Re: [NTG-context] two newbie questions (about conditional processing)
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
something like state=once would be handy but i'm not going to touch that
code till i'm redoing some page-* code in mkiv
I don't get it, the once made me confused. Should that just be
affectedpage=current or range={1,2,15} which will make more
sense to me. I don't know the range for once
Anyway, hi Yue, this small test file may be useful:
% \tracingmacros=2
\def\Reverse
{\global\negateprintboxtrue
\appendtoks\global\negateprintboxfalse\to\afterpage}
\setuphead
[chapter]
[before=\Reverse]
\setupcolors[state=start]
\starttext
\dorecurse{10}{\input zapf\par}
\chapter{hello}
\dorecurse{10}{\input zapf\par}
\chapter{hello}
\dorecurse{10}{\input zapf\par}
\chapter{hello}
\dorecurse{10}{\input zapf\par}
\stoptext
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation
Hi Hraban,
Your questions are more about luatex than about context, I think
(you _are_ talking about mkiv, yes?)
Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Ahoi,
(1)
there's an ongoing thread on the German mailing list (TeX-D-L), if it
would be possible to implement weighted(?) hyphenation, i.e. that some
breaks are better than other, e.g.
Do-nau---dampf--schiff---fahrt
Wa-ren---wirt--schaft
Eu-ro-pa---par-la--ment
(In InDesign I can suggest such priorities if I add words to the user
dictionary.)
There is a tracker item to that effect:
http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=168
but it has no planned deadline yet.
(2)
Uses ConTeXt the same hyphenation algorithm as LaTeX? Or one of the
newer projects? (perhaps SiSiSi?)
At the moment, the functionality of \patterns in luatex is the same as
in pdf(tex) except that the hyphenation patterns are fully UTF-8.
(3)
Further, I wonder why \hyphenation{} is case dependend - in my last
project Secretary General was wrongly hyphenated, but
\hyphenation{se-cre-ta-ry} didn't fix it, I needed
\hyphenation{Se-cre-ta-ry}. Does that make sense?
Not so much. At first sight, this looks like a luatex bug. I will
investigate.
Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] two newbie questions (about conditional processing)
Zhichu Chen wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
something like state=once would be handy but i'm not going to touch that
code till i'm redoing some page-* code in mkiv
I don't get it, the once made me confused. Should that just be
affectedpage=current or range={1,2,15} which will make more
sense to me. I don't know the range for once
well, we have already
state=repeat: same background each upcoming page
state=start : enable background (calculate each time)
state=stop : disable backgrond
so we would have
state=once : enable background and after this page disable it
in this case 'once' is kind of start before and stop after \page
a range makes not much sense as one seldom knows the page in advance so
that would then be named pages; however, as we have 25 page areas it
would involve more testing then i currently want to do (the otr is
already not that fast)
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Re: [NTG-context] two newbie questions (about conditional processing)
Am 25.05.2009 um 08:55 schrieb Zhichu Chen:
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
something like state=once would be handy but i'm not going to touch
that
code till i'm redoing some page-* code in mkiv
I don't get it, the once made me confused. Should that just be
affectedpage=current or range={1,2,15} which will make more
sense to me. I don't know the range for once
Anyway, hi Yue, this small test file may be useful:
Very nice but it shows only up in Adobe Reader and you can't select
the color for the background.
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] two newbie questions (about conditional processing)
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
well, we have already
state=repeat: same background each upcoming page
state=start : enable background (calculate each time)
state=stop : disable backgrond
so we would have
state=once : enable background and after this page disable it
in this case 'once' is kind of start before and stop after \page
Cool, I'm looking forward to that.
a range makes not much sense as one seldom knows the page in advance so that
would then be named pages; however, as we have 25 page areas it would
involve more testing then i currently want to do (the otr is already not
that fast)
No we won't know the page numbers so forget mine.
There's just one other thing: since we are changing background colors,
we probably need the text colors to be changed as well. But by searching
the sources, I only get the negative color scheme which is some sort of
pdf specials or gs specials. I mean can we just customize such configurations
ourselves? Like colorscheme={inverse+0.1} will inverse the color and reduce
the RGB value to 10%. Then my little test file could make more useful.
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Re: [NTG-context] two newbie questions (about conditional processing)
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 25.05.2009 um 08:55 schrieb Zhichu Chen:
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
something like state=once would be handy but i'm not going to touch that
code till i'm redoing some page-* code in mkiv
I don't get it, the once made me confused. Should that just be
affectedpage=current or range={1,2,15} which will make more
sense to me. I don't know the range for once
Anyway, hi Yue, this small test file may be useful:
Very nice
Thank you:)
but it shows only up in Adobe Reader
I don't know what's that mean.
and you can't select
the color for the background.
