[NTG-context] authoring for web and print - suggestions

2013-05-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Dear all,

this time I have a question not concerning how to ship ConTeXt in Debian
or so, but very different.

Does anyone have experience with authoring for web and print. I.e.,
we want to maintain only one format and generate both web pages and
printed documentation from it. Is there intrinsic or through addons
support in ConteXt for this?

Any suggestion would be greatly welcome

Norbert


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Re: [NTG-context] Bug#606656: MTXrun | resolvers: warning: no lua configuration files found

2011-06-30 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mo, 27 Jun 2011, Stappers wrote:
 The page at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Debian_installation is updated.

Can someone please update this wiki page?

The new package
context-modules
is now in Debian unstable. So people should install
context context-modules
and if they want
context-nonfree context-doc-nonfree
(the last two might be horrible out of date, sorry)

By now MarkIV is not fully integrated, mtxrun --generate is not run
automatically, but I want to add this in future to the tex-common
trigger action of mktexlsr.

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Re: [NTG-context] Bug#606656: MTXrun | resolvers: warning: no lua configuration files found

2011-06-27 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mo, 27 Jun 2011, Stappers wrote:
 There is again a working ConTeXt in Debian.
 
 The page at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Debian_installation is updated.

Not quite correct:
- currently context and context-non-free are in conflict, both ship 
  koeieletters.map, will be fixed soon with a new version of context

- I am uploading a new package 
context-modules
  now that should ship all the context modules that are in TeX Live
  but notex-zh-cn and top-ten since we don't have license statements
  for them.

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Re: [NTG-context] Bug#606656: MTXrun | resolvers: warning: no lua configuration files found

2011-06-25 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mi, 15 Jun 2011, Stappers wrote:
  MTXrun | resolvers: warning: no lua configuration files found

I just uploaded a new version to Debian that should fix that.
context 2011.05.18.20110626-1


Please run mtxrun --generate once as root, and then as user, too.

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt licensing

2011-03-02 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mi, 02 Mär 2011, Martin Schröder wrote:
 *On topic* I'd also _very_ much like to see what's up with ConTeXt licensing.
 From what it seems it looks like TeX Live is relicensing ConTeXt in its

??? How do you come to that conclusion?

TeX Live is *NOT* relicensing *anything*. THe REDAME and COPYRIGHT clearly
states that the files have different licenses.

Please be more specific when you state things like that.

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt does not execute MetaPost (in debian experimental)

2011-01-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Mojca,

On Di, 11 Jan 2011, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
  2010.07.30, according to http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=context
 
 In that case one should better run mtxrun instead of luatools (they
 are equivalent at the moment, but luatools is becomming obsolete).

Ahhh ... I guess that needs some divine inspiration to know ...

 And yes, texmfcnf.lua should be carefully designed to match the
 structure of texmf trees in debian.

Of course, looking into it I graasped that now.

Why on earth can mtxrun not simply load the main texmf.cnf like
any other program in the TeX world and initialize the values from 
there I ask myself.

I am slowly giving up on ConTeXt. It is changing in arbitrary directions
far too often, and still things like multi-user support are not
here since ages. I know, it is primary Hans' system and it has to
work primarily on his computer, but that means that distributing
it within any distribution system is plain pain :-(

All that of course relates only to MkIV. I guess I will just add
one sentence to the README.Debian:
MkIV is not suppored on Debian. If you know how to set it
up you can do it yourself and educate the maintainer,
otherwise simply use MkII or the ConTeXt minimals.
Sad but true.

All the best

Norbert

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt does not execute MetaPost (in debian experimental)

2011-01-10 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Aditya, hi all,

On Mo, 10 Jan 2011, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 Assuming that Norbert packaged ConTeXt package in debian testing, I am  
 CCing this message to him.

So it seems that current Context has changed something, anyone can help
me here?

Up to now I did:
export TEXMFCNF=/usr/share/texmf/web2c
luatools --generate --verbose
after which everything was working.

Now I get:
[~] luatools --generate --verbose

MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'SELFAUTOLOC' set to '/usr/bin'
MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'SELFAUTODIR' set to '/usr'
MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'SELFAUTOPARENT' set to '.'
MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'TEXMFCNF' set to '/usr/share/texmf/web2c'
MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'TEXMF' set to ''
MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'TEXOS' set to '/usr'
MTXrun | resolvers
MTXrun | resolvers: warning: no lua configuration files found
MTXrun | resolvers
MTXrun | forcing cache reload
MTXrun | resolvers: warning: no lua configuration files found
MTXrun | resolvers
MTXrun | resolvers
MTXrun | the resolver databases are not present or outdated
MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua'
MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua'
MTXrun | resolvers: remembering file 'mtx-base.lua'
MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua'
MTXrun | unknown script 'base.lua' or 'mtx-base.lua'

BTW, why does this mtxrun not *SAY* what file it is searching for???
Just
warning: no lua configuration files found
is as useful as ... welll ... I stop here.


In /usr/share/texmf/web2c/ there is a contextcnf.lua which looks like:
return {

type= configuration,
version = 1.0.2,
date= 2010-06-07,
time= 14:49:00,
comment = ConTeXt MkIV configuration file,


Is there something missing?

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Re: [NTG-context] (forw) Re: Fwd: Debian_installation - repositories not found

2010-08-19 Thread Norbert Preining
On Do, 19 Aug 2010, John Magolske wrote:
  Ah, yes, lmodern and context packages are gone. Don't remember why, but
  I assume because there were no differences anymore and people could
  simply install the versions from Debian/stable ...
  
  John, what are you running (Debian release) and what do you want to install?
 
 I'm running Debian unstable, and would like to install a somewhat

For Debian/unstable you do NOT need *ANY* of those. Everything is
in Debian unstable and testing!!

These things are only for *oldstable*!!! Not even current *stable* 
needs them!

 listed in http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Debian_installation would
 accomplish this. I'm also considering installing the minimals

Just do
apt-get install context
should be enough. But that is not the most recent context, I haven't
found time for packaging a more current version for now. I hope
that I can manage it in the next weeks.

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Re: [NTG-context] Fwd: Debian_installation - repositories not found

2010-08-18 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Mojca, hi everyone,

On Mi, 18 Aug 2010, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
     # for texlive
     deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ tl2007/
     deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ src/

That is fine.

     Err http://people.debian.org lmodern/ Packages
       404  Not Found [IP: 206.12.19.5 80]
     Err http://people.debian.org lmodern/ Sources
       404  Not Found [IP: 206.12.19.5 80]
     Err http://people.debian.org context/ Packages
       404  Not Found [IP: 206.12.19.5 80]
     Err http://people.debian.org context/ Sources
       404  Not Found [IP: 206.12.19.5 80]

Ah, yes, lmodern and context packages are gone. Don't remember why, but
I assume because there were no differences anymore and people could
simply install the versions from Debian/stable ...

John, what are you running (Debian release) and what do you want to install?

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[NTG-context] Debian luatex and context

2008-04-18 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fr, 18 Apr 2008, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 I have just uploaded the archives for luatex 0.25.3, yet

On Fr, 18 Apr 2008, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 Hot on the heels of the luatex 0.25.3 release Hans has released
 (yet another) new context current (the sixth or seventh this week).


Debian packages:

context (for sid and etch):
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/

luatex for sid
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex-sid/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex-sid/

luatex for etch
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex/

Please give it a test try. After some more tests I will upload the stuff
to sid and sid users will get by normal operation.

I tried this combination with my test cases and context/luatex according
to README.MarkIV in the Debian package.


