Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-31 Thread Henri Menke 
Dear Paul,

Personally I really like your logo design, but there is one thing that
bothers me a lot, which is the non-free font.  Could it perhaps be
replaced by a free font, e.g. Fetamont?
https://www.ctan.org/pkg/fetamont

Cheers, Henri

On 29/01/19 12:18 PM, Paul Schalck wrote:
> Dear ConTeXt users and developers,
> 
> I want to submit a new ConTeXt logo to you (link to GitLab project):
> 
> https://gitlab.com/schickele/new-context-logo
> 
> I made this logo in February 2018. At the time, I was planning to do some 
> video tutorials on ConTeXt (still work in progress), and I wanted a nice 
> looking visual clue for the thumbnails. Recently, I made a few minor tweaks 
> and thought it would be the right time to put it out there.
> 
> The logo comes in two different layouts (hexagonal and horizontal), and each 
> layout comes in two color variations (multicolored and blue).
> 
> The hexagonal layout is borrowed from the unofficial ConTeXt logo that has 
> been around for some time. I like the idea of a clean geometrical form, and 
> the hexagon reminds me of chemistry formulas -- one of the many application 
> fields of ConTeXt.
> 
> The seven colors have mainly an esthetic purpose. They also denote the 
> flexibility of ConTeXt. I've added a monochromatic blue version because 
> shiny, saturated colors are not suitable for every case, and blue is strongly 
> associated with ConTeXt to me. Blue is also a reminder of Mark IV and LuaTeX.
> 
> The letters are set in Din17 EF, which I've licensed. I like its simple 
> shapes combined with a round and soft touch. It avoids consciously the very 
> connoted Computer Modern and can be seen as a modernized and also 
> Europeanized interpretation of the TeX tradition.
> 
> This logo is just a humble proposal. Perhaps it is of some use to someone. It 
> could also make someone else want to create and share his or her logo -- that 
> would be great.
> 
> I'm using ConTeXt since 2006/07 for almost everything that contains text: 
> letters, presentations, invitations, résumés, certificates, manuals, reports, 
> flyers, university papers, book typesetting, exercise sheets, song sheets, 
> and I'm still amazed by how powerful, flexible and reliable it is. Thanks to 
> the whole community -- and particularly to the Dutch wizard -- for making 
> this possible!
> 
> Greetings from Leimen, Germany
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Hans Åberg 

> On 30 Jan 2019, at 20:57, Paul Schalck  wrote:
> 
> as many critics go towards "I don't see any coherence" or "to me it's just a 
> random bunch of colored letters" or "it's hard to read the word CONTEXT", 
> some afterthoughts in that regard (difficulty, randomness).
> 
> Personally, I like visual material that catches my attention, but does not 
> give all away at first glance. For example a good poster or book cover. It 
> invites me to spend time on it. And I don't have the feeling that the 
> designer thinks I'm stupid. ConTeXt is quite sophisticated, its logo can also 
> be a little bit more complicated than your average sportswear brand.

The E at the center might be switched with the T at center bottom. Then the 
lower part might be easier to read, and is in line with the original TeX logo, 
where the E is a lowered capital eta.


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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm 
Am 2019-01-30 um 14:00 schrieb Paul Schalck :

> @Floris vM: I'm glad that my nemesis on the matter felt himself challenged to 
> make his own proposal. While I think it's too minimalistic (only insiders 
> know what 'CTX' stands for), I like your idea of the subscript 'T'. Your 
> concept with the crosses reminded me of the visual identity of Amsterdam. I 
> do not see, however, how it reflects better "typesetting beautiful readable 
> typography". And it lacks some colors ,-)

You don’t need to understand the signs of a good logo (see e.g. Deutsche Bank).

Floris’ proposal is clear and looks like math, that’s TeX-y enough IMO.

Every good logo works without color, even if there is a color version.


Myself, I suggest a Dodo as mascot. (Save the \dodo !)


