Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Alan Stone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
\starttypescript[myFonts]
\definetypeface [mySerifFont] [rm] [serif] [mySerifFont] [default]
\definetypeface [mySansFont] [ss] [sans] [mySansFont] [default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[myFonts]
\definetypeface [myFonts] [rm] [serif] [mySerifFont] [default]
\definetypeface [myFonts] [ss] [sans] [mySansFont] [default]
\stoptypescript
You need the same name for both typefaces.
Are you sure ?
You're playing games with me, do you?
This works though...
\setuppapersize [A4][A4]
\starttypescript [serif] [mySerifFont]
\definefontsynonym [mySerifFontRegular] [name:Times New Roman]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySerifFontItalic] [name:Times New Roman Italic]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySerifFontBold] [name:Times New Roman Bold]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySerifFontBoldItalic] [name:Times New Roman Bold
Italic] [features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [serif] [mySerifFont]
\setups[font:fallback:serif]
\definefontsynonym [Serif] [mySerifFontRegular]
\definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [mySerifFontItalic]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [mySerifFontBold]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [mySerifFontBoldItalic]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [mySansFont]
\definefontsynonym [mySansFontRegular] [name:Arial] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySansFontItalic] [name:Arial Italic]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySansFontBold] [name:Arial Bold] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySansFontBoldItalic] [name:Arial Bold Italic]
[features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [mySansFont]
\setups[font:fallback:sans]
\definefontsynonym [Sans] [mySansFontRegular]
\definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [mySansFontItalic]
\definefontsynonym [SansBold] [mySansFontBold]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [mySansFontBoldItalic]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[myFonts]
\definetypeface [mySerifFont] [rm] [serif] [mySerifFont] [default]
\definetypeface [mySansFont] [ss] [sans] [mySansFont] [default]
\stoptypescript
\usetypescript[myFonts]
\setupbodyfont[mySerifFont,12pt]
\definefont[myChapterFont][mySansFontRegular sa 1.728]
\setuphead[chapter][style=\mySansFont\myChapterFont]
This works ow because you load the typeface in the chapter settings
but in your last mail you used only the \myChapter Font without the
default typeface from \setupbodyfont.
\starttext
\chapter{chapter test}
\section{section test}
text test
\stoptext
Regards,
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 3:25 PM, John Culleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 19 July 2008 06:03:43 am Alan Stone wrote: On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Charles P. Schaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With Ubuntu and fonts there are several things going on. Which begets the question... Regarding font installation, detection and other (non font related) issues which occur recurrently when working with (Con)TeX(t), which GNU/Linux distribution(s) is(/are) most user-friendly ? Alan I just avoid font miseries by relying mostly on the \font primitive. The complexities of creating and using typescripts etc. take too much time and too much head scratching. I do use the Texfont utility to create the necessary font bits and pieces when I buy a new type 1 font. Typescript for XeTeX and LuaTeX are written in a few minutes and you can use all font switches you can't use if you define them with \font. All the aliases etc. in Context don't help me much. I simply define the needed fonts in the sizes I will use. If I need another size I just copy the \font statement, change the font name and change the size parameter. For nimbus bold condensed I end up with fonts named numbux nimbuy nimbua etc. This is of course not the Context way, but it saves me time and grief. I depend on texlive in my Slackware 12.1 distro. Slack comes with tetex but AFAIK that is no longer updated. Therefore I don't bother to include it when building Slack. I install texlive from the cdr and then modify /etc/profile by adding /usr/local/texlive/2007/bin/i386-linux: to the PATH= string. Thus far the versions of Context (mkii) and pdftex etc. found on texlive have been stable and reliable. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
You're playing games with me, do you? Nope. I'm playing with ctx/ltx, testing by trial and error what's possible. You need the same name for both typefaces. Hmmm... I was definitely interpreting this too literally then. Thanks for your support enabling me to better understand ctx/ltx font handling and typescripts. Best, Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
\starttypescript[myFonts]
\definetypeface [mySerifFont] [rm] [serif] [mySerifFont] [default]
\definetypeface [mySansFont] [ss] [sans] [mySansFont] [default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[myFonts]
\definetypeface [myFonts] [rm] [serif] [mySerifFont] [default]
\definetypeface [myFonts] [ss] [sans] [mySansFont] [default]
\stoptypescript
You need the same name for both typefaces.
