track of who said what when. To set my comments apart from others' I started using %_ (the common notation for a trailing space, just like the From_ header). I had, IIRC, already seen a few folks using | and within a few years all manner of quoting (most commonly : :_ | |_ $ but occasionally % and %_ just like me) abounded. I've simply kept it since then, and it's relatively unique and still recognizable. Errm, as explanations go, this isn't one that makes any sense ! -- Regards Cliff
Re: binding a key to forward mail
On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 11:45:10AM -0800, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: hi there, how can i bind an unused key to: 1. turn on all headers 2. forward the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] macro index B [EMAIL PROTECTED]\n\n Forward spam to spamcop -- Regards Cliff
Re: Quoting when replying
On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 02:54:37PM -0500, David T-G wrote: Cliff -- ...and then Cliff Sarginson said... % % It all started back in the Usenet news days of 1989 and 1990, before ... % track of who said what when. To set my comments apart from others' % I started using %_ (the common notation for a trailing space, just % I've simply kept it since then, and it's relatively unique and still % recognizable. % % Errm, as explanations go, this isn't one that makes any sense ! It doesn't have to make any sense :-) but, nonetheless, I believe I've set the background, identified the impetus for the change, and even provided the reason for the continued use. What does it leave out? Logic :) -- Regards Cliff
Re: binding a key to forward mail
On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 08:58:09PM +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote: On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 11:45:10AM -0800, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: hi there, how can i bind an unused key to: 1. turn on all headers 2. forward the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] macro index B [EMAIL PROTECTED]\n\n Forward spam to spamcop p.s. This is tested and does work :) I use it to forward mail to my work address. You might want to bind it to the pager as well. -- Regards Cliff
Re: A couple of probably dumb questions :)
On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 09:07:35AM +, Thomas Hurst wrote: * Thomas Hurst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Unfortunately, short of shooting anyone who ignores Mail-Followup-To, I don't think there's a workable solution. About the best way I can think of is on every list delivery, scan Inbox for the message id (and same/similar content if I'm feeling paranoid) and if it's found, nuke it. That's rather expensive though :) Actually, a better solution would be to do this filtering before final delivery; have fetchmail deliver to a small agent which queues messages for a minute and then weeds out dupes based on a few simple rules (prefer one with ML-alike headers, for instance), before inserting it's queue into the MDA. Hmm.. A better solution is to write an MDA that was not written with Klingons in mind (and I am not talking about regexps, they are inescapable) and doesn't *consume* system resources in the way procmail does. It is a project I am tinkering with, still at the stage of some ideas written with a pencil on a scrap of paper.. but maybe.. -- Regards Cliff
Re: urlview and bound macro
On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 04:37:57PM -0700, Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote: On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 05:02:21PM -0500, Brian Clark (dis)graced my inbox with: Strange, I just copied those macros word for word into my .muttrc and it works fine. What version of mutt are you using? 1.3.24i And I was afraid someone would say that. :-( I am also using 1.3.24i, and it works fine. -- Regards Cliff
Re: scripting/batchmode
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:07:22AM +, Mark Sheppard wrote: On 2001-12-07 (Friday) at 09:46:26 +, Paul Roberts wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 11:56:33PM +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote: Cron will mail the standard output and error to you by default. Try appending the following to the end of the cron command: 21 /dev/null If i'm not mistaken, this will result in no output. Append this on the end instead to still be mailed errors (if any): 1/dev/null (in fact, the 1 is not even required, its the detfault). File descriptor 2 is stderr, which is where errors should be dumped. Actually both will work although yours is probably the better one to use (shorter and less confusing). Less confusing to who ? Only to those who do not care to understand how share redirection works. Actually it is more confusing. Unless you regard obscurity as being better. In Cliff's answer stderr gets redirected to where stdout was going (which is superfluous in this context), then stdout gets redirected to /dev/null. To redirect both stdout and stderr to /dev/null you'd have to reverse the order: /dev/null 21 Whooaa. That is not what he was asking. He was asking how to get errors without getting normal output. Stderr will be duplicated to stdout, which is where piped output will go to. Next stdout is redirected to /dev/null, effectively closed. This means errors will still go down a pipe, normal output will go to the bit-bucket. Now in cron it may be that this is sorted out for you. But as I said there are many versions of cron. Not only that but mine allows you to pipe to anything you care to. Mine will work whatever, and can be verified outside of cron. -- Regards Cliff
Re: Checking new mail - The Solution
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 07:28:32AM -0500, David T-G wrote: Curt -- ...and then Curt W. Zirzow said... % * Cliff Sarginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... % To expand a little on this. Since I happen to be responding to Curt's followup ... % % For some bizarre reason Slackware is distributed with % % biff y % % In it's /etc/profile. *snort* I ain't goin' there. % % The appalling biff program requires comsat to do it's job, so that % is why I guess Slackware has it enabled. So the real fix would be to modify /etc/profile rather than simply turn off comsat and have biff trying to run anyway. Depends if anything else of the biff variety uses it. % % biff (named after the author's dog btw) screws the mail access time. % % I wonder if that was an influence on using 'mutt' instead of calling it FYI, the 'author' in question there wrote biff back in the very early days of BSD's variant (IIRC). The story goes that this dog, really named biff, would *always* bark at the mailman when he came by and that came to be a handy service. I am aware of this. % something like 'mule'. But then we would have to figure out which email % clients were the horse and donkey. :) Touche :-) Yours for Truth in Trivia, Does this email have a point ? If so I am missing it. Unless it is to expand on the dog story. -- Regards Cliff
Very OT [ Was Re: Checking new mail - The Solution ]
Hmmm... Hokay; I suppose that's certainly a possibility. Not that comsat should necessarily left on, but I don't like dangling programs that don't work being started every time one (boots|logs in). It isn't clean, ya know? This is completely off topic but I *dare* you to go to alt.os.slackware newsgroup and criticise this (or anything else about slackware) and come out alive ! I am quite an admirer of Slackware. But it's newsgroup is the most unfriendly place on the planet. Never have so many abusive self-regarding egos been assembled in one place together as there. And now back to the show... -- Woof Woof ! Cliff
Re: Searching big gobs of e-mail
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:05:14AM -0600, Kenneth Pronovici wrote: Also grepm (http://www.barsnick.net/sw/grepm.html) which interfaces grepmail with mutt. Anyone have an alternate URL for this, or maybe just a tarball that you could drop in an email to me? I don't seem to be able to get to this site from either home or work. I have just sent it to you. Not as an attachment, it is 100 lines long. -- Regards Cliff
Bugged ! [ Was Re: Bug Report ]
Jeez hombre.. Why didn't you send your photo album as well ? Was the whole of your .muttrc required to compliment the problem reported. I for one won't be reading it. -- Regards Cliff
Re: (New mails) Where is the problem origin?