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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm 
Am 2019-01-30 um 11:09 schrieb Floris van Manen :

>> In fact, having a pictograph instead of / along with 
>> textual content is probably a good idea.
> 
> I do agree ;-)
> 
> 
> Here’s an attempt the blend the lines in plain monochrome …
> The latter having a naive reference to the typical TeX letter dropping

I like this.

There could even be an animated version that links the twi versions (and would 
work in (Lua)iTeX, of course).


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[NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Paul Schalck 
Hello again,

as many critics go towards "I don't see any coherence" or "to me it's just a 
random bunch of colored letters" or "it's hard to read the word CONTEXT", some 
afterthoughts in that regard (difficulty, randomness).

Personally, I like visual material that catches my attention, but does not give 
all away at first glance. For example a good poster or book cover. It invites 
me to spend time on it. And I don't have the feeling that the designer thinks 
I'm stupid. ConTeXt is quite sophisticated, its logo can also be a little bit 
more complicated than your average sportswear brand.

Any color choice is arbitrary to some extend. The colors I've used cover the 
entire hue range and are at equal distance apart (common in multicolored 
designs). This denotes to me not only the flexibility, and the fun of using it, 
but also the comprehensiveness of ConTeXt. Not only can you use ConTeXt in very 
different situations, you can use it in every situation (that requires 
typesetting).

My 2c!

Greetings,

Paul
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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Lars 
Although I don't think that it's a good idea to paint a car which 
doesn't work as it should in uncountable situations, I'd like to make a 
suggestion:


When you're over the decision which tone the blues and reds should have, 
please put an .ico file or similar of the logo into the CTX 
distributions. My wish has to do with the way how Windows handles 
modifications to its user interface (UI). Having a fixed location and 
naming structure for a file icon would be a big improvement.


If the CTX distribution always downloaded the logo.ico to some place 
which I just didn't find yet, ignore this mail.


Thanks sincerly, Lars.

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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread mf 

I agree with Willi.

Kind regards,

Massimiliano

Il 30/01/19 13:50, Willi Egger ha scritto:

Hi,

here my humble personal thoughts:

I would say, that the multicolor version is dissecting the word ConTeXT to 
unidentifiable crumbles. It is to my taste to less connected to typesetting, 
herewith agreeing partly with Clyde.
The experiment of Taco however, has some charm. It includes the basic color of 
the associations blue and it shows nicely the word TeX. - I have no objection 
against a horizontal version, however in that case one might have to think to 
put TeX in its original version. Although we ow all thanks to Don Knuth, I 
believe that we use, as Hans mentions, the TeX logo in typesetting. It is 
therefore not obligatory to reflect this also in the ConTeXt group logo.


I would welcome the version Taco prepared as a logo on the Wiki.

Kind regards

Willi


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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Arthur Reutenauer 
On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 04:02:32PM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
> ok, let me add 1c ... since 2011 in the distribution there is always a file
> context-version.[pdf|png] which is a colorful representation of the current
> context version (date and time) ... probably no one ever noticed it

  I did!  I did! :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz 

On 1/30/19 1:50 PM, Willi Egger wrote:

I would say, that the multicolor version is dissecting the word ConTeXT to 
unidentifiable crumbles. It is to my taste to less connected to typesetting, 
herewith agreeing partly with Clyde.


It is useless to argue about taste, but it may be of interest to see how 
users react. I would agree with Willi. The colors look too random to me. 
A fine-tuned palet with  a smaller range of colors that are visually and 
intuitively related would be preferable, IMHO. But again: de gustibus 
non est disputandum; if Paul likes this look, he should by all means use 
it in his presentations and documents.  And of course, thanks for 
sharing your design with us!


Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Hans Hagen 

On 1/30/2019 10:31 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Hi,

Just a quick note on logo design:

The ConTeXt logo could just as well be a set of tulips or
some (TeX-styled) lion or a dutch cow or a windmill or
some variation off the Pragma-ADE logo (see pragma-ade.com).
There is no real need to display the letters “context”.

In fact, having a pictograph instead of / along with
textual content is probably a good idea.

For use in actual text we already have \CONTEXT.