Are you sure ?
This works though...
\setuppapersize [A4][A4]
\starttypescript [serif] [mySerifFont]
\definefontsynonym [mySerifFontRegular] [name:Times New Roman]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySerifFontItalic] [name:Times New Roman Italic]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySerifFontBold] [name:Times New Roman Bold]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySerifFontBoldItalic] [name:Times New Roman Bold
Italic] [features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [serif] [mySerifFont]
\setups[font:fallback:serif]
\definefontsynonym [Serif] [mySerifFontRegular]
\definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [mySerifFontItalic]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [mySerifFontBold]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [mySerifFontBoldItalic]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [mySansFont]
\definefontsynonym [mySansFontRegular] [name:Arial] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySansFontItalic] [name:Arial Italic]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySansFontBold] [name:Arial Bold] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySansFontBoldItalic] [name:Arial Bold Italic]
[features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [mySansFont]
\setups[font:fallback:sans]
\definefontsynonym [Sans] [mySansFontRegular]
\definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [mySansFontItalic]
\definefontsynonym [SansBold] [mySansFontBold]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [mySansFontBoldItalic]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[myFonts]
\definetypeface [mySerifFont] [rm] [serif] [mySerifFont] [default]
\definetypeface [mySansFont] [ss] [sans] [mySansFont] [default]
\stoptypescript
\usetypescript[myFonts]
\setupbodyfont[mySerifFont,12pt]
\definefont[myChapterFont][mySansFontRegular sa 1.728]
\setuphead[chapter][style=\mySansFont\myChapterFont]
\starttext
\chapter{chapter test}
\section{section test}
text test
\stoptext
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Charles P. Schaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With Ubuntu and fonts there are several things going on. Which begets the question... Regarding font installation, detection and other (non font related) issues which occur recurrently when working with (Con)TeX(t), which GNU/Linux distribution(s) is(/are) most user-friendly ? Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
On Saturday 19 July 2008 06:03:43 am Alan Stone wrote: On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Charles P. Schaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With Ubuntu and fonts there are several things going on. Which begets the question... Regarding font installation, detection and other (non font related) issues which occur recurrently when working with (Con)TeX(t), which GNU/Linux distribution(s) is(/are) most user-friendly ? Alan I just avoid font miseries by relying mostly on the \font primitive. The complexities of creating and using typescripts etc. take too much time and too much head scratching. I do use the Texfont utility to create the necessary font bits and pieces when I buy a new type 1 font. All the aliases etc. in Context don't help me much. I simply define the needed fonts in the sizes I will use. If I need another size I just copy the \font statement, change the font name and change the size parameter. For nimbus bold condensed I end up with fonts named numbux nimbuy nimbua etc. This is of course not the Context way, but it saves me time and grief. I depend on texlive in my Slackware 12.1 distro. Slack comes with tetex but AFAIK that is no longer updated. Therefore I don't bother to include it when building Slack. I install texlive from the cdr and then modify /etc/profile by adding /usr/local/texlive/2007/bin/i386-linux: to the PATH= string. Thus far the versions of Context (mkii) and pdftex etc. found on texlive have been stable and reliable. -- John Culleton Resources for every author and publisher: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf http://wexfordpress.com/tex/packagers.pdf http://www.creativemindspress.com/newbiefaq.htm http://www.gropenassoc.com/TopLevelPages/reference%20desk.htm ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Alan Stone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Wolfgang.
calm down.
Done.
I've let some steam off earlier on.OoOo:O)
\setuphead[chapter][style=\
myHeadingsFont\myChapterFont]
You have to load 'myHeadingsfont' typescript before you can use
them because they are not available on outer level, only fonts used
as bodyfont can be accesed without this selection.
That works indeed.
I found the information to solve your problem in the fonts manual and
you should read it if you need more information.
Oh, the number of times I read it. One more time a moment ago.
