[NTG-context] Quotation dash issues with semantic markup

2019-12-29 Thread Sam May
Any of you able to help me get my quotation dashes into line when 
automatically inserted by the semantic commands?  I'm sure a number of you 
look at this style and cringe, but A. I'm not looking for grammatical input, 
and B. I'm intending this for a non-English language where the quotation dash 
(though still not most common) isn't as out of place.

See attachment for actual examples, but I'm looking for a dash at each side of 
the quotation, /except/ at the very end of a paragraph.  I additionally want 
dialogue tags (via \aside, and located within quotations) to not print their 
surrounding decoration if they're directly next to the larger dash of the 
quotation.  Unfortunately, the only way I can think of doing the first is by 
checking if the next token's \par, and that gets thrown off by the internal 
logic of \quotation; I'm not at all sure how to start going about the asides.

It would also be nice if a quote ending in a period carried the 'broad' 
spacing to the other side of the (ending) quote dash -- the dash before 'Also' 
in the examples would be packed on the left and broad on the right.  I know 
this might be a lot trickier to code, and only consider it a bonus.

An additional issue with \removeunwantedspaces only seems to affect the 
command forms.  When inserted directly, the spacing acts as desired in the PDF 
(as expected, the XML doesn't understand the order).  Also, the right |>| 
doesn't require either of the explicit spacing instructions (beyond being 
non-breaking) while the others do.

The quotation dash itself only /looks/ as I want it; when I highlight and copy 
the text or export it to the XML backend, it's still two dashes next to each 
other.  Instead, I'd like it to be the Unicode bar U+2015.  I'm not sure if 
TEX/LUATEX allows that difference between appearance and interaction (I do 
know PDF does), so if there's some way of adding a new glyph to the font -- 
one that mimics the other dashes even if the font changes -- I'd love to 
actually use the proper codepoint.  As is, that doesn't work in the standard 
font(s).

Thanks for the help!  I know it's quite a bit of an ask.

Sam


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Re: [NTG-context] How to repeat the hyphen?

2019-03-25 Thread Sam May
Sounds like you've got it working, but just to provide an alternative 
that should* work, according to the sources:


 \setuplanguage[cz]
[compoundhyphen=-,%Or, to keep the \setuphyphenmark
 rightcompoundhyphen=-,%   configuration mentioned in Taco's link:
 leftcompoundhyphen=-]%`*compoundhyphen=\compoundhyphen`

That does require you to replace all the hyphens with `||`, which it 
understandably sounds like you want to avoid, but it can be good for 
someone like me who likes that explicit markup, or for someone who needs 
more control over which symbols go where (I'm using for Esperanto -- 
slightly non-standard -- a vertical tick mark for the inner-line and the 
left but the hyphen for the right).  The main benefit, though, is that 
you can do the same thing for line-breaking hyphenation if you need to 
change that, just drop the `compound` in the keys.


* I've been running into it working for the first break or two but than 
switching back to the default for the rest of the document, and haven't 
been able to track down why.  Though it might have something to do with 
me still using the ridiculously out-of-date 2016.05.17 because I haven't 
gotten around to overriding the Gentoo package manager yet...


Sam

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 04:57:24PM +0100, Tomas Hala wrote:

Hi Taco,

this is exactly what I needed, thank you very much.

Fri, Mar 22, 2019 ve 04:16:20PM +0100 Taco Hoekwater napsal(a):
# Somewhat cleaner is to do it this way:
#   %%%
#   \definebreakpoints[czcompound]
#   \definebreakpoint[czcompound][-][nleft=3,nright=3,type=4]
#
#   \appendtoks
#\ifx\mylanguage\currentlanguage
#   \setbreakpoints[czcompound]
#\else
#   \resetbreakpoints
#\fi
#   \to\everylanguage
#
# It would be nice if that language= key would work, though (it is ignored, it 
seems)

I agree...

Best wishes,

Tomá??