My 2c,
ok, let me add 1c ... since 2011 in the distribution there is always a 
file context-version.[pdf|png] which is a colorful representation of the 
current context version (date and time) ... probably no one ever noticed 
it (at some point i dropped the icon file)


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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Alan Braslau 
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:58:40 +0100
"Paul Schalck"  wrote:

> @Alan B: I've uploaded MetaPost files of the main version.

MP produced using pstoedit is of little interest; it is not the same as 
generating a graphic naively using MetaPost. Also, writing good MP code is a 
simple and fun exercise and displays the intentions behind any design. ;-)

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[NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Paul Schalck 
Hello,

thank you all again for your reactions. A lot of interesting comments here on 
logo design in general and a ConTeXt logo in particular. I'm honored that the 
new design has found its way into the Wiki, thanks Taco!

@Lukas: I like the idea. Would be worth a try.

@Floris vM: I'm glad that my nemesis on the matter felt himself challenged to 
make his own proposal. While I think it's too minimalistic (only insiders know 
what 'CTX' stands for), I like your idea of the subscript 'T'. Your concept 
with the crosses reminded me of the visual identity of Amsterdam. I do not see, 
however, how it reflects better "typesetting beautiful readable typography". 
And it lacks some colors ,-)

Greetings!

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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Willi Egger 
Hi,

here my humble personal thoughts:

I would say, that the multicolor version is dissecting the word ConTeXT to 
unidentifiable crumbles. It is to my taste to less connected to typesetting, 
herewith agreeing partly with Clyde.
The experiment of Taco however, has some charm. It includes the basic color of 
the associations blue and it shows nicely the word TeX. - I have no objection 
against a horizontal version, however in that case one might have to think to 
put TeX in its original version. Although we ow all thanks to Don Knuth, I 
believe that we use, as Hans mentions, the TeX logo in typesetting. It is 
therefore not obligatory to reflect this also in the ConTeXt group logo. 


I would welcome the version Taco prepared as a logo on the Wiki.

Kind regards

Willi

> On 29 Jan 2019, at 11:32, Taco Hoekwater  wrote:
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> Nice idea, and I actually like the multi-color version although it is a 
> bit too informal for some uses (but could be nice for the wiki).
> 
> It would be more coherent if the color of the squares and the color of 
> the letters trailed each other around the 7 options in the writing order 
> for the word “CONTEXT” (C = orange+blue, O = blue+green, N = green+red 
> etc.) But perhaps that is not what you wanted? 
> 
> On the blue logo I tried a little experiment myself, using the
> colors of http://group.contextgarden.net:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> WDYT?
> 
> Side note: I like what gitlab does with the logo in the circle crop
> for its project icon. I believe it would be neat if that could be 
> formalised into the logo itself, but a simple circle crop does not
> quite look right, and more advanced options like distorting the actual
> squares are outside of my inkscape knowledge. And it may not look 
> that good in the end, anyway …
> 
> I’ll be pleased to replace the current green logo on the wiki with
> your multi-color one, assuming there is a some agreement and no
> strong objections.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Taco
> 
> 
>> On 29 Jan 2019, at 00:18, Paul Schalck  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear ConTeXt users and developers,
>> 
>> I want to submit a new ConTeXt logo to you (link to GitLab project):
>> 
>> https://gitlab.com/schickele/new-context-logo
>> 
>> I made this logo in February 2018. At the time, I was planning to do some 
>> video tutorials on ConTeXt (still work in progress), and I wanted a nice 
>> looking visual clue for the thumbnails. Recently, I made a few minor tweaks 
>> and thought it would be the right time to put it out there.
>> 
>> The logo comes in two different layouts (hexagonal and horizontal), and each 
>> layout comes in two color variations (multicolored and blue).
>> 
>> The hexagonal layout is borrowed from the unofficial ConTeXt logo that has 
>> been around for some time. I like the idea of a clean geometrical form, and 
>> the hexagon reminds me of chemistry formulas -- one of the many application 
>> fields of ConTeXt.
>> 
>> The seven colors have mainly an esthetic purpose. They also denote the 
>> flexibility of ConTeXt. I've added a monochromatic blue version because 
>> shiny, saturated colors are not suitable for every case, and blue is 
>> strongly associated with ConTeXt to me. Blue is also a reminder of Mark IV 
>> and LuaTeX.
>> 
>> The letters are set in Din17 EF, which I've licensed. I like its simple 
>> shapes combined with a round and soft touch. It avoids consciously the very 
>> connoted Computer Modern and can be seen as a modernized and also 
>> Europeanized interpretation of the TeX tradition.
>> 
>> This logo is just a humble proposal. Perhaps it is of some use to someone. 
>> It could also make someone else want to create and share his or her logo -- 
>> that would be great.
>> 
>> I'm using ConTeXt since 2006/07 for almost everything that contains text: 
>> letters, presentations, invitations, résumés, certificates, manuals, 
>> reports, flyers, university papers, book typesetting, exercise sheets, song 
>> sheets, and I'm still amazed by how powerful, flexible and reliable it is. 
>> Thanks to the whole community -- and particularly to the Dutch wizard -- for 
>> making this possible!
>> 
>> Greetings from Leimen, Germany
>> 
>> Paul Schalck
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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Procházka Lukáš Ing . 

