Re: [NTG-context] Force a hyphenation
Thanks everybody very much for the explanations. — As I am Swiss, these matters with ß were never correctly understood and my knowledge about hyphenation is old… Thank you Thomas for pointing me to the Duden-rules. I will check-out the same issue about ck and k-k … Kind regards Willi > On 16 Mar 2022, at 17:29, Arthur Rosendahl via ntg-context > wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 05:17:46PM +0100, Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context > wrote: >> So Eiwei-ßes may in fact be correct... But I assume that Arthur has some >> authoritative answer to this question. > > I’ll refer to the German hyphenation pattern list as an authority > (https://lists.dante.de/mailman/listinfo/trennmuster) :-) But I do > believe that you, Thomas, are right and that Eiwei-ßes is correct (while > Ei-weißes is much better anyway). It is in fact logical: ‘ß’ in the new > spelling means that the preceding sound is long, hence it has to be > spelt that way always, not “analysed” as ‘ss’. If you were to hyphenate > Straße as Stras-se, it would indicate a different pronunciation. > > Best, > > Arthur > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the > Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Force a hyphenation
On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 05:17:46PM +0100, Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context wrote: > So Eiwei-ßes may in fact be correct... But I assume that Arthur has some > authoritative answer to this question. I’ll refer to the German hyphenation pattern list as an authority (https://lists.dante.de/mailman/listinfo/trennmuster) :-) But I do believe that you, Thomas, are right and that Eiwei-ßes is correct (while Ei-weißes is much better anyway). It is in fact logical: ‘ß’ in the new spelling means that the preceding sound is long, hence it has to be spelt that way always, not “analysed” as ‘ss’. If you were to hyphenate Straße as Stras-se, it would indicate a different pronunciation. Best, Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Force a hyphenation
Am 16.03.22 um 16:48 schrieb Willi Egger via ntg-context: Hi, at the moment I am dealing with a German text. Although I have \mainlanguage[de] in the preamble the word 'des Eiweißes' is hyphenated as 'des Eiwei-ßes'. Of course this should be 'des Eiweis-ses'. How can I make sure that ConTeXt is hyphenating this corerctly? Sorry, Willi, but that hyphenation is correct, and your suggestion was also wrong in the previous iterations of German orthography. Only ck was changed to k-k; hyphenation of ß a s-s was only allowed if you replaced ß by ss anyway (like in Switzerland). Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Force a hyphenation
Hi Willi, I must admit that after the reform some 20 years ago, I'm no longer certain about German rules. But I think that in fact, according to the new rules, ß is no longer hyphenated the way you suggest. Duden § 164.3: "Ein einzelner Konsonantenbuchstabe im Wortinneren kommt in der Regel auf die neue Zeile; von mehreren Konsonantbuchstaben trennt man nur den letzten ab. Zum Beispiel […] Grü-ße, hei-ßen So Eiwei-ßes may in fact be correct... But I assume that Arthur has some authoritative answer to this question. Best Thomas On 3/16/22 16:48, Willi Egger via ntg-context wrote: Hi, at the moment I am dealing with a German text. Although I have \mainlanguage[de] in the preamble the word 'des Eiweißes' is hyphenated as 'des Eiwei-ßes'. Of course this should be 'des Eiweis-ses'. How can I make sure that ConTeXt is hyphenating this corerctly? Kind regards Willi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Force a hyphenation
On 3/16/2022 4:48 PM, Willi Egger via ntg-context wrote:
Hi,
at the moment I am dealing with a German text. Although I have
\mainlanguage[de] in the preamble the word 'des Eiweißes' is hyphenated as 'des
Eiwei-ßes'. Of course this should be 'des Eiweis-ses'.
How can I make sure that ConTeXt is hyphenating this corerctly?
\startexceptions[de]
Eiwei{s-}{s}{ß}es
\stopexceptions
\mainlanguage[de]
\starttext
\hsize 1mm Eiweißes
\stoptext
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[NTG-context] Force a hyphenation
Hi, at the moment I am dealing with a German text. Although I have \mainlanguage[de] in the preamble the word 'des Eiweißes' is hyphenated as 'des Eiwei-ßes'. Of course this should be 'des Eiweis-ses'. How can I make sure that ConTeXt is hyphenating this corerctly? Kind regards Willi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
