Re: [NTG-context] interline spacing, me too

2009-10-16 Thread Taco Hoekwater

Andreas Harder wrote:


Okay, thank you for your advise. Why I can't say:
\setupbodyfontenvironment [minion] [14.4pt] [interlinespace=3ex] % \tfa
\setupbodyfontenvironment [minion]  [9.6pt] [interlinespace=4ex] % \tfx
and then use style=\tfa?


In the interest of speed, \tfa only does the bare necessities to get
a larger visual font size, and consequently all changes it makes are
'local', \switchtobodyfont sets up the 'global' settings as well, and
these are the ones used by grid snapping and insertions etc.


Oh, I see. Somehow the interlinespace setting from the typescript
doesn't come through. You could do this:

\setuphead
 [chapter]
 [style={\switchtobodyfont[18pt]\setupinterlinespace[line=10ex]}]

but it is weird that it does not work out of the box.


Because it works if one set \setupinterlinespace[line=5ex] for the whole 
document … By the way, what happened with \setupinterlinespace[big]?


I have no idea, Hans should have a look at that.


Anyway, thanks for your reply!

PS. I don't want to be too greedy, but could you also have a look at 
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20091014.122329.48e0bcc0.en.html ?


I'll get back to you,

Best wishes,
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Re: [NTG-context] Mk IV setup, \showcharacters

2009-10-16 Thread Taco Hoekwater

Hi,

Peter Park Nelson wrote:
 Hello, I'm a LaTeX user trying to move to ConTeXt Mk IV. I'm having
 trouble configuring my system on OS X. As a complete ConTeXt novice I'm
 not sure how to debug this, but I really want to get Mk IV working for
 some upcoming journal and book projects. Any suggestions would be
 appreciated.
 
 I understand that the current MacTeX/TeXLive 2009 testing versions have
 a broken Mk IV due to an old Luatex, so I installed MacTeX 2009 for
 testing and then upgraded Luatex to version 0.43 using the Contextgarden
 instructions for Running Mark IV,  regenerating the Context formats
 etc. using:
 luatools --generate
 context --make --all
 context --make cont-en 
 (is this necessary if I do --make --all?)

No, you can do without.

 So far I can run a minimal test document and get pdf output, but I can't
 use \showaccents, \showcharacters, etc. -- I get an undefined control
 sequence error, The console output is below. I see the last line is
 referring to a .mkii file, I suspect that's the problem but I don't know
 how to get it to .mkiv...

You've got a working installation. These exact commands just happen to
be undefined in mkiv.

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] Line Numbering and References

2009-10-16 Thread Hans Hagen

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:


Am 14.10.2009 um 11:54 schrieb Andreas Harder:


Hello all,

I have a problem with referencing from a line numbered text.

In page-lin.mkiv I've found the \inline-command, but I can't make use 
of it:


solved in next beta. btw, this mechanism has to be extended abit

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Re: [NTG-context] placefigure broken in mkiv?

2009-10-16 Thread Hans Hagen

Alan BRASLAU wrote:


However, on the subject of \placefigure,
there appears to be a small bug in mkiv.
(Untested) minimal example:

\usemodule[bib]

\starttext

\placefigure[right,none]{}{\externalfigure[file][width=.3\textwidth]

Text...\cite{Me2009}
\blank[2*line]

\placepublications[criterium=all]

\stoptext

The publications list is typeset full \textwidth and overflows the figure.


is this related to bibliographies? if so, make a test file that shows 
the problem and communicate it with Thomas Schmitz who is collecting / 
testing bib related issues


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[NTG-context] embed fonts

2009-10-16 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

Hi all,

this seems like a very basic question, but I haven't found anything on  
the wiki and in the archive: I'm typesetting a book with mkiv, and the  
printer wants all fonts completely embedded. I knew how to do this in  
mkii, but what about mkiv? (Btw, I'm using \enableprotruding and  
\enableadjusting, would this make any difference for embedding the  
fonts?)