Next release of TeX Live packages will PROBABLY contain updates to
xetex/xdvipdfmx.

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-17 Thread Norbert Preining
On Do, 17 Apr 2008, Will Robertson wrote:
 Sorry, I didn't know how you went about actually creating this package.

The packages are created from the actual TeX Live release, or better
from the security branch of the subversion repository, the tag 2007.1 or
how it is called.

 It sounds like it would be easiest to stick with the official releases  
 of TeXLive, despite the long-ish lag-time.

Well yes and no. If the changes are not too invasive we can do it, but
you remember what I said ... ;-)

The problem is when lenny gets stable there will be *no* changes besides
security changes. We will not have the chance to get fixes for stupid
bugs that creeped in into lenny.

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-17 Thread Norbert Preining
On Do, 17 Apr 2008, Jonathan Kew wrote:
 If I do this, and create a tag 2007.1 in TL with the updated
 branch2007 version, are you able to use this as the base for your

Of course, that would be great. And if you want to be nice to me, too,
send me a simple diff (svn diff output) of what you did and I am
settled.

 package? I presume you don't use the actual binaries from TL Master/

No, of course not.

 bin anyway, so what matters is what we have in the source tree.

Right.

Big thanks a lot.

That leaves the changes to euenc, fontspec, xltx..., ??? TO do or not
to?

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all,

On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Release_Note
 
 for everything we did change and patch in the past 24 hours.
 If nothing bad happens, this release will go to CTAN (and
 debian, I presume) sometime tomorrow.


Preliminary packages are available at the usual location
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
Please give it a try.

I made tests and it passed all context/pdftex tests and the simple
context/luatex I am using.


Taco/Hans: Do you require the newest lmodern with the change of font
names in this context version? Debian currently has 1.010x.

This is important because we have to make a concerted action in case the
deps are on the new lmodern.

Thanks and all the best

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Hans Hagen wrote:
 indeed we need the latest although in the luatex version there is a kind 
 of fallback name subsystem,

Aehm what does this mean??? So either you need it, or there is a
fallback system ... semantics are sometimes dangerous ;-)

So if we ship the old or the new one there is no problem with the one or
the other?

 thanks for your prompt package building

No problem, there are normally not many things to do but running the
tests.

But I still hope that some Debian ConTeXt user could check that
everything works as expected etc etc.

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Hans Hagen wrote:
 well, it may work with the old fonts (depends on how old), in 
 font-syn.tex  you will find

Well it is the last release before the renaming of the fonts, as I said
1.01x.

 etc. so older fonts are ok for context/luatex; while for xetex new fonts 
 are needed.
 
 So if we ship the old or the new one there is no problem with the one or
 the other?
 
 not for luatex/context

Huuu ... above you say

   so older fonts are ok for context/luatex; while for xetex new fonts
are needed

and then

   not for luatex/context


So I assume the situation is as follows:

- for context/luatex: ok with old and new ones
- for context/xetex: new ones are necessary

Ok, I will think about updating the lmodern fonts, too, but renaming the
font names is really a pain, you shouldn't do that after a 1.something
release. No idea why they did that.

Thanks for the information

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Norbert Preining wrote:
 - for context/luatex: ok with old and new ones
 - for context/xetex: new ones are necessary
 
 Ok, I will think about updating the lmodern fonts, too, but renaming the

Hmm, according to Ralf updating the lmodern is a no-go because that
would need euenc/fontspec updates, which would need ... devilish.
(See bugs.debian.org/469437)

I guess we have to live with this for lenny. And for the next we will
have TL2008 with new xetex/luatex and can ship new context and fonts.

Or do you have another suggestion???

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mi, 16 Apr 2008, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
 For XeLaTeX you indeed need to update fontspec, but if you're
 reluctant to upgrade the rest of XeTeX, a fix of fontspec to support
 the latest LM fonts is so minor, that it's really not worth having a
 broken ConTeXt+XeTeX. fontspec might need only a few name fixes,
 that's all.

Give me a patch and I will see whether it is so minor.

 Debian, but a humble request from my side - please do upgrade LM.

There are people using xetex without context, and I don't want to break
anything for them. context/luatex and context/xetex are more
experimental (or at least I consider them that way).

I need to see the necessary changes before I can discuss that.

Jonathan, Will: It is about TeX Live 2007 in Debian/lenny. There will be
no TL2008 in lenny. But we have recent context and recent luatex.

It is about updating the lmodern fonts, currently we have 1.01x, the
last before the otf and font names were renamed.

What changes would be necessary for fontspec and/or euenc and/or xetex
so that we don't break everything, and have a working:
xetex
context/xetex

Thanks for any enlightening comments!!

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Norbert Preining
On Do, 17 Apr 2008, Jonathan Kew wrote:
 If you're willing to consider this, I can make and tag a branch in  
 our Subversion repository to give you a stable version to use (you'll  

I am considering that, and (but) best would be to have a patch against
the sources in TeX Live 2007 (the bug fix branch I mean).

Is there a chance to get such a patch?

And we should at the same time update the necessary packages (is euenc
and fontspec enough?)

So, yes, I am consider that.

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] New context release

2008-04-16 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Will,

On Do, 17 Apr 2008, Will Robertson wrote:
 All other XeTeX+LaTeX packages are unaffected and you should use the  
 latest versions from the SVN repository. If you need me to upload the  

Umpf, I don't like to package stuff that is in some svn repository for a
stable release, stuff that hasn't seen at least a decent amount of
testing.

Honestly, I fear to open a pandora's box here. We are now at a level
that I would have to:
- patch xetex and probably xdvipdfmx
- patch several tex packages
- update the lmodern fonts

And I am not sure that all this will *not* affect anything else in
TeX Live 2007!?!?

Furthermore, to be honest, I currently have not the time to prepare such
a big thing.

If one wants to step in and make a patch please grab

http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/src/texlive-bin_2007.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz
and send a patch against it. It contains fontspec, euenc, and xltxtra.

Receiving this patch I can (re)consider the whole thing.

Sorry, but I have my time constraints, final theoretical mountain guide
exam, upstream TeX Live work, and a real life ;-


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Re: [NTG-context] [Dev-luatex] luatex and context for Debian

2008-01-06 Thread Norbert Preining
On So, 06 Jan 2008, Joel C. Salomon wrote:
 Running Ubuntu Hardy alpha 2, reloading package lists reports:
 
 W: GPG error: http://people.debian.org context/ Release: The following
 signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
 available: NO_PUBKEY D2BF4AA309C5B094

Not surprising. Either get my key from the Debian Developers key ring or
from any key server. Fingerprints are in all my emails and on my web
page there are fingerprint and the key.

man apt-key ...

Something like
  wget -O - http://www.logic.at/people/preining/dsa.asc | apt-get add -
(as root) could help. (Without any guarantee)

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[NTG-context] luatex and context for Debian

2007-12-23 Thread Norbert Preining
Dear all,

I have updated luatex and context so currently I can even run MkIV
documents ;-)

Debian/sid users should have them already.

Debian/etch users should get luatex 0.20.2-1 from
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex/
Currently I have only i386 packages, but will build amd64 for etch soon.
And maybe powerpc builds can be organized.

For context 2007.12.18-1 please add
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/

Just for completeness, it is good to have:
texlive:
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ tl2007/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ src/

latin modern:
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ lmodern/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ lmodern/


For Ubuntu users of the development version (i.e., that tracking sid
more or less) luatex can be found at
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex-sid/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex-sid/

Please comment if you find something missing.

