Re: [NTG-context] interesting link
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: Hi, As Luigi hasn't posted a link in a while ... here is one that looks interesting http://www.nongnu.org/gsl-**shell/doc/http://www.nongnu.org/gsl-shell/doc/ (would fit nicely in luatex a library given that tex as system for typesetting is used for scientific publishing) I've (of course...) already built a binding for gsl and I keep an eye on it. Until two days ago the problem was luajit: but on September 16 http://www.freelists.org/post/luajit/Support-for-goto-and-labels-added so, considering the move from lua 5.1 to lua 5.2, it's reasonable to start to think at luajittex (well, at least for me) . -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] interesting link
Hello, http://www.nongnu.org/gsl-shell/doc/ it looks useful... So far, I can't see any binding between GSL's 'graph.plot*()' and any output that would be accepted by ConTeXt; e.g. no .png nor MP code can be produced from GSL. It would be nice to have them as it seems many computations could be solved by GSL and it would be good to have a way to put the graphical results to ConTeXt. Lukas -- Ing. Lukáš Procházka [mailto:l...@pontex.cz] Pontex s. r. o. [mailto:pon...@pontex.cz] [http://www.pontex.cz] Bezová 1658 147 14 Praha 4 Tel: +420 244 062 238 Fax: +420 244 461 038 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Ctx: list of commands
Hello,
@Philipp:
1) is there a Ctx command/switch which would generate list of all current
ConTeXt commands? E.g.
Hi Lukáš, if you interpret “current Context commands” as “macros
known to TeX”, you may try dumping the hashtable with these lines:
···
\starttext
\startluacode
table.print(tex.hashtokens())
\stopluacode
\stoptext
···
thanks for the idea.
Unfortunately, current Context commands don't need to be necessarily macros known to
TeX, as ConTeXt may have defined many macros that are not for public use.
It seems that my question is not so straightforward - I didn't think it would it could be problem
to separate public macros (= public ConTeXt commands = these that are cited in manuals,
on wiki or simply - which you can use).
Maybe - if I know ALL macros - it would be easy to distinguish between public ones and
protected ones - supposing the latter have always at least one of the special chars -
_@?! (or other?) in it.
I tried your idea, but in this part of the output:
...
[startJScode]={ 127, 290597, 60096 },
[startJSpreamble]={ 127, 290644, 49920 },
[startLUA]={ 127, 245948, 28541 },
[startLuaSnippet]={ 127, 244345, 530 },
[startLuaSnippetBoundary]={ 127, 246417, 46341 },
[startLuaSnippetComment]={ 127, 247113, 23071 },
[startLuaSnippetName]={ 127, 246301, 9781 },
[startLuaSnippetNameBase]={ 127, 244439, 46291 },
[startLuaSnippetNameCore]={ 127, 245803, 61132 },
[startLuaSnippetNameLibraries]={ 127, 246257, 38877 },
[startLuaSnippetQuote]={ 127, 246898, 19907 },
[startLuaSnippetSpecial]={ 127, 247006, 23901 },
[startLuaSnippetString]={ 127, 246646, 61126 },
[startMP]={ 127, 245820, 14236 },
...
- the command/macro \startluacode is missing (why?) and
- e.g. the macro \startLuaSnippetNameBase is not mentioned for public use I
guess, but also is not detectable by presence of any special char (@_!?).
So I'm not sure this way is usable.
@Hans:
How exactly did you mean to use:
\starttext
\startluacode
table.print(tex.hashtokens())
\stopluacode
\stoptext
···
or
\enabledirectives[system.dumphash]
\enabledirectives[system.dumpdelta]
This:
\starttext
\enabledirectives[system.dumphash]
\enabledirectives[system.dumpdelta]
\stoptext
gives nothing useful.
How exactly to use the command/switch --textpad or --text with
context.exe?
