[NTG-context] Part label and chapter numbers

[jbf]

This is a Mark IV issue rather than LMTX, and while it is almost 
certainly simple enough, I seem to have got myself confused and am not 
getting the results I need. essentially I am dealing with a book that is 
divided into parts and chapter, but the parts need to be called 
'Section' not 'Part', and the Chapter numbers need to be words and 
sequential throughout the book, not restarting at each part/section.


Issue 1:

Parts need to be called 'Section' (Section 1, section 2 etc.). I thought 
I could achieve this with:


\setuphead
  [part]
  [
  placehead=yes,
  bodypartlabel=section,

]

but then I just get the number 1, 2, not Section 1, Section 2

Of  course, if I write bodypartlabel=part, then I do get Part 1, Part 2, 
etc. How do I achieve 'Section' rather than 'Part'?


Issue 2:

While the above 'sections' are numbered in arabic numbers, Chapters are 
meant to be in words. I thought I could do it with


\setuphead
  [chapter]
  [deepnumbercommand=\convertnumber{words}]

but this throws an error. How do I achieve this? I want Chapter One, not 
Chapter 1.1


Issue 3 might already be solved once I resolve Issue 2!

But given that I have parts, the chapters at the moment come out as 
Chapter 1.1... Chapter 2.1 etc. and I simply want Chapter One, Chapter 
Two and so on, sequentially throughout the book. I thought I might be 
able to do it with something like


\setuphead[section-2][bodypartconversion=Characters]

|But that doesn't work. Any thoughts? Julian |

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Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Am 03.01.2021 um 22:24 schrieb Hans Hagen :
> 
> On 1/3/2021 10:02 PM, BPJ wrote:
>> I understand that and it is all well and good. I am wondering if there 
>> already is *another* text which presupposes basic knowledge of TeX and 
>> general knowledge of LaTeX, perhaps in a by-topic style.
> I think this relates to the question how someone comes to tex and then to 
> context. Are tex macro packages used alongside and such? Are there 'from 
> word/office to tex' or reverse manuals? What could be a motivation to write 
> one.

I guess most ConTeXt users migrated from LaTeX at some point, so that guide 
would really make sense. But I can’t write it either, even if I’m also working 
with LaTeX (but just as a user of one special class).

If I run into a problem in LaTeX that I know to solve in ConTeXt, the approach 
is never right.

I think the similarities of LaTeX and ConTeXt are mostly misleading, you’re 
better off trying to forget everything and start anew.

In LaTeX most problems are solved with “use this or that package”, without the 
need to understand the commands and settings involved, while in ConTeXt most 
problems are solved with \setupsomething[somekey=somevalue].

Of course it helps to understand basic TeX stuff – but you’re not supposed to 
use (plain) TeX commands in LaTeX, while it is or was much more usual in 
ConTeXt.

Writing my book I have users of text processors (Word/LibreOffice) and layout 
applications (InDesign etc.) in mind, even if I assume that most readers (if 
I’ll ever publish it...) will come from LaTeX.



> So, one way out could be to have some collection of tips / suggestions and 
> turn that into a kind of manual. Something to do by those who make some 
> transition or use alongside. The wiki is the place start with that.
> 
> So .. up to users.

Yes, and that means: up to users migrating from LaTeX and documenting their 
struggles.

Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] SILE typesetter and other projects

[denis.maier]

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: ntg-context  Im Auftrag von Hans Hagen
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Januar 2021 19:19
> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users ; Jairo A. del Rio
> 
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] SILE typesetter and other projects
> 
[...]

> so my main objective is to modernize this 'good old workhorse tex' because it
> kind of had/has set the standard. And it's kind of fun.
> 
> (It's also why discussions about context versus latex or plain are wasted on
> me: I simply never run into the other systems and/or demands related to
> them, so instead of keeping track I spent non-tex time on reading and
> listening music instead -)

I guess that's a reasonable approach.

Denis
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Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

[Hans Hagen]

On 1/3/2021 10:02 PM, BPJ wrote:
I understand that and it is all well and good. I am wondering if there 
already is *another* text which presupposes basic knowledge of TeX and 
general knowledge of LaTeX, perhaps in a by-topic style.
I think this relates to the question how someone comes to tex and then 
to context. Are tex macro packages used alongside and such? Are there 
'from word/office to tex' or reverse manuals? What could be a motivation 
to write one.