On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 06:20:27AM -0500, David T-G wrote: Clebor -- ...and then Cleber S. Mori said... % I'm having a problem with mutt finding new mails, even after all the % mailboxes var and etc. set, Mutt still don't find folders with new mails. % % I found the problem, but not the problem origin. What is happening is that ... % The problem is that *something* is touching the file. % % % Any one, have a clue? The usual places to check are your shell and any new mail notification programs along with improperly-configured backup tools (a rare one). Make *sure* that your shell isn't watching any mail files and that you're not running anything like biff, xbiff, newmail, or the like. Tkdesk is another possible culprit. Are you running inetd ? If so disable the comsat service in inetd.conf (put a # in front of it in inetd.conf and send a SIGHUP to the inetd process). -- Regards Cliff
Re: Checking new mail - The Solution
On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 03:14:22PM -0200, Cleber S. Mori wrote: Hi all, again. Thank you, my friends, I found the problem. As imagined, some thing was wrong. Cliff Sarginson sent a mail saying that comsat could be the problem. Exactly, in my inetd.conf, there WAS comsat enabled. When I first posted the message like a month a go, 3 or 4 fellows asked me for the results, when I find. Here it is. In my slack 8.0 Linux, comsat was enabled ny default. So... To expand a little on this. For some bizarre reason Slackware is distributed with biff y In it's /etc/profile. The appalling biff program requires comsat to do it's job, so that is why I guess Slackware has it enabled. biff (named after the author's dog btw) screws the mail access time. Further if biff y is set then it provokes mysterious error messages when you use su, this is because ownerships/permissions on tty's are established when you login and su - user cannot affect this. -- Regards Cliff
Re: scripting/batchmode
On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 11:12:14PM +0100, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote: Hallo, I want mutt to move some mails from one archive folder to another (compressed) one. Since this lasts some time on my old computer, I want to do it via a cron job. Setting up a muttrc to do it, is no problem, but cron mails me the output of mutt which is a bit strange, because it's not appropriate for being mailed. Is there any way (some sort of batch mode) to retrict mutt's output to error messages and similar things? Or how do you think I should do it? Cron will mail the standard output and error to you by default. Try appending the following to the end of the cron command: 21 /dev/null Mmm..you should only then get errors mailed to you. Or possibly an empty email. There is more than 1 version of cron in the wild, some have other possibilities. -- Regards Cliff
Re: Command line options
On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 07:20:38AM -0800, Barney Wells wrote: I am using mutt .93.1 on SCO UNIX 5.0.5. I installed mutt last week, so my experience is one week old. I want my database to e-mail files to intranet users. This is done with the command; mutt -s test -a test.file username mutt -x -s test -a test.file username /dev/null -- Regards Cliff
Re: binding and slow reaction
On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 01:45:43PM -0500, Brian Clark wrote: * Thomas Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Dec 05. 2001 04:49]: man ncurses ESCDELAY Specifies the total time, in milliseconds, for which ncurses will await a character sequence, e.g., a function key. The default value, 1000 milliseconds, is enough for most uses. However, it is made a vari- able to accommodate unusual applications. (it's hardcoded in slang, btw) OK, this is bordering on confusion (mine), but I decided to go with another key because I'm still checking out all of Mutt's features and would rather not FUBAR the Esc key combinations. I think you will save yourself a lot of grief with this decision :) -- Regards Cliff
Something changed in new Mutt
Hello, I installed the new Mutt yesterday Mutt 1.3.24i (2001-11-29) Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Michael R. Elkins and others. Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'. Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details. System: Linux 2.4.13FB (i686) [using ncurses 5.2] Compile options: -DOMAIN +DEBUG -HOMESPOOL -USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK -DL_STANDALONE +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK -USE_POP -USE_IMAP -USE_GSS -USE_SSL -USE_SASL +HAVE_REGCOMP -USE_GNU_REGEX +HAVE_COLOR +HAVE_START_COLOR +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD +HAVE_BKGDSET +HAVE_CURS_SET +HAVE_META +HAVE_RESIZETERM +HAVE_PGP -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS -SUN_ATTACHMENT +ENABLE_NLS -LOCALES_HACK +HAVE_WC_FUNCS +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET ++HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR +HAVE_ICONV -ICONV_NONTRANS +HAVE_GETSID -HAVE_GETADDRINFO ISPELL=/usr/bin/ispell SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail MAILPATH=/var/mail PKGDATADIR=/usr/local/share/mutt SYSCONFDIR=/usr/local/etc EXECSHELL=/bin/sh -MIXMASTER And I know there are new features etc (still not quite sure I understand the ? in threads..) But something kept bothering me about the index display, it didn't look the same. And it just hit me what it was. I have the following in my aliases: alias mutt Mutt List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In my index list i used to see Mutt List 162 L Dec 05 To Mutt List( 4: 4) matching in hooks Now I see 162 L Dec 05 To mutt-users ( 4: 4) matching in hooks ? -- Regards Cliff
Re: line editor command history behavior
On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 04:20:03PM +1100, Doug Kearns wrote: I've just noticed that if you are cycling through the command history and abort with a ^G, the next time you invoke the line editor you are placed at the point in history list at which you aborted. example: :command 1 :command 2 :command 3 :command 4 :command 5 cycle up the history to 'command 3', abort and invoke the line editor again. Hit the Up key and you are at 'command 2' which is not the last command you entered. Well, in a sense you are at the last line you entered are you not ? You entered it through cycling to it+1. You aborted the current action which leaves the history pointer at current-action -1 . It seems strange, but if you think about it then it is logical. -- Regards Cliff
Re: mail-followup-to standard....