Thanks, and all best

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Re: [NTG-context] embed fonts

2009-10-16 Thread Hans Hagen

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

Hi all,

this seems like a very basic question, but I haven't found anything on 
the wiki and in the archive: I'm typesetting a book with mkiv, and the 
printer wants all fonts completely embedded. I knew how to do this in 
mkii, but what about mkiv? (Btw, I'm using \enableprotruding and 
\enableadjusting, would this make any difference for embedding the fonts?)


font are always embedded but subsetted which is quite normal; the only 
reason for full embedding is that they want to tweak your text 
afterwards which is not what you want (given that they have the apps to 
deal with it).


protruding and adjusting is not related

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] interline spacing, me too

2009-10-16 Thread Hans Hagen

Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Because it works if one set \setupinterlinespace[line=5ex] for the 
whole document … By the way, what happened with 
\setupinterlinespace[big]?


I have no idea, Hans should have a look at that.


\start \setupinterlinespace[big] \input tufte \par \stop

work sok here

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] interline spacing, me too

2009-10-16 Thread Andreas Harder


Am 16.10.2009 um 14:12 schrieb Hans Hagen:


Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Because it works if one set \setupinterlinespace[line=5ex] for the  
whole document … By the way, what happened with  
\setupinterlinespace[big]?

I have no idea, Hans should have a look at that.


\start \setupinterlinespace[big] \input tufte \par \stop

work sok here



But not in the preamble, or isn't it meant to be used in the preamble?  
In contrast \setupinterlinespace[line=…] works in any location.


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Re: [NTG-context] interline spacing, me too

2009-10-16 Thread Hans Hagen

Andreas Harder wrote:


Am 16.10.2009 um 14:12 schrieb Hans Hagen:


Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Because it works if one set \setupinterlinespace[line=5ex] for the 
whole document … By the way, what happened with 
\setupinterlinespace[big]?

I have no idea, Hans should have a look at that.


\start \setupinterlinespace[big] \input tufte \par \stop

work sok here



But not in the preamble, or isn't it meant to be used in the preamble? 
In contrast \setupinterlinespace[line=…] works in any location.


small example please

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Re: [NTG-context] interline spacing, me too

2009-10-16 Thread Andreas Harder


Am 16.10.2009 um 14:35 schrieb Hans Hagen:


Andreas Harder wrote:

Am 16.10.2009 um 14:12 schrieb Hans Hagen:

Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Because it works if one set \setupinterlinespace[line=5ex] for  
the whole document … By the way, what happened with  
\setupinterlinespace[big]?

I have no idea, Hans should have a look at that.


\start \setupinterlinespace[big] \input tufte \par \stop

work sok here
But not in the preamble, or isn't it meant to be used in the  
preamble? In contrast \setupinterlinespace[line=…] works in any  
location.


small example please



\setupinterlinespace[big]
% \setupinterlinespace[line=24pt]

\starttext
\input tufte
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Re: [NTG-context] placefigure broken in mkiv?

2009-10-16 Thread Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky

Hello,

Thanks, Wolfgang.

\placefigure[middle,none]{}{...}

the official way in mkiv (please add this to the new mkii/mkiv
difference page on the wiki)
   

OK, but where this page is?

(Oh, I we could get rid of these empty parenthesizes, it would be even 
nicer. Let's clean the syntax! )


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Re: [NTG-context] embed fonts

2009-10-16 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz


On Oct 16, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:


Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

Hi all,
this seems like a very basic question, but I haven't found anything  
on the wiki and in the archive: I'm typesetting a book with mkiv,  
and the printer wants all fonts completely embedded. I knew how to  
do this in mkii, but what about mkiv? (Btw, I'm using  
\enableprotruding and \enableadjusting, would this make any  
difference for embedding the fonts?)


font are always embedded but subsetted which is quite normal; the  
only reason for full embedding is that they want to tweak your text  
afterwards which is not what you want (given that they have the apps  
to deal with it).


protruding and adjusting is not related

Hans



OK, I'll see if I can convince them...

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Re: [NTG-context] embed fonts

2009-10-16 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz


On Oct 16, 2009, at 2:16 PM, luigi scarso wrote:


I work in a printer house so
Before full embedding
you can try with these political  moves
1) I give you all the fonts you need for free
2) I cannot completly embedd the fonts, because there are copyright  
isuues


OK, that sounds like a good strategy :-)


After that ,
did you already tried to do the same things in miv as  in mkii ?

If they fails,
then we must find a solution .


No, the mkii solution was on the level of the map-files (just use  
font.pfb instead of font.pfb, and it will be fully embedded); that  
is not applicable to mkiv.


Thanks

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Re: [NTG-context] placefigure broken in mkiv?