No, I can't. I'm trying to figure out how to make a more interesting
test file.
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] two newbie questions (about conditional processing)
Am 25.05.2009 um 09:42 schrieb Zhichu Chen: but it shows only up in Adobe Reader I don't know what's that mean. You have to view the PDF view Adobe Reader to see effect for the chapter page, when I open the file with Preview App the chapter page has black text on a white background. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] two newbie questions (about conditional processing)
Am 25.05.2009 um 09:12 schrieb Hans Hagen: well, we have already state=repeat: same background each upcoming page state=start : enable background (calculate each time) state=stop : disable backgrond These settings have no effect on the background color, you can control with them only the background layer (overlays) :( Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] two newbie questions (about conditional processing)
Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 25.05.2009 um 09:12 schrieb Hans Hagen: well, we have already state=repeat: same background each upcoming page state=start : enable background (calculate each time) state=stop : disable backgrond These settings have no effect on the background color, you can control with them only the background layer (overlays) :( ok well, i mostly use overlays for background colors anyway -) - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] indices
Dear Taco,
You are a genius. Works a treat!
Thank you very much.
Charlie
On 24 May 2009, at 17:05, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Remember this:
\unprotect
\def\insertkeywords#1#2#3%
{\bibdoifelse{\@@p...@keywords}
{%
#1\@@p...@keywords #2%
\processcommacommand[\@@p...@keywords]\index
}
{#3}%
}
\protect
Drop the #1 .. #2 line and it will no longer typeset anything:
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Re: [NTG-context] defineremapper as default (in style file)
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
Peter Münster wrote:
Hello,
I would like to activate a remapper in a style or module file. How could
this be done?
I tried this without success:
\defineremapper[filterItem]
\remapcharacter[filterItem][`•]{\item}
\appendtoks \startfilterItem \to \everystarttext
\prependtoks \stopfilterItem \to \everystoptext
kep in mind that the remapper is just a hack and will not be extended etc
etc; i'm not going to handle interferences with other mechanisms
Hans
I think the point is this :
in some situations one find useful to convert things like • in macros like
\item .
Of course, it can be done with preprocessing , or with some ad-hoc macros
in lua code , etc
So, apart \remapcharacter, are there any other safe ways to remap
character ?
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Re: [NTG-context] defineremapper as default (in style file)
luigi scarso wrote:
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
Peter Münster wrote:
Hello,
I would like to activate a remapper in a style or module file. How could
this be done?
I tried this without success:
\defineremapper[filterItem]
\remapcharacter[filterItem][`•]{\item}
\appendtoks \startfilterItem \to \everystarttext
\prependtoks \stopfilterItem \to \everystoptext
kep in mind that the remapper is just a hack and will not be extended etc
etc; i'm not going to handle interferences with other mechanisms
Hans
I think the point is this :
in some situations one find useful to convert things like • in macros like
\item .
Of course, it can be done with preprocessing , or with some ad-hoc macros
in lua code , etc
So, apart \remapcharacter, are there any other safe ways to remap
character ?
one solution mentioned was making that character active and then do an
unexpanded def which makes it roundtrip safe; of course we should leave
characters like : untouched
the remapper works on all input and it might result in unwanted side
effects .. imagine that someone defines symbol 1 as • and gets \item
instead
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] defineremapper as default (in style file)
On Mon, 25 May 2009, luigi scarso wrote:
I think the point is this :
in some situations one find useful to convert things like • in macros like
\item .
Of course, it can be done with preprocessing , or with some ad-hoc macros in
lua code , etc
So, apart \remapcharacter, are there any other safe ways to remap character
?
Wolfgang mentioned the method with active character.
And there is also this one:
\startluacode
function my_replace(line)
return line:gsub('• ', '\\item ')
end
callback.register('process_input_buffer', my_replace)
\stopluacode
\starttext
\startitemize
• bla
• bla
• bla
\stopitemize
\stoptext
I like the latter one, because it permits also replacing whole words and
much more. But you need to be careful, see also:
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080404.200709.454e4740.en.html
;)
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Re: [NTG-context] defineremapper as default (in style file)
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
luigi scarso wrote:
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
Peter Münster wrote:
Hello,
I would like to activate a remapper in a style or module file. How could
this be done?