Hello,

thanks Paul for the nice job! The colorful hexa-shaped logo seems much prettier.

One point/suggestion - if the letters "TEX" shared the same background - be it e.g. light gray - it might be 
cleaner how to read ("discover") the word "ConTeXt"; it would also keep the hexagonal shape, 
associating chemistry; and it would also indicate or highlight relation to "TeX".

But keep my notion or feeling just personal; the new logo is "nice enough" as 
published on wiki.

Best regards,

Lukas


On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 19:58:40 +0100, Paul Schalck  wrote:


Hello,

thanks for your feedback. Again, I don't want to impose or dismiss anything. I 
wanted to share this because I believed somebody else in the ConTeXt community 
could be interested.

@Taco: Actually, I stumbled upon the nice ConTeXt group logo recently and was wondering who made 
it. To answer your questions: I tried to avoid any logic or rainbow-type color sequence to create 
something more unique. The first square had to be in blue and the middle area in a warm color. (I 
played around a lot with the color combinations.) Regarding the outside circle: I tried different 
variations, with and without a surrounding circle or round background, with and without rounded 
squares, and was most pleased with this solution. It's true, "clean and simple" can 
easily lead to "too informal".

@Clyde J: Valid point. I use the logotype with the subscript 'E' whenever I can 
in inline text.

@Floris vM: Font, spacing, overall appealingness. No Helvetica/Nimbus Sans, 
which has less meaning to me for ConTeXt than a DIN-ish/technical one. Colors 
are fun. If you don't see it this way, it's perfectly fine.

@Alan B: I've uploaded MetaPost files of the main version.

Yes, the horizontal version is not very exciting nor very TeX-aware. I made 
this one primarily because I wanted something small for a little GUI script. 
Now I think it's just superfluous.

Greetings!

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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Floris van Manen 
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 10:15 AM Floris van Manen  wrote:
> If TeX and Context are about typesetting beautiful readable typography,
> the logos as presented do not reflect that thought per se.
> At first glance is is a pile of incoherent letters and colours.
> e.g. difficult to read and memorise.
> 
> 
> perhaps a gradient on background can suggest the right orientation of reading.
> 
> 

Making things complex is easy.
The challenge remains to find a simple solution.

> In fact, having a pictograph instead of / along with
> textual content is probably a good idea.

I do agree ;-)


Here’s an attempt the blend the lines in plain monochrome …
The latter having a naive reference to the typical TeX letter dropping

e.g. always room for improvement ;-)

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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread luigi scarso 
On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 10:15 AM Floris van Manen  wrote:

> If TeX and Context are about typesetting beautiful readable typography,
> the logos as presented do not reflect that thought per se.
> At first glance is is a pile of incoherent letters and colours.
> e.g. difficult to read and memorise.
>


perhaps a gradient on background can suggest the right orientation of
reading.