Best regards,
Lukas
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Re: [NTG-context] Ctx: list of commands
On Tue, Sep 18 2012, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote: - the command/macro \startluacode is missing (why?) and Are you sure? I can see it... -- Peter ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Ctx: list of commands
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:36:54 +0200, Peter Münster pmli...@free.fr wrote: - the command/macro \startluacode is missing (why?) and Are you sure? I can see it... ... You're right, I see it, too... Lukas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] interesting link
On 18-9-2012 08:38, luigi scarso wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: Hi, As Luigi hasn't posted a link in a while ... here is one that looks interesting http://www.nongnu.org/gsl-**shell/doc/http://www.nongnu.org/gsl-shell/doc/ (would fit nicely in luatex a library given that tex as system for typesetting is used for scientific publishing) I've (of course...) already built a binding for gsl and I keep an eye on it. Until two days ago the problem was luajit: but on September 16 http://www.freelists.org/post/luajit/Support-for-goto-and-labels-added so, considering the move from lua 5.1 to lua 5.2, it's reasonable to start to think at luajittex (well, at least for me) . Interesting. So it works well as a library? I'm not so sure if we gain much with jit in luatex but it's worth a try. It would also be interesting to see how the 5.2 garbage collector works out (as well as the new string has implementation). Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] interesting link
On 18-9-2012 09:10, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote: Hello, http://www.nongnu.org/gsl-shell/doc/ it looks useful... So far, I can't see any binding between GSL's 'graph.plot*()' and any output that would be accepted by ConTeXt; e.g. no .png nor MP code can be produced from GSL. it should not be to hard (for luigi, given his mf project) to add output to mp Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Ctx: list of commands
On 18-9-2012 08:44, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote: Hello, @Philipp: 1) is there a Ctx command/switch which would generate list of all current ConTeXt commands? E.g. Hi Lukáš, if you interpret “current Context commands” as “macros known to TeX”, you may try dumping the hashtable with these lines: ··· \starttext \startluacode table.print(tex.hashtokens()) \stopluacode \stoptext ··· thanks for the idea. Unfortunately, current Context commands don't need to be necessarily macros known to TeX, as ConTeXt may have defined many macros that are not for public use. It seems that my question is not so straightforward - I didn't think it would it could be problem to separate public macros (= public ConTeXt commands = these that are cited in manuals, on wiki or simply - which you can use). mult-def.lua has some information (and could be extended) as does mult-low.lua Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] interesting link
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 18-9-2012 09:10, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote: Hello, http://www.nongnu.org/gsl-**shell/doc/http://www.nongnu.org/gsl-shell/doc/ it looks useful... So far, I can't see any binding between GSL's 'graph.plot*()' and any output that would be accepted by ConTeXt; e.g. no .png nor MP code can be produced from GSL. it should not be to hard (for luigi, given his mf project) to add output to mp there are save(filename[, w, h]) Save the plot in a file in a bitmap image format. The first argument is the file name without extension while the other optional arguments are the width and the height in pixels of the image. The format used is BMP on windows and PPM on Linux. save_svg(filename[, w, h]) Save the plot in the given filename in SVG format. Two optional parameters can be given to specify the width and height of the drawing area. If the “svg” extension is not given it will be automatically added. They can managed with imagemagick/inkscape On the other side, I often manage to export a kind of lua table (if possible) and use lua /mplib of context to produce a single pdf of each graph. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] output of token.command_name() [was: Ctx: list of commands]
···date: 2012-09-18, Tuesday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 17-9-2012 21:29, Philipp Gesang wrote: ···date: 2012-09-17, Monday···from: Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.··· Hello, 1) is there a Ctx command/switch which would generate list of all current ConTeXt commands? E.g. Hi Lukáš, if you interpret “current Context commands” as “macros known to TeX”, you may try dumping the hashtable with these lines: ··· \starttext \startluacode table.print(tex.hashtokens()) \stopluacode \stoptext ··· or \enabledirectives[system.dumphash] \enabledirectives[system.dumpdelta] In trackers.dumphashtofile(), you use the Luatex function token.commandname(). Among others, it returns a category “undefined_cs”. Are those the macros that have been defined and invalidated, but are kept on the hash anyways because of some issues involving \gdef? (I remember reading about this in “TeX the Program” but I can’t look it up right now as it is buried somewhere deep inside a book crate.) Philipp - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments pgpUOmy0e2Jey.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] output of token.command_name() [was: Ctx: list of commands]