2009-10-16 Thread Wolfgang Schuster


Am 16.10.2009 um 15:29 schrieb Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky:


please add this to the new mkii/mkiv difference page on the wiki)


OK, but where this page is?


http://wiki.contextgarden.net/MkIV_Differences

(Oh, I we could get rid of these empty parenthesizes, it would be  
even nicer. Let's clean the syntax! )


You can make a entry in the bug/feature tracker: http://tracker.luatex.org/

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Re: [NTG-context] interline spacing, me too

2009-10-16 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Andreas Harder wrote:



Am 16.10.2009 um 14:35 schrieb Hans Hagen:


Andreas Harder wrote:

Am 16.10.2009 um 14:12 schrieb Hans Hagen:

Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Because it works if one set \setupinterlinespace[line=5ex] for the 
whole document … By the way, what happened with 
\setupinterlinespace[big]?

I have no idea, Hans should have a look at that.


\start \setupinterlinespace[big] \input tufte \par \stop

work sok here
But not in the preamble, or isn't it meant to be used in the preamble? In 
contrast \setupinterlinespace[line=…] works in any location.


small example please



\setupinterlinespace[big]


\setupinterlinespace[big,auto]


% \setupinterlinespace[line=24pt]

\starttext
\input tufte
\stoptext



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Re: [NTG-context] interline spacing, me too

2009-10-16 Thread Andreas Harder


Am 16.10.2009 um 15:39 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:


On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Andreas Harder wrote:



Am 16.10.2009 um 14:35 schrieb Hans Hagen:


Andreas Harder wrote:

Am 16.10.2009 um 14:12 schrieb Hans Hagen:

Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Because it works if one set \setupinterlinespace[line=5ex] for  
the whole document … By the way, what happened with  
\setupinterlinespace[big]?

I have no idea, Hans should have a look at that.

\start \setupinterlinespace[big] \input tufte \par \stop
work sok here
But not in the preamble, or isn't it meant to be used in the  
preamble? In contrast \setupinterlinespace[line=…] works in any  
location.

small example please



\setupinterlinespace[big]


\setupinterlinespace[big,auto]


It's still not spaced big (latest beta) …

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Re: [NTG-context] embed fonts

2009-10-16 Thread luigi scarso
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz 
thomas.schm...@uni-bonn.de wrote:



 If they fails,
 then we must find a solution .


 No, the mkii solution was on the level of the map-files (just use
 font.pfb instead of font.pfb, and it will be fully embedded); that is not
 applicable to mkiv.

 so houston, we have a problem here .
I think we need  Taco , or go tthrough luatex-ref.pdf .

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Re: [NTG-context] embed fonts

2009-10-16 Thread Hans Hagen

luigi scarso wrote:



On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz 
thomas.schm...@uni-bonn.de mailto:thomas.schm...@uni-bonn.de wrote:


 


If they fails,
then we must find a solution .


No, the mkii solution was on the level of the map-files (just use
font.pfb instead of font.pfb, and it will be fully embedded);
that is not applicable to mkiv.

so houston, we have a problem here .
I think we need  Taco , or go tthrough luatex-ref.pdf .


it's no problem to provide that feature in mkiv, but i need some real 
string arguments as well as to be sure that i'll never be bothered by 
side effects of fonts not being in a pdf file


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Re: [NTG-context] embed fonts

2009-10-16 Thread luigi scarso
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:

 luigi scarso wrote:



 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz 
 thomas.schm...@uni-bonn.de mailto:thomas.schm...@uni-bonn.de wrote:


If they fails,
then we must find a solution .


No, the mkii solution was on the level of the map-files (just use
font.pfb instead of font.pfb, and it will be fully embedded);
that is not applicable to mkiv.

 so houston, we have a problem here .
 I think we need  Taco , or go tthrough luatex-ref.pdf .




 it's no problem to provide that feature in mkiv, but i need some real
 string arguments as well as to be sure that i'll never be bothered by side
 effects of fonts not being in a pdf file

Fonts not included can sometimes speeds up things when you are coding, but I
never use this feature -- too much dangerous.
I never used full inclusion too, but it's a prepress job (and yes, I have a
prepress office);
there is also ghostscript that does this kind of distiller stuffs.
Full inclusion can be useful, at least to cover the same feature of pdftex.
(my 1cent)

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Re: [NTG-context] embed fonts

2009-10-16 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
 it's no problem to provide that feature in mkiv, but i need some real  
 string arguments as well as to be sure that i'll never be bothered by  
 side effects of fonts not being in a pdf file

  arguments
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Re: [NTG-context] embed fonts

2009-10-16 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
 but you have not demonstrated
 that it's real .