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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Taco Hoekwater 
Hi,

Just a quick note on logo design:

The ConTeXt logo could just as well be a set of tulips or 
some (TeX-styled) lion or a dutch cow or a windmill or
some variation off the Pragma-ADE logo (see pragma-ade.com). 
There is no real need to display the letters “context”.

In fact, having a pictograph instead of / along with 
textual content is probably a good idea.

For use in actual text we already have \CONTEXT.

My 2c,

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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Taco Hoekwater 
Hi,

While this discussion is going on, it is still the case that Paul’s
new unofficial logo is better than the old green one, so I did 
in fact replace the wiki logo. It will stay up until someone 
comes up with a proposal with a higher level of consensus.

Thanks Paul!

Taco

PS I tried replacing the favicon as well, but the image does
not want to scale down that much, so the favicon is still Patrick’s 
tulips.


> On 30 Jan 2019, at 10:15, Floris van Manen  wrote:
> 
> If TeX and Context are about typesetting beautiful readable typography,
> the logos as presented do not reflect that thought per se.
> At first glance is is a pile of incoherent letters and colours.
> e.g. difficult to read and memorise.


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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Floris van Manen 
If TeX and Context are about typesetting beautiful readable typography,
the logos as presented do not reflect that thought per se.
At first glance is is a pile of incoherent letters and colours.
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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Floris van Manen 
> @Floris vM: Font, spacing, overall appealingness.
> No Helvetica/Nimbus Sans, which has less meaning to me for ConTeXt than a 
> DIN-ish/technical one.
> Colors are fun.

Could you elaborate on how ‘fun’ in colors is defined?
I see no coherency in the color palet.


> If you don’t see it this way, it’s perfectly fine.
> 

Apparently i see different ;-)
How about a one color logo without any text?


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[NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Paul Schalck 
Hello,

thanks for your feedback. Again, I don't want to impose or dismiss anything. I 
wanted to share this because I believed somebody else in the ConTeXt community 
could be interested.

@Taco: Actually, I stumbled upon the nice ConTeXt group logo recently and was 
wondering who made it. To answer your questions: I tried to avoid any logic or 
rainbow-type color sequence to create something more unique. The first square 
had to be in blue and the middle area in a warm color. (I played around a lot 
with the color combinations.) Regarding the outside circle: I tried different 
variations, with and without a surrounding circle or round background, with and 
without rounded squares, and was most pleased with this solution. It's true, 
"clean and simple" can easily lead to "too informal".

@Clyde J: Valid point. I use the logotype with the subscript 'E' whenever I can 
in inline text.

@Floris vM: Font, spacing, overall appealingness. No Helvetica/Nimbus Sans, 
which has less meaning to me for ConTeXt than a DIN-ish/technical one. Colors 
are fun. If you don't see it this way, it's perfectly fine.

@Alan B: I've uploaded MetaPost files of the main version.

Yes, the horizontal version is not very exciting nor very TeX-aware. I made 
this one primarily because I wanted something small for a little GUI script. 
Now I think it's just superfluous.

Greetings!

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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Alan Braslau 
On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 11:32:40 +0100
Taco Hoekwater  wrote:

> It would be more coherent if the color of the squares and the color of 
> the letters trailed each other around the 7 options in the writing order 
> for the word “CONTEXT” (C = orange+blue, O = blue+green, N = green+red 
> etc.) But perhaps that is not what you wanted? 

AND, any logo should be produced using MetaPost...
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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Hans Hagen 

On 1/29/2019 11:32 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Hi Paul,

Nice idea, and I actually like the multi-color version although it is a
bit too informal for some uses (but could be nice for the wiki).


which brings us to the wiki ... which still needs a bit more fancy css ...


It would be more coherent if the color of the squares and the color of
the letters trailed each other around the 7 options in the writing order
for the word “CONTEXT” (C = orange+blue, O = blue+green, N = green+red
etc.) But perhaps that is not what you wanted?