On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 10:21:38PM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: the only quasi-official reference i've been able to find on the Mail-Followup-To header is: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98dec/I-D/draft-ietf-drums-mail-followup-to-00.txt while i think that this becoming standard would be a Good Thing, since the draft is from 1997, it would seem unlikely that it will be adopted does anyone else have information on what it would take to set the proverbial wheel turning on getting this adopted as some sort of official standard? There are many RFC's in use as standards that never got beyond being draft standards officially I believe. If anyone wants to put some energy into this try and get Microsoft to adhere to a few standard standards with regard to email, that would be some achievement. To answer your question I should think there is zilch you can do about it. Sounds to me like the pine-people are just batting you off. Inter-operabilty.. who needs it ..lol. Wietse Venema, the author of Postfix, remarked once on the amount of code he had in his software to get around broken mailer implementations. -- Regards Cliff
Re: binding and slow reaction
On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 09:48:35PM -0500, Brian Clark wrote: Greetings, Can anyone tell me why this: bind pager \e exit Causes there to be a full 1 second delay, after hitting Esc, before it actually quits the pager? Yes I can tell you. Esc is a lead in to many other commands. The delay is to see if anything is going to follow the Esc. Try looking at the commands available while you are in the pager :). Commands you may now find it difficult to use in the future with this binding. -- Regards Cliff
Re: Quitting Mutt from Browser
On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 10:46:39PM -0500, Samuel Padgett wrote: Is there a way to exit Mutt directly from the browser? After c tab tab, q just takes me back to the Open mailbox prompt. The help doesn't reveal any other promising commands. I'm running Mutt 1.3.24i and have quit set to yes. The meaning of q is context dependent. -- Regards Cliff
Re: Locking mboxes
File Locking + NFS = very bad news It is inherently unreliable. -- Regards Cliff
Re: Locking mboxes
On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 07:17:14PM -0500, David T-G wrote: Cliff -- ...and then Cliff Sarginson said... % File Locking + NFS = very bad news Agreed. If he has to use an mbox, though, he may not have many choices (my drop-in-mbox+run-razor+move-to-maildir kludge being one of them). % % It is inherently unreliable. Always? I would not design a production quality mail setup that relied on it if that is what you are asking. But NFS is way past it's sell by date in my view. Some technologies get stretched beyond their design limitations. Time synchronisation (or lack thereof) is also a royal pain in the butt with any application relying on very accurate time keeping. There are alternatives. But that is OT, and not very helpful for this problem :( -- Regards Cliff
Re: a hook entered upon sending a message?
On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 07:28:15PM -0500, David T-G wrote: Roman -- ...and then Roman Neuhauser said... % % ...and then Roman Neuhauser said... % % % % is there a means to let mutt perform an action on the message it sends % % out _when_ it sends it? All the documented hooks take place long before % % Not AFAIK. % % Any plans to implement this feature? Not AFAIK. [I couldn't resist ;-] % % % inserting of the signature until the moment the message goes off. ... % temp file after the real editor completes. Note that re-editing a file % will cause duplicate signatures, so you might also tell your editor to % find the sig_dashes and delete from there down before jumping back to % the beginning of the message. % % Yeah, I figured out it'd be probably left for vim to do this. Then Sounds good to me. % again, (I'm no vim-hacker) there are at least three ways to quit % from vim, saving the buffer, which means I'd have to noremap all of Why? % them... Unless I'm missing a way to avoid this. Ok, time to mail % [EMAIL PROTECTED] :) I think you are. Set $editor in mutt to call vim and then append your signature, and in the vim call instead of just vim +/^$ do some magic which jumps to ^-- $, does a delete from there to the end, and then jumps back to the first /$^ in the file. % % The code is left as an exercise for the reader ;-) % % No problem. Thanks for the reply. Sure thing! Mmm, this whole signature thing is really unsolveable. For example, I am a strong believer in bottom-posting to threads, or replying in context. An automatic signature at the bottom is then fine. However these evil people who top-post mean that unless you want to complete addle the thread logic you also have to top post, in which case a sig at the end is a little weird. Since my sig is so simple and cookie-free I can always just type it in somewhere I suppose .. :) -- Regards Cliff
Re: a dumb question about filter ...
