Re: [NTG-context] solution for missing bookmark (minimal example)

2012-02-28 Thread Steffen Wolfrum

Am 27.02.2012 um 23:21 schrieb Hans Hagen:

 On 25-2-2012 10:32, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 Hi,
 
 is there a chance that this problem can be solved within the next days (the 
 publishers won't wait too long for the working PDF).
 
 Sorry for being persistent,
 
 I have to catch up after a week of flu and have some deadlines to catch as 
 well. Going over old code (that I don't even have on my machine any more) is 
 not on the agenda now. If it's just a few bookmarks being wrong, can't you 
 just add them in acrobat then?



It's about 30 to 40 bookmarks missing. Sure, these can be added in Acrobat.
But the corresponding  30 to 40 links from the table of content to their 
respective pages are missing too ... and how to add these?

Do you want me to send you a zipped version 2011.05.14?

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] solution for missing bookmark (minimal example)

2012-02-28 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Steffen Wolfrum cont...@st.estfiles.de wrote:

 Am 27.02.2012 um 23:21 schrieb Hans Hagen:

 On 25-2-2012 10:32, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 Hi,

 is there a chance that this problem can be solved within the next days (the 
 publishers won't wait too long for the working PDF).

 Sorry for being persistent,

 I have to catch up after a week of flu and have some deadlines to catch as 
 well. Going over old code (that I don't even have on my machine any more) is 
 not on the agenda now. If it's just a few bookmarks being wrong, can't you 
 just add them in acrobat then?



 It's about 30 to 40 bookmarks missing. Sure, these can be added in Acrobat.
 But the corresponding  30 to 40 links from the table of content to their 
 respective pages are missing too ... and how to add these?
http://www.ehow.com/how_9665_create-links-pdf.html

(but keep in mind that often I don't understand the questions...)

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Re: [NTG-context] Unsupported coverage contextpos for 'RQD ' Greek Caps after Accents Positioning-1

2012-02-28 Thread Hans Hagen

On 26-2-2012 20:42, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

On 02/26/2012 07:50 PM, luigi scarso wrote:

The font is fromhttp://www.thessalonica.org.ru/en/fonts-download.html .
The log says :
fonts otf prepare unsupported coverage contextpos for
'RQD ' Greek Caps after Accents Positioning-1

Thomas ?


Sorry, I have absolutely no clue what this is supposed to mean... I'm
not even sure if the message comes from the core or Wolfgang's module?
All I can say is: Theano-Didot is also supported by the ancientgreek
module, and the font works normally here:


No issues when I run:

\starttext

\definefontfeature
  [anogreek]
  [script=grek,mark=yes,kern=yes,mkmk=yes,rqd=yes,
   calt=yes,liga=yes,locl=yes,aalt=yes,ccmp=yes,dlig=yes,case=yes,salt=yes]

\definedfont[TheanoDidot-Regular*anogreek]

ἡ ῥητορική ἐστιν ἀντίστροφος τῇ διαλεκτικῇ: ἀμφότεραι
γὰρ περὶ τοιούτων τινῶν εἰσιν ἃ κοινὰ τρόπον τινὰ ἁπάντων
ἐστὶ γνωρίζειν καὶ οὐδεμιᾶς ἐπιστήμης ἀφωρισμένης: διὸ καὶ
πάντες τρόπον τινὰ μετέχουσιν ἀμφοῖν: πάντες γὰρ μέχρι τινὸς
καὶ ἐξετάζειν καὶ ὑπέχειν λόγον καὶ ἀπολογεῖσθαι καὶ κατηγορεῖν
ἐγχειροῦσιν.

\stoptext

Anyhow, we're not going to look into it if there is no proper test file 
showing the problem. We don't even know what features are involved.


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Broken Nightly (2012.02.18)

2012-02-28 Thread Hans Hagen

On 24-2-2012 01:12, Kip Warner wrote:

\definetextbackground[TimelineGeneralDocument][
 location=paragraph,
 color=color_text,
 background=color,
 backgroundcolor=colour_page,
 framecolor=colour_text,
 topoffset=1.0cm,
 bottomoffset=1.0cm,
 leftoffset=1.0cm,
 rightoffset=1.0cm,
 before={
 \blank[2*big]
 },
 after={
 \blank[2*big]
 },
 style=small,
 corner=round,
 frame=on]

I use it as such...

\startTimelineGeneralDocument
Some stuff...
\stopTimelineGeneralDocument

So I'm not really sure what I am suppose to do with
\starttextbackground?


apart from a funny corner at least it helps if the colors are defined

\definecolor[colour_page][red]
\definecolor[colour_text][green]

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Re: [NTG-context] Unsupported coverage contextpos for 'RQD ' Greek Caps after Accents Positioning-1

2012-02-28 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
 On 26-2-2012 20:42, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

 On 02/26/2012 07:50 PM, luigi scarso wrote:

 The font is fromhttp://www.thessalonica.org.ru/en/fonts-download.html .
 The log says :
 fonts otf prepare unsupported coverage contextpos for
 'RQD ' Greek Caps after Accents Positioning-1

 Thomas ?


