Re: [NTG-context] Sections with additional dot: a little request

2006-02-20 Thread Hans Hagen
Mojca Miklavec wrote:

 \setuplabeltext
   [sl]
   [chapter={{},{.}}]
 

 Thanks a lot. It's an interesting trick.
   
it's actually meant for that, it was introduced some years ago when chinese 
needed such features 

Hans 


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Re: [NTG-context] Sections with additional dot: a little request

2006-02-19 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On 2/18/06, Hans Hagen wrote:
 Mojca Miklavec wrote:
  Hello Hans,
 
  The sections in Slovenian have to be numbered wih dots at the end:
 
  1. Introduction
  2. Contents
  2.1. Subsection
  2.1.1. Subsubsection
  2.1.2. Subsubsection
  2.2. Subsection
  2.3. Subsection
  3. Bibliography
 
  rather than
 
  1  Introduction
  2  Contents
  2.1  Subsection
  2.1.1  Subsubsection
  2.1.2  Subsubsection
  2.2  Subsection
  2.3  Subsection
  3  Bibliography
 
  There are many commands in ConTeXt which support delimiter key, but
  here the delimiter already stands for the dot delimiting subsequent
  numbers in this case.
 
 a quick way out:

 \setuplabeltext
   [sl]
   [chapter={{},{.}}]

Thanks a lot. It's an interesting trick.

 it is no problem to provide some language dependent conversion handling, but 
 then i'd like to implement everything at once (i know that hungarian also has 
 special demands).

 so ... best is t o start meking a 'document' with proposed extensions (to 
 which other users can add their wishes); most of what you need, is not that 
 hard to implement, but i'd like to do it all at once

Wiki is a perfect place for such a thing. (I also have some other
half-written page about language support to be placed there.)

I can only hope that anyone is reading this and will reply or leave a
note on the wiki about his or her requests.

Thanks,
   Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Sections with additional dot: a little request

2006-02-18 Thread Hans Hagen
Mojca Miklavec wrote:
 Hello Hans,

 The sections in Slovenian have to be numbered wih dots at the end:

 1. Introduction
 2. Contents
 2.1. Subsection
 2.1.1. Subsubsection
 2.1.2. Subsubsection
 2.2. Subsection
 2.3. Subsection
 3. Bibliography

 rather than

 1  Introduction
 2  Contents
 2.1  Subsection
 2.1.1  Subsubsection
 2.1.2  Subsubsection
 2.2  Subsection
 2.3  Subsection
 3  Bibliography

 There are many commands in ConTeXt which support delimiter key, but
 here the delimiter already stands for the dot delimiting subsequent
 numbers in this case.
   
a quick way out: 

\setuplabeltext
  [sl]
  [chapter={{},{.}}]

\starttext

\chapter{whatever}

\mainlanguage[sl]

\chapter{whatever}

\stoptext

(we can extend that to other numbered things

it is no problem to provide some language dependent conversion handling, but 
then i'd like to implement everything at once (i know that hungarian also has 
special demands). 

so ... best is t o start meking a 'document' with proposed extensions (to which 
other users can add their wishes); most of what you need, is not that hard to 
implement, but i'd like to do it all at once 

Hans 


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[NTG-context] Sections with additional dot: a little request

2006-02-17 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Hello Hans,

The sections in Slovenian have to be numbered wih dots at the end:

1. Introduction
2. Contents
2.1. Subsection
2.1.1. Subsubsection
2.1.2. Subsubsection
2.2. Subsection
2.3. Subsection
3. Bibliography

rather than

1  Introduction
2  Contents
2.1  Subsection
2.1.1  Subsubsection
2.1.2  Subsubsection
2.2  Subsection
2.3  Subsection
3  Bibliography

There are many commands in ConTeXt which support delimiter key, but
here the delimiter already stands for the dot delimiting subsequent
numbers in this case.

There's a possible solution listed on
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Dotted_number_in_caption, ie:

\def\Dot#1{#1.}
\setuphead[section][numbercommand=\Dot]
\setuplist[section][numbercommand=\Dot]
\setuplist[subsection][numbercommand=\Dot]
\setuplist[subsubsection][numbercommand=\Dot]

but this cannot be built into languagespecifics as such since it
interferes with user-defined numbercommands (if the user defines his
own numbercommand, the dot would disapear).

This is low-priority (can be circumvented and done properly if
needed), but I would be very glad if an additional keyword  its
setting could make its way into languagespecifics once in the future
if possible.

LaTeX people did that (not aplicable to ConTeXt at all):

\renewcommand\thepart [EMAIL PROTECTED]@part}
\renewcommand\thesection  [EMAIL PROTECTED]@section.}
\renewcommand\thesubsection   [EMAIL PROTECTED]@subsection}
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@subsubsection}
\renewcommand\theparagraph[EMAIL PROTECTED]@paragraph}
\renewcommand\thesubparagraph [EMAIL PROTECTED]@subparagraph}

\renewcommand\appendix{\par
  \setcounter{section}{0}%
  \setcounter{subsection}{0}%
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]@section.}}


Also, Part 1 may be written as 1. poglavje (with dot) or Poglavje
1 (without dot), so there has to remain an option to remove a dot
only for a certain title if necessary.

The only online reference I know (list of mistakes in babel) is
written in Slovenian
http://nl.ijs.si/gnusl/tex/tslovene/slolang/node98.html-l2#SECTION0002031400
but I guess that the content can at least partially be evident from
the TeX sources.

Once again the same comment as the last time with itemizing. If this
will ever be implemented and added, it will change the behaviour (and
break the old behaviour in a way), but I guess that there are not so
many people typesetting Slovenian in ConTeXt yet. There will be less
harm if a few old documents are fixed than if tons of other newer
documents are typeset wrong.

Thanks a lot,
Mojca
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