On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:40:18PM -0500, David T-G wrote: Cristian, et al -- Welcome to the list! ...and then Cristian said... % ... % To tell the truth, my line actually reads, % |IFS=' ' p=/usr/bin/procmail test -f $p exec $p -Yf- || exit 75 #cris % where chris is my login. I don't think this complicated stuff is % really necessary. If you're the only user on the box, that's moderately safe to say, but it's really there for a reason. You wouldn't want your MTA to try to deliver to a nonexistent program, so it's safest to test to make sure the file is there before you exec it, and you might as well set a nice, short variable name to the full path (because it might not be in the MTA's shell path, either) and save yourself some typing. If you're not using mbox format, you don't need the Yf options, but your can get messed up otherwise. Finally, if the file doesn't exist or the exec fails you want to exit with a meaningful exit status. Finally, since lots of people logically use the same procmail invocation, it's best to put a comment and your login name after the exit to ensure that the invocation line is unique so that a smart MTA doesn't skip delivering to you right after having delivered to someone else with an identical invocation (when neither of you has the comment at the end). I would suggest you also use the -t flag on procmail, which invokes soft-bounces with mail delivery problems (see man procmail for details). -- Regards Cliff
Re: signature delimiter
On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:05:30PM +0800, Reed Lai wrote: Seniors, As I remember, the signature delimiter -- in mail body is a -- -- Regards Cliff
Re: mailcap for Windows
On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 04:13:09PM +0100, Johannes Zellner wrote: Hi, does anyone have a mailcap file for windows programs, e.g. word, etc. ? -- Johannes This is what I have for word docs... application/msword; catdoc;copiousoutput -- Regards Cliff
Re: [ Update ] List of 3rd party apps for Mutt
On Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 09:34:19PM +0530, Prahlad Vaidyanathan wrote: Hi, On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 René [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed into the ether: * Prahlad Vaidyanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20-11-2001 15:36]: | Hi, | | Finally got around to updating it : | | http://www.symonds.net/~prahladv/mutt.html | | Feedback ? Looks nice! You could consider adding the text-based browser links. IMO, this is the best alternative for lynx. It supports frames! Ah, Thanks ! Am a little busy right now, but will add it ASAP. A great idea, well done ! But I see no mention of grepmail, and it's little mutt front-end friend. I use them every day. -- Regards Cliff
Re: Handling digests
On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 11:41:48AM +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote: On 2001-11-14 13:57:37 +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote: I have started to subscribe to a mailing list digest, which I have not done before, but it is mostly of things I don;t need to read immediately but can browse every couple of days. What I do want to do is to do something to the digest(s) so that I can deal with them in the normal way, i.e. get threads etc. I am thinking that grepmail may be able to do this (if I get time today I will have a look-see), but I am sure many people have done this before, so any tips would be appreciated. This sounds more like job for procmail putting the individual list messages into a folder of their own than like a job for digests... Yes I understand that, but it's not really what I want to do. I want a means of downloading a digest, as a digest, i.e. a single message and then by some jiggery-pokery undigesting it, perhaps temporarily (a la grepmail). I know there are MUA's that can do this, but mutt cannot (and I have *no* intention of giving up mutt just for this btw, it is in my opinion a brilliant piece of software which makes mail-reading as painless as possible). I do use procmail btw, but it is a pig, both resource wise and syntactically...it looks like it was born in the same barn as sendmail. My MTA is postfix, my MUA is mutt .. both of these I am very happy with. The man in the middle ..Procmail.. I dislike intensely...but that is OT here. Thanks for the input anyway. -- Regards Cliff
Re: List processing in Mutt
On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 11:40:11AM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: Cliff Sarginson wrote: Mmm, oops. I don't think [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a valid address, so how comes I got it ? That was a rhetorical question, btw. [EMAIL PROTECTED] == [EMAIL PROTECTED] - both addresses work (and people tend to send to both). just add both to your subscribe line and you'll be ok. sorry for responding to your rhetorical question :P :) is ok, thanks. -- Regards Cliff
Re: My sircam weirdness and Steve K's mailbox
On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 02:07:05PM +, Steve Kennedy wrote: On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 10:58:07PM -0500, Rich Lafferty wrote: I have a theory as to what happened with that message I sent that was delivered to the list with another message, containing sircam, dangling off the end. I just sent a reply to Lars's post about that message, in that thread, and immediately got back a queued for moderator approval message. I'm subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I had sent both the corrupted message and that reply to Lars from [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Sounds likely. So, my message would have landed in Steve's moderator mailbox. Part of his mail system reacted poorly to the control characters in the message following and didn't separate it out as a separate message. When Steve went to hand-approve the message, he used mutt, which we've found doesn't show the corrupted bits on the end. Qmail into mbox and mutt ... then piped to majordomo's approve mechanism. If Steve uses mbox, then it's pretty easy to figure out where the problem might have originated, because that's a particularly mbox-ish sort of corruption. (And just think, if that other message didn't have sircam, we might never have found out that there was a problem.) Could be, as list-owner get a lot of sircam junk ... Steve I have followed the thread started by my original message concerning list processing with continued fascination ! Am I somehow to blame ? No viruses here :) -- Regards Cliff
List processing in Mutt
Hello, I am a little bit confused about how Mutt decides something is part of one of your subscribed lists or not. I have a number of subscribe lines in my rc, and most of the time it works fine. Sometimes however it does not, often in a thread, it seems to fail to recognise particular messages as being part of a subscribed list. I will give an example (I have falsified the email addresesses, except my own and the lists). This messages is as seen in the list in one of the threads: quote Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538) id C095437B401; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 22:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 1 Nov 2001 22:18:34 -0800Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: I wish it was Linux Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:15:47 +1100 To: Donald Duck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Rob B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lockdown of FreeBSD machine directly on Net Cc: FreeBSD Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: 003e01c16364$262d7fc0$[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-ID: freebsd-questions.FreeBSD.ORG List-Archive: http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/ (Web Archive) List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=help (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: +mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-questions List-Unsubscribe: +mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-questions X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Match: whitelist Status: RO Content-Length: 1303 Lines: 36 end quote Next is a reply to the above message, that is not seen as being in the list quote From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Nov 2 09:49:35 2001 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538) id 0170E37B406; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:43:30 -0800Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 48513 invoked by uid 100); 2 Nov 2001 08:43:14 - From: Prince Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 02:43:14 -0600 To: Donald Duck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lockdown of FreeBSD machine directly on Net In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) Cuyahoga Valley XEmacs Lucid X-face: 5Mnwy%?jIIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`(,SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1RG% *h+%X^n0EZdTM8_IB;a8F?