I tried this without success:
\defineremapper[filterItem]
\remapcharacter[filterItem][`•]{\item}
\appendtoks \startfilterItem \to \everystarttext
\prependtoks \stopfilterItem \to \everystoptext
kep in mind that the remapper is just a hack and will not be extended etc
etc; i'm not going to handle interferences with other mechanisms
Hans
I think the point is this :
in some situations one find useful to convert things like • in macros like
\item .
Of course, it can be done with preprocessing , or with some ad-hoc macros
in lua code , etc
So, apart \remapcharacter, are there any other safe ways to remap
character ?
one solution mentioned was making that character active and then do an
unexpanded def which makes it roundtrip safe; of course we should leave
characters like : untouched
there was an article many years ago something like Active characters -- No
thank you
the remapper works on all input and it might result in unwanted side
effects .. imagine that someone defines symbol 1 as • and gets \item instead
this is true -- it's not a general solution it's a trick , it if you abuse
then
Hans
Maybe I'm not able to express what I mean .
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Re: [NTG-context] defineremapper as default (in style file)
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Peter Münster pmli...@free.fr wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2009, luigi scarso wrote:
I think the point is this :
in some situations one find useful to convert things like • in macros
like
\item .
Of course, it can be done with preprocessing , or with some ad-hoc
macros in
lua code , etc
So, apart \remapcharacter, are there any other safe ways to remap
character
?
Wolfgang mentioned the method with active character.
And there is also this one:
\startluacode
function my_replace(line)
return line:gsub('• ', '\\item ')
end
callback.register('process_input_buffer', my_replace)
\stopluacode
\starttext
\startitemize
• bla
• bla
• bla
\stopitemize
\stoptext
I like the latter one, because it permits also replacing whole words and
much more. But you need to be careful, see also:
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080404.200709.454e4740.en.html
;)
This is what I mean .
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[NTG-context] Problem with bibl-aps style?
Dear Taco, When I use bibl-aps [9] below is incollection and [10] is book. As you can see the title is missing in [9]. I did a fresh download of Minimals this morning in case my bibl-aps was corrupt but the result is as below. Any advice? And apologies for bothering you so soon again. Very best wishes, Charlie Snippet.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Problem with bibl-aps style?
Charles Doherty wrote: Dear Taco, When I use bibl-aps [9] below is incollection and [10] is book. As you can see the title is missing in [9]. I did a fresh download of Minimals this morning in case my bibl-aps was corrupt but the result is as below. Any advice? And apologies for bothering you so soon again. In bibl-aps.tex, the \insertarttitle is commented out (line 288). I have no idea whether that is 'officially' correct or not, but you could remove the comment sign and see if the result pleases you. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.netwrote: Am 2009-05-24 um 19:17 schrieb John Haltiwanger: 1) Can environment files be used across documents, or is it generally understood that every ConTeXt document requires its own environment formatting? (The latter is the view of someone on c.t.t, who said his perception of ConTeXt was that it was for typesetting individual documents and had less application beyond that domain.) Normally you use environment files for coherent projects (magazines, books) or sets of similar documents (letters, presentations). The difference in usage between a LaTeX document class and a ConTeXt environment is neglectable IMO. The real difference is that most LaTeX users just *use* some document class unchanged, because LaTeX doesn't encourage defining your own, while there are nearly no ready-to-use ConTeXt environments available and most ConTeXt users want write their own anyway. For one-off documents I put everything in one file (and perhaps copy setup bits from other one-off files or environments). If *I* require a special layout for a single document, I normally use InDesign. The effort of programming a setup or an environment pays off only if you use it more often IMO. These paragraphs seems to contradict. ConTeXt is useful if you use an environment more than once, but there are no ready-to-use ConTeXt environments. I am not averse to rolling my own, I am just confused why, if environments are so powerful and flexible (flexible meaning one can easily change things, unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available. I am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or a nice letter environment to demonstrate the beauty of TeX. 2) What is the state of XML output for ConTeXt files? I have to say I will find it hard to justify using TeX for documents if it means they are not translatable to XML easily. I'm also interested in any RDF support ConTeXt might have. XML is no target format for any TeX implementation. XML is a source format, and a good one if you want to process (typeset) it with ConTeXt (and perhaps make HTML from the same source). What do you mean with RDF? This one?: http://www.w3.org/RDF/ Or did you mean RTF? Yes, I meant RDF. XML is a very important format. I find it odd that TeX can generate PDF but cannot output simple XML. So in order to have a semantical document I must write it in XML and then process it with ConTeXt? Is the capacity there (through LuaTeX perhaps) to write an XML generator? While I would expect the reasons for wanting XML output would be obvious, a concrete example is that at least one journal is deprecating LaTeX because it wants to archive all of its articles in XML. Regards, John C. Haltiwanger ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