On 18-9-2012 11:52, Philipp Gesang wrote: ···date: 2012-09-18, Tuesday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 17-9-2012 21:29, Philipp Gesang wrote: ···date: 2012-09-17, Monday···from: Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o.··· Hello, 1) is there a Ctx command/switch which would generate list of all current ConTeXt commands? E.g. Hi Lukáš, if you interpret “current Context commands” as “macros known to TeX”, you may try dumping the hashtable with these lines: ··· \starttext \startluacode table.print(tex.hashtokens()) \stopluacode \stoptext ··· or \enabledirectives[system.dumphash] \enabledirectives[system.dumpdelta] In trackers.dumphashtofile(), you use the Luatex function token.commandname(). Among others, it returns a category “undefined_cs”. Are those the macros that have been defined and invalidated, but are kept on the hash anyways because of some issues involving \gdef? (I remember reading about this in “TeX the Program” but I can’t look it up right now as it is buried somewhere deep inside a book crate.) well, undefined is still defined but with meaning 'undefined' ... indeed all stays in the hash .. harmless - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Bibliography, unicode strings, @ELECTRONIC, sorting and bibtex
Hi, I have some questions regarding the bibliography. 1) The style files bibl-ams.tex, bibl-ssa.tex, etc contain strings like ``, ~. This does not make sense to me. The `` ends up like that in the output and the tilde might interfere with the \asciimode setting. Wouldn't it be better to use the proper Unicode glyphs (U+201C, U+00A0, etc.) nowadays? I assume the files are old MkII files and not being updated since. Example: \setupbibtex [database=sample] \setuppublications [alternative=ssa] \starttext \cite[hh2010a] \cite[Eijkhout1991] \cite[hh2010] \placepublications [criterium=cite] \stoptext 2) The @ELECTRONIC type does not work (already mentioned in the wiki). It does not show up in the references list. I guess no one bothered adding them and it's up to me to add the corresponding entries. Maybe someone has already prepared a working file for the APA style? 3) How to sort the bibliography by author? According to the bib manual I expected this to work: \setupbibtex [database=sample] \setuppublications [alternative=apa, criterium=cite, sort=author] \starttext \cite[hh2010a] \cite[Eijkhout1991] \placepublications \stoptext 4) \completepublications produces an empty page. Is that intended? \setupbibtex [database=sample] \setuppublications [alternative=ssa, criterium=cite] \starttext \cite[hh2010a] \completepublications \stoptext 5) (side question) What is BibTeX used for in ConTeXt? As far as I can see, it reads the .bib database and generates a .bbl file which then is read in by ConTeXt. Why do we need an external tool for this? Why does ConTeXt not read in the .bib database and directly save it as a Lua table? Marco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography, unicode strings, @ELECTRONIC, sorting and bibtex
On Sep 18, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Marco Patzer home...@lavabit.com wrote: Hi, I have some questions regarding the bibliography. 1) The style files bibl-ams.tex, bibl-ssa.tex, etc contain strings like ``, ~. This does not make sense to me. The `` ends up like that in the output and the tilde might interfere with the \asciimode setting. Wouldn't it be better to use the proper Unicode glyphs (U+201C, U+00A0, etc.) nowadays? I assume the files are old MkII files and not being updated since. Example: \setupbibtex [database=sample] \setuppublications [alternative=ssa] \starttext \cite[hh2010a] \cite[Eijkhout1991] \cite[hh2010] \placepublications [criterium=cite] \stoptext You're right, this is old code that needs to be fixed. The problem is that users of bibtex in ConTeXt are a minority, and users of such precooked styles a tiny minority - I use bibtex quite often, but wouldn't know how to fix these styles and have never used them. So if you're sure about what to do, fix them and send Hans a patch. 