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Re: [NTG-context] [Dev-luatex] beta 0.20.1 released

2007-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Aditya,

On Mo, 10 Dez 2007, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 Ubuntu gusty ships with libpoppler 0.6.2.1. However, I do not get any 
 suggested updates because I am using amd64 architecture, and I see that 

Ok, for you
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex-sid/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex-sid/

I will upload amd64 as soon as I can build them. In the meantime you can
do:

- add the above to /etc/apt/sources
- aptitude update
- apt-get source luatex
- cd luatex-0.20.1
- dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot -b
- cd ..
- dpkg -i luatex*.deb

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Re: [NTG-context] [Dev-luatex] beta 0.20.1 released

2007-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
On Di, 11 Dez 2007, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 Thank you. I needed to install a few packages (libpoppler-dev, quilt, 
 fakeroot), and after that everything compiled correctly.

Not surprising ;-)

 What is required for building a .deb file for amd64 for distribution. Can 
 the luatex_0.20.1-1_amd64.deb that I built by the above process be used on 

Yes. You can send it to other Hardy users, or put it up somewhere. I
will build an amd64 version for Debian/sid

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Re: [NTG-context] [Dev-luatex] beta 0.20.1 released

2007-12-10 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fr, 07 Dez 2007, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 I have just uploaded the archives for luatex 0.20.1. This

Debian sid users will get 0.20.1 soon by normal update.
Debian etch users can add
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex/

This release of luatex for Debian ships an improved texdoc written in
texlua by Frank Küster. Please report any strange things to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks Taco!

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Re: [NTG-context] [Dev-luatex] beta 0.20.1 released

2007-12-10 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mo, 10 Dez 2007, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
  deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex/
  deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex/
 
 This release of luatex for Debian ships an improved texdoc written in
 texlua by Frank Küster. Please report any strange things to
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Excuse my ignorance, but is it safe to use these sources for ubuntu gusty 
 as well?

Safe for sure, but you have to check whether it compiles. It depends on
the version of libpoppler present in Ubuntu Gutsy.

For libpoppler 0.4.X (X = 8) take the etch variant
For libpoppler 0.4.9 or 0.5.X you have to unpack the source package,
change the debian/patches/series file to list the
libpoppler-0.5 patch and comment the libpoppler-0.4 and -0.6
For libpoppler 0.6.X take the sid variant (available at the same
location as the etch variant but with terminal
luatex-sid
instead of luatex)

Sorry for being of not so much help, but I don't have a gutsy around and
I never could find out which versions of Ubuntu ship which versions of
libraries.

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Re: [NTG-context] Fatal format file error; I'm stymied

2007-11-05 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Hans, hi all!

(Don't see Ernesto's email adr, so to the list, Hans in case please
forward it to him)

On Fr, 02 Nov 2007, Hans Hagen wrote:
 I recently upgraded my operating system to Ubuntu 7.10 (on an AMD64 
 machine) and got the TeXLive and ConTeXt packages from the Ubuntu 
 repositories.  I tried compiling a very simple document:

Did you upgrade from an older version?

 Clearly something is not working properly and I suspect the 
 incompatibility between This is pdfTeXk...
 and
---! cont-en.fmt was written by pdfetex 
 is the source of all trouble here.

pdfetex with TeXLIve 2007, NO!

Can you tell us the LOCATION of cont-en.fmt? Probably there are left
overs in
/var/lib/texmf/web2c/*.fmt
Delete all of them, then call dpkg-reconfigure context

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] Call for test documents

2007-10-03 Thread Norbert Preining
On Di, 02 Okt 2007, Hans Hagen wrote:
 http://context.aanhet.net/svn/manuals/

Is there svn access? I have a checkout (very old) but the svn address
has changed.

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Re: [NTG-context] [dev-context] integrating context mkiv, luatex, and fmtutil, mktexlsr, etc

2007-10-03 Thread Norbert Preining
HI Hans!

On Mi, 03 Okt 2007, Hans Hagen wrote:
 database for luatex. But it is placed NOT alongside the ls-R files,
 right?
 
 well, TEXMFSHARECACHE=yes makes sure that it is put in the same path 
 as the ls-r file

Ah, ok, that is with the new context you created today. No, didn't test
this till now ;-) First I guess I need an updated luatex you said.

 no, not the trees, but if one uses a font, say lmroman10-regular.otf, 
 then the 'converterd/prepared/whatever' datatable is cached so only that 
 file ends up in the cache (flat structure, so, when one needs 
 lmroman10-regular.otf, i first look in the cache (no database needed) 
 for a tmc/a file, if not present i generate one, using the otf file from 
 the normal tree, looked up in a kpse like way)
[...]
 - preprocessed font data cache so that loading the stuff is done faster
 
 indeed, only at runtime, so normally in the users path someplace

Hmm, I still don't get it. In all this processing, is there a job
depending thing contained? I thought extracting all those tables etc can
be done independently of all jobs (and will help all jobs).

Anyway, I got it. So this is not a bad thing at all to have this stuff
generated at job running time, so we (integrators) don't have to worry
about it.

Only finding all the files is important for a start, so ls-R
replacement.


 $ ls -l ~/luatex-cache/context/f7d1b3c25487ab1e1035aff1c53b90da/formats/
 -rw-r--r-- 1 norbert norbert 5669003 2007-10-03 14:07 cont-en.fmt
 -rw-r--r-- 1 norbert norbert   38786 2007-10-03 14:07 cont-en.log
 -rw-r--r-- 1 norbert norbert  159484 2007-10-03 14:07 cont-en.lua
 -rw-r--r-- 1 norbert norbert  112438 2007-10-03 14:07 cont-en.luc
 $
 
 So the format is placed in some strange ;-) place under luatex-cache.
 
 hm, also with the new version and the env var set? here it nicely goes 
 to texmf-linux/web2c/luatex

Probably an instance of get the new beta, btw, where do I get it, from
the usual download place? Or is there something else for betas?

 - formats??? what is saved for this
 
 a cont-en.fmt as well as a cont-en.luc file, the format and it sstub

Yes of course, but what needs to be cached here but the sole information
that the file exist? (ie updating ls-R/cache)

 But all of this is somehow static. On a normal system a normal user
 shouldn't have the necessity to change anything of the above. That
 should be done at install time of the respective stuff.
 
 no, the font cache is not pregenerated at all, think of it like this:
 
 - luatex loads otf font (takes time)
 - provides it as table to mkiv (takes more time)
 - mkiv adds a few things, preprocesses the font a bit
 - then saves it as table (compiled) so that loading goes in an eyeblink

Ok, so after the first processing later jobs will have access to these
tables in a blink. Ok, don't mind. Good for me ;-) No need to worry
about this.

 Furthermore, the cache could be used (no idea whether this is true) for:
 - single job caching of data
  wouldn't it be better to keep generated files like this in the
  cwd, like .aux, etc files
 
 we're talking of megabytes here

Are these megabytes kept and are they useful for later runs? If yes,
then it is ok to put them in a separate cache (I assume the stuff is
useful, it is the font stuff).

 What was the reason to do the hashing somewhere else but add the md5sums
 etc for these trees?
 
 lengths of paths and such; i run luatex on the unix web/etc servers and 
 have multiple trees in parallel, so now i can with one variable changed 
 access all data;
 
 /temp/luatex/context/treeroot/whatever
 
 
 /temp/luatex/context/c:/blabla/tex/blabla/whatever
 
 
 does not work that well, so i hash the treeroot

Hmm, but if the caches would be in TEXMFTREE/lcache/ then the only thing
necessary would be a change of
TEXMFCNF
referencing other trees.