  3.14159
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Re: [NTG-context] embed fonts

2009-10-16 Thread luigi scarso
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Arthur Reutenauer
arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote:
 but you have not demonstrated
 that it's real .

  3.14159
hm,
3.14159 is rational
and 3.14159 ∉ {'arguments', arguments,...}
arguments ∈ {'arguments', arguments,...}


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Re: [NTG-context] embed fonts

2009-10-16 Thread William Adams

On Oct 16, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

it's no problem to provide that feature in mkiv, but i need some  
real string arguments as well as to be sure that i'll never be  
bothered by side effects of fonts not being in a pdf file



The argument to be able to fully include the font is that that's a  
requirement for many archiving standards.


It also allows for easier, cleaner assembly of a single document file  
from multiple files (all sub-files have compleat fonts, the merged  
file can then discard the dupes and if desired, sub-set at that point  
and there's only one sub-setted version of each font, 'stead of  
multiples as there would be if the fonts were sub-setted in the source  
files).


It also makes it possible to trouble-shoot for instances where font  
sub-setting may be causing difficulties (make a version w/ the font  
fully embedded / not sub-setted and see if that works instead).


The only negatives I've experienced to fully embedding fonts are:

 - bloats filesize (not an issue w/ today's equipment and 'net  
connections)
 - some font licenses don't allow it (so set it up so that this is  
determined when the font is installed an such can be dis-allowed where  
not supported by the fonts' license)


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Re: [NTG-context] Section setup

2009-10-16 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 19:05, Martin Scholz wrote:
 Hi List,

 I'm trying to setup a new document in Context, and a newbee, so I now
 want to setup the section head as following

 § Secnum - Sectitle

 Where the § Secnum part is set up in the margin and the Sectitle over the
 Text is there any solution how to get it done?

Not to be taken too seriously: you need to ask a more complex
(challenging) questions to get a better chance for an answer :) :) :)

It's best to study chapter 8 of cont-eni.pdf from pragma-ade.com to
get the idea of how to handle section modifications.

Here's one possible solution:

\def\mynumbercommand#1{§ #1 --}
\setuphead
[section]
[numbercommand=\mynumbercommand,
 alternative=inmargin]

You may get a bit too big distance, but you can do one of the following tricks:
a) shorten the distance between margin and text
b) instead of just -- you can use something like
\hbox to 0.2mm{--\hss}
to fake negative spacing or add explicit negative kerning.

Mojca
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[NTG-context] \externalfigure stopped working

2009-10-16 Thread Michael Green

MTXrun | current version: 2009.10.16 16:13

I get the gray dummy box.

\starttext

\externalfigure[cow.pdf]

\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Section setup

2009-10-16 Thread Martin Scholz
Am Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:06:01 +0200 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

 On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 19:05, Martin Scholz wrote:
 Hi List,

 I'm trying to setup a new document in Context, and a newbee, so I now
 want to setup the section head as following

 § Secnum - Sectitle

 Where the § Secnum part is set up in the margin and the Sectitle over
 the Text is there any solution how to get it done?
 
 Not to be taken too seriously: you need to ask a more complex
 (challenging) questions to get a better chance for an answer :) :) :)
 
 It's best to study chapter 8 of cont-eni.pdf from pragma-ade.com to get
 the idea of how to handle section modifications.
 
 Here's one possible solution:
 
 \def\mynumbercommand#1{§ #1 --}
 \setuphead
   [section]
   [numbercommand=\mynumbercommand,
alternative=inmargin]
 
 You may get a bit too big distance, but you can do one of the following
 tricks: a) shorten the distance between margin and text b) instead of
 just -- you can use something like
 \hbox to 0.2mm{--\hss}
 to fake negative spacing or add explicit negative kerning.
 
 Mojca
 
Hi Mojca,

I'm a type of learner by reading the sourcecode, so it is easier for me 
if I see examples in the code then reading manuals... thanks for you 
help, will try your example later that day...

Thanks and greetings

Martin

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Re: [NTG-context] about \starttextrule{Title}

2009-10-16 Thread Dalyoung

Dear Hans,

After updating the  minimal, it works fine.

Thank you so much.

Best regards,

Dalyoung
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