2) The @ELECTRONIC type does not work (already mentioned in the wiki). It does not show up in the references list. I guess no one bothered adding them and it's up to me to add the corresponding entries. Maybe someone has already prepared a working file for the APA style? Possible. I have @ELECTRONIC definitions in my own private style files, but have never used APA. 3) How to sort the bibliography by author? According to the bib manual I expected this to work: \setupbibtex [database=sample] \setuppublications [alternative=apa, criterium=cite, sort=author] You haven't read carefully enough, it's sorttype=author \starttext \cite[hh2010a] \cite[Eijkhout1991] \placepublications \stoptext 4) \completepublications produces an empty page. Is that intended? \setupbibtex [database=sample] \setuppublications [alternative=ssa, criterium=cite] \starttext \cite[hh2010a] \completepublications \stoptext http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20110923.091734.6b388a11.en.html 5) (side question) What is BibTeX used for in ConTeXt? As far as I can see, it reads the .bib database and generates a .bbl file which then is read in by ConTeXt. Why do we need an external tool for this? Why does ConTeXt not read in the .bib database and directly save it as a Lua table? Because nobody has coded that part yet? This may not be as easy as you make it sound because quite a few heuristics go into parsing bibtex files (e.g., look at the way in which bibtex divides names into first name, last name, von-part, jr-part). Over the years, I have read and heard many complaints about bibtex and many announcements that something infinitely better is just around the corner, to be delivered in all its glory real soon now. For the time being, I don't see any real replacement, but I may be wrong. Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography, unicode strings, @ELECTRONIC, sorting and bibtex
2012-09-18 Schmitz Thomas A. thomas.schm...@uni-bonn.de: Hi Thomas The problem is that users of bibtex in ConTeXt are a minority, and users of such precooked styles a tiny minority With a handful of up-to-date working common citation styles citations would be much more easy. But I get your point. I use bibtex quite often, but wouldn't know how to fix these styles and have never used them. So if you're sure about what to do, fix them and send Hans a patch. Frankly, I'm no expert in those things. The bibliographies I created so far were quick and dirty, I didn't have the time to create proper styles or repair the shipped ones. I will see what I can do to at least improve the existing ones after the current project is done. Maybe someone has already prepared a working file for the APA style? Possible. I have @ELECTRONIC definitions in my own private style files, but have never used APA. Same here. \setuppublications [alternative=apa, criterium=cite, sort=author] You haven't read carefully enough, it's sorttype=author This doesn't work, either: \setupbibtex [database=sample] \setuppublications [alternative=apa, criterium=cite, sorttype=author] \starttext \cite[hh2010a] \cite[Eijkhout1991] \placepublications \stoptext \completepublications produces an empty page. Is that intended? http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20110923.091734.6b388a11.en.html Using criterium=text fixed it. What is BibTeX used for in ConTeXt? As far as I can see, it reads the .bib database and generates a .bbl file which then is read in by ConTeXt. Why do we need an external tool for this? Why does ConTeXt not read in the .bib database and directly save it as a Lua table? Because nobody has coded that part yet? This may not be as easy as you make it sound because quite a few heuristics go into parsing bibtex files (e.g., look at the way in which bibtex divides names into first name, last name, von-part, jr-part). I'm aware of that. So it basically boils down to the fact that bibliographies are not popular among ConTeXt users (including Hans) and therefore much functionality is not properly implemented or cared for. And BibTeX is used since it understands the semantics of bib files, although a pure ConTeXt/Lua solution would be possible. Without BibTeX this functionality would be missing since no one is willing to implement a parser for .bib databases. If I only had time… Marco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography, unicode strings, @ELECTRONIC, sorting and bibtex
Hi all, ···date: 2012-09-18, Tuesday···from: Marco Patzer··· 2012-09-18 Schmitz Thomas A. thomas.schm...@uni-bonn.de: What is BibTeX used for in ConTeXt? As far as I can see, it reads the .bib database and generates a .bbl file which then is read in by ConTeXt. Why do we need an external tool for this? Why does ConTeXt not read in the .bib database and directly save it as a Lua table? Because nobody has coded that part yet? This may not be as easy as you make it sound because quite a few heuristics go into parsing bibtex files (e.g., look at the way in which bibtex divides names into first name, last name, von-part, jr-part). I'm aware of that. So it basically boils down to the fact that bibliographies are not popular among ConTeXt users (including Hans) and therefore much functionality is not properly implemented or cared for. tl;dr: It’s not unpopular, it’s a Hard Problem™. I guess that is so because bibliographies and citation rules are a hard problem to solve generally. As a recent thread on this list revealed, most of us are content to instead solve the much easier problem of creating some bib functionality themselves, tailored to their own needs.