 Sorry, I have absolutely no clue what this is supposed to mean... I'm
 not even sure if the message comes from the core or Wolfgang's module?
 All I can say is: Theano-Didot is also supported by the ancientgreek
 module, and the font works normally here:


 No issues when I run:

 \starttext

 \definefontfeature
  [anogreek]
  [script=grek,mark=yes,kern=yes,mkmk=yes,rqd=yes,
   calt=yes,liga=yes,locl=yes,aalt=yes,ccmp=yes,dlig=yes,case=yes,salt=yes]

 \definedfont[TheanoDidot-Regular*anogreek]


 ἡ ῥητορική ἐστιν ἀντίστροφος τῇ διαλεκτικῇ: ἀμφότεραι
 γὰρ περὶ τοιούτων τινῶν εἰσιν ἃ κοινὰ τρόπον τινὰ ἁπάντων
 ἐστὶ γνωρίζειν καὶ οὐδεμιᾶς ἐπιστήμης ἀφωρισμένης: διὸ καὶ
 πάντες τρόπον τινὰ μετέχουσιν ἀμφοῖν: πάντες γὰρ μέχρι τινὸς
 καὶ ἐξετάζειν καὶ ὑπέχειν λόγον καὶ ἀπολογεῖσθαι καὶ κατηγορεῖν
 ἐγχειροῦσιν.

 \stoptext

 Anyhow, we're not going to look into it if there is no proper test file
 showing the problem. We don't even know what features are involved.

 Hans
It seems something related to simplefonts:

\starttext
\usemodule[simplefonts]
\setmainfont[TheanoDidot-Regular]
\stoptext


fontsotf prepare  unsupported coverage contextpos for
'RQD ' Greek Caps after Accents Positioning-1



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[NTG-context] Font embedding

2012-02-28 Thread Honza Hejzl
Hi,

does anybody know how to really embed fonts into a pdffile? I have checked
and read many conversations on that topic here but without the real
solution (just a tons of arguments about how problematic/unethic it could
be… and so on).

I know well MKIV subsets all fonts. Yes, it is really good but it does not
satisfy 99 % of modern printing offices. Embedding of all fonts is very
typical demand of them. I really need it, sometimes it is not good or
possible to discuss with a printing office why to use my file instead of
the one you are demanding.

I will appreciate any info.

Thanks,
Honza Hejzl
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Re: [NTG-context] Font embedding

2012-02-28 Thread Hans Hagen

On 28-2-2012 15:39, Honza Hejzl wrote:

Hi,

does anybody know how to really embed fonts into a pdffile? I have checked
and read many conversations on that topic here but without the real
solution (just a tons of arguments about how problematic/unethic it could
be… and so on).

I know well MKIV subsets all fonts. Yes, it is really good but it does not
satisfy 99 % of modern printing offices. Embedding of all fonts is very
typical demand of them. I really need it, sometimes it is not good or
possible to discuss with a printing office why to use my file instead of
the one you are demanding.


it's a weird demand of them as they are not supposed to mess with the 
pdf file anyway


you can put all characters that make sense in an layer of page one 
painted in white (or whatever) but even then, the amount of related data 
is not there (in fact embedding only means embedding outlines and a font 
is much more than that)


you can always give them a copy of the font (if the license permits) as 
for editing a pdf acrobat will look at system fonts


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Re: [NTG-context] Font embedding

2012-02-28 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/2/28 Honza Hejzl honza.he...@gmail.com:
 satisfy 99 % of modern printing offices. Embedding of all fonts is very
 typical demand of them. I really need it, sometimes it is not good or

Check the yellow pages for a printing house that does not demand that. :-)

Best
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Re: [NTG-context] Font embedding

2012-02-28 Thread Hans Hagen

On 28-2-2012 16:05, Honza Hejzl wrote:


P. S. It could be great to have +/– choice of subset/embed.


as Martin says ... maybe consider a different printing house ... at 
least ask them why they want an fully embedded font and if they can 
define what fully means in these open type days ... what is the use of 
alternate shapes (or when alternates are used, what is the use of 
regular shapes) and what will they do with them given that all 
information about using them is not embedded anyway ...


In a similar fashion you can expect a printing house to have a full 
acrobat ( version 6) so that they can convert to different pdf 
standards if needed, remap color spaces, etc.


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[NTG-context] Project, product, component...

2012-02-28 Thread Procházka Lukáš Ing . - Pontex s . r . o .

Hello,

I'm trying to use advantages of project/product/component structure.

Suppose having a very simple example (both files in the same directory):

 Prod.mkiv
\startproduct PPP
  \component Comp.mkiv

  Product
\stopproduct


And:

 Comp.mkiv
\startcomponent CCC
  Component
\stopcomponent


When I compile Comp.mkiv, I get (successfully) text Component.