So, one way out could be to have some collection of tips / suggestions 
and turn that into a kind of manual. Something to do by those who make 
some transition or use alongside. The wiki is the place start with that.


So .. up to users.

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] SILE typesetter and other projects

[denis.maier]

Von: ntg-context  Im Auftrag von Andres Conrado 
Montoya
Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Januar 2021 18:19
An: mailing list for ConTeXt users 
Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] SILE typesetter and other projects

Hi Denis.

SILE seems interesting, aslo Patoline. However, I think both of these are very 
immature, and I feel somewhat puzzled by the authors of SILE when they say that 
you can't do grid typesetting on TeX without horrible hacks, blatantly ignoring 
ConTeXt's achievements on the matter.

At least on their FAQ on Github they acknowledge ConTeXt regarding grid 
typesetting: “ConTeXt solves some of it reasonably well, but will not give you 
flowed frame support”


If you want to check an alternative typesetting system, I would tell you to not 
look forward but backwards: groff/troff are alive and well, are very mature, 
and you can find a lot of documentation and tutorials, even a subreddit: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/groff/. I would recommend trying the MOM macros for 
groff: http://www.schaffter.ca/mom/mom-01.html

Thanks, I’ve heard of troff, but I’ve never tried it. I think especially the 
Heirloom Troff implementation looks quite promising.

Denis
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Re: [NTG-context] SILE typesetter and other projects

[denis.maier]

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: ntg-context  Im Auftrag von Henning
> Hraban Ramm
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Januar 2021 14:45
> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users 
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] SILE typesetter and other projects
> 
> Also thank you!
> 
> Patoline is partly LaTeX based, Speedata Publisher uses LuaTeX, and I know
> of troff and XSL/FO.

The interesting thing here is that Patoline and SILE use some TeX-like syntax, 
but the underlying engine is not based on TeX at all. With Speeddata Publisher 
it's the opposite...

Denis

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Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

[denis.maier]

Thanks, Joaquín. This is really amazing.

Denis

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: ntg-context  Im Auftrag von Joaquín
> Ataz López
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Januar 2021 10:45
> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users 
> Betreff: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV
> 
> Hello to all:
> 
> Two months ago I informed to the list that I had written an introduction in
> Spanish to ConTeXt Mark IV. This interested several people, and in order to
> increase their potential audience, a member of this list (native English
> speaker) has proceeded to translate my text into English.
> 
> It is precisely the members of this list who need no introduction at all, but 
> it
> can sometimes be useful to help someone get started with the fascinating
> typesetting system that is ConTeXt.
> 
> As for the English translation, I have made some small changes to the Spanish
> version, so anyone who understands Spanish and prefers to read it in its
> original language can download the new version:
> 
> Both versions are available at the following links
> 
> - Spanish: https://webs.um.es/jal/docs/introCTX_esp.pdf
> 
> - Engilish: https://webs.um.es/jal/docs/introCTX_eng.pdf
> 
> Soon I will send both texts, with their source files, to the documentation
> section of the CTAN repository.
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

[Hans Hagen]

On 1/3/2021 10:11 PM, denis.ma...@ub.unibe.ch wrote:

Well, there's a document called "LaTeX in proper context", but that's from a 
different era and nowhere near exhaustive...

and not that valid any more either i think

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Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

[denis.maier]

Well, there's a document called "LaTeX in proper context", but that's from a 
different era and nowhere near exhaustive...

Von: ntg-context  im Auftrag von BPJ 

Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Januar 2021 22:02:22
An: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

I understand that and it is all well and good. I am wondering if there already 
is *another* text which presupposes basic knowledge of TeX and general 
knowledge of LaTeX, perhaps in a by-topic style.

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Den sön 3 jan. 2021 20:04Joaquín Ataz López mailto:j...@um.es>> 
skrev:

I do not know if I have been able to do this, but although there are some 
references to LaTeX, I have tried to write a totally independent text, which 
does not require knowledge of LaTeX or TeX to be understood.

El 3/1/21 a las 19:42, BPJ escribió:
This is a great resource which I am at the moment enjoying to read but I can't 
help wondering if there is a text aimed at those who already know LaTeX and 
know the basics of TeX describing ConTeXt in terms of differences (and 
similarities) between the two, and in particular the gotchas.

--
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Den sön 3 jan. 2021 10:48Joaquín Ataz López mailto:j...@um.es>> 
skrev:
Hello to all:

Two months ago I informed to the list that I had written an introduction
in Spanish to ConTeXt Mark IV. This interested several people, and in
order to increase their potential audience, a member of this list
(native English speaker) has proceeded to translate my text into English.