[0] A given cite/bib ruleset is easy to implement (as long as you don’t put too much weight on sorting) -- we have Lua, after all. Developing a framework for bibliographies, where everything needs to be adjustable and parameterized (by non-technical people) on demand while remaining stable over a long time, is however a totally different matter. Just have a look at the biber/biblatex codebase and decide yourself. (Now try to imagine the same without Perl and XML to get the style bonus ;-) ) Context, as opposed to LaTeX, lacks the consistent formatting requirements by journals and editors, simply because they don’t usually accept it as an input format. [0] http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg62855.html And BibTeX is used since it understands the semantics of bib files, although a pure ConTeXt/Lua solution would be possible. Without BibTeX this functionality would be missing since no one is willing to implement a parser for .bib databases. Context happens to have such a parser, written in Lua. Probably the best one around: ··· \starttext \startluacode local db = bibtex.new() bibtex.load(db, filename.bib) table.print(db) \stopluacode \stoptext ··· Regards Philipp If I only had time… Marco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments pgpuIZywCbRRO.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography, unicode strings, @ELECTRONIC, sorting and bibtex
On Sep 18, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Marco Patzer home...@lavabit.com wrote: This doesn't work, either: \setupbibtex [database=sample] \setuppublications [alternative=apa, criterium=cite, sorttype=author] \starttext \cite[hh2010a] \cite[Eijkhout1991] \placepublications \stoptext This works for me, I get Eijkhout sorted before Hagen. I'm aware of that. So it basically boils down to the fact that bibliographies are not popular among ConTeXt users (including Hans) and therefore much functionality is not properly implemented or cared for. And BibTeX is used since it understands the semantics of bib files, although a pure ConTeXt/Lua solution would be possible. Without BibTeX this functionality would be missing since no one is willing to implement a parser for .bib databases. If I only had time… Yes, had we but world enough and time… Anyway, Hans began playing with transforming bibtex to xml and loading this. There is no user interface yet, but if you want to see what's possible, have a look at bibl-bib.lua and bibl-tst.lua Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Ctx: list of commands
On Sep 18, 2012, at 2:44 AM, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. l...@pontex.czmailto:l...@pontex.cz wrote: It seems that my question is not so straightforward - I didn't think it would it could be problem to separate public macros (= public ConTeXt commands = these that are cited in manuals, on wiki or simply - which you can use). I haven't been following the answers closely as they seemed to focus on getting ALL commands. So excuse me if this is too naive, but have you looked at the quick reference?: http://pragma-ade.com/general/qrcs/setup-en.pdf I think it does not contain all commands, however, not even all the public ones. But maybe it's a good starting place. It is based on … tex/texmf-context/tex/context/interface/cont-en.xml (There are ones for the other languages, too.) The xml database contains the source file name, too, which helps me sometimes. One could probably develop a quicker reference based on it in the format you asked for. Michael This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Ctx: list of commands
http://pragma-ade.com/general/qrcs/setup-en.pdf … tex/texmf-context/tex/context/interface/cont-en.xml Thanks for the idea. Maybe both sources would be useful somehow but - they don't look up-to-date as e.g. the command \startluacode is not involved in any of both. Persisting question: c:\ConTeXt\tex\texmf-context\scripts\context\lua\mtx-interface.lua And: ... local helpinfo = [[ ... --textpad generate textpad interface files --textcreate text files for commands and environments ... ]] How exactly to use the command/switch --textpad or --text with context.exe? Neither context --text nor context --textpad seems to give anything useful. Best regards, Lukas -- Ing. Lukáš Procházka [mailto:l...@pontex.cz] Pontex s. r. o. [mailto:pon...@pontex.cz] [http://www.pontex.cz] Bezová 1658 147 14 Praha 4 Tel: +420 244 062 238 Fax: +420 244 461 038 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography, unicode strings, @ELECTRONIC, sorting and bibtex
2012-09-18 Schmitz Thomas A. thomas.schm...@uni-bonn.de:
Hi Thomas
On Sep 18, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Marco Patzer home...@lavabit.com wrote:
This doesn't work, either:
\setupbibtex [database=sample]
\setuppublications [alternative=apa, criterium=cite, sorttype=author]
\starttext
\cite[hh2010a]
\cite[Eijkhout1991]
\placepublications
\stoptext
This works for me, I get Eijkhout sorted before Hagen.