On the blue logo I tried a little experiment myself, using the
colors of http://group.contextgarden.net:



WDYT?

Side note: I like what gitlab does with the logo in the circle crop
for its project icon. I believe it would be neat if that could be
formalised into the logo itself, but a simple circle crop does not
quite look right, and more advanced options like distorting the actual
squares are outside of my inkscape knowledge. And it may not look
that good in the end, anyway …

I’ll be pleased to replace the current green logo on the wiki with
your multi-color one, assuming there is a some agreement and no
strong objections.

Best wishes,
Taco


On 29 Jan 2019, at 00:18, Paul Schalck > wrote:


Dear ConTeXt users and developers,

I want to submit a new ConTeXt logo to you (link to GitLab project):

https://gitlab.com/schickele/new-context-logo

I made this logo in February 2018. At the time, I was planning to do 
some video tutorials on ConTeXt (still work in progress), and I wanted 
a nice looking visual clue for the thumbnails. Recently, I made a few 
minor tweaks and thought it would be the right time to put it out there.


The logo comes in two different layouts (hexagonal and horizontal), 
and each layout comes in two color variations (multicolored and blue).


The hexagonal layout is borrowed from the unofficial ConTeXt logo that 
has been around for some time. I like the idea of a clean geometrical 
form, and the hexagon reminds me of chemistry formulas -- one of the 
many application fields of ConTeXt.


The seven colors have mainly an esthetic purpose. They also denote the 
flexibility of ConTeXt. I've added a monochromatic blue version 
because shiny, saturated colors are not suitable for every case, and 
blue is strongly associated with ConTeXt to me. Blue is also a 
reminder of Mark IV and LuaTeX.


The letters are set in Din17 EF, which I've licensed. I like its 
simple shapes combined with a round and soft touch. It avoids 
consciously the very connoted Computer Modern and can be seen as a 
modernized and also Europeanized interpretation of the TeX tradition.


This logo is just a humble proposal. Perhaps it is of some use to 
someone. It could also make someone else want to create and share his 
or her logo -- that would be great.


I'm using ConTeXt since 2006/07 for almost everything that contains 
text: letters, presentations, invitations, résumés, certificates, 
manuals, reports, flyers, university papers, book typesetting, 
exercise sheets, song sheets, and I'm still amazed by how powerful, 
flexible and reliable it is. Thanks to the whole community -- and 
particularly to the Dutch wizard -- for making this possible!


Greetings from Leimen, Germany

Paul Schalck
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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Hans Hagen 

On 1/29/2019 11:42 AM, Clyde Johnston wrote:

The design is new, interesting and refreshing but being a traditionalist, I 
can't help think that it steps a little too far away from its TeX roots.  
ConTeXt is a derivation of TeX, a creation of Donald Knuth.  Here is what he 
said about the logo for TeX:

   "English words like 'technology' stem from a Greek root beginning with the 
letters τεχ...; and this same Greek word means art as well as technology.  Hence the name 
TeX, which is an uppercase for of τεχ."

And:

   "... it's important to notice another thing about TeX's name: The 'E' is out of 
kilter. This displaced 'E' is a reminder that TeX is about typesetting, and it 
distinguishes TeX from other system names."

The new design loses this characteristic and therefore does not distinguish it "from 
other system names".  The same could be said for the unofficial logo on wiki.

Personally, I think the ConTeXt logo should maintain the link with TeX and its 
design principles.  After all, that is how ConTeXt derived its name and 
functionality.  But this is just my opinion!
But the \TeX thing is the in running text used one so that will always 
stay texie.


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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Hans Hagen 

On 1/29/2019 2:01 PM, Floris van Manen wrote:

i can imagine these numbers being language dependent .. not all languages have 
the X

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabble

so you use english .. dutch is not bad either with 20


i agree, we need a native \scrabblescore function to add the total letter score 
at the end of each document typeset by context ;-)


This is the scrabble coun tof the luatex manual:

mkiv lua stats  > scrabble count: 513167 characters with a grand total 
of 790781


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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Hans Hagen 

On 1/29/2019 12:44 PM, Floris van Manen wrote:

As it is now, to me it is not so much of an improvement.
What are you trying to improve over the original?