John Haltiwanger wrote: On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.netwrote: Am 2009-05-24 um 19:17 schrieb John Haltiwanger: 1) Can environment files be used across documents, or is it generally understood that every ConTeXt document requires its own environment formatting? (The latter is the view of someone on c.t.t, who said his perception of ConTeXt was that it was for typesetting individual documents and had less application beyond that domain.) Normally you use environment files for coherent projects (magazines, books) or sets of similar documents (letters, presentations). The difference in usage between a LaTeX document class and a ConTeXt environment is neglectable IMO. The real difference is that most LaTeX users just *use* some document class unchanged, because LaTeX doesn't encourage defining your own, while there are nearly no ready-to-use ConTeXt environments available and most ConTeXt users want write their own anyway. For one-off documents I put everything in one file (and perhaps copy setup bits from other one-off files or environments). If *I* require a special layout for a single document, I normally use InDesign. The effort of programming a setup or an environment pays off only if you use it more often IMO. These paragraphs seems to contradict. ConTeXt is useful if you use an environment more than once, but there are no ready-to-use ConTeXt environments. setting up a style for a paper takes a few commands: \setuplayout, \setuphead, \setupheadertexts ... and then structure in your document can do the rest; however, if we have styles of (say) 40 lines of code, users want a different font, diferen theaders etc and patch those 40 lines which then gives 80 lines most of which are redundant i've seen that happen a lot: copy an old style, then patch 50%, copy that file, patch again, and eventually one gets a big style that is 90% code that does more harm than good as context does need a style to start with, you can just start working and then every time you wonder if it should look different, you add a few lines to the preamble or style (more fun that way too) I am not averse to rolling my own, I am just confused why, if environments are so powerful and flexible (flexible meaning one can easily change things, unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available. I am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or a nice letter environment to demonstrate the beauty of TeX. sure, but all organizations want it slightly different 2) What is the state of XML output for ConTeXt files? I have to say I will find it hard to justify using TeX for documents if it means they are not translatable to XML easily. I'm also interested in any RDF support ConTeXt might have. XML is no target format for any TeX implementation. XML is a source format, and a good one if you want to process (typeset) it with ConTeXt (and perhaps make HTML from the same source). What do you mean with RDF? This one?: http://www.w3.org/RDF/ Or did you mean RTF? Yes, I meant RDF. XML is a very important format. I find it odd that TeX can generate PDF but cannot output simple XML. So in order to have a semantical document I must write it in XML and then process it with ConTeXt? Is the capacity there (through LuaTeX perhaps) to write an XML generator? sure, but how useful is it to have a representation of (e.g.) a node list that makes up a paragraph in xml format? no app can do something with it maybe at some point the adobe and microsoft xml output formats become an option (which then involves resources like fonts and graphics as well so it's pretty bulky and one might wonder what gain there is) While I would expect the reasons for wanting XML output would be obvious, a concrete example is that at least one journal is deprecating LaTeX because it wants to archive all of its articles in XML. in which case it keeps the input in xml and converts to other formats (coule be tex in the case of rendering print) - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
Am 25.05.2009 um 18:30 schrieb John Haltiwanger: I am not averse to rolling my own, I am just confused why, if environments are so powerful and flexible (flexible meaning one can easily change things, unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available. I am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or a nice letter environment to demonstrate the beauty of TeX. There are a lot of letter styles are available for ConTeXt, what's wrong with them? • http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Letter_style • http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Letter Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
I am not averse to rolling my own, I am just confused why, if environments are so powerful and flexible (flexible meaning one can easily change things, unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available. I am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or a nice letter environment to demonstrate the beauty of TeX. sure, but all organizations want it slightly different Okay, but that does imply that an organization can set up an environment and expect its members to use it. Yes, I meant RDF. XML is a very important format. I find it odd that TeX can generate PDF but cannot output simple XML. So in order to have a semantical document I must write it in XML and then process it with ConTeXt? Is the capacity there (through LuaTeX perhaps) to write an XML generator? sure, but how useful is it to have a representation of (e.g.) a node list that makes up a paragraph in xml format? no app can do something with it I'm not sure what you mean by a representation of a node list for a paragraph (I am new to TeX, remember), but I am thinking more along the lines of extracting Title, Author, and the content. Typesetting is not the goal, as XML is for computers not people. maybe at some point the adobe and microsoft xml output formats become an option (which then involves resources like fonts and graphics as well so it's pretty bulky and one might wonder what gain there is) The gain of XML is participation in the semantic web and concordance with many new data keeping rules in governments and organizations. While I would expect the reasons for wanting XML output would be obvious, a concrete example is that at least one journal is deprecating LaTeX because it wants to archive all of its articles in XML. in which case it keeps the input in xml and converts to other formats (coule be tex in the case of rendering print) The input is actually a specific version of Word. This is converted to XML. In the case of LaTeX, the LaTeX is converted to Word and then to XML. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