I deleted all temp files, but still get “Hagen” before “Eijkhout”.
My test file is attached.
If I only had time…
Yes, had we but world enough and time… Anyway, Hans began playing
with transforming bibtex to xml and loading this. There is no user
interface yet, but if you want to see what's possible, have a look
at bibl-bib.lua and bibl-tst.lua
Thanks, I will have a look.
Marco
@STRING{hh = {Hans Hagen}}
@ELECTRONIC{hh2010,
author = hh,
year = {2010},
title = {Metafun. \CONTEXT\ mkiv},
url = {http://www.pragma-ade.nl/general/manuals/metafun-s.pdf},
}
@ARTICLE{hh2010a,
author = hh,
title = {The Font Name Mess},
journal = {MAPS},
year = {2010},
volume = {40},
pages = {2-8},
keywords = {context},
}
@ARTICLE{hh2010b,
author = hh,
title = {Grouping in Hybrid Environments},
journal = {MAPS},
year = {2010},
volume = {40},
pages = {67-71},
keywords = {context},
}
@BOOK{Eijkhout1991,
title = {\TeX\ by Topic. A \TeX nician's Reference},
publisher = {Addison-Wesley},
year = {1991},
author = {Victor Eijkhout},
address = {London},
keywords = {general},
}
t.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
\setupbibtex [database=sample]
\setuppublications [alternative=apa, criterium=cite, sorttype=author]
\starttext
\cite[hh2010a]
\cite[Eijkhout1991]
\placepublications
\contextversion
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography, unicode strings, @ELECTRONIC, sorting and bibtex
2012-09-18 Philipp Gesang ges...@stud.uni-heidelberg.de: [0] http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg62855.html Thanks for the link. Since I usually don't deal much with different bibliography styles I tend to skip those threads. And BibTeX is used since it understands the semantics of bib files, although a pure ConTeXt/Lua solution would be possible. Without BibTeX this functionality would be missing since no one is willing to implement a parser for .bib databases. Context happens to have such a parser, written in Lua. Probably the best one around: ··· \starttext \startluacode local db = bibtex.new() bibtex.load(db, filename.bib) table.print(db) \stopluacode \stoptext Interesting, I didn't know that. But the values are only parsed, not interpreted. That means the only thing left for BibTeX is to do is to interpret the ugly “author” field? Marco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Ctx: list of commands
On 18-9-2012 15:49, Rogers, Michael K wrote: … tex/texmf-context/tex/context/interface/cont-en.xml indeed it needs updating (some time ago wolfgang started with it but it's a tedious job) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Ctx: list of commands
On 18-9-2012 16:00, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote: http://pragma-ade.com/general/qrcs/setup-en.pdf … tex/texmf-context/tex/context/interface/cont-en.xml Thanks for the idea. Maybe both sources would be useful somehow but - they don't look up-to-date as e.g. the command \startluacode is not involved in any of both. Persisting question: c:\ConTeXt\tex\texmf-context\scripts\context\lua\mtx-interface.lua And: ... local helpinfo = [[ ... --textpad generate textpad interface files --textcreate text files for commands and environments ... ]] How exactly to use the command/switch --textpad or --text with context.exe? Neither context --text nor context --textpad seems to give anything useful. you run mtx script with: mtxrun --script interface -- - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography, unicode strings, @ELECTRONIC, sorting and bibtex