(Sorry, only trying to understand the details ...)

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[NTG-context] Call for test documents

2007-10-02 Thread Norbert Preining
Dear all,

I am currently testing the installation of ConTeXt/MkIV on Debian and
thus being in search for test documents using MkIV features/luatex
stuff. Or at least document which I can/should be able to process with
luatex/context.

If you have any documents it would be great if you could send me them,
best together with a short line on HOW to process the documents, and
even better with a correct pdf output.

This way I can do proper checking.

Thanks a lot and all the best

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Re: [NTG-context] Problems with fonts

2007-02-06 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all!

On Die, 06 Feb 2007, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
 Same holds for \Omega. Actually, there is something wrong with the
 fonts; CMR fonts don't seem to be used. Here is an example:
 
 See caption for figures 4, 5, 6 etc. These should have a \Omega

This is strange. I have these \Omegas occuring without any problem!

I also tried a minimal example:
\starttext
This should be Omega subscript s: $\Omega_s$

This should be 2 times pi cdot 11: $2\pi \cdot 11$ 
\stoptext
and it showed up correct.

Are you sure that you didn't mess up something with your font
installation.

As already asked, please send the log file of your compile run!

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Re: [NTG-context] Fwd: Problems with fonts

2007-02-05 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Kumar, hi Mojca,

On Son, 04 Feb 2007, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
 I guess that Norbert is reading the mailing list, but I'm forwarding

No. I read dev-context but not the ntg-context ml.

 anyway. You need a new version of LM fonts, but it should finally be
 fixed in Debian itself (I thought that it was fixed already.)

Why why why? lmodern in Debian is at version 1.00 and Taco (or Hans)
told me that the math fonts *are* included (and in fact I see them!) in
the 1.00 version, too.

 Formats should also be generated automatically, but I experience
 similar problems on mac.

No. Currently formats are NOT autogenerated in texlive in Debian for
conext, because mktexfmt/fmtutil does NOT support engine specific
subdirs for formats. This will work again with texlive 2007.

On Son, 04 Feb 2007, Kumar Appaiah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 But now, whenever I do texexec filename, I get a PDF with many 
 mathematical
 symbols missing. So, I do this:
 
 texexec --dvi ee03b091.tex
 dvips ee03b091.dvi
 ps2pdf ee03b091.ps
 
 Now, this seems to work, but the fonts are not rendered as well as they used
 to in Acrobat.
 
 And this also does not give the fonts, but causes the same math trouble 
 again:
 
 texexec --dvi ee03b091.tex
 dvips -o ee03b091.ps -Ppdf ee03b091.dvi
 ps2pdf ee03b091.ps
 
 What could be wrong? Is my installation broken? Can I salvage it?

Can you send me the file ee03b091.tex so that I can check it (I won't
publish the contents and won't rob you of any publication ;-)

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Re: [NTG-context] Problems with fonts

2007-02-05 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007, Norbert Preining wrote:
 Why why why? lmodern in Debian is at version 1.00 and Taco (or Hans)
 told me that the math fonts *are* included (and in fact I see them!) in
 the 1.00 version, too.

And when I take a look at the lm-hist.txt I *don*t see anything which
could induce this, or am I blind (see below).


And then, please WHY does context not cry out loud something like
character missing or so? I compile the document but the created
documents actually misses characters. But in the log file no warning, no
error, nothing. Is this the intention of ConTeXt, or is this a bug, or a
feature?

Ver. 1.010, 16.01.2007:
* important bugs fixed (R. Kinch in 1995,
* http://www.truetex.com/tug95ps.zip,
  Karel P\'{\i}\v{s}ka http://www-hep.fzu.cz/~piska/lm2006.html -- thanks
  to both), moreover, `perthousand' and `permyriad' corrected in all italic
  fonts (wrong path directions)
* LaTeX support fixed and enhanced with LM math (thanks to Marcin
  Woli\'nski)
* math text metric files (rm-*.tfm) provided
* the letter `mu' corrected (other Greek letters must wait for a while)
* `[lL]dotaccent' renamed to `[lL]dot', wrong shapes (dot above)
* corrected
* `cedilla' adjusted in lmri*, lmu10, and lmdunh10
* `[CcSs]cedilla' reprogrammed in lmri* and lmu10
* `ogonek' and `cedilla' have forced height=0 now (in TFMs)
* new encodings (cs, l7x) added
* some glyphs renamed: `*superior' - `*.superior', `*.oldstyle' -
  `*.taboldstyle', `*.oldstyle.prop' - `*.oldstyle' (names `*oldstyle',
  i.e., without a dot, removed)
* several glyphs added: combining accents, `sfthyphen' (a duplicate of
  `hyphen' for non-TeX applications), `[eE].reversed', `[tT]cedilla',
  Romanized Sanskrit letters (`[dD]dotbelow', `[hH]dotbelow', `[lL]dotbelow',
  `[lL]dotbelowmacron', `[mM]dotbelow', `[nN]dotaccent', `[nN]dotbelow',
  `[rR]dotbelow', `[rR]dotbelowmacron', `[tT]dotbelow' -- the suggestion
  of R (Chandra) Chandrasekhar)
* the structure of OTF files corrected -- grouping within families changed
  (following Adam Twardoch's suggestions -- thanks), features made more
  reasonable, glyph naming adjusted to standard recommendations, OTF version
  number consistent with the PS one
* the technical documentation provided
* a few minor changes in sources


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Re: [NTG-context] Problems with fonts

2007-02-05 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007, Hans Hagen wrote:
 missing chars are only reported by pdftex in the log file 

Good. Now that I know this I could track down the problem which was
reported to something else but the lm fonts, namely to a buggy \pm
command.

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt 2007.01.12 problem

2007-01-12 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fre, 12 Jan 2007, Mike Bird wrote:
 context_2007.01.12-1 has this problem.  You might want to pull it until
 a new package is available as this problem is a bit of a showstopper.

Too late. Is this known upstream? Taco, Hans?

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt 2007.01.12 problem

2007-01-12 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fre, 12 Jan 2007, Mike Bird wrote:
   context_2007.01.12-1 has this problem.  You might want to pull it until
   a new package is available as this problem is a bit of a showstopper.
 
  Is this a side-effect of context 2007.01.12 demanding pdftex 1.40?
 
 It's the problem Hans diagnosed as material missing from the end of
 spec-mis.tex .  He said he would upload a new zip but I don't know
 if that has happened yet.

Damned, this is seriously hosed ... one time I couldn't test all the
test cases I have on my laptop before uploading the upstream stuff is
hosed, that is a pity.

Guys, if you manage to get a fixed upstream by tomorrow 7:20am I can do
an upload , otherwise you have to wait till monday morning, because
I am leaving for ice climbing.

In the meantime please install
http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/context/context_2007.01.02-2_all.deb
to get a working context ...

Sorry ...

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[NTG-context] New Debian ConTeXt package fix complete breakage

2007-01-12 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all!

Thanks to the quick upload of whoever (I assume Hans) there is a new
Debian package on the tug server and uploaded to Debian that fixes the
complete breakage:
2007.01.12.2-1
(note the additional .2)

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Re: [NTG-context] debian context updates

2007-01-03 Thread Norbert Preining
HI Sanjoy!