John Haltiwanger wrote: Okay, but that does imply that an organization can set up an environment and expect its members to use it. indeed, of seek help in doing so (not much different from setting up a housestyle for word ro whatever) I'm not sure what you mean by a representation of a node list for a paragraph (I am new to TeX, remember), but I am thinking more along the lines of extracting Title, Author, and the content. Typesetting is not the goal, as XML is for computers not people. glyph font='1' char='123'kern width='1pt'glyph font='1' char='456' etc .. the result of typeseting (kind of application xml which actually much of the xml around is) The gain of XML is participation in the semantic web and concordance with many new data keeping rules in governments and organizations. that should happen with the source, ot the typeset result - structured document in xml format - rendering to the web using xslt and xhtml and css - rendering for paper using tex - analysing for whatever purpose using xml toolkits The input is actually a specific version of Word. This is converted to XML. In the case of LaTeX, the LaTeX is converted to Word and then to XML. i'd then go from latex directly to xml (given enough structure) but even workflows like word - xml - context are quite doable Hans ps most of our work here involves making styles and going from word/xml - pdf (either or not reassembled) using context - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
my personal favourite http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/44368/focus=46254, beware you might have trouble getting that to compile with a new version of LuaTeX. John Haltiwanger wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com mailto:schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 25.05.2009 um 18:30 schrieb John Haltiwanger: I am not averse to rolling my own, I am just confused why, if environments are so powerful and flexible (flexible meaning one can easily change things, unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available. I am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or a nice letter environment to demonstrate the beauty of TeX. There are a lot of letter styles are available for ConTeXt, what's wrong with them? • http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Letter_style • http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Letter Wolfgang Thank you for those! I had not come across them yet. I was responding to Henning's statement that there are nearly no ready-to-use ConTeXt environments available. In fact I realize I had misread that until right now, having missed the 'nearly' that qualifies the statement. Sorry for the confusion. Also, I don't want it to seem like I don't enjoy rolling my own documents. While I'm new at it, I quite like interfacing with documents in this 'programming' way. Thank you, John C. Haltiwanger ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
These paragraphs seems to contradict. ConTeXt is useful if you use an environment more than once, but there are no ready-to-use ConTeXt environments. You're probably confused by the term environment. It means something very specific in ConTeXt, see for example section 2.3 of http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/cont-eni.pdf If by environment you mean some less down-to-earth, general document layout, e.g. for articles, books, presentation slides or letters, then yes, there are such ready-to-use layouts. Not always in the ConTeXt core, but they're there; for example, for letters you would use Wolfgang Schuster's letter module; for presentation, one of the solutions is Thomas Schmitz' and Aditya Mahajan's simple-presentation module, etc. Yes, I meant RDF. XML is a very important format. I find it odd that TeX can generate PDF but cannot output simple XML. Generating a document with a logical structure is really the opposite of what TeX does, at least in my view: in today's trend, you write a TeX document with a logical structure, and you generate PDF, a highly specialized format for describing the layout of a printed or on-screen page; it has rather few means of specifying logical structure (it's coming, but rather poorly supported by PDF producer applications at the moment). The same is of course even more true of DVI. Hence, what TeX does is to take a logically structured document, and to make it into a visually structured one. Note that I am not always convinced by the whole separation of content and layout creed which is heard very often as a selling point for LaTeX vs. MS Word etc., but there is some truth to it, and, generally speaking, you're still going from semantic markup to visual appearance, not the other way round. So in order to have a semantical document I must write it in XML and then process it with ConTeXt? Pretty much. ConTeXt is rather good at it. You have a lot of tools to process XML in the base code. There is also a module to deal with DocBook, but I think its development has stalled. Is the capacity there (through LuaTeX perhaps) to write an XML generator? The goal is that at some point, you will be able to redefine LuaTeX's backend, the same way you can act on the TeX engine at the moment. This will allow to control the output format entirely. While I would expect the reasons for wanting XML output would be obvious If I may, your statement might be biased by your own expectations. There are thousand people out there who use some form of TeX without even knowing about XML. But I know why you want it. As far as LaTeX is concerned, there are quite a number of toolchains that produce XML from some sort of restricted LaTeX markup. I'm not aware of anything similar for ConTeXt. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