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:41:56 +0200 Schmitz Thomas A. thomas.schm...@uni-bonn.de wrote: On Sep 18, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Marco Patzer home...@lavabit.com wrote: 5) (side question) What is BibTeX used for in ConTeXt? As far as I can see, it reads the .bib database and generates a .bbl file which then is read in by ConTeXt. Why do we need an external tool for this? Why does ConTeXt not read in the .bib database and directly save it as a Lua table? Because nobody has coded that part yet? This may not be as easy as you make it sound because quite a few heuristics go into parsing bibtex files (e.g., look at the way in which bibtex divides names into first name, last name, von-part, jr-part). Over the years, I have read and heard many complaints about bibtex and many announcements that something infinitely better is just around the corner, to be delivered in all its glory real soon now. For the time being, I don't see any real replacement, but I may be wrong. Do not forget that there are many databases and tools that more or less know how to deal with bibtex files. And many web sites can output bibtex data, more or less correctly. Of course, one could also consider using other standards, such as EndNote... but we would not want to do that, would we? Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography, unicode strings, @ELECTRONIC, sorting and bibtex
···date: 2012-09-18, Tuesday···from: Marco Patzer···
2012-09-18 Philipp Gesang ges...@stud.uni-heidelberg.de:
[0] http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg62855.html
Thanks for the link. Since I usually don't deal much with
different bibliography styles I tend to skip those threads.
And BibTeX is used since it understands the semantics of
bib files, although a pure ConTeXt/Lua solution would be possible.
Without BibTeX this functionality would be missing since no one is
willing to implement a parser for .bib databases.
Context happens to have such a parser, written in Lua. Probably
the best one around:
···
\starttext
\startluacode
local db = bibtex.new()
bibtex.load(db, filename.bib)
table.print(db)
\stopluacode
\stoptext
Interesting, I didn't know that. But the values are only parsed, not
interpreted. That means the only thing left for BibTeX is to do is
to interpret the ugly “author” field?
From my bibliography (this assumes authors are separated by
“ and ”; *warning*: ashamingly ugly code ahead):
···
-- adapted from Roberto
-- www.inf.puc-rio.br/~roberto/lpeg.html
function citator.split (s, sep)
if type(sep) == string then
sep = P(sep)
end
local elem = C((1 - sep)^0)
local p = Ct(elem * (sep * elem)^0)
return lpegmatch(p, s)
end
local split = citator.split
-- Return a list of authors' names from a string separated by and.
local _p_spaces = S \n\t\v^1
local _p_and= _p_spaces * Pand * _p_spaces
function citator.get_author_list (rawaut)
if not stringfind(rawaut, and) then return { rawaut } end
return split(rawaut, _p_and)
end
local get_author_list = citator.get_author_list
do
local wl = P{
[1] = words,
left = P{, right = P},
space = P , tabs = S\v\t,
eol = P\n, whitespace = Vspace + Vtabs + Veol,
inbrace = Vleft * (1 - Vright)^1 * Vright,
other = (1 - Vinbrace - Vwhitespace)^1,
elm = Vinbrace + Vother,
words = Ct((Vwhitespace^0 * C(Velm))^0)
}
-- Takes a string and splits it into words, returning a list of words.
function citator.get_word_list(s)
return lpegmatch(wl, s)
end
end
local get_word_list = citator.get_word_list
-- from http://osdir.com/ml/l...@bazar2.conectiva.com.br/2009-12/msg00910.html
do
local space = S \t\v\n
local nospace = 1 - space
local ptrim = space^0 * C((space^0 * nospace^1)^0)
function citator.strip (s)
return lpegmatch(ptrim, s)
end
end
-- Return the formatted author field for one author string.