(Fblw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-ID: freebsd-questions.FreeBSD.ORG List-Archive: http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/ (Web Archive) List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=help (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: +mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-questions List-Unsubscribe: +mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-questions X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Match: whitelist Status: RO Content-Length: 1619 Lines: 34 end quote The subscribe line is: subscribe freebsd-questions Thanks ! -- Regards Cliff
Re: List processing in Mutt
On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 11:06:16AM -0500, Rich Lafferty wrote: On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 11:53:18AM +0100, Cliff Sarginson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This messages is as seen in the list in one of the threads: [...] Cc: FreeBSD Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Next is a reply to the above message, that is not seen as being in the list [...] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The subscribe line is: subscribe freebsd-questions (In case you haven't already gone D'oh!:) The second one was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not freebsd-questions, so the subscribe line doesn't match. Mmm, oops. I don't think [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a valid address, so how comes I got it ? That was a rhetorical question, btw. Victim of my own assumptions again .. *sigh*. Procmail filters it nicely for me, but my rule is obviously very liberal here. Thanks for pointing out something I should have noticed myself. -- Regards Cliff
Re: Bad Taste, WAS: how do I automatiaclly moved 'Replied' messages to mbox ?
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 08:31:02PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Jesper Holmberg mutt [31/10/01 13:44 +0100]: Is it the fact that the U.S. government doesn't respect human rights that makes you so upset? If so, I'm all behind you. It is the fact that this X-Echelon header game has become rather childish that makes the guy so upset, I guess. * On Tue Oct 30, Dave Price wrote: I find your X-echelon header to be in INCREDIBLY poor taste!!! Change you settings or post somewhere else. -srs Am I missing out on something here ? What is the X-Echelon header when it is at home ? Will my teenage son think his dad is a cool dude if I have one ? -- Regards Cliff
Re: Bad Taste, WAS: how do I automatiaclly moved 'Replied' messages to mbox ?
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 11:01:00AM -0500, Peter L. Berghold wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 04:41:50PM +0100, Cliff Sarginson formed electrons and emmitted this: [*]Am I missing out on something here ? [*]What is the X-Echelon header when it is at home ? [*]Will my teenage son think his dad is a cool dude [*]if I have one ? [*] Cliff, Echelon is a program run by the NSA to monitor electronic communication and seek out certain keywords within those communications to attempt to detect terrorist and other undesireable activity. In light of the events of 9/11/01 I would imagine that this effort has been stepped up quite a bit. IMHO, however, if we have heard about Echelon I would imagine that Echelon is old hat at the NSA and they probably have something much more sophisticated in its place. Putting an X-Echelon header in your email with provocative words in it supposedly causes the NSA computers to waste cycles processing them. IMHO, again, I give that analysts at the NSA are probably smarter than that as some of them are hackers at heart anyway and have figured out the X-Echelon header game. So, what I am saying is the whole idea of an X-Echelon header is a game that was funny the first 99 times it was done and like many over told jokes has gotten pretty lame. Don't waste time on it. Ok thanks, I wasn't planning to, my message was supposed to be faintly humourous, but I did not know what it was about. So now I do .. -- Regards Cliff
Re: Problem with subscribe lists ?
I am too embarrassed to tell you what the real problem was... but it's solved... Thanks for your time (sorry I wasted it) -- Regards Cliff On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 08:13:01PM +0200, Mathias Gygax wrote: On Sam, Okt 27, 2001 at 06:14:48 +0200, Cliff Sarginson wrote: Hello, hi, To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip I would have though xfree86.org should catch this as a list but it does not. try subscribe newbie or subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem with subscribe lists ?
Hello, I use the subscribe command to handle mailing lists, and it all works tickety-boo except for one list I am on that Mutt refuses to mark as a list L. I have tried various combinations of the list address but it does not work. Here is a typical header: quote Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:49:19 +0200 From: Simon Simple[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Newbie]video modes and resolutions Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Help for newcomers to XFree86 newbie.XFree86.Org Status: RO Content-Length: 727 Lines: 28 end quote I would have though xfree86.org should catch this as a list but it does not. Clues ? -- Regards Cliff
Re: New Mail / Lists
On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 04:32:54PM -0500, shock wrote: I'm having two problems. First, when I bring up a listing of mail folders, I'd like to see some indication of which folders contain new mail. I have the following in my .muttrc: set folder_format=%F %-8.8u %-8.8g %d %8s %N %f The display follows the format exactly, but %N seems to have no effect. Is there something else I need to be doing? Second, when composing new mail, shift-L produces a message stating that no email lists were found. I have the following in my .muttrc: unlists * lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe * subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, I must be missing something obvious. Any advice would be most welcome. Can you set textwidth or wrapmargin in your vim please, to something like 72. It is very off-putting to read unbroken text. -- Regards Cliff
Signature selection
Hello, I asked about this problem some time ago, but I will dare to ask it again, since it still frustrates me, and I still have no answer. I have a few different signatures, if I am sending to a Dutch address I use a Dutch one, otherwise an English one. But for certain people (like my son) I try to use a less formal one. The relevant rules look as follows: send-hook . 'set signature=~/Mutt/.signature' send-hook simono@zonnet\.nl 'set signature=~/Mutt/.signature.simon' send-hook \.nl 'set signature=~/Mutt/.signature.nl' Now it is my understanding that the first hook that matches should be the one used. So if I send to simono, it should use the signature for that. However simono's address has .nl in it's domain part and mutt always uses this signature instead of the one for simono. -- Regards Cliff
Thread sorting question
Hello, I use threads I would like the messages within the threads sorted by received date, the newest coming first. I would also like you to give me all your money, but if that is not possible a hint to the above probhlem would be nice. Thanks. -- Regards Cliff
Re: deleting messages with same message id's?