John Haltiwanger wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 25.05.2009 um 18:30 schrieb John Haltiwanger: I am not averse to rolling my own, I am just confused why, if environments are so powerful and flexible (flexible meaning one can easily change things, unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available.. I am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or a nice letter environment to demonstrate the beauty of TeX. There are a lot of letter styles are available for ConTeXt, what's wrong with them? • http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Letter_style • http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Letter Wolfgang Thank you for those! I had not come across them yet. I was responding to Henning's statement that there are nearly no ready-to-use ConTeXt environments available. In fact I realize I had misread that until right now, having missed the 'nearly' that qualifies the statement. Sorry for the confusion. Also, I don't want it to seem like I don't enjoy rolling my own documents. While I'm new at it, I quite like interfacing with documents in this 'programming' way. in tex/context/[base|third], take a look at: m-* : specialized modules s-* : styles x-* : xml relatex modules t-* : third party modules Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
Since Arthur implies that an XML output might one day be feasible, Note that the final estimate for the stable release of LuaTeX is 2012, but the backend features may be available sooner. Many people are looking forward to using LuaTeX for producing XML-based and other formats :-) See http://luatex.org/roadmap.html for the roadmap. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: Since Arthur implies that an XML output might one day be feasible, Note that the final estimate for the stable release of LuaTeX is 2012, but the backend features may be available sooner. Many people are looking forward to using LuaTeX for producing XML-based and other formats :-) See http://luatex.org/roadmap.html for the roadmap. Nice, glad to hear it. Also of interest are new semantic tagging facilities for PDF in the newest proposal for ISO 32000, mentioned by an Adobe engineer in the comments of this blog entry http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2009/04/semantically-richer-pdf.html Hopefully there can be found a way to incorporate these facilities in ConTeXt and/or LuaTeX when they emerge. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
Nice, glad to hear it. Also of interest are new semantic tagging facilities for PDF in the newest proposal for ISO 32000, mentioned by an Adobe engineer in the comments of this blog entry http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2009/04/semantically-richer-pdf.html If you mean Leonard Rosenthol's comment at http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2009/04/semantically-richer-pdf.html?showComment=123911280#c5624378574116031944 the general issue is Tagged PDF. It's not really supported yet in any variant of TeX, but there is an active group working on it at River Valley Technologies (http://lists.river-valley.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tex). I haven't been following closely, but there's definitely progress. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
Yes, that is the comment. Thank you for the heads up :) On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: Nice, glad to hear it. Also of interest are new semantic tagging facilities for PDF in the newest proposal for ISO 32000, mentioned by an Adobe engineer in the comments of this blog entry http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2009/04/semantically-richer-pdf.html If you mean Leonard Rosenthol's comment at http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2009/04/semantically-richer-pdf.html?showComment=123911280#c5624378574116031944 the general issue is Tagged PDF. It's not really supported yet in any variant of TeX, but there is an active group working on it at River Valley Technologies (http://lists.river-valley.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tex). I haven't been following closely, but there's definitely progress. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
On Mon, 25 May 2009, John Haltiwanger wrote: unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available. I am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or a There are no standardized thesis styles for universities mainly because there are no consistent specs. Most univs want you to use times, double spaced lines, wide margins, and some formatting guidelines regarding the chapter headings, table of content, page headers and footers. Setting these are easy in ConTeXt (and also LaTeX if you know the relevant packages). Universities do not provide an official thesis style (either in LaTeX or ConTeXt) because in most cases they do not have the resources to maintain them. Students figure something out, and then pass along their styles to the next generation. If the formatting guidelines change, the burden is on the students to correct the style, rather than on the university. When I was writing my thesis, it took me about a few hours to understand the formatting guidelines, which were a jigjaw puzzle. Statements like: Always use Times New Roman at 12pt as the main font. ... two pages down ... The abstract can be in 10pt or 12pt ... a few pages later, use any of the standard fonts. It also used vague terminology. Statements like leave two blank lines after the title (blank lines, er... for what fontsize, the bodyfont or the title font?). ConTeXt makes it really easy to make the formatting changes. Once I understood the formatting guidelines, writing the main style was very easy (with a few trips to the manual, and a few questions here on the mailing list). Making sure that the resultant style looked visually appealing while not violating the formatting guidelines too a lot of experimentation. As Hans said, you can think of ConTeXt as the standard thesis style. Setup a few commands, and you meet your formatting requirements. Write it in an environment or a module, and you can reuse it. Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