function citator.reverse_one_author (rawaut, form)
local listaut = get_word_list(rawaut)
local formaut, tmpaut = , {}
if (#listaut 1) then
for i,j in next, listaut do
listaut[i] = citator.strip(j)
end
lastname = listaut[#listaut] .. ,
tableremove(listaut, #listaut)
tmpaut[#tmpaut+1] = lastname
for i,j in next, listaut do tmpaut[#tmpaut+1] = j end
for i,j in next, tmpaut do formaut = formaut .. .. j end
else
formaut = listaut[1]
end
return formaut
end
local reverse_one_author = citator.reverse_one_author
-- Take a string of authors' names rawaut and return a list that is built
-- according to the global citator.cite_inv_author.
-- string ‘resultformat’: if it has the value ‘string’ then the function will
-- return a string instead of a table.
function citator.format_author_list (rawaut, resultformat)
warn(author list, rawaut)
local max= citator.compress_authors -- int, default=3
local authorlist = get_author_list(rawaut)
local cnt = 1
local tmplist = {}
local citestyle = citator.styles[citator.cite_style] or fancy2
local etal = citestyle.cite_etal_string
repeat
if cnt == 1 then
if citator.cite_author_form == allinv or
citator.cite_author_form == firstinv then
tmplist[#tmplist+1] = reverse_one_author(authorlist[cnt])
warn(num: ..cnt, authorlist[cnt])
else -- don’t reverse anything
tmplist[#tmplist+1] = authorlist[cnt]
end
elseif cnt max then
tmplist[#tmplist+1] = etal
break
else
warn(num: ..cnt, authorlist[cnt])
if citator.cite_author_form == allinv then
tmplist[#tmplist+1] = reverse_one_author(authorlist[cnt])
elseif citator.cite_author_form == firstinv then
tmplist[#tmplist+1] = citestyle.cite_author_separator
tmplist[#tmplist+1] = authorlist[cnt]
else
tmplist[#tmplist+1] = citestyle.cite_author_separator
tmplist[#tmplist+1] = authorlist[cnt]
end
end
Re: [NTG-context] Ctx: list of commands
Michael K Rogers wrote:
… tex/texmf-context/tex/context/interface/cont-en.xml
Hans wrote:
indeed it needs updating (some time ago wolfgang started with it but it's a
tedious job)
Hans, have you ever thought about creating a command
\defpublic[#commandname]{...} that works pretty much like
\def\commandname{...}, but also registers the name of the command it
defines to a table somewhere?
You might already have something like it because the tables in
setup-en.pdf look automatically-created, but there is some hint in the
sources that they are based on some (Wolfgang's?) XML file, too.
http://pragma-ade.com/general/qrcs/setup-en.pdf
x-set-*.mkii, .mkiv
Cheers,
Sietse
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
On 18-9-2012 16:00, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote:
http://pragma-ade.com/general/qrcs/setup-en.pdf
… tex/texmf-context/tex/context/interface/cont-en.xml
Thanks for the idea.
Maybe both sources would be useful somehow but - they don't look
up-to-date as e.g. the command \startluacode is not involved in any of
both.
Persisting question:
c:\ConTeXt\tex\texmf-context\scripts\context\lua\mtx-interface.lua
And:
...
local helpinfo = [[
...
--textpad generate textpad interface files
--textcreate text files for commands and environments
...
]]
How exactly to use the command/switch --textpad or --text with
context.exe?
Neither context --text nor context --textpad seems to give anything
useful.
you run mtx script with:
mtxrun --script interface
--
-
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Re: [NTG-context] Ctx: list of commands
On 18-9-2012 18:44, Sietse Brouwer wrote:
Michael K Rogers wrote:
… tex/texmf-context/tex/context/interface/cont-en.xml
Hans wrote:
indeed it needs updating (some time ago wolfgang started with it but it's a
tedious job)
Hans, have you ever thought about creating a command
\defpublic[#commandname]{...} that works pretty much like
\def\commandname{...}, but also registers the name of the command it
defines to a table somewhere?
yes but it does not help much unless the whole argument spec is
included; also, quite some commands are generated so we would still miss
a lot
Hans
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