It is precisely the members of this list who need no introduction at
all, but it can sometimes be useful to help someone get started with the
fascinating typesetting system that is ConTeXt.

As for the English translation, I have made some small changes to the
Spanish version, so anyone who understands Spanish and prefers to read
it in its original language can download the new version:

Both versions are available at the following links

- Spanish: https://webs.um.es/jal/docs/introCTX_esp.pdf

- Engilish: https://webs.um.es/jal/docs/introCTX_eng.pdf

Soon I will send both texts, with their source files, to the
documentation section of the CTAN repository.


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Derecho Civil
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Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

[BPJ]

I understand that and it is all well and good. I am wondering if there
already is *another* text which presupposes basic knowledge of TeX and
general knowledge of LaTeX, perhaps in a by-topic style.

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Den sön 3 jan. 2021 20:04Joaquín Ataz López  skrev:

> I do not know if I have been able to do this, but although there are some
> references to LaTeX, I have tried to write a totally independent text,
> which does not require knowledge of LaTeX or TeX to be understood.
> El 3/1/21 a las 19:42, BPJ escribió:
>
> This is a great resource which I am at the moment enjoying to read but I
> can't help wondering if there is a text aimed at those who already know
> LaTeX and know the basics of TeX describing ConTeXt in terms of differences
> (and similarities) between the two, and in particular the gotchas.
>
> --
> Better --help|less than helpless
>
> Den sön 3 jan. 2021 10:48Joaquín Ataz López  skrev:
>
>> Hello to all:
>>
>> Two months ago I informed to the list that I had written an introduction
>> in Spanish to ConTeXt Mark IV. This interested several people, and in
>> order to increase their potential audience, a member of this list
>> (native English speaker) has proceeded to translate my text into English.
>>
>> It is precisely the members of this list who need no introduction at
>> all, but it can sometimes be useful to help someone get started with the
>> fascinating typesetting system that is ConTeXt.
>>
>> As for the English translation, I have made some small changes to the
>> Spanish version, so anyone who understands Spanish and prefers to read
>> it in its original language can download the new version:
>>
>> Both versions are available at the following links
>>
>> - Spanish: https://webs.um.es/jal/docs/introCTX_esp.pdf
>>
>> - Engilish: https://webs.um.es/jal/docs/introCTX_eng.pdf
>>
>> Soon I will send both texts, with their source files, to the
>> documentation section of the CTAN repository.
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Derecho Civil
>> Universidad de Murcia
>>
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Re: [NTG-context] metapost graph and ConTeXt LMTX

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Le 3 janv. 2021 à 19:21, Hans Hagen  a écrit :On 1/3/2021 7:12 PM, Jean-Philippe Rey wrote:Dear List,I have used TikZ and pgfplots for a few years and I am considering switching to metapost/metafun which appears more efficient with LMTX. I have already designed several figures with metapost/metafun and some with the help of metaobj and I am fully satisfied with the result.Alan rewrote graph in a more context way ... so, there is the m-grapph.mkiv module (I admit, not tested for a while).Thank you Hans for pointing to this module.I took a look at m-graph.mkiv and wrote the following ==\usemodule[graph]\starttext\startMPcode{graph}draw begingraph(150mm, 100mm);	gdraw "test-mpgraph.txt";	endgraph;\stopMPcode\stoptext==which fails with "error: Improper type" (see attached log file). Maybe I don't understand how to use the graph module.
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Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

[Joaquín Ataz López]

I do not know if I have been able to do this, but although there are 
some references to LaTeX, I have tried to write a totally independent 
text, which does not require knowledge of LaTeX or TeX to be understood.


El 3/1/21 a las 19:42, BPJ escribió:
This is a great resource which I am at the moment enjoying to read but 
I can't help wondering if there is a text aimed at those who already 
know LaTeX and know the basics of TeX describing ConTeXt in terms of 
differences (and similarities) between the two, and in particular the 
gotchas.


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Den sön 3 jan. 2021 10:48Joaquín Ataz López > skrev:


Hello to all:

Two months ago I informed to the list that I had written an
introduction
in Spanish to ConTeXt Mark IV. This interested several people, and in
order to increase their potential audience, a member of this list
(native English speaker) has proceeded to translate my text into
English.

It is precisely the members of this list who need no introduction at
all, but it can sometimes be useful to help someone get started
with the
fascinating typesetting system that is ConTeXt.