(Taking of Mike, I am not sure whether he is interested in bug reports,
he only gets all my announces since he was the first/most active tester)

On Die, 02 Jan 2007, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:
 I'm using Ubuntu 6.10, so context_2006.12.27-1_all.deb wouldn't
 install without a --force-conflicts,overwrite,depends given to dpkg
 (Ubuntu still uses tetex 3.0).  With that caveat, which may explain
 the buglet I saw, it mostly worked fine.

Isn't texlive in ubuntu? Maybe not in 6.10. 

Well all the forces are necessary, tetex and context provide some same
files in /usr/bin

 The buglet: The context formats that the package installed in
 /var/lib/texmf/web2c/pdfetex are not found.  For example, pdfetex
 'cont-en' tries to run mktexfmt.  So I made a symlink from

Strange, does your texmf.cnf contain the following TEXFORMAT line:
TEXFORMATS = .;$TEXMF/web2c/{$engine,}

 /var/lib/texmf/web2c/pdfetex to /var/lib/texmf/web2c/pdftex and then
 'texexec' worked fine on my current document (a 50-page mathematics
 textbooklet).

(BTW, can you send me this file in private with all support stuff, I
need context test documents, I wont publish it ;-)

 I'm pretty sure the problem arose because I now use pdftex 1.40.0,
 which (I think) sets the engine to pdftex, even when it is called as
 pdfetex.

Umpf, yes. Well. If you prefer to hack everything yourself you have to
expect bad things...

 Not sure what the best solution is.  The symlink is a bit of a hack.

THere is none. Stick with pdf(e)tex as shipped by tetex.

 In the long run, it's good to get rid of the pdfetex/pdftex

This will be in TeX Live 2006...

 engine.  So until all surrounding programs are taught to use pdftex as
 the engine, this problem will occur and maybe the symlink is the
 solution.

All this will go into texlive-* 2006, as there is pdftex 1.40.0

 Before I did the dpkg --force..., I was trying to simulate its effect
 in a custom script.  So I looked through the ctxfmtutil script and was
 surprised to find that this texexec command (on line 38) worked:

No idea about this,

 `Not all those who wander are lost.' (J.R.R. Tolkien)

;-)

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[NTG-context] debian context updates 2007.01.02

2007-01-03 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all!

New context and context-nonfree based on 2007.01.02 release are on the
TUG server.

I will leave the current versions available in the Debian NEW queue and
hope that the pass. After the inclusion I will upload new packages
(which don't have to go through the NEW queue).

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Re: [NTG-context] debian context updates

2007-01-03 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mit, 03 Jan 2007, Ralf Stubner wrote:
  Strange, does your texmf.cnf contain the following TEXFORMAT line:
  TEXFORMATS = .;$TEXMF/web2c/{$engine,}
 
 Wasn't this a rather recent change in tex-common? In principle it would be

tex-common 0.36, 25 Oct 2006

 good if Ubuntu would ubdate their tex-common in 6.10 (AFAIK they have an
 integrated update scheme). Not least because of 'TeX on Debian', which is
 not yet part of Ubuntu 6.10.

I cannot care for this, this is up to others.

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[NTG-context] debian context updates

2006-12-28 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all!

I have uploadedanother repetition, this time with new package splitting:
package context:
all the normal stuff as before
package context-nonfree
currently only the cowfonts
package context-doc-nonfree
all the pdf documentation from below, plus style.pdf and
details.pdf which Hans suggested.

So the context package has changed as it now suggests both
context-nonfree and context-doc-nonfree.

The tarball for context-nonfree has changed, as it only contains the
cowfonts.

And context-doc-nonfree is new.

On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Norbert Preining wrote:
 aleph.pdf  mfonts.pdfmtexfont.pdf  show-dem.pdf  show-pap.pdf
 cont-eni.pdf   minstall.pdf  mtexutil.pdf  show-exa.pdf  show-pre.pdf
 cont-enp.pdf   mmakempy.pdf  mtexwork.pdf  showfont.pdf  showunic.pdf
 eppchtex.pdf   mp-cb-en.pdf  roadmap.pdf   show-gra.pdf  tiptrick.pdf
 example.pdfmp-ch-en.pdf  setup-en.pdf  show-mag.pdf
 metafun-p.pdf  ms-cb-en.pdf  show-art.pdf  show-man.pdf
 metafun-s.pdf  mtexexec.pdf  showcase.pdf  show-not.pdf

I will upload the stuff to Debian now, as it seems pretty stable,and
etch is frozen anyway.

In the meantime, it is available at the usual place.

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Re: [NTG-context] debian context updates

2006-12-28 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all!

Bad timing ... new upstream ... why was there no notice on dev-context?

New upstream 2006-12-27 is online. context-nonfree (cow fonts) and
context-doc-nonfree stay the same.

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Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1

2006-12-23 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 Here is my attempt to integrate everything said here with the UK TeX 
 FAQ entry and the wikipedia entry of ConTeXt, without pointing out all 
 the bad things about LaTeX. Everything said and done, LaTeX is much 
 better than Word Processors ;)

Thanks a lot!

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Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian

2006-12-22 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Taco!

On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 The cows fonts (inside cont-tmf) are cc-by-nd. TeXLive doesn't
 like that, so perhaps the same is true for debian.

find . -name \*cow\* does not give me anything with 2006.12.21, is this
intended, or how are the fonts called ...

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[NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1

2006-12-22 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all!

New upstream, new debian package 2006.12.21-0.1

deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/

Missing before I can upload (will upload) to Debian:
- copyright file needs to be extended. I got the OK from Taco that
  everything but the cows fonts are GPLv2 or PD, those fonts I couldn't 
  find for now, so it seems that it is ok. I have to write something up.
- Description: As Frank noted, something less commercial and more
  descriptive.
- man pages for all the funny applications ... Or only one for
  texmfstart, but this would be a bit of cheating ...


Anyone stepping forward to help here?

(This request is also going to the context list, maybe there is someone
eager to contribute something ;-)))

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Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1

2006-12-22 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Norbert Preining wrote:
 New upstream, new debian package 2006.12.21-0.1
 
   deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/
 
 Missing before I can upload (will upload) to Debian:
 - copyright file needs to be extended. I got the OK from Taco that
   everything but the cows fonts are GPLv2 or PD, those fonts I couldn't 
   find for now, so it seems that it is ok. I have to write something up.

Those fonts are removed, it was the koei* files, they are not included
in the .orig.tar.gz anymore, and will probably make it into -nonfree.

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Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian

2006-12-22 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 find . -name \*cow\* does not give me anything with 2006.12.21, is this
 intended, or how are the fonts called ...
 
 Try
 
find . -name koei\*
 
 (koe == cow in dutch)

Ahh thanks, ok these fonts are gone. I will package anyway a
context-nonfree (including the documentation) which also will carry the
fonts (I hope I come around this!)

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[NTG-context] new debian context and debian-nonfree 2006.12.21-0.1

2006-12-22 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all!

I re-repacked the stuff and now there are 2 packages:
context
context-nonfree
the content is quite easy: Everything from cont-tmf, cont-fnt, cont-ext,
cont-img is in context, BUT the list of files attached in
MANIFEST.nonfree which are in context-nonfree.

context suggests context-nonfree

I plan to add a lot of documentation files from the website to
context-nonfree. Files can be moved around at will, let me know.

Description of context a bit shortened and less commercial.

Otherwise no changes.

Same location as usual.

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Re: [NTG-context] new debian context and debian-nonfree 2006.12.21-0.1

2006-12-22 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Norbert Preining wrote:
 cont-img is in context, BUT the list of files attached in
 MANIFEST.nonfree which are in context-nonfree.

Which is now attached ...