When I compile Prod.mkiv, I get (successfully) text Product Component.

So the question - what are PPP and CCC identifiers (following \startproduct 
and \starcomponent respectively) used or intended for?

- So far, it seems to me that I refer to file names (as with \input) when 
working with components rather than their ids assigned by \startcomponent or 
\startproduct.

What would be a situation when I'd need to use ids CCC or PPP (or later, those assigned by 
\startproduct PROD and \startenvironment ENV)?

Best regards,

Lukas


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Re: [NTG-context] Project, product, component...

2012-02-28 Thread Jaroslav Hajtmar

Hello,

Project structure use quite often, but yet similar question not occurred 
to me. I had always previously PPP and CCC as existing filenames on the 
disk. I suppose it would be right.

But I would like to extend Luke's question on this issue:
You can load an existing component to other components? Is it acceptable 
or undesirable? At some point I would throw this possibility, but I do 
not want to do something that could then backfire somehow.



Thanx Jaroslav Hajtmar



Dne 28.2.2012 17:37, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. napsal(a):

Hello,

I'm trying to use advantages of project/product/component structure.

Suppose having a very simple example (both files in the same directory):

 Prod.mkiv
\startproduct PPP
  \component Comp.mkiv

  Product
\stopproduct


And:

 Comp.mkiv
\startcomponent CCC
  Component
\stopcomponent


When I compile Comp.mkiv, I get (successfully) text Component.

When I compile Prod.mkiv, I get (successfully) text Product Component.

So the question - what are PPP and CCC identifiers (following 
\startproduct and \starcomponent respectively) used or intended for?


- So far, it seems to me that I refer to file names (as with \input) 
when working with components rather than their ids assigned by 
\startcomponent or \startproduct.


What would be a situation when I'd need to use ids CCC or PPP (or 
later, those assigned by \startproduct PROD and \startenvironment 
ENV)?


Best regards,

Lukas



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Re: [NTG-context] Font embedding

2012-02-28 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 03:39:04PM +0100, Honza Hejzl wrote:
 Hi,
 
 does anybody know how to really embed fonts into a pdffile? I have checked and
 read many conversations on that topic here but without the real solution (just
 a tons of arguments about how problematic/unethic it could be… and so on).
 
 I know well MKIV subsets all fonts. Yes, it is really good but it does not
 satisfy 99 % of modern printing offices. Embedding of all fonts is very 
 typical
 demand of them. I really need it, sometimes it is not good or possible to
 discuss with a printing office why to use my file instead of the one you are
 demanding.

When using map files 'fontfile' should tell the engine to fully embed
the font, but since MkIV does not use map files you can't use this.
Alternatively, font table passed from lua to pdf backed have an
'embedding' key and setting it to 'full' should fully embed the font,
but I don't know if MkIV provides a way to control this.

Regards,
 Khaled
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Re: [NTG-context] Project, product, component...

2012-02-28 Thread Marco
On 2012-02-28 Jaroslav Hajtmar hajt...@gyza.cz wrote:

 Project structure  use quite often,  but yet similar  question not
 occurred to me.

It's a very  interesting question, I was asking myself  the same and
I'm curious about  the answer. The ConTeXt magazine  #1101 - Project
Structure¹ is reserved about this topic and simply states:

  “The names given after the start command are not that important…”

 I had always  previously PPP and CCC as existing  filenames on the
 disk.

I always used filenames, too.

 But I would like to extend  Luke's question on this issue: You can
 load an existing component to other components?

The  ConTeXt  magazine  #1101  includes  a  table  of  the  possible
combinations  of  the commands.  From  this  table I  conclude  that
components are allowed between:

∙ \starttext  \stoptext
∙ \startcomponent \stopcomponent
∙ \startproduct   \stopproduct

Marco

[1] http://pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-1101.pdf


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Re: [NTG-context] Font embedding

2012-02-28 Thread Honza Hejzl
 Check the yellow pages for a printing house that does not demand that. :-)

 Best
   Martin


I am sorry, but that is absolutely typical demand, I have never seen at
least one printing house which does not demand that... (And this is not a
solution! :o))

In nowadays it is the client who choose the specific printing office, my
situation is the same.

That printing house demands expecially this:

PDF file must be version *1.3*

Embed the typeface in the document along with the image data. Avoid using
OPI commentaries! The typefaces used may be of the following standards: *
Type1*, *TrueType*, *and Opentype*. As a matter of principle, the data is
provided as a composite (not separated). Formats other than PDF are
accepted only after prior agreement.

The PDF provided file should especially not contain any kind of
meta-information, hypertext link, etc.

Everyone in printing industry *knows* what does it mean to embed fonts,
it is similar like when somebody wants pdf x-1a file (in printing industry
the standard).