As for the English translation, I have made some small changes to the
Spanish version, so anyone who understands Spanish and prefers to
read
it in its original language can download the new version:

Both versions are available at the following links

- Spanish: https://webs.um.es/jal/docs/introCTX_esp.pdf

- Engilish: https://webs.um.es/jal/docs/introCTX_eng.pdf

Soon I will send both texts, with their source files, to the
documentation section of the CTAN repository.


-- 
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Derecho Civil
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Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

[Joaquín Ataz López]

I think the creation of the repository is a good idea and I suggest the 
name "introCTX-MkiV". I could provide the source files (in Spanish and 
English) and eventually clarify any doubt that the various translators 
had about the meaning of the original. It should also be taken into 
account that in the original there are some fragments or examples 
designed for a Spanish cultural field that, outside it, do not make much 
sense. In this regard, the English translation has the merit of adapting 
these fragments (instead of translating them) or deleting them, as the 
case may be.


What I don't think is to coordinate the repository: I have never worked 
on collective projects and I hardly know how github works



El 3/1/21 a las 17:42, Mojca Miklavec escribió:

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 at 15:37, Garulfo wrote:

In oct 2020, a message proposed to create a GitHub/GitLab repository (or
even organization) for this so that anybody can help translating it into
other languages:
https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2020/099789.html

If you want to see it under
 https://github.com/contextgarden/
just propose the repository name and list the usernames for those who
should initially have access.

Mojca
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[NTG-context] upcoming lmtx

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

I'm playing with future font trickery and as a consequence touching some 
low level font code. Now, of course we want to be compatible but it 
might be that I mess up something the process. At some point I'll do a 
more drastic split in the code paths (because when we use these new 
tricks we can drop/bypass some code).


Anyway, one of these days I'll do the usual update so consider this a 
warning (invitation) to make a opy of the current tree so that we can 
see where things differ: for text as well as math. There can eb subtle 
differences due to calculations and rounding in different places (just 
different concepts).


A teaser (mostly for MF whih probably runs the most demanding jobs):

The luametatex manual has 290 pages and loads quite some fonts (half a 
dozen bodyfont setups in order to demo some things with different fonts).


old mechanism: 10.8 sec, 292M lua, 99M tex, 158 instances
new mechanism:  9.5 sec, 149M lua, 35M tex,  30 instances

Where the new mechanmism uses:

  \enableexperiments[fonts.compact]

(not yet in current lmtx).

The new mechanism delays scaling and does it on the fly (which means 
more work for the engine and also means that some of the context font 
and lua magic has to follow). The added code actually makes the old one 
runs a bit slower, so the gain is a bit less than indicated (say, 
between 5-10% runtime on *this* document but definitely the mem saving 
remains).


Of course in practice most documents are not that demanding but we'll 
see. (As mentioned before, it might have some positive impact on cjk 
usage). Also, if we follow this route, some code can be optimized (which 
compared to mkiv, but that is more in the small nmumbers because it is 
already optimized.)


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

[BPJ]

This is a great resource which I am at the moment enjoying to read but I
can't help wondering if there is a text aimed at those who already know
LaTeX and know the basics of TeX describing ConTeXt in terms of differences
(and similarities) between the two, and in particular the gotchas.

-- 
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Den sön 3 jan. 2021 10:48Joaquín Ataz López  skrev:

> Hello to all:
>
> Two months ago I informed to the list that I had written an introduction
> in Spanish to ConTeXt Mark IV. This interested several people, and in
> order to increase their potential audience, a member of this list
> (native English speaker) has proceeded to translate my text into English.
>
> It is precisely the members of this list who need no introduction at
> all, but it can sometimes be useful to help someone get started with the
> fascinating typesetting system that is ConTeXt.
>
> As for the English translation, I have made some small changes to the
> Spanish version, so anyone who understands Spanish and prefers to read
> it in its original language can download the new version:
>
> Both versions are available at the following links
>
> - Spanish: https://webs.um.es/jal/docs/introCTX_esp.pdf
>
> - Engilish: https://webs.um.es/jal/docs/introCTX_eng.pdf
>
> Soon I will send both texts, with their source files, to the
> documentation section of the CTAN repository.
>
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Re: [NTG-context] metapost graph and ConTeXt LMTX

[Hans Hagen]

On 1/3/2021 7:12 PM, Jean-Philippe Rey wrote:

Dear List,

I have used TikZ and pgfplots for a few years and I am considering switching to 
metapost/metafun which appears more efficient with LMTX. I have already 
designed several figures with metapost/metafun and some with the help of 
metaobj and I am fully satisfied with the result.