Thank you Aditya. All that makes sense to me. It is quite clear from everyone's responses that the person on c.t.t who claimed ConTeXt is only for one-offs was not correct. On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009, John Haltiwanger wrote: unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available. I am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or a There are no standardized thesis styles for universities mainly because there are no consistent specs. Most univs want you to use times, double spaced lines, wide margins, and some formatting guidelines regarding the chapter headings, table of content, page headers and footers. Setting these are easy in ConTeXt (and also LaTeX if you know the relevant packages). Universities do not provide an official thesis style (either in LaTeX or ConTeXt) because in most cases they do not have the resources to maintain them. Students figure something out, and then pass along their styles to the next generation. If the formatting guidelines change, the burden is on the students to correct the style, rather than on the university. When I was writing my thesis, it took me about a few hours to understand the formatting guidelines, which were a jigjaw puzzle. Statements like: Always use Times New Roman at 12pt as the main font. ... two pages down ... The abstract can be in 10pt or 12pt ... a few pages later, use any of the standard fonts. It also used vague terminology. Statements like leave two blank lines after the title (blank lines, er... for what fontsize, the bodyfont or the title font?). ConTeXt makes it really easy to make the formatting changes. Once I understood the formatting guidelines, writing the main style was very easy (with a few trips to the manual, and a few questions here on the mailing list). Making sure that the resultant style looked visually appealing while not violating the formatting guidelines too a lot of experimentation. As Hans said, you can think of ConTeXt as the standard thesis style. Setup a few commands, and you meet your formatting requirements. Write it in an environment or a module, and you can reuse it. Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
John Haltiwanger wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: Since Arthur implies that an XML output might one day be feasible, Note that the final estimate for the stable release of LuaTeX is 2012, but the backend features may be available sooner. Many people are looking forward to using LuaTeX for producing XML-based and other formats :-) See http://luatex.org/roadmap.html for the roadmap. Nice, glad to hear it. Also of interest are new semantic tagging facilities for PDF in the newest proposal for ISO 32000, mentioned by an Adobe engineer in the comments of this blog entry http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2009/04/semantically-richer-pdf.html Hopefully there can be found a way to incorporate these facilities in ConTeXt and/or LuaTeX when they emerge. as it takes a bit of work i'll only look into it when i need it (in a project) or when i'm extremely bored; it's rather doable Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Applying effects to figures
Hello, I just thinkig... Is there a way to apply an effect to inserted images? Say, I need to make a shadow around all of screenshots included, and it is too laborous to apply the shadow to them in an editor just in order to have screenshots changed in next document version. Is think there is a lot of circumstances when some automatic effect can be needed. Best, Vyatcheslav ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Applying effects to figures
Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky schrieb: Hello, I just thinkig... Is there a way to apply an effect to inserted images? sure, but... Say, I need to make a shadow around all of screenshots included, and it is too laborous to apply the shadow to them in an editor just in order to have screenshots changed in next document version. Is think there is a lot of circumstances when some automatic effect can be needed. you should ask yourself, if there is not a simpler way to do so. see http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/convolve/#shadow_montage best wishes, peter Best, Vyatcheslav ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Applying effects to figures
Am 2009-05-25 um 21:05 schrieb Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky: I just thinkig... Is there a way to apply an effect to inserted images? Say, I need to make a shadow around all of screenshots included, and it is too laborous to apply the shadow to them in an editor just in order to have screenshots changed in next document version. Is think there is a lot of circumstances when some automatic effect can be needed. ImageMagick does support such effects; probably you could update and enhance or at least get inspiration from the degrade module: http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-degrade Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
i tend to write in Markdown, as the syntax is very light weight, then compile with pandoc (http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/). $ pandoc --toc --smart --number-sections --standalone -H header.tex -w context file.pdc -o file.tex $ texexec file.tex i think Aditya has some documents floating around somewhere. John Haltiwanger wrote: Thank you Arthur, Mohamed, and Hans for pointing me towards the available modules. As far as working towards semantical documents in TeX, I'll just have to settle for writing external RDF descriptors for the documents. I'll take a look at using XML as the source and feeding it into ConTeXt, but since I rather like conTeXt's markup over XML, I'm not sure how likely I will be to go that route. Since Arthur implies that an XML output might one day be feasible, Thanks everyone for being so helpful, speaks volumes about the community you have here. Regards, John C. Haltiwanger ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Applying effects to figures