I am not a programmer, I don't know what does it mean in a code point of
view. Trust me, embedding of fonts is the standard (if you are not able to
provide us the file as we need, your client should find another typesetter
- who typesets in InDesign). InDesign subsets typically just fonts used for
texts where is not used 100 % of alphabet (pdf export settings).

Honza

P. S. Some inspiration could maybe provide the Scribus, it has nice pdf
export possibilities, better than InDesign itself!
P. P. S. I have sent this to Hans and after that found your answers here,
so I am sending similar info.
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[NTG-context] Is it bibliography really problem for MKIV?

2012-02-28 Thread Jaroslav Hajtmar

Hello ConTeXist..

I have an unusual question: Is it bibliography really such a big problem 
for MKIV or I am unable to do?
Do you have some experience in the bibliography at MKIV? Can you refer 
me to a source of information about this? Submitter thesis has a very 
strict requirement to the list of bibliography. The numbering of 
bibliographic items must be in the same order in which items are used in 
the text. Moreover, in the form of AMS is, [1], [2], etc. I've tried 
many hours, but I am absolutely not able to achieve the required form. I 
do not believe that I will eventually have to write a thesis in LaTeX 
because of the stupid request.
May possibly be some way around? It occurred to me to do an emergency 
way. I want redefine of the \cite macro to macro \CITE. The \CITE macro 
put me list the order bibliographic items  and then I arrange manually a 
list of bibliographic entries. Or exist any external tools for that do it?


Thanx Jaroslav Hajtmar

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Re: [NTG-context] Project, product, component...

2012-02-28 Thread Jaroslav Hajtmar

Thanx Marco.

I remember that I once read that magazine, but I already forgot it. It 
is good that you reminded me. It is good to occasionally return to the 
forgotten manuals. Thanks again.


Jaroslav.


Dne 28.2.2012 19:01, Marco napsal(a):

On 2012-02-28 Jaroslav Hajtmarhajt...@gyza.cz  wrote:

   

Project structure  use quite often,  but yet similar  question not
occurred to me.
 

It's a very  interesting question, I was asking myself  the same and
I'm curious about  the answer. The ConTeXt magazine  #1101 - Project
Structure¹ is reserved about this topic and simply states:

   “The names given after the start command are not that important…”

   

I had always  previously PPP and CCC as existing  filenames on the
disk.
 

I always used filenames, too.

   

But I would like to extend  Luke's question on this issue: You can
load an existing component to other components?
 

The  ConTeXt  magazine  #1101  includes  a  table  of  the  possible
combinations  of  the commands.  From  this  table I  conclude  that
components are allowed between:

∙ \starttext  \stoptext
∙ \startcomponent \stopcomponent
∙ \startproduct   \stopproduct

Marco

[1] http://pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-1101.pdf


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Re: [NTG-context] Is it bibliography really problem for MKIV?

2012-02-28 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On 2/28/12 7:12 PM, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote:

Hello ConTeXist..

I have an unusual question: Is it bibliography really such a big problem
for MKIV or I am unable to do?
Do you have some experience in the bibliography at MKIV? Can you refer
me to a source of information about this? Submitter thesis has a very
strict requirement to the list of bibliography. The numbering of
bibliographic items must be in the same order in which items are used in
the text. Moreover, in the form of AMS is, [1], [2], etc. I've tried
many hours, but I am absolutely not able to achieve the required form. I
do not believe that I will eventually have to write a thesis in LaTeX
because of the stupid request.
May possibly be some way around? It occurred to me to do an emergency
way. I want redefine of the \cite macro to macro \CITE. The \CITE macro
put me list the order bibliographic items  and then I arrange manually a
list of bibliographic entries. Or exist any external tools for that do it?

Thanx Jaroslav Hajtmar


Your question is kind of vague, so it's difficult to give a meaningful 
answer. Bibliographies in mkiv work; a few months ago, I finished a 
scholarly volume with a bibliography of 600 entries. If you have a 
precise question, you better provide a minimal example and show us what 
doesn't work (or what you couldn't achieve). If you have worked many 
hours, you must have something to show.


Best

Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] Is it bibliography really problem for MKIV?

2012-02-28 Thread Stefan Müller

Hi,

have you tried the following?

\setuppublications[alternative=ams, refcommand=num]

This sets the default cite style to [1], [2], ... You can also see 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography and the bib module manual 
which is linked from there.  Sorting the citations by the order in the 
text are the default behavior, it could be set (in \setuppublications) 
with sorttype=cite.


Hope that helps,
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On 28.02.2012 19:12, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote:

Hello ConTeXist..

I have an unusual question: Is it bibliography really such a big problem
for MKIV or I am unable to do?
Do you have some experience in the bibliography at MKIV? Can you refer
me to a source of information about this? Submitter thesis has a very
strict requirement to the list of bibliography. The numbering of
bibliographic items must be in the same order in which items are used in
the text. Moreover, in the form of AMS is, [1], [2], etc. I've tried
many hours, but I am absolutely not able to achieve the required form. I
do not believe that I will eventually have to write a thesis in LaTeX
because of the stupid request.
May possibly be some way around? It occurred to me to do an emergency
way. I want redefine of the \cite macro to macro \CITE. The \CITE macro
put me list the order bibliographic items and then I arrange manually a
list of bibliographic entries. Or exist any external tools for that do it?