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./doc/fonts/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters.rme
./doc/context/document/general/manuals/tiptrick.pdf
./doc/context/third/bnf/t-bnf.pdf
./doc/context/third/chromato/chromato-demo.pdf
./doc/context/third/chromato/chromato-doc.pdf
./doc/context/third/cmscbf/cmscbf-demo.pdf
./doc/context/third/cmscbf/cmscbf-doc.pdf
./doc/context/third/cmttbf/cmttbf-demo.pdf
./doc/context/third/cmttbf/cmttbf-doc.pdf
./doc/context/third/construction-plan/construction-plan-demo.pdf
./doc/context/third/construction-plan/construction-plan-doc.pdf
./doc/context/third/degrade/degrade-demo.pdf
./doc/context/third/degrade/degrade-doc.pdf
./doc/context/third/french/french-demo.pdf
./doc/context/third/french/french-doc.pdf
./doc/context/third/typearea/typearea-demo.pdf
./doc/context/third/typearea/typearea-doc.pdf
./fonts/afm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters-contour.afm
./fonts/afm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters.afm
./fonts/afm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielogos-contour.afm
./fonts/afm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielogos.afm
./fonts/afm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeien-ex.afm
./fonts/afm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeien-mi.afm
./fonts/afm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeien-sy.afm
./fonts/enc/pdftex/context/koeieletters-ex.enc
./fonts/enc/pdftex/context/koeieletters-mi.enc
./fonts/enc/pdftex/context/koeieletters-sy.enc
./fonts/enc/pdftex/context/koeieletters.enc
./fonts/enc/pdftex/context/koeielogos.enc
./fonts/map/pdftex/context/koeieletters.map
./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielett-contour.tfm
./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielett.tfm
./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletter-ex.tfm
./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletter-mi.tfm
./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletter-sy.tfm
./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletter-syx.tfm
./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters-contour.tfm
./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters.tfm
./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielettx.tfm
./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielogos-contour.tfm
./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielogos.tfm
./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeien-ex.tfm
./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeien-mi.tfm
./fonts/tfm/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeien-sy.tfm
./fonts/type1/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters-contour.pfb
./fonts/type1/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters.pfb
./fonts/type1/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielogos-contour.pfb
./fonts/type1/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielogos.pfb
./fonts/vf/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielett-contour.vf
./fonts/vf/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeielett.vf
./fonts/vf/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletter-ex.vf
./fonts/vf/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletter-mi.vf
./fonts/vf/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletter-sy.vf
./fonts/vf/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletter-syx.vf
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Re: [NTG-context] License stuff for ConTeXt

2006-12-22 Thread Norbert Preining
 system, so easily available.

 From the entire list of pdfs, I believe this is the only one that
 really does not have a source included where there could reasonably
 be expected to be a source avaible somewhere.

Thanks a lot.

 CC-plus-ND the following:
 ./doc/fonts/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters.rme
 
 Anything starting with koei - CC-ND is correct (like you said
 in another message). There was one in this list by mistake:

Yup.

  ./fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-adobe-euro.map
 
 that should be GPL.

My error.



Taco, thanks a lot for your work and all the best

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Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1

2006-12-22 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all!

On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 What are the differences between ConTeXt and LaTeX? 
 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#What_are_the_differences_between_ConTeXt_and_LaTeX.3F

Thanks I included some text from it into the control file, ie
description:
Description: powerful TeX format.
 ConTeXt is a typographical engine written in the typographical computer 
 language TeX. ConTeXt provides you with a convenient way to encode documents 
 in a structured way and to typeset these documents in various ways on paper, 
 computer screen or web site.
 .
 The main difference between ConTeXt and LaTeX lies in the fact that LaTeX
 was created with the idea of separating content and presentation to such 
 an extent that the typical author would write their content and then use 
 a style file created by someone else to provide the visual presentation.
 .
 ConTeXt, on the other hand, retained the idea of separating content and
 presentation, but was created with the idea of being used for books, where
 each book tends to have a different layout, and so the expected end user is
 the person doing all the layout. Thus, it's designed to provide a vast amount
 of flexibility for layout in a way that can be fairly easily defined without
 needing to write a package
 .
 This package also contains MetaFun. MetaFun (a superset of well known 
 MetaPost) is a powerful system for vector graphics that is fully integrated
 into ConTeXt, but also usable as a stand alone product. 
 .
 MetaFun is not for interactive drawing applications and not for free hand 
 drawings. Its strength lies in the ability to enhance the document layout
 with highly accurate graphic elements.

If someone wants to improve it ...

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[NTG-context] new debian context and debian-nonfree 2006.12.21-1

2006-12-22 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all!

Again, after all the helpful comments from Taco, Hans, Mojca, Aditya, I
have redone all the packaging:

context:
everything but the cow fonts and the tipsandtricks.pdf
context-nonfree:
cow fonts
a long list of pdfs from the web site:
aleph.pdf  mfonts.pdfmtexfont.pdf  show-dem.pdf  show-pap.pdf
cont-eni.pdf   minstall.pdf  mtexutil.pdf  show-exa.pdf  show-pre.pdf
cont-enp.pdf   mmakempy.pdf  mtexwork.pdf  showfont.pdf  showunic.pdf
eppchtex.pdf   mp-cb-en.pdf  roadmap.pdf   show-gra.pdf  tiptrick.pdf
example.pdfmp-ch-en.pdf  setup-en.pdf  show-mag.pdf
metafun-p.pdf  ms-cb-en.pdf  show-art.pdf  show-man.pdf
metafun-s.pdf  mtexexec.pdf  showcase.pdf  show-not.pdf

So I hope this should give a quite complete and useful base for context.

I also extended the copyright file to include the statements by Taco,
and some more remarks. Still I hope that one of the next releases of
ConTeXt will contain some sort of MANIFEST.foobar as I suggested.

The wording is also improved I hope, so now for all the Debian guys: Can
you please take a look at the package, what you think, as I plan (as
you see from the version number) to upload it soon.

Usual location.

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Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian

2006-12-20 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Taco!

On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 context 2006.12.17-0.1 is available from the usual place:
  deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/
 
 I want to upload this package to Debian proper soon. Please give
 suggestions/remarks/comments!
 
 I am not a debian user so I will not comment on the package itself,
 but I fully expect a new release from Hans today, so perhaps it
 is better to wait a few hours before uploading.

Ok, thanks a lot. May I ask you something about copyright: For proper
inclusion I really need to know the copyright not only of the files in
cont-tmf, but aslo in the others, cont-ext, cont-fnt, cont-img.

Is there any chance to get a statement of them beign DFSG compatible?
Otherwise I have to exclude some of it and put it into something like
context-nonfree.

BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for
luatex which I am also packaging.

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Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian

2006-12-20 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Taco!

On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 The cows fonts (inside cont-tmf) are cc-by-nd. TeXLive doesn't
 like that, so perhaps the same is true for debian.

Ok.

 Everything in (the current versions of) cont-ext, cont-fmt and cont-img
 is either GPLv2 or Public Domain.

Thanks for clarification.

 BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for
 luatex which I am also packaging.
 
 Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally
 experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that
 know how to deal with unstable software.

I know, I will call the package
luatex-snapshot
upload it to experimental, and people will get a warning about its
usage. It is ok this way, not many people will get it from experimental
anyway, but I want to have it around for testing, and better early
adoption then late work.

The point is that there are people who don't want to compile things but
still are able to test stuff. For those luatex-snapshot pacakged will
serve, too (and for me, because I don't want to have packages not under
package management control on my system ;-)


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Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian

2006-12-20 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for
 luatex which I am also packaging.
 
 Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally
 experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that
 know how to deal with unstable software.

I forgot to say: If you or the team have strong feelings *against* a
packaged version, even if it is accompanied by big warnings etc, let us
know, we can also forget about the packaging for now.

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[NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian

2006-12-19 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all!

context 2006.12.17-0.1 is available from the usual place:
deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/

I want to upload this package to Debian proper soon. Please give
suggestions/remarks/comments!

Thanks a lot

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Taco!

On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 Nup, doesn't work:
  kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a
 Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing?
 
 Probably a case of fonts missing. Those fonts are in cont-fnt.zip that
 is not in TeXLive (nor will it be added anytime soon). But FWIW, this
 means the bits you do have installed, do work as expected.

Ok. Would it make sense to pack them together with the cont-tmf.zip in
the Debian context package?

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 That depends on whether you want your packages to be one-on-one 
 compatible with TeXLive or not, and that is something you should

No, the more the better.

 decide for yourself. From my side this is a no-brainer: the more
 context support, the better.

I didn't include it since I THOUGHT that everything is contained already
in the cont-tmf.zip file.

What else would make sense?
- cont-tmf.zip
- cont-fnt.zip
- cont-img.zip ???
- cont-ext.zip ???
- anything else?

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Taco!

(BTW: Sorry for bothering with all this, and thanks for the support!)

On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 What else would make sense?
 - cont-tmf.zip
 - cont-fnt.zip
 - cont-img.zip ???
 - cont-ext.zip ???
 
 The most important ones (besides cont-tmf) are cont-fnt and cont-ext.
 cont-img is nice, but not that important (only a few example images).

Are all of them DFSG free? cont-tmf I know, about the others I don't
know. 

If not, I can create two packages which complement each other.

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[NTG-context] new debian context, including various new files

2006-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all!

Another day, another updated...

context 2006.12.07-0.3 is available from the usual place:
deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/

Big news: Now all the files from the following zips are included:
cont-tmf.zipthe main CONTEXT distribution   
cont-ext.zipthird party CONTEXT modules
cont-fnt.zipfont metrics of public fonts
cont-img.zipa few resources for testing functionality


With the new packages I was able to compile all the test documents I got
till now (the assignment and the pdftex-t documentation).

Big thanks to Taco for helping me and all his suggestions.

Now I have to get some decent copyright file for Debian inclusion, if
someone can help ...

Best wishes

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Hans!

On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Hans Hagen wrote:
 Are all of them DFSG free? cont-tmf I know, about the others I don't
 know. 
   
 as far as we know, they're all free (at least, before adding something 
 to the ext file, taco tests the structure etc etc); the third party 
 modules are collected on the context wiki, fetched from there and merged 
 into the ext zip (as well as uploaded automatically to ctan)

Thanks.

On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Hans Hagen wrote:
 What else would make sense?


I have updated the package included all the four zips. Thanks a lot for
the suggestions.

 some day next year there will be an additional zip for luatex support

No problem, will be included, too.

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 Nup, doesn't work:
  kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a
 Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing?
 
 Probably a case of fonts missing. Those fonts are in cont-fnt.zip that

Thanks, this worked. Nice ...

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Sanjoy!

On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:
   Nup, doesn't work:
 kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a
   Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing?
  
  Probably a case of fonts missing. Those fonts are in cont-fnt.zip that
  is not in TeXLive (nor will it be added anytime soon). But FWIW, this
  means the bits you do have installed, do work as expected.
 
 I had the same error, which remained after installing cont-fnt.zip.
 I'll make a small test case soonish.

Here it does work after installation of cont-fnt.zip. Or the current
Debian context package.

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-10 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Aditya!

On Son, 10 Dez 2006, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 This is a simple document that uses URW-Pallatino fonts and some mp 
 backgrounds. Sanjoy had some trouble with the fonts due to missing map 
 files. If the document compiles correctly, it will verify that the 
 URW-Pallatino map files are correct. Simply unzip the files and

Nup, doesn't work:
kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a
Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing?

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Re: [NTG-context] Debian/texlive/context: Segfault in mpost

2006-11-08 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mit, 08 Nov 2006, Johan Sandblom wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locate metafun.mem
 /etc/texmf/web2c/metafun.mem
 /var/lib/texmf/web2c/metafun.mem

The mem file in /etc/texmf/web2c seems VERY FISHY!!! Please remove it.
Probably metapost loads a wrong metafun.mem file.

Best wishes

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Re: [NTG-context] Debian/texlive/context: Segfault in mpost

2006-11-08 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mit, 08 Nov 2006, Johan Sandblom wrote:
 texlive-metapost/testing uptodate 2005.dfsg.2-2
 texlive-base/testing uptodate 2005.dfsg.2-3
 texlive-common/testing uptodate 2005.dfsg.2-3
 texlive-base-bin/testing uptodate 2005.dfsg.2-2
 
 and the new context package from www.tug.org/texlive/Debian version
 2006.08.08 the following text file processes without error but has no
 graphic

Strange enough, on my computer I don't see this problem. The file
contains the graphics.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mpost -progname=metafun -mem=metafun mptest-mpgraph.mp
 This is MetaPost, Version 0.901 (Web2C 7.5.5)
 (mptest-mpgraph.mpSegmentation fault

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locate metafun.mem
 /etc/texmf/web2c/metafun.mem
 /var/lib/texmf/web2c/metafun.mem

Maybe some other files in /etc/texmf/web2c are interfering. metapost
pool files would be an idea. Can you send me the list of files in
/etc/texmf/web2c?

I have thee ONLY mktex.cnf!!!


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt installtion and Debian

2006-10-25 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Taco, hi all!

I am trying to fix all the problems for Debian ...

Another thing Taco wrote was:
 * TEXFORMATS as shipped with teTeX/TL is uncomplete: there is that
missing format-specific subdirectory. If you are not root, then
you have to create a local texmf.cnf to overrule the default
texmf.cnf. I have:
 
TEXFORMATS= .;$TEXMF/web2c/{$engine,}
 
because context's texexec pushes the $engine setting to the
environment, this works fine (Originally this was supposed to
be handled by kpathsea, but like I said, that never got off
the ground)

This change I have executed in the tex-common depot, it will not hurt
anybody.

 * TEXFONTMAPS is also wrong: it makes pdftex (and dvipdfmx as well,
I guess) find the mapfiles for dvips before their own mapfiles
(those are shipped with ConTeXt).
 
I have:
 
TEXFONTMAPS.dvipdfm  = .;$TEXMF/fonts/map/{dvipdfm,dvips,}//
TEXFONTMAPS.dvipdfmx = .;$TEXMF/fonts/map/{dvipdfm,dvips,}//
TEXFONTMAPS.pdftex   = .;$TEXMF/fonts/map/{pdftex,dvips,}//
TEXFONTMAPS.pdfetex  = .;$TEXMF/fonts/map/{pdftex,dvips,}//
TEXFONTMAPS.xetex= .;$TEXMF/fonts/map/{xetex,pdftex,dvips,}//
TEXFONTMAPS.dvips= .;$TEXMF/fonts/map/{dvips,pdftex,}//
TEXFONTMAPS =.;$TEXMF/fonts/map/{$progname,pdftex,dvips,}//;\
$TEXMF/{$progname,pdftex,dvips}/{config,}//
 
this works fine (but it is perhaps a bit too verbose).