(For the horizontal version, i’d prefer at least the correct letter 
values in place ;-)

interesting: it adds up to 16

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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Floris van Manen 
As it is now, to me it is not so much of an improvement.
What are you trying to improve over the original?


(For the horizontal version, i’d prefer at least the correct letter values in 
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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Clyde Johnston 
The design is new, interesting and refreshing but being a traditionalist, I 
can't help think that it steps a little too far away from its TeX roots.  
ConTeXt is a derivation of TeX, a creation of Donald Knuth.  Here is what he 
said about the logo for TeX:

  "English words like 'technology' stem from a Greek root beginning with the 
letters τεχ...; and this same Greek word means art as well as technology.  
Hence the name TeX, which is an uppercase for of τεχ."

And:

  "... it's important to notice another thing about TeX's name: The 'E' is out 
of kilter. This displaced 'E' is a reminder that TeX is about typesetting, and 
it distinguishes TeX from other system names."

The new design loses this characteristic and therefore does not distinguish it 
"from other system names".  The same could be said for the unofficial logo on 
wiki.

Personally, I think the ConTeXt logo should maintain the link with TeX and its 
design principles.  After all, that is how ConTeXt derived its name and 
functionality.  But this is just my opinion!

Clyde


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To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Subject: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

Dear ConTeXt users and developers,

I want to submit a new ConTeXt logo to you (link to GitLab project):

https://gitlab.com/schickele/new-context-logo

I made this logo in February 2018. At the time, I was planning to do some video 
tutorials on ConTeXt (still work in progress), and I wanted a nice looking 
visual clue for the thumbnails. Recently, I made a few minor tweaks and thought 
it would be the right time to put it out there.

The logo comes in two different layouts (hexagonal and horizontal), and each 
layout comes in two color variations (multicolored and blue).

The hexagonal layout is borrowed from the unofficial ConTeXt logo that has been 
around for some time. I like the idea of a clean geometrical form, and the 
hexagon reminds me of chemistry formulas -- one of the many application fields 
of ConTeXt.

The seven colors have mainly an esthetic purpose. They also denote the 
flexibility of ConTeXt. I've added a monochromatic blue version because shiny, 
saturated colors are not suitable for every case, and blue is strongly 
associated with ConTeXt to me. Blue is also a reminder of Mark IV and LuaTeX.

The letters are set in Din17 EF, which I've licensed. I like its simple shapes 
combined with a round and soft touch. It avoids consciously the very connoted 
Computer Modern and can be seen as a modernized and also Europeanized 
interpretation of the TeX tradition.

This logo is just a humble proposal. Perhaps it is of some use to someone. It 
could also make someone else want to create and share his or her logo -- that 
would be great.

I'm using ConTeXt since 2006/07 for almost everything that contains text: 
letters, presentations, invitations, résumés, certificates, manuals, reports, 
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I'm still amazed by how powerful, flexible and reliable it is. Thanks to the 
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Re: [NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Taco Hoekwater 
Hi Paul,

Nice idea, and I actually like the multi-color version although it is a 
bit too informal for some uses (but could be nice for the wiki).

It would be more coherent if the color of the squares and the color of 
the letters trailed each other around the 7 options in the writing order 
for the word “CONTEXT” (C = orange+blue, O = blue+green, N = green+red 
etc.) But perhaps that is not what you wanted? 

On the blue logo I tried a little experiment myself, using the
colors of http://group.contextgarden.net:




WDYT?

Side note: I like what gitlab does with the logo in the circle crop
for its project icon. I believe it would be neat if that could be 
formalised into the logo itself, but a simple circle crop does not
quite look right, and more advanced options like distorting the actual
squares are outside of my inkscape knowledge. And it may not look 
that good in the end, anyway …

I’ll be pleased to replace the current green logo on the wiki with
your multi-color one, assuming there is a some agreement and no
strong objections.