Thanx Jaroslav Hajtmar

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[NTG-context] Scribus vs ConTeXt

2012-02-28 Thread Kip Warner
Hey folks,

I was wondering if someone could offer a meaningful comparison in a
nutshell to a layperson of the pros and cons of using Scribus versus
ConTeXt. I actually just discovered the former today.

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Re: [NTG-context] Scribus vs ConTeXt

2012-02-28 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:34:07AM -0800, Kip Warner wrote:
 Hey folks,
 
 I was wondering if someone could offer a meaningful comparison in a
 nutshell to a layperson of the pros and cons of using Scribus versus
 ConTeXt. I actually just discovered the former today.

With Scribus you get an nice GUI, with ConTeXt you get every thing else
that really matters for a typesetting job.

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Re: [NTG-context] Font embedding

2012-02-28 Thread Hans Hagen

On 28-2-2012 19:08, Honza Hejzl wrote:

Check the yellow pages for a printing house that does not demand that. :-)

Best
   Martin



I am sorry, but that is absolutely typical demand, I have never seen at
least one printing house which does not demand that... (And this is not a
solution! :o))


Eh .. you mean that most printing houses demand *full* inclusion?


PDF file must be version *1.3*


Hm ... reminds me of printing houses that convert the pdf to ps and use 
quark for imposition, don't want to update acrobat for a few hundred 
euro but expect their customers to invest a lot in them.


I'm curious what Luigi thinks of this (as he works at a lerge printing 
house).



Embed the typeface in the document along with the image data. Avoid using
OPI commentaries! The typefaces used may be of the following standards: *
Type1*, *TrueType*, *and Opentype*. As a matter of principle, the data is
provided as a composite (not separated). Formats other than PDF are
accepted only after prior agreement.


I wonder what they mean with 'standards' ... take openstype: only some 
splines are included and some width information. So, say that they want 
zapfino to be fully included: they get megabytes of shapes, completely 
unorganized (apart from maybe the fact that one can tell what unicode or 
sequence of unicode it is). No feature data, no kerning, etc. So, this 
demand for 'full embedding' to me more sounds like weird.



The PDF provided file should especially not contain any kind of
meta-information, hypertext link, etc.


that's easy, although even a version 1.3 *only* viewer (if you can still 
find one) is supposed to ignore annotations it does not know


[i could imagine no objects streams but one can easilly convert a 1.X 
file into a 1.y file using acrobat]



Everyone in printing industry *knows* what does it mean to embed fonts,
it is similar like when somebody wants pdf x-1a file (in printing industry
the standard).


sure, but I'm not so sure if everyone expects one to embed all that 
unused information


(btw, so far we never had to provide a specific pdf/x version so there 
are printing houses that are flexible enough to deal with it)



I am not a programmer, I don't know what does it mean in a code point of
view. Trust me, embedding of fonts is the standard (if you are not able to
provide us the file as we need, your client should find another typesetter
- who typesets in InDesign). InDesign subsets typically just fonts used for
texts where is not used 100 % of alphabet (pdf export settings).


it depends ...

- a typesetter produces a file
- in some kind of valid pdf
- that than can be converted by whoever gets that file

a printer might decide to drop features (because he cannot print it) or 
the publisher's prepress department can decide to downsample or convert 
to gray or ...


in your case the printing house does not like what indesign does by 
default, but often it's indesign that sets the standard of what to 
expect so it all depends ... everyone in the publishing chain who claims 
that 'this or that is the standard' is of course right in its own 
perception


anyway ... in your case you can say:

\setupbackend[format=PDF/X-1a:2001]

and get 1.3 (unless of course features are used cq. images included that 
demand otherwise)


and you can best also say

\nopdfcompression

just to be sure that the printing house cannot complain about compression

and then there is

\enabledirectives[fonts.embedall]

but that doesn't work unless you add line 205 in font-con.lua:

tfmdata.embedding = embedding

(I'll add that line in the next beta)

which will embed a font (but of course still quite validly use a subset 
vector).