On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 12:12:24PM -0700, Denis Perelyubskiy wrote: hello, is there a way to delete all the messages with the same message id upon entering a folder? should i even be doing this with mutt? (i am sure i could write an awk script to do this, but perhaps its easier to do with mutt?) You can do it wiith a procmail rule # This is supposed to prevent duplicate msgs # :0 Wh: msgid.lock | formail -D 8192 msgid.cache -- Regards Cliff
Re: Address Book for Vim?
On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 10:20:14PM -0700, Ryan Allen wrote: the application abook (thanks Andre), was exactly what I was looking for. It works seamlessly with mutt and vim, and I had it working in a matter of minutes. I also produced a script in under an hour that queried my contacts database and created a .abook.addressbook file. This is an awesome program, simple and powerful querying capabilites. It can be found at: abook.sourceforge.net Thanks! -- Ryan Yes it is a cute program (can a program be cute ?) But I wish it had a facility to edit an entry (if you make a spilling mistake)..rather than have to type it in again... -- Regards Cliff
Re: Address Book for Vim?
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 11:31:59AM +0200, René Clerc wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 10:20:14PM -0700, Ryan Allen wrote: | This is an awesome program, simple and powerful querying capabilites. It | can be found at: | | abook.sourceforge.net Are there some things I don't see? I've just installed it, imported my aliases, but don't see the added value of this program. It has some extra features that mutt doesn't have, but the fact that I can't add an address from within mutt is a bummer. From my mutt startup files... macro pager A |~/Procmail/mail2abook.py\n mail2abook should be in the abook directory somewhere.. It doesn't win a prize for speed though... -- Regards Cliff
Knowing when something is a thread when it is collapsed
Hello I like to have threads collapsed by default. However I would like some indication in the index display that a message is the first in a thread. Anyone know how I can do this ? -- Regards Cliff
News and Mutt
Hello Now that I have joined the mutt fan club I would like also to somehow read news messages with it.. Is this feasible ? Is it ridiculous ? -- Regards Cliff
Macro to tag all messages with a particular flag set
Hello I want to have a macro to tag messages with a particular flag setting .. in my case the important flag. Ultimately what I want is for it to do an automatic save to a particular mail folder (always the same folder, it has no need to ask me for a name). I am RTFM as we speak :) -- Regards Cliff
Re: Bouncing messages from a specific email
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 04:23:55PM -0400, David T-G wrote: Gord -- ...and then Gord Mc.Pherson said... % Hi, % %Is there a way to have mutt automatically bounce a message from a % specific email address. The only reference to bouncing email is % 'bounce_delivered' and I don't think it's the option I'm looking for. I think this should be handled by the MTA. I use postfix and have it do a header check for a particular sender who keeps sending mail to my domain (usual stuff about earning millions)... I presume sendmail can do this as well in it's own mysterious way. -- Regards Cliff
Insertion of .signature
Hello Is it possible to associate a particular message signature to a particular mail-folder and/or recipient ? ..apart from editing it that is ! -- Regards Cliff
Re: esc t ..why doesn't work when a message is displayed?
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 01:54:45PM +0200, Olaf Schulz wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 07:08:46AM -0400, David T-G wrote: ...and then Cliff Sarginson said... % Hello % The esct toggle thread tagging only works when only the index I'd think that it's because you'd want to tag a whole thread only from the index, since you [probably] can't get a picture of the whole thread from the single-message pager view. Oh, you can, if having set (in .muttrc or manually) set pager_index_lines=7 (something greater 1) But (at least in mutt 12.5i) trying to type ':tag-thread' while in the pager has no effect. Maybe it's a problem with the programming logic behind it that makes it impossible to have tag-thread available in the pager? Olaf Mmm. I have my mutt set up a-la-Olaf, I see some of the message and some of the index..I think it would definitely be useful to tag-thread when in the pager, In a sense in this case you are both in the pager and in the index after all.. -- Regards Cliff
More on .signatures
Hello I am using send-hooks for different signatures. For example # Default signature # send-hook . 'set signature=~/.signature' # Dutch signature # send-hook .*\.nl 'set signature=~/.signature.nl' The second one signs my mail with a dutch signature if sending to a Dutch address. However I want to make an exception for certain people..for example.. # Personal signature # send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'set signature=~/.signature.duivel' This does not work, whatever order I put them in. It still sends the .signature.nl Hints ? -- Regards Cliff
Re: More on .signatures
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 02:44:38PM -0400, David T-G wrote: Cliff -- ...and then Cliff Sarginson said... % Hello % I am using send-hooks for different signatures. ... % % This does not work, whatever order I put them in. % It still sends the .signature.nl Various hooks are handled differently; send-hooks, IIRC, stop at the first match. Are you sure you've tried default duivel nl in that order (sorry, but...)? Nothing else looks out of the ordinary... Yes they are in that order. If I remove the normal Dutch signature, then my duivel signature is used as expected. Yup send hooks stop at the first match (I perused manual for any gotcha's) So... ?? Bug ? (I am a programmer, and I am the last to cry bug ! lol) -- Regards Cliff
Re: shell escape (!) oddity
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 04:02:58PM -0500, Drew Raines wrote: I press ! to execute a shell command, and if I press enter at the prompt instead of a command, it kicks me out of mutt without saving. If this is the desirable behavior, will someone explain why? It is the logical behaviour! -- Drew xi It has just started a shell for you.. Type exit and you will be back in mutt. -- Regards Cliff
Re: send public key
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Re: send public key
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Re: send public key
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Re: send public key
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Re: send public key
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Re: send public key
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Re: send public key