Debian currently has:
TEXFONTMAPS = .;$TEXMF/{fonts/,}map//;$TEXMF/dvips//

What about this? I am not completely convinced about it since with
updmap we generate input file for all the different programs.

For Taco: I have NOT installed the dvipdfm map files, only those from
fonts/map/pdftex/context and fonts/map/dvips/context

Furthermore I have added all the maps in fonts/map/dvips/context to the
updmap config file and called updmap-sys.

So now I can call texexec on several documents without any problems and
all the fonts are found.

What is the problem with
- removing the dvipdfm maps
- generating lines for dvipdfm(x), pdfetex, dvips from the dvips config
  files as done by updmap-sys

It would be great if we could straighten this out and get nice packages
for Debian rather soon.

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt installtion and Debian

2006-10-25 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all!

On Die, 24 Okt 2006, Norbert Preining wrote:
# texexec --make --all [--xetex | --aleph | --pdftex] formats
  
  Where formats are the desired formats to run. The accepted list
  at the moment is: the eight ConTeXt formats, in both long
  (cont-en etc.) and  short from (en,nl,de,it,fr,cz,
  ro,uk), and mptopdf, and the metapost mems mpost and metafun.

Ok, I have rewritten the Debian context package so that it does the
following:

On installation/update time a script context-build-formats is called
which reads the file
/etc/texmf/context/formats.cnf
where all the formats to be build are defined. Currently my file looks
like this:
#
# This file defines which ConTeXt formats are build
#
{pdftex,aleph} {de,en,it,mptopdf}

Yes, it expands the curly braces.

On removal currently I don't do anything, because I don't know how to
know which files should be removed. But this shouldn't be to hard,
remove /usr/share/texmf/web2c/$engine/$format.*

Anyway, it is not very intellignet the script, no error checking,
nothing, but it runs.

What do you say:
- you ConTeXt people: concerning the format file, the way of updating?
- you Debian people: concerning the new way to define it?


The context-build-formats should be something like fmtutil(-sys) for
context. I didn't come around to implement the difference between the
-sys and the normal variant, but it should be easy, as in fmtutil-sys.

Any suggestions?

BTW, here is the code for the script, it is short:
#!/bin/bash
# context-build-formats
export TEXMFSYSCONFIG=/usr/share/texmf

parse_line()
{
  engine=$1
  format=$2
  eval set $engine
  allengines=$@
  eval set $format
  allformats=$@
  for e in $allengines ; do
for f in $allformats ; do
  texexec --make --$e $f
done
  done
}

OIFS=$IFS
IFS='
'
set $(echo x; sed '/^#/d; /^[  ]*$/d' /etc/texmf/context/formats.cnf)
; shift
IFS=$OIFS
for line 
do
  parse_line $line;
done
# eof

You see where I robbed the code ... fmtutil.


Best wishes

Norbert

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[NTG-context] Two problems with current ruby scripts

2006-10-25 Thread Norbert Preining
Dear all!

THe packages of ConTeXt I am currently preparing are tested by a user
and he send back the following questions/comments. Could you please
comment on this.

For the background: I install all the stubs from 
scripts/context/stubs/unix
into /usr/bin, add a texmfstart stub that calls ruby with the right path
to texmfstart.rb.

- Forwarded message from Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
 From: Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: New texexec very confused
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:52:30 -0700
 
 The new ruby texexec is very confused.  The problem of output
 defaulting to pdf instead of dvi has already been noted.  Here
 are some additional problems:
 
 Command:texexec --output=dvips foo
 Should produce: foo.dvi
 Actually produces:  foo.pdf
 
 Command:texexec --dvi foo
 Should produce: foo.dvi
 Actually produces:  foo.dvi AND OVERWRITES foo.ps
 
 --Mike Bird
- End forwarded message -


- Forwarded message from Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
 From: Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Is texmfstart secure?
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:08:53 -0700
 
 Package: context 2006.08.08-0.4
 
 If anyone who knows Ruby has time, can you tell if texmfstart is
 secure?  I was really surprised to see client-server code.  Even
 localhost services can lead to privilege escalation if not careful.
 For example, /usr/share/texmf/scripts/context/ruby/texmfstart.rb
 contains the following.  I'm not a Ruby programmer but the comment
 leads me to think there is a potential problem here:
 
 # danger lurking
 buffer = ' ' * 260
 length = filemethod.call(filename,buffer,buffer.size)
 if length0 then
 return buffer.slice(0..length-1)
 
 It looks like PRAGMA is trying to reinvent kpsewhich, integrate internet
 explorer, launch editors, and do a whole bunch of other stuff I haven't
 figured out.  texexec should be a simple wrapper around tex or pdftex
 but it works via texmfstart.rb which is 2541 lines of Ruby - and that's
 a lot of Ruby.  It may all be wonderful (I am not a Ruby programmer) but
 it makes me nervous.
 
 Is an older/simpler texexec still available?
 
 --Mike Bird
- End forwarded message -

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Norbert

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[NTG-context] (fwd) Debian context 2006.08.08-0.5

2006-10-25 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all!

I am forwarding this to the context list for those who do not follow the
debian-tex-maint.

- Forwarded message from Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

 From: Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: context -0.5
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:35:48 +0200
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15
 
 Hi all!
 
 New package  context 2006.08.08-0.5
 
 Changes:
 - only create cont-en, mptopdf, and metafun formats on pdftex by default
 
 - make ctxfmtutil shut up in the default case
 
 - install perl scripts
 
 - config file is now
   /etc/texmf/context/config/formats.cnf
   Please remove the old config file if it is still present.
   (Suggested by Hans)
 
 - install formats into TEXMFSYSVAR=/var/lib/texmf for root calling
   and TEXMFVAR=~/.texmf-var for user calling
 
   PLEASE REMOVE THE OLD FORMATS UNDER /usr/share/texmf/web2 by 
   HAND. Sorry for this, I was stupid!
 
 - add a check for the presence of the driving engine and issue a 
   warning.
 
 - Some small stuff (man page, extend example in confif file)
 
- End forwarded message -


If you are a seasoned ConTeXt user on Debian, please give it a try and
tell me about your experiences.

Best is to send feed-back to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Best wishes

Norbert

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[NTG-context] ConTeXt installtion and Debian

2006-10-24 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Taco, hi all!

(I am sending personal copies since I don't know whether I can mail to
the ntg list).

First of all thanks for the explanations!

You wrote:
 To actually update ConTeXt, assuming you already have a relatively
 modern context installed, you say
   
   # ctxtools --update
 
 and that fetches the zip file(s) from the pragma site (or a mirror),
 unpacks them, and updates the various perl and ruby scripts that come
 with ConTeXt.
 
 You have to be root for this when you want to update the global install,
 otherwise you have a few extra caveats, see below.
 
 After a succesful update, you have to run
   
   # texexec --make --all [--xetex | --aleph | --pdftex] formats
 
 Where formats are the desired formats to run. The accepted list
 at the moment is: the eight ConTeXt formats, in both long
 (cont-en etc.) and  short from (en,nl,de,it,fr,cz,
 ro,uk), and mptopdf, and the metapost mems mpost and metafun.

I checked the current zip file and the current ctxtools.rb script, it
does nothing else than:
- download the current zip
- unpack
- install the stubs from scripts/context/stubs/*
- update the formats.


So this is what we have to do in the Debian package, too. This is not
hard, in fact most parts are already done. The only thing we have to do
is create a way for the user to choose which formats should be
generated. I will think about this.

But for the search pathes, we will adjust the Debian texmf.cnf file, to
get different engines loading differen cont-en.fmt files. Thanks.

Best wishes

Norbert

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