Best wishes,
Taco


> On 29 Jan 2019, at 00:18, Paul Schalck  wrote:
> 
> Dear ConTeXt users and developers,
> 
> I want to submit a new ConTeXt logo to you (link to GitLab project):
> 
> https://gitlab.com/schickele/new-context-logo
> 
> I made this logo in February 2018. At the time, I was planning to do some 
> video tutorials on ConTeXt (still work in progress), and I wanted a nice 
> looking visual clue for the thumbnails. Recently, I made a few minor tweaks 
> and thought it would be the right time to put it out there.
> 
> The logo comes in two different layouts (hexagonal and horizontal), and each 
> layout comes in two color variations (multicolored and blue).
> 
> The hexagonal layout is borrowed from the unofficial ConTeXt logo that has 
> been around for some time. I like the idea of a clean geometrical form, and 
> the hexagon reminds me of chemistry formulas -- one of the many application 
> fields of ConTeXt.
> 
> The seven colors have mainly an esthetic purpose. They also denote the 
> flexibility of ConTeXt. I've added a monochromatic blue version because 
> shiny, saturated colors are not suitable for every case, and blue is strongly 
> associated with ConTeXt to me. Blue is also a reminder of Mark IV and LuaTeX.
> 
> The letters are set in Din17 EF, which I've licensed. I like its simple 
> shapes combined with a round and soft touch. It avoids consciously the very 
> connoted Computer Modern and can be seen as a modernized and also 
> Europeanized interpretation of the TeX tradition.
> 
> This logo is just a humble proposal. Perhaps it is of some use to someone. It 
> could also make someone else want to create and share his or her logo -- that 
> would be great.
> 
> I'm using ConTeXt since 2006/07 for almost everything that contains text: 
> letters, presentations, invitations, résumés, certificates, manuals, reports, 
> flyers, university papers, book typesetting, exercise sheets, song sheets, 
> and I'm still amazed by how powerful, flexible and reliable it is. Thanks to 
> the whole community -- and particularly to the Dutch wizard -- for making 
> this possible!
> 
> Greetings from Leimen, Germany
> 
> Paul Schalck
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[NTG-context] New logo proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Paul Schalck 
Dear ConTeXt users and developers,

I want to submit a new ConTeXt logo to you (link to GitLab project):

https://gitlab.com/schickele/new-context-logo

I made this logo in February 2018. At the time, I was planning to do some video 
tutorials on ConTeXt (still work in progress), and I wanted a nice looking 
visual clue for the thumbnails. Recently, I made a few minor tweaks and thought 
it would be the right time to put it out there.

The logo comes in two different layouts (hexagonal and horizontal), and each 
layout comes in two color variations (multicolored and blue).

The hexagonal layout is borrowed from the unofficial ConTeXt logo that has been 
around for some time. I like the idea of a clean geometrical form, and the 
hexagon reminds me of chemistry formulas -- one of the many application fields 
of ConTeXt.

The seven colors have mainly an esthetic purpose. They also denote the 
flexibility of ConTeXt. I've added a monochromatic blue version because shiny, 
saturated colors are not suitable for every case, and blue is strongly 
associated with ConTeXt to me. Blue is also a reminder of Mark IV and LuaTeX.

The letters are set in Din17 EF, which I've licensed. I like its simple shapes 
combined with a round and soft touch. It avoids consciously the very connoted 
Computer Modern and can be seen as a modernized and also Europeanized 
interpretation of the TeX tradition.

This logo is just a humble proposal. Perhaps it is of some use to someone. It 
could also make someone else want to create and share his or her logo -- that 
would be great.

I'm using ConTeXt since 2006/07 for almost everything that contains text: 
letters, presentations, invitations, résumés, certificates, manuals, reports, 
flyers, university papers, book typesetting, exercise sheets, song sheets, and 
I'm still amazed by how powerful, flexible and reliable it is. Thanks to the 
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possible!

Greetings from Leimen, Germany

Paul Schalck
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