Alan rewrote graph in a more context way ... so, there is the 
m-grapph.mkiv module (I admit, not tested for a while).


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Re: [NTG-context] SILE typesetter and other projects

[Hans Hagen]

On 1/3/2021 6:26 PM, Jairo A. del Rio wrote:
Probably the false equivalence TeX = LaTeX which is common to see in 
many forums and sites on the web: TeX is said not to be able to do X 
just because LaTeX can't. It's upsetting. groff looks interesting, tho.
FWIW: I never looked into all these system (althouygh i remember reading 
about some postscript related thing decades ago). Just keep in mind that 
'the problem doesn't change' no matter what tools are there .. it's no 
big deal to deal with the 80% but the left over bits often are the 
complication. All this typeseting is very much about perception and 
often playing around and then the question is: what system suits that best.


So there's the issue of interfacing ... I always found the curious tex 
mix interesting (read: if I had to do typesetting and defining styles in 
lua or c of java or html.css ... any such programming language ... i'd 
looked for another hobby long ago). Of course is some project comes 
around that need those approaches and that can pay the bills, I'd pay 
attention to it but till then ... so my main objective is to modernize 
this 'good old workhorse tex' because it kind of had/has set the 
standard. And it's kind of fun.


(It's also why discussions about context versus latex or plain are 
wasted on me: I simply never run into the other systems and/or demands 
related to them, so instead of keeping track I spent non-tex time on 
reading and listening music instead -)


Hans


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[NTG-context] metapost graph and ConTeXt LMTX

[Jean-Philippe Rey]

Dear List,

I have used TikZ and pgfplots for a few years and I am considering switching to 
metapost/metafun which appears more efficient with LMTX. I have already 
designed several figures with metapost/metafun and some with the help of 
metaobj and I am fully satisfied with the result.

I am now trying to draw graphs with the metapost graph module, but I haven't 
been integrated to my ConTeXt LMTX document. The following example works 
perfectly well when compiled directly with metapost (from TeXlive 2020).

= mpost example =
beginfig(1)
input graph

draw begingraph(150mm, 100mm);
gdraw "test-mpgraph.txt";
endgraph;
endfig;
end
=

Here is my demo data file

 test-mpgraph.txt 
0 0
1 1
2 2
3 1
4 3
5 2
6 1
==

I tried the following to draw directly from a ConTeXt document

 LMTX example =
\starttext
\startMPcode
troffmode:=0;
prologues:=0;
input graph

draw begingraph(150mm, 100mm);
gdraw "test-mpgraph.txt";
endgraph;
\stopMPcode
\stoptext
===

I had to define troffmode and prologues, otherwise I get error messages about 
undecidable expressions and now I get an error that I don't understand (see 
attached log file).

I also tried \usemodule[graph] as documented on the wiki 
(https://wiki.contextgarden.net/MPgraph) but without success.

I guess I am doing something wrong. Could someone help me see my error?

Thanks,

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Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

[Hans Hagen]

On 1/3/2021 5:42 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 at 15:37, Garulfo wrote:


In oct 2020, a message proposed to create a GitHub/GitLab repository (or
even organization) for this so that anybody can help translating it into
other languages:
https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2020/099789.html


If you want to see it under
 https://github.com/contextgarden/
just propose the repository name and list the usernames for those who
should initially have access.
also because that would fit well into the plans for a bunch of context 
related repositories


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Re: [NTG-context] SILE typesetter and other projects

[Jairo A. del Rio]

Probably the false equivalence TeX = LaTeX which is common to see in many
forums and sites on the web: TeX is said not to be able to do X just
because LaTeX can't. It's upsetting. groff looks interesting, tho.