Graphics and other resources are completely out of context/luatex's 
scope as are all kind of other aspects,


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Re: [NTG-context] Scribus vs ConTeXt

2012-02-28 Thread Jaroslav Hajtmar


Hello,
I work quite often with Scribus (but I am not expert). I use it mainly 
to leaflets, posters (great tools for posters for me) and other similar 
things that contain a lot of graphics, overlays, etc. I can imagine 
writing a small magazine with lots of images, etc. For extensive work 
(thesis and large documents with a large majority of the text) in the 
Scribus current version can not imagine it. Those who can not nothing in 
TeX or ConTeXt Scribus is an interesting option. It's clickable tool 
that allows to one who does not understand typography and not feeling 
for it  do make a nice shit.
Typography expert can produce very nice documents. Or also, someone who 
has a great feel for typography.
Scribus is developing quite quickly and quite well with developers 
trying to improve it. For some time it will definitely be a tool that 
can tread on the heels of InDesign


Jaroslav Hajtmar


Dne 28.2.2012 20:34, Kip Warner napsal(a):

Hey folks,

I was wondering if someone could offer a meaningful comparison in a
nutshell to a layperson of the pros and cons of using Scribus versus
ConTeXt. I actually just discovered the former today.

   



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Re: [NTG-context] Font embedding

2012-02-28 Thread Hans Hagen

On 28-2-2012 18:38, Khaled Hosny wrote:


When using map files 'fontfile' should tell the engine to fully embed
the font, but since MkIV does not use map files you can't use this.
Alternatively, font table passed from lua to pdf backed have an
'embedding' key and setting it to 'full' should fully embed the font,
but I don't know if MkIV provides a way to control this.


It's a document property (as I see no need to configure it per font) and 
these are controlled via directives:


\enabledirective[fonts.embed]

But passing the flag to luatex got lost when I redid some of the font 
code quite a while ago (and no one complained),


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Re: [NTG-context] Font embedding

2012-02-28 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/2/28 Honza Hejzl honza.he...@gmail.com:
 PDF file must be version 1.3

Yellow pages. Now. Choose one that can handle PDF/X-4.

PDF 1.4 was released in 2001. If they need 1.3, their software is
probably a decade old.

Best
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Re: [NTG-context] Unsupported coverage contextpos for 'RQD ' Greek Caps after Accents Positioning-1

2012-02-28 Thread Pablo Rodríguez
On 02/28/2012 01:56 PM, luigi scarso wrote:
 On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
 On 26-2-2012 20:42, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
¡ On 02/26/2012 07:50 PM, luigi scarso wrote:

 The font is fromhttp://www.thessalonica.org.ru/en/fonts-download.html .
 The log says :
 fonts otf prepare unsupported coverage contextpos for
 'RQD ' Greek Caps after Accents Positioning-1

 Thomas ?

 Sorry, I have absolutely no clue what this is supposed to mean... I'm
 not even sure if the message comes from the core or Wolfgang's module?
 All I can say is: Theano-Didot is also supported by the ancientgreek
 module, and the font works normally here:

 Anyhow, we're not going to look into it if there is no proper test file
 showing the problem. We don't even know what features are involved.

Dear Luigi, Thomas and Hans,

I asked to the font creator (I had other issues with the font to report)
and he told me that this is actually a positive kerning in the combining
diacritical mark so they look exactly like the precombined characters
(so that Ἄ looks like of ῎Α).

I don't think it makes any sense to implement such a feature. And the
font creator may change this to the kern feature in a future release.

I hope it helps,


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Re: [NTG-context] Unsupported coverage contextpos for 'RQD ' Greek Caps after Accents Positioning-1

2012-02-28 Thread Hans Hagen

On 28-2-2012 21:45, Pablo Rodríguez wrote:

On 02/28/2012 01:56 PM, luigi scarso wrote:

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Hans Hagenpra...@wxs.nl  wrote:

On 26-2-2012 20:42, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

¡  On 02/26/2012 07:50 PM, luigi scarso wrote:


The font is fromhttp://www.thessalonica.org.ru/en/fonts-download.html .
The log says :
fonts  otf prepare  unsupported coverage contextpos for
'RQD ' Greek Caps after Accents Positioning-1

Thomas ?


Sorry, I have absolutely no clue what this is supposed to mean... I'm
not even sure if the message comes from the core or Wolfgang's module?
All I can say is: Theano-Didot is also supported by the ancientgreek
module, and the font works normally here:


Anyhow, we're not going to look into it if there is no proper test file
showing the problem. We don't even know what features are involved.


Dear Luigi, Thomas and Hans,

I asked to the font creator (I had other issues with the font to report)
and he told me that this is actually a positive kerning in the combining
diacritical mark so they look exactly like the precombined characters
(so that Ἄ looks like of ῎Α).

I don't think it makes any sense to implement such a feature. And the
font creator may change this to the kern feature in a future release.