Oops, sorry guys. A slight configuration error ! Apologies for the annoyance. -- Regards Cliff
Re: send public key
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 09:41:49AM -0400, darren chamberlain wrote: Cliff Sarginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said something to this effect on 09/13/2001: Oops, sorry guys. A slight configuration error ! Apologies for the annoyance. Well, at least now we all have your public key... (darren) Well, think I'll make a new one and re-instate the configuration I was using..just for the hell of it.. (joke joke !!) -- Regards Cliff
Re: Mutt + PGP
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 03:48:39PM +0100, Ailbhe Leamy wrote: On (13/09/01 10:37), Nelson D. Guerrero wrote: PGP signature could NOT be verified. # Recognise good signatures set pgp_good_sign=^gpg: Good signature from This way, only genuinely unrecognised signatures will give you this warning. Query: why do people pgp-sign mail to mailing lists? Ailbhe This is an excellent question, since I just accidentally bombarded this list with my public key I have been thinking that signing mailing list messages serves *no* useful purpose. An identity crisis maybe ? -- Regards Cliff
Re: the 'You have got new mail' message
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 07:32:15PM +0200, Matthias LOITSCH wrote: all this has nothing to do with mutt!! : i just want to change my default mailbox from '/var/spool/mail/username' to '~/mbox' but when i put the command MAIL=~/mbox in the .bashrc, when i log in, he still looks in the false mailbox. i suppose this is because the .bashrc file is executed after he looks in my mail box. so how can i change the MAIL path BEFORE he looks in it?? or if this does not work : is there a bash command to look if i have got new mail. so that i can put this command in the .bashrc file Mmmm..as pointed out this is a shell question... try putting it in ~/.profile Cliff
Re: Filtering mail in mailboxes
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:49:09AM -0700, petko popadiyski wrote: Is there any way in mutt to filter the mail without saving every singal message with s key. I wanna something like filter in pine, where after opening MUA it sort the messages in differnet folders [EMAIL PROTECTED] for FREE ! http://www.CannabisMail.com procmail -- Regards Cliff
Re: OT: replace POP3 with IMAP directly
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 08:10:37AM +0800, Rino Mardo wrote: hi. a little OT here i'm wondering what are the requirements to replace POP3 with IMAP? in my fetchmail i download emails using POP3. now i've learned that IMAP doesn't require the user to do POP-before-SMTP hence with that i don't have to check for emails before being able to send out emails. is this just a straight-forward replace of the keyword? I doubt it. They are totally different protocols. Firstly does your ISP support IMAP ? remember that IMAP leaves your mail on the server, many ISP's won't like that ! I download my mail using SMTP (via Postfix), but I am fortunate that I have an ISP that supports that -- few do. I have no POP or IMAP software running. -- Regards Cliff Sending an email as follows will get you my public gpg key... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: send public key PGP signature
Re: How to send mail to groups of recipients?
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 10:10:29AM +0200, Erwin Kaiser wrote: My question is wether there is a feature in mutt to allow this. TIA Erwin alias will do it... e.g. alias mylist [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Will allow you to use mylist as a To address.. -- Regards Cliff Sending an email as follows will get you my public gpg key... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: send public key PGP signature
Re: My first macro..not quite doing what I want
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 08:58:19PM -0400, Jim Toth wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 03:15:07PM +0200, Cliff Sarginson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: Hello, A common sequence for me when reading new messages is to delete then move to the next new message. My macro is as follows: macro index F10 dtab Delete then go to next new msg Unfortunately when you delete a new message the pointer goes to the next message in the index, so if you have 3 new messages in a row, F10 the first one, it jumps to the 3rd one. Can I fix this ? Try changing the resolve variable. Something like macro index F10 set noresolve;dtab;set resolve Delete then go to next new msg (untested) Afraid that does not work it interprets the 's' in the first set as a save command. I usually, before reading new messages, limit to new messages with the ~N tag (see patterns in the mutt manual). How will that help with delete command problem I am trying to solve ? Thanks anyway ! -- Regards Cliff Sending an email as follows will get you my public gpg key... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: send public key PGP signature
Re: My first macro..not quite doing what I want
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 08:58:19PM -0400, Jim Toth wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 03:15:07PM +0200, Cliff Sarginson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: Hello, A common sequence for me when reading new messages is to delete then move to the next new message. My macro is as follows: macro index F10 dtab Delete then go to next new msg Unfortunately when you delete a new message the pointer goes to the next message in the index, so if you have 3 new messages in a row, F10 the first one, it jumps to the 3rd one. Can I fix this ? Try changing the resolve variable. Something like macro index F10 set noresolve;dtab;set resolve Delete then go to next new msg (untested) I usually, before reading new messages, limit to new messages with the ~N tag (see patterns in the mutt manual). I should explain, I like to see the thread a N message is in, so I do not want to just limit to new messages alone... -- Regards Cliff Sending an email as follows will get you my public gpg key... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: send public key PGP signature
Operations on tagged messages
Hello I have a question about tags. How can I save all tagged messages in one fell swoop ? As a corollary to that how can I save a thread in one fell swoop? What operations can I do on messages marked as important, for example I may want to mark messages as important that require some action from me, I would like to save these to a folder I call action. Any clues. p.s. The more I increase my expertise with mutt the more I like it! I can process mail much quicker than I can in kmail, which I have more or less stopped using. -- Regards Cliff Sending an email as follows will get you my public gpg key... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: send public key PGP signature
esc t ..why doesn't work when a message is displayed?