Jairo

El dom., 3 de ene. de 2021 12:20 p. m., Andres Conrado Montoya <
andresconr...@gmail.com> escribió:

> Hi Denis.
>
> SILE seems interesting, aslo Patoline. However, I think both of these are
> very immature, and I feel somewhat puzzled by the authors of SILE when they
> say that you can't do grid typesetting on TeX without horrible hacks,
> blatantly ignoring ConTeXt's achievements on the matter.
>
> If you want to check an alternative typesetting system, I would tell you
> to not look forward but backwards: groff/troff are alive and well, are very
> mature, and you can find a lot of documentation and tutorials, even a
> subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/groff/. I would recommend trying the
> MOM macros for groff: http://www.schaffter.ca/mom/mom-01.html
>
> --
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> Andi Kú
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> http://sesentaycuatro.com
> http://messier87.com
> http://chiquitico.org
> 
> Los fines no justifican los medios, porque la medida verdadera de nuestro
> carácter está dada por los medios que estamos dispuestos a utilizar, no por
> los fines que proclamamos.
> 
>
> “You develop an instant global consciousness, a people orientation, an
> intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world, and a compulsion to do
> something about it. From out there on the moon, international politics look
> so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag
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Re: [NTG-context] SILE typesetter and other projects

[Andres Conrado Montoya]

Hi Denis.

SILE seems interesting, aslo Patoline. However, I think both of these are
very immature, and I feel somewhat puzzled by the authors of SILE when they
say that you can't do grid typesetting on TeX without horrible hacks,
blatantly ignoring ConTeXt's achievements on the matter.

If you want to check an alternative typesetting system, I would tell you to
not look forward but backwards: groff/troff are alive and well, are very
mature, and you can find a lot of documentation and tutorials, even a
subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/groff/. I would recommend trying the
MOM macros for groff: http://www.schaffter.ca/mom/mom-01.html

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Andi Kú
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http://messier87.com
http://chiquitico.org

Los fines no justifican los medios, porque la medida verdadera de nuestro
carácter está dada por los medios que estamos dispuestos a utilizar, no por
los fines que proclamamos.


“You develop an instant global consciousness, a people orientation, an
intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world, and a compulsion to do
something about it. From out there on the moon, international politics look
so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag
him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a
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Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 at 15:37, Garulfo wrote:
>
> In oct 2020, a message proposed to create a GitHub/GitLab repository (or
> even organization) for this so that anybody can help translating it into
> other languages:
> https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2020/099789.html

If you want to see it under
https://github.com/contextgarden/
just propose the repository name and list the usernames for those who
should initially have access.

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Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

[Garulfo]

@Joaquín + english translator : many thanks for this great and useful 
contribution to ConTeXt community dev. Impressive.


Being interested into contributing to a french version, what would be 
your prefered way ?


In oct 2020, a message proposed to create a GitHub/GitLab repository (or 
even organization) for this so that anybody can help translating it into 
other languages:

https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2020/099789.html




Le 03/01/2021 à 11:32, Saša Janiška a écrit :

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 10:45:00 +0100
Joaquín Ataz López  wrote:

Hiya Joaquín,


It is precisely the members of this list who need no introduction at
all, but it can sometimes be useful to help someone get started with
the fascinating typesetting system that is ConTeXt.


Well, I'm the one who (desperately) need it and I'm delighted. :-D

Thanks a lot for providing such a wonderful "introduction" popularizing 
ConTeXt!!


Sincerely,
Gour



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Re: [NTG-context] SILE typesetter and other projects

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Also thank you!

Patoline is partly LaTeX based, Speedata Publisher uses LuaTeX, and I know of 
troff and XSL/FO.

I’d be interested to hear about experiences with other code based typesetting 
engines (besides ConTeXt and LaTeX), since I used LinoSetting and 3B2 in 
earlier days.

A healthy and happy new year!
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Re: [NTG-context] Bib support broken in lmtx

[Hans Hagen]

On 1/3/2021 1:30 PM, Philipp A. wrote:

So, where do I go with this?

Can nobody reproduce it? Should I submit it to the bug tracker? How can 
I help to get this resolved?

wasn't this answered already?

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Re: [NTG-context] SILE typesetter and other projects

[Rudolf Bahr]

Am Sat, Jan 02, 2021 at 10:17:18AM + schrieb denis.ma...@ub.unibe.ch:
> Hi
> I just came across the SILE typesetter (https://sile-typesetter.org), which 
> looks quite interesting and somehow similar to ConTeXt in some ways (e.g. 
> lua), apart from the fact that it does not use TeX at all. ;-) Another 
> project seems to be Patoline. Just out of curiosity: Has anyone some 
> experience with these tools?
> Best
> Denis


Hello Denis,

thank you for this interesting link "SILE"!

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Re: [NTG-context] Text editor support via Digestif

[Augusto Stoffel]

You would set DIGESTIF_TEXMF to the (list of) directory(ies) containing 
the ls-R file(s).