# Taco
#
#
# > On 22 Mar 2019, at 15:38, Tomas Hala  wrote:
# >
# > Hi Taco,
# >
# > good idea, I tried it but the problem is that it does not switch itself off
# > automatically when the language is changed again.
# >
# > The following code works but I guess that must be some more sophisticated
# > ConTeXt way.
# >
# > Best wishes,
# >
# > Tomá??
# >
# >
# > %%
# > 
\def\myboxik#1#2{\start\setuphyphenation[cz][method=#1]\startframedtext[width=1dd]\hbox{{\bf#1}}\crlf#2\stopframedtext\stop\par}
# > 
\def\mybox#1{\myboxik{traditional}{#1}\myboxik{default}{#1}\myboxik{expanded}{#1}\myboxik{original}{#1}\myboxik{tex}{#1}\myboxik{hyphenate}{#1}\myboxik{none}{#1}\par\thinrule}
# >
# > \starttext
# > \definebreakpoints[czcompound]
# >
# > \let\oldlanguage=\language
# > \def\language[#1]{\oldlanguage[#1]
# >  \ifx\mylanguage\currentlanguage 
\definebreakpoint[czcompound][-][nleft=3,nright=3,type=4] 
\setbreakpoints[czcompound]
# >\else 
\definebreakpoint[czcompound][-][nleft=3,nright=3,type=1] 
\setbreakpoints[czcompound]
# >  \fi} and the same for \mainlanguage
# >
# > \def\mylanguage{cs}
# >
# > \language[en] \mybox{modro-zelený}
# > \language[cz] \mybox{modro-zelený}
# > \language[en] \mybox{modro-zelený}
# >
# > \stoptext
# > 
# >
# > Fri, Mar 22, 2019 ve 01:56:40PM +0100 Taco Hoekwater napsal(a):
# > # Hi Tomá??,
# > #
# > # Sorry but I do not know. I *do* know that you can do this:
# > #
# > #   \definebreakpoints [czcompound]
# > #   \definebreakpoint  [czcompound] [-] [nleft=3,nright=3,type=4]
# > #   \setbreakpoints[czcompound]
# > #
# > # And perhaps hook that into a language switch. Does that help?
# > #
# > #
# > #
# > # > On 22 Mar 2019, at 10:37, Tomas Hala  wrote:
# > # >
# > # > Hi,
# > # >
# > # > thanks, that's it. I did some tests and no side-effects appeared.
# > # > Moreover, it seems that it has no influence on \hyphentatedurl which is 
also ok.
# > # >
# > # > But only one point I do not understand -- when I used the key
# > # > language=cz, repeated hyphens disappeared. It would by fine if one
# > # > can set it only for the given language(s), eg. for cz+sk yes and for en 
no.
# > # > Is there any way for this?
# > # >
# > # > Best wishes,
# > # >
# > # > Tomá??
# > # >
# > # >
# > # > \definebreakpoint [compound] [-] [nleft=3,nright=3,type=4, language=cz]
# > # > \setbreakpoints[compound]
# > # >
# > # >
# > # > Thu, Mar 21, 2019 ve 04:45:49PM +0100 Taco Hoekwater napsal(a):
# > # > # Hi,
# > # > #
# > # > # \definebreakpoint [compound] [-] [nleft=3,nright=3,type=4]
# > # > # \setbreakpoints[compound]
# > # > #
# > # > # But also check the wiki, there can be side-effects to 
\setbreakpoints[compound]
# > # > #
# > # > #   https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Compound_words
# > # > #
# > # > #
# > # > # Best wishes,
# > # > # Taco
# > # > #
# > # > # > On 21 Mar 2019, at 16:23, Tomas Hala  wrote:
# > # > # >
# > # > # > Hi all,
# > # > # >
# > # > # > in composed words with hyphen inside (e.g. modro-zelený = 
blue-green), the
# > # > # > hyphen character must be repeated at the