On Mon, 25 May 2009, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: ImageMagick does support such effects; probably you could update and enhance or at least get inspiration from the degrade module: http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-degrade And of course, today you should use rather lua than bash scripting! To use ImageMagick, there is always os.execute(...). Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
Wow, that is handy! Thanks for the tip Modamed. On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Mohamed Bana mbana.li...@googlemail.comwrote: i tend to write in Markdown, as the syntax is very light weight, then compile with pandoc (http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/). $ pandoc --toc --smart --number-sections --standalone -H header.tex -w context file.pdc -o file.tex $ texexec file.tex i think Aditya has some documents floating around somewhere. John Haltiwanger wrote: Thank you Arthur, Mohamed, and Hans for pointing me towards the available modules. As far as working towards semantical documents in TeX, I'll just have to settle for writing external RDF descriptors for the documents. I'll take a look at using XML as the source and feeding it into ConTeXt, but since I rather like conTeXt's markup over XML, I'm not sure how likely I will be to go that route. Since Arthur implies that an XML output might one day be feasible, Thanks everyone for being so helpful, speaks volumes about the community you have here. Regards, John C. Haltiwanger ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: John Haltiwanger wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: Since Arthur implies that an XML output might one day be feasible, Note that the final estimate for the stable release of LuaTeX is 2012, but the backend features may be available sooner. Many people are looking forward to using LuaTeX for producing XML-based and other formats :-) See http://luatex.org/roadmap.html for the roadmap. Nice, glad to hear it. Also of interest are new semantic tagging facilities for PDF in the newest proposal for ISO 32000, mentioned by an Adobe engineer in the comments of this blog entry http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2009/04/semantically-richer-pdf.html Hopefully there can be found a way to incorporate these facilities in ConTeXt and/or LuaTeX when they emerge. as it takes a bit of work i'll only look into it when i need it (in a project) or when i'm extremely bored; it's rather doable well , if you give us some hints maybe someone will present an article at next context meeting ... -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Applying effects to figures
Am 25.05.2009 um 21:05 schrieb Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky:
Hello,
I just thinkig... Is there a way to apply an effect to inserted
images? Say, I need to make a shadow around all of screenshots
included, and it is too laborous to apply the shadow to them in an
editor just in order to have screenshots changed in next document
version. Is think there is a lot of circumstances when some
automatic effect can be needed.
\startuseMPgraphic{shadow}
fill OverlayBox shifted (5pt,-5pt) withcolor .7white ;
setbounds currentpicture to OverlayBox ;
\stopuseMPgraphic
\defineoverlay[shadow][\useMPgraphic{shadow}]
\starttext
\externalfigure[mill][background=shadow]
\blank
\setupexternalfigures[background=shadow]
\externalfigure[hacker]
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
luigi scarso wrote: well , if you give us some hints maybe someone will present an article at next context meeting ... (1) wait for the rewritten backend (next year) (2) wait till structure in mkiv is stable but indeed we can discuss these things at the upcoming context meeting Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
well , if you give us some hints maybe someone will present an article at next context meeting ... If you're interested in Tagged PDF, you should really look into what the River Valley guys are doing on the mailing-list I mentioned, and contact Ross Moore, Han The Thanh, etc. http://lists.river-valley.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tex Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] How to disable page numbers in empty pages
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:04:08PM +0200, Alan Stone wrote:
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org wrote:
How can I disable page numbers (or header/footer) in empty pages, as
page 2 in the following example:
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
\starttext
\chapter{one}
\input tufte
\chapter{two}
\input tufte
\stoptext
Regards,
Khaled
http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2008/030594.html
Alan
Thanks for the tip, but I've a slightly more complex layout and it might
need a more generalized solution, see:
\definepagebreak
[mychapterpagebreak]
[yes,header,footer,right]
\setuphead
[chapter]
[page=mychapterpagebreak]
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided,location={header,margin}]
\setupheadertexts[{My special headertext}]
\setupfootertexts[This is a text in the footer]
\starttext
\chapter {testA} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
\startstandardmakeup \dorecurse{4}{\input tufte }
\stopstandardmakeup
\chapter {testB} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
\stoptext
The page after first chapter and before the markup is empty and thus
shouldn't have any headers/footers, but it isn't.
Regards,
Khaled
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[NTG-context] Error with \placefootnotes
With the following sample and MkIV
\starttext
\setupfootnotes[location=text]
This\footnote{Or that, if you prefer.} is a sentence with a footnote.
\placefootnotes
\stoptext
I get:
! Undefined control sequence.
\doplacenotes ... \endgroup \the \everysetupnotes
to be read again
\fi
to be read again
\stoptext
l.5 \stoptext
I think \everysetupnotes in strc-not.tex, line 913 should be
\everysetupnote, but after fixing it the output isn't correct, any
ideas?
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Khaled
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