However, I gather from Hans's comment that lmtx does not have the ls-R 
files. So something lmtx-specific has to be added to Digestif.


Best,
Augusto

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 11:21, Saša Janiška  wrote:

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 19:58:06 +0100
Augusto Stoffel  wrote:


 I have only tested it with TeXLive. But if lmtx provides a lua
 interpreter with kpathsea bindings, like the usual texlua, then it
 will surely work.


OK.


 If that's not the case and you installed lmtx in a
 nonstandard location,


I've installed it into ~/opt/lmtx and context-en.xml is at

opt/lmtx/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/interface/mkiv/context-en.xml


 you will need to set an environment variable to
 specify the location of the interface XML files.


Which variable should be set?


Sincerely,
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Re: [NTG-context] Bib support broken in lmtx

[Philipp A.]

So, where do I go with this?

Can nobody reproduce it? Should I submit it to the bug tracker? How can I
help to get this resolved?

Am Sa., 26. Dez. 2020 um 11:29 Uhr schrieb Philipp A. :

> Thank you, but whitespace is ignored in .bib file syntax. To prove that
> whitespace handling isn’t the bug, just try accessing it:
>
> \startluacode
> local current = publications.datasets.default
> tex.print('\\starttyping')
> tex.print(table.serialize(current.luadata))
> -- to show that the key doesn’t contain weird invisible characters, I’ll
> type it here:
> tex.print(table.serialize(current.luadata.angerer2016))
> tex.print('\\stoptyping')
> \stopluacode
>
> will display:
>
> t={
>   ["angerer2016"]={
> ["author"]="Angerer...",
> ["category"]="article",
> ...
>   },
> }
> t={
>   ["author"]="Angerer...",
>   ["category"]="article",
>   ...
> }
>
> *Another thing*: Uncommenting the \placelistofpublications makes it work,
> but not in my real document. I didn’t go through the trouble of reproducing
> when *that* stops working, as I think the root cause can probably be
> found with my minimal example.
>
> Best, Phil
>
> Am Fr., 25. Dez. 2020 um 19:24 Uhr schrieb :
>
>> Don't know if that's related, but you should probably removethe space
>> before the key in your bibfile.
>> 
>> Von: ntg-context  im Auftrag von Philipp A. <
>> flying-sh...@web.de>
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Dezember 2020 18:36:33
>> An: ConTeXt Mailing List
>> Betreff: [NTG-context] Bib support broken in lmtx
>>
>> Hi! A pretty minimal document using a bibliography is broken for me:
>>
>> test.lmtx:
>> \enableregime[utf-8]
>> \mainlanguage[en]
>>
>> \usebtxdataset[default][test.bib]
>> \setupbtx[dataset=default]
>> \usebtxdefinitions[apa]
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \cite[authoryear][angerer2016]
>>
>> %\placelistofpublications[default][method=dataset]
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>> test.bib:
>> @Article{ angerer2016,
>> author = {Angerer, Philipp and Haghverdi, Laleh and B{\"{u}}ttner, Maren
>> and Theis, Fabian J and Marr, Carsten and Buettner, Florian},
>> doi = {10.1093/bioinformatics/btv715},
>> issn = {14602059},
>> journal = {Bioinformatics},
>> language = {en},
>> number = {8},
>> pages = {1241--1243},
>> title = {{Destiny: Diffusion maps for large-scale single-cell data in R}},
>> url = {
>> http://bioinformatics.oxfordjournals.org/lookup/doi/10.1093/bioinformatics/btv715
>> files/103/Angerer et al. - 2016 - destiny diffusion maps for large-scale
>> single-cel.pdf},
>> volume = {32},
>> year = {2016}
>> }
>>
>> This log occurs:
>>
>> ❯ context test.lmtx
>> resolvers   | formats | executing runner 'run luametatex format':
>> ~/Library/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/luametatex --jobname="test"
>> --fmt=~/Library/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.fmt
>> --lua=~/Library/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.lui
>> --c:currentrun=1 --c:fulljobname="./test.lmtx" --c:input="./test.lmtx"
>> --c:kindofrun=1 --c:maxnofruns=9
>> --c:texmfbinpath="~/Library/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin"
>> system  >
>> system  > ConTeXt  ver: 2020.12.24 17:30 LMTX  fmt: 2020.12.25
>> int: english/english
>> system  >
>> system  > 'cont-new.mkxl' loaded
>> open source > level 1, order 1, name
>> '~/Library/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl'
>> system  > beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.mkiv
>> close source> level 1, order 1, name
>> '~/Library/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/cont-new.mkxl'
>> system  > files > jobname 'test', input './test.lmtx', result
>> 'test'
>> fonts   > latin modern fonts are not preloaded
>> languages   > language 'en' is active
>> open source > level 1, order 2, name './test.lmtx'
>> publications> adding bib data to set 'default' from source 'test.bib'
>> open source > level 2, order 3, name
>> ~/Library/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/publ-imp-apa.mkvi'
>> close source> level 2, order 3, name
>> '~/Library/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/publ-imp-apa.mkvi'
>> fonts   > preloading latin modern fonts (second stage)
>> fonts   > 'fallback modern-designsize rm 12pt' is loaded
>> publications> analyzing previous publication run for 'default'
>> publications> no entry 'angerer2016' found in dataset 'default'
>> backend > xmp > using file
>> '~/Library/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/lpdf-pdx.xml'
>> pages   > flushing realpage 1, userpage 1, subpage 1
>> close source> level 1, order 3, name './test.lmtx'
>>
>> mkiv lua stats  > used config file:
>> selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua
>> mkiv lua stats  > used cache path:
>> ~/Library/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e
>> mkiv lua stats  > resource 