I hope it helps,


well, if some feature is not supported then we need to solve it but we 
can wait till we run into a better defined case next time


Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] Scribus vs ConTeXt

2012-02-28 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm


Am 2012-02-28 um 21:20 schrieb Jaroslav Hajtmar:



Hello,
I work quite often with Scribus (but I am not expert). I use it  
mainly to leaflets, posters (great tools for posters for me) and  
other similar things that contain a lot of graphics, overlays, etc.  
I can imagine writing a small magazine with lots of images, etc. For  
extensive work (thesis and large documents with a large majority of  
the text) in the Scribus current version can not imagine it. Those  
who can not nothing in TeX or ConTeXt Scribus is an interesting  
option. It's clickable tool that allows to one who does not  
understand typography and not feeling for it  do make a nice shit.
Typography expert can produce very nice documents. Or also, someone  
who has a great feel for typography.
Scribus is developing quite quickly and quite well with developers  
trying to improve it. For some time it will definitely be a tool  
that can tread on the heels of InDesign


But it still lacks a lot of essential features for professional work  
(at least in my area), e.g. usable master pages and nondestructional  
import of vector graphics (esp. PDF), CMYK and spot colors. Correct me  
if it gained these lastly - I know they're working on it, but the  
development speed is much much slower than ConTeXt’s. Maybe it’s more  
stable and reliable therefore...


Scribus has at least one feature that sets it ahead of InDesign  
(besides being Open Source): render frames (similar functionality as  
ConTeX’s filter module - replace foreign sourcecode by its result).


Greetlings,
Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] Font embedding

2012-02-28 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm

Am 2012-02-28 um 21:23 schrieb Martin Schröder:


2012/2/28 Honza Hejzl honza.he...@gmail.com:

PDF file must be version 1.3


Yellow pages. Now. Choose one that can handle PDF/X-4.

PDF 1.4 was released in 2001. If they need 1.3, their software is
probably a decade old.


No, they just keep to standards they can handle. There’s not so much  
wrong about PDF/X-1 and -3.


I guess the full font embedding is just a misunderstanding. The  
instructions Honza quoted didn’t say full.


I experienced a lot of printshops whose instructions were for office- 
type laymen and just utterly wrong for professionals*, e.g. to deliver  
single page pdfs or to convert all fonts to curves. Other printshops  
never learned anything in the last 20-30 years - they earned their  
insolvence.


*) or, say, people who know stuff - most *amateur* (in the meaning of  
the word) typographers are better than everyday professionals.


Honza, I guess you need only this information: ConTeXt embeds fonts  
very well and standards compliant. If it doesn’t, it’s an error that  
we can track (maybe missing or corrupt font on your system).




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Re: [NTG-context] Scribus vs ConTeXt

2012-02-28 Thread Jaroslav Hajtmar
You have generally right ... But I think that you must not take the 
measure of the devilish speed the development rate of development of 
ConTEXt :-)


I often I make a text document using the Context and the resulting PDF 
document I put into Scribus. With Scribus I put graphics, titles etc.
For normal use Scribus is a good choice. But you have right - for 
professional work in the end one needs a professional tool like InDesign 
or QuarkXpress.


Jaroslav


Dne 28.2.2012 23:26, Henning Hraban Ramm napsal(a):
But it still lacks a lot of essential features for professional work 
(at least in my area), e.g. usable master pages and nondestructional 
import of vector graphics (esp. PDF), CMYK and spot colors. Correct me 
if it gained these lastly - I know they're working on it, but the 
development speed is much much slower than ConTeXt’s. Maybe it’s more 
stable and reliable therefore...


Scribus has at least one feature that sets it ahead of InDesign 
(besides being Open Source): render frames (similar functionality as 
ConTeX’s filter module - replace foreign sourcecode by its result). 


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Re: [NTG-context] Broken Nightly (2012.02.18)

2012-02-28 Thread Kip Warner
On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 13:20 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
 apart from a funny corner at least it helps if the colors are defined
 
 \definecolor[colour_page][red]
 \definecolor[colour_text][green]

Actually it doesn't. Even with the corner and colour variables removed,
or the latter defined, it makes no difference:

graphics invalid region for 'tbg:1'
! LuaTeX error /usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/anch-pgr.lua:530:
attempt to index field 'list' (a nil value)
stack traceback:
/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/anch-pgr.lua:530: in function
'fetchmultipar'
/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/anch-pgr.lua:569: in function
'fetchmultipar'
main ctx instance:1: in main chunk.
\ctxcommand ...\directlua \zerocount {commands.#1}
  
argument ...tipars {\MPvar {self}}{\MPanchorid }
   ; \includeMPgraphic
{\MPv...
\meta_process_graphic ...graphicformat , \!!bs #1
  ;\!!es , \!!bs
\meta_flush...
\anch_positions_meta_graphic_use ...#3\stopMPcode 
  \endgroup 
\anch_positions_meta_graphic_nested ...graphic #2}
  \endgroup 
\anch_positions_meta_graphic_direct_indeed ...ame 

\removelastspace }\smashbo...
...
l.36 ... and the methane/oxygen return propellant.