Hello The esct toggle thread tagging only works when only the index is displayed, not if you have the index above and a message below in the screen. Is there a reason for this ? Seems a bit odd. -- Regards Cliff Sending an email as follows will get you my public gpg key... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: send public key PGP signature
Re: My first macro..not quite doing what I want
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 05:25:32PM +0200, Byrial Jensen wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 10:54:53 +0200, Cliff Sarginson wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 08:58:19PM -0400, Jim Toth wrote: Try changing the resolve variable. Something like macro index F10 set noresolve;dtab;set resolve Delete then go to next new msg (untested) Afraid that does not work No, but the idea was good. Try this one instead: macro index F10 :set noresolveenterdtab:set resolveenter Delete then go to next new msg Bingo ! Thanks.. -- Regards Cliff Sending an email as follows will get you my public gpg key... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: send public key PGP signature
My first macro..not quite doing what I want
Hello, A common sequence for me when reading new messages is to delete then move to the next new message. My macro is as follows: macro index F10 dtab Delete then go to next new msg Unfortunately when you delete a new message the pointer goes to the next message in the index, so if you have 3 new messages in a row, F10 the first one, it jumps to the 3rd one. Can I fix this ? -- Regards Cliff
Scoring .. what is it's purpose
After a long time using mutt I am trying to understand more of it's features. - What is the purpose/use of scoring of mail messages? - Can i mark a message as undeletable (and reverse that) -- Regards Cliff
mutt finding mailboxes problem
Hello, A problem. My users mailboxes are in ~/Mail, as per default. However if i do a c to change mailbox folder mutt does not find it unless I am either in ~/Mail or I type in ~/Mail/folder. However if I use ? to see the list of mail folders, it shows them in ~/Mail without a problem. I think my enviornment etc is ok. Is there some setting I am missing ? Thanks -- Regards Cliff
Moving messages
mmm Well I looked and looked but I see only a message to copy a mail message to another folder, not one to move it (i.e. copy then delete it from source folder). Am I going blind ? -- Regards Cliff
Re: Moving messages
On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 01:39:59PM -0700, Will Yardley wrote: Cliff Sarginson wrote: Well I looked and looked but I see only a message to copy a mail message to another folder, not one to move it (i.e. copy then delete it from source folder). Am I going blind ? type 's' (to save message). when you save the message in the target folder it will be deleted from the source folder. w ahh, maybe a small tweak to the mutt manual to say save implies delete from source folder.. Thanks ! -- Regards Cliff
Re: Using PGP signature with mutt ..problem
On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 10:00:09PM +0200, Piet Delport wrote: On Sun, 09 Sep 2001 at 00:25:11 +0200, Cliff Sarginson wrote: Hello I am trying to use pgp (and or gpg) signatures with mutt. I have set up the keys and directories etc. When I try to sign the message with the option from the p command I get an errno(2) ..no such file or directory. pgp and gpg are both on the PATH. Clues ? Have you set the various pgp_*_command options correctly (most likely by sourcing gpg.rc or one of the pgp.rc files (that are included in the mutt distribution) from your .muttrc)? Yes, I looked harder and realised I needed to do that. Now works fine. Thanks! -- Regards Cliff
Re: mutt finding mailboxes problem
On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 05:04:40AM +0800, Rino Mardo wrote: On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 07:19:32PM +0200 or thereabouts, Cliff Sarginson wrote: Hello, A problem. My users mailboxes are in ~/Mail, as per default. However if i do a c to change mailbox folder mutt does not find it unless I am either in ~/Mail or I type in ~/Mail/folder. However if I use ? to see the list of mail folders, it shows them in ~/Mail without a problem. I think my enviornment etc is ok. Is there some setting I am missing ? Thanks -- have you defined in your ~/.muttrc or /etc/Muttc what mailboxes you are using? hard to help someone with no information about the configs. Yes I have a mailboxes command in the config, and in all other contexts it works fine. However mutt when you do a c and then enter a folder name it looks in the current directory not in the mail directory. -- Regards Cliff
Re: mutt finding mailboxes problem
On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 11:06:24PM +0100, Ailbhe Leamy wrote: On (09/09/01 19:19), Cliff Sarginson wrote: Hello, A problem. My users mailboxes are in ~/Mail, as per default. However if i do a c to change mailbox folder mutt does not find it unless I am either in ~/Mail or I type in ~/Mail/folder. However if I use ? to see the list of mail folders, it shows them in ~/Mail without a problem. I think my enviornment etc is ok. Is there some setting I am missing ? Thanks -- set folder=~/Mail Does not make any difference.. typing =folder works though..I can live with that :) -- Regards Cliff
Using PGP signature with mutt ..problem
Hello I am trying to use pgp (and or gpg) signatures with mutt. I have set up the keys and directories etc. When I try to sign the message with the option from the p command I get an errno(2) ..no such file or directory. pgp and gpg are both on the PATH. Clues ? -- Regards Cliff
Folder handling/sub-folders
Hello I am sure this is a FAQ, but I cannot find the answer after looking around. Can mutt handle sub-folders..in my cases directories within directories. I use mutt more and more but until recently have been using kmail as well. From kmail I have several child folders that I use for archiving old messages. I cannot access these in mutt, I cannot even change directory to them, since kmail seems to create them inside directories that have names starting with a . and they don;t seem to be seen by mutt. Thanks for any input ! -- Regards Cliff