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

[Alain Delmotte]

  
  
Thanks Joaquín!
I tried the spanish version but it was
too hard.
Best wishes to all for 2021!
Alain
Le 3/01/2021 à 10:45, Joaquín Ataz
  López a écrit :

Hello to
  all:
  
  
  Two months ago I informed to the list that I had written an
  introduction in Spanish to ConTeXt Mark IV. This interested
  several people, and in order to increase their potential audience,
  a member of this list (native English speaker) has proceeded to
  translate my text into English.
  
  
  It is precisely the members of this list who need no introduction
  at all, but it can sometimes be useful to help someone get started
  with the fascinating typesetting system that is ConTeXt.
  
  
  As for the English translation, I have made some small changes to
  the Spanish version, so anyone who understands Spanish and prefers
  to read it in its original language can download the new version:
  
  
  Both versions are available at the following links
  
  
  - Spanish: https://webs.um.es/jal/docs/introCTX_esp.pdf
  
  
  - Engilish: https://webs.um.es/jal/docs/introCTX_eng.pdf
  
  
  Soon I will send both texts, with their source files, to the
  documentation section of the CTAN repository.
  
  
  

  


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Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

[Saša Janiška]

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 10:45:00 +0100
Joaquín Ataz López  wrote:

Hiya Joaquín,

> It is precisely the members of this list who need no introduction at 
> all, but it can sometimes be useful to help someone get started with
> the fascinating typesetting system that is ConTeXt.

Well, I'm the one who (desperately) need it and I'm delighted. :-D

Thanks a lot for providing such a wonderful "introduction" popularizing 
ConTeXt!!


Sincerely,
Gour


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Re: [NTG-context] Text editor support via Digestif

[Saša Janiška]

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 19:58:06 +0100
Augusto Stoffel  wrote:

> I have only tested it with TeXLive. But if lmtx provides a lua
> interpreter with kpathsea bindings, like the usual texlua, then it
> will surely work. 

OK.

> If that's not the case and you installed lmtx in a
> nonstandard location, 

I've installed it into ~/opt/lmtx and context-en.xml is at

opt/lmtx/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/interface/mkiv/context-en.xml

> you will need to set an environment variable to
> specify the location of the interface XML files.

Which variable should be set?


Sincerely,
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[NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

[Joaquín Ataz López]

Hello to all:

Two months ago I informed to the list that I had written an introduction 
in Spanish to ConTeXt Mark IV. This interested several people, and in 
order to increase their potential audience, a member of this list 
(native English speaker) has proceeded to translate my text into English.


It is precisely the members of this list who need no introduction at 
all, but it can sometimes be useful to help someone get started with the 
fascinating typesetting system that is ConTeXt.


As for the English translation, I have made some small changes to the 
Spanish version, so anyone who understands Spanish and prefers to read 
it in its original language can download the new version:


Both versions are available at the following links

- Spanish: https://webs.um.es/jal/docs/introCTX_esp.pdf

- Engilish: https://webs.um.es/jal/docs/introCTX_eng.pdf

Soon I will send both texts, with their source files, to the 
documentation section of the CTAN repository.



--
Joaquín Ataz López
Derecho Civil
Universidad de Murcia

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