Using ConTeXt  ver: 2012.02.21 14:02 MKIV  fmt: 2012.2.28  int:
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Re: [NTG-context] Scribus vs ConTeXt

2012-02-28 Thread Kip Warner
On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 21:20 +0100, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote:
 Hello,
 I work quite often with Scribus (but I am not expert). I use it mainly 
 to leaflets, posters (great tools for posters for me) and other similar 
 things that contain a lot of graphics, overlays, etc. I can imagine 
 writing a small magazine with lots of images, etc. For extensive work 
 (thesis and large documents with a large majority of the text) in the 
 Scribus current version can not imagine it. Those who can not nothing in 
 TeX or ConTeXt Scribus is an interesting option. It's clickable tool 
 that allows to one who does not understand typography and not feeling 
 for it  do make a nice shit.
 Typography expert can produce very nice documents. Or also, someone who 
 has a great feel for typography.
 Scribus is developing quite quickly and quite well with developers 
 trying to improve it. For some time it will definitely be a tool that 
 can tread on the heels of InDesign
 
 Jaroslav Hajtmar

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Re: [NTG-context] Scribus vs ConTeXt

2012-02-28 Thread Kip Warner
On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 21:43 +0200, Khaled Hosny wrote:
 With Scribus you get an nice GUI, with ConTeXt you get every thing else
 that really matters for a typesetting job.
 
 Regards,
  Khaled

Hey Khaled. That is kind of a given, but thanks anyways.

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Re: [NTG-context] Font embedding

2012-02-28 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.net wrote:
 Am 2012-02-28 um 21:23 schrieb Martin Schröder:


 2012/2/28 Honza Hejzl honza.he...@gmail.com:

 PDF file must be version 1.3


 Yellow pages. Now. Choose one that can handle PDF/X-4.

 PDF 1.4 was released in 2001. If they need 1.3, their software is
 probably a decade old.


 No, they just keep to standards they can handle. There’s not so much wrong
 about PDF/X-1 and -3.
right. After all, many of tex user still use dvitops and pstopdf.

 I guess the full font embedding is just a misunderstanding. The
 instructions Honza quoted didn’t say full.
yes, this is what I believe

 I experienced a lot of printshops whose instructions were for office-type
 laymen and just utterly wrong for professionals*, e.g. to deliver single
 page pdfs or to convert all fonts to curves. Other printshops never learned
 anything in the last 20-30 years - they earned their insolvence.

 *) or, say, people who know stuff - most *amateur* (in the meaning of the
 word) typographers are better than everyday professionals.
or \input zapf



 Honza, I guess you need only this information: ConTeXt embeds fonts very
 well and standards compliant. If it doesn’t, it’s an error that we can track
 (maybe missing or corrupt font on your system).
Right -- at least this is  my almost 10 years experience of industrial
printing with mkii and mkiv.

The only obscure issue with fonts embedding is the fact that at least
for pdf1.4
it was a bad practice (let's says so) to embed one of the 14
Postscript standard fonts
Courier,Courier-Bold,Courier-Oblique,Courier-BoldOblique,Helvetica,Helvetica-Bold,Helvetica-Oblique,Helvetica-BoldOblique,Times-Roman,Times-Bold,Times-Italic,Times-BoldItalic,Symbol,ZapfDingbats
(the  Base-14 Fonts)
but pdf/a-* which is pdf 1.4 based requires that all the font *must*
be correctly embed, even one of the Base-14 fonts.
So, a pdf1.4 with, let's say, only helvetica correctly embed, can be
theoretically marked as bad (not wrong, just bad) if checked versus
a generic 1.4 version compliant,
but right (at least form the point of view of fonts) if checked as pdf/a-1 .
But it's so dependant to the pdf-checker that we can say that if the
last release of Acrobat say it's ok, than you can say that it's ok.
(incidentally, that's why in this situation I use Nimbus whenever I
can, to avoid such kind of noises).


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Re: [NTG-context] pagereference broken in project

2012-02-28 Thread Steffen Wolfrum

Am 28.02.2012 um 16:28 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:

 Hi,
 
 when I run (vers. 20120116) this minimal product with MyProduct.tex, 
 I get ?? instead of the pagenumber for \at[abb:n] to \pagereference[abb:n].
 
 Is there a fix, or did I do a mistake?


Just to be sure, I tested pagereference over components with various other 
versions from last year and and this year: referencing never works.

Can this be confirmed?

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] Font embedding

2012-02-28 Thread Honza Hejzl
Just a little P. S.

Here is the typical view of fully embedded fonts (Scribus made):
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4393365/embedded.png

And here the typical view of subset fonts (ConTeXt made):
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4393365/subset.png

I will try to discuss that with somebody from the industry...

Honza
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Re: [NTG-context] Font embedding

2012-02-28 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Honza Hejzl honza.he...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just a little P. S.

 Here is the typical view of fully embedded fonts (Scribus made):
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4393365/embedded.png

 And here the typical view of subset fonts (ConTeXt made):
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4393365/subset.png

 I will try to discuss that with somebody from the industry...
can you try both with
$pdffonts file1.pdf
$pdffonts file2.pdf
where file1 and file 2 are from
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4393365/embedded.png
and
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4393365/subset.png
and include the output here ?


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