Sooo... the Da Fonti Code is hidden in there. In which section of the manual
did you find the clue ?
I found at page 9 and 9 what I needed.
In my quest to further understand how this stuff works, I've been testing
the following...
\setuppapersize [A4][A4]
\starttypescript [serif] [mySerifFont]
\definefontsynonym [mySerifFontRegular] [name:Times New Roman]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySerifFontItalic] [name:Times New Roman Italic]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySerifFontBold] [name:Times New Roman Bold]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySerifFontBoldItalic] [name:Times New Roman Bold
Italic] [features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [serif] [mySerifFont]
\setups[font:fallback:serif]
\definefontsynonym [Serif] [mySerifFontRegular]
\definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [mySerifFontItalic]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [mySerifFontBold]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [mySerifFontBoldItalic]
\stoptypescript
%\starttypescript [mySerifFont]
%\definetypeface [mySerifFont] [rm] [serif] [mySerifFont] [default]
%\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [mySansFont]
\definefontsynonym [mySansFontRegular] [name:Arial] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySansFontItalic] [name:Arial Italic]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySansFontBold] [name:Arial Bold] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySansFontBoldItalic] [name:Arial Bold Italic]
[features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [mySansFont]
\setups[font:fallback:sans]
\definefontsynonym [Sans] [mySansFontRegular]
\definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [mySansFontItalic]
\definefontsynonym [SansBold] [mySansFontBold]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [mySansFontBoldItalic]
\stoptypescript
%\starttypescript [mySansFont]
%\definetypeface [mySansFont] [ss] [sans] [mySansFont] [default]
%\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[myFonts]
\definetypeface [mySerifFont] [rm] [serif] [mySerifFont] [default]
\definetypeface [mySansFont] [ss] [sans] [mySansFont] [default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[myFonts]
\definetypeface [myFonts] [rm] [serif] [mySerifFont] [default]
\definetypeface [myFonts] [ss] [sans] [mySansFont] [default]
\stoptypescript
You need the same name for both typefaces.
\usetypescript[myFonts]
\setupbodyfont[mySerifFont,12pt]% this displays the correct font
%\setupbodyfont[mySansFont,12pt]% this displays the correct font
\setupbodyfont[myFonts]
\definefont[myChapterFont][mySansFont sa 1.728] % compile error at line
57 with (2) [and (1)]
%\definefont[myChapterFont][Arial sa 1.728] % this works with
(1), compile error at line 57 with (2)
%\definefont[myChapterFont][Sans sa 1.728] % defaults to LM
font with (1), compile error at line 57 with (2)
%\setuphead[chapter][style=\myChapterFont] % (1)
%\setuphead[chapter][style=\myFonts\myChapterFont] % (2)
%\setuphead[chapter][style=\tfc\mySansFont] % (3) this
works
\starttext
\chapter{chapter test} % line 57
\section{section test}
text test
\stoptext
Looking for further clues.
Alan
P.S. Resistance is futile Fontzi...I will assimilate you!
I will add to my todo list Write a few lines about font installation
for XeTeX and LuaTeX and how to use them in style keys.
Regards,
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Diego Depaoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/17 Wolfgang Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Diego Depaoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/16 Alan Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [snip] Many thanks in advance for your enlightening help. For some obscure reason right fontnames are linked with wrong filenames. This is the output of mtxrun --script fonts --list on my system [...] times new romanTimes New Roman Times_New_Roman.ttf (real filename times.ttf) times new roman bold Times New Roman Bold Times_New_Roman_Bold.ttf (real filename timesbd.ttf) and so on... Hi Diego, Alans entries for the font names are correct because the files have different names on Mac with spaces in them. Understood... but this issue still exists in Ubuntu with such fonts imported from Windows. Where mtxrun catches fonts filenames? Hi Diego, we are talking about two differents things, what you mean is the filename of the fonts you could access with [file:...] in typescripts and which is different on Windows (and all other where the core font packages are used) and on Mac. The font name is another thing and can be different from the file name, you could access fonts by font name with [name:...] in MkIV and this name should (not sure if this is so) be the same on both systems. Regards, Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
I will add to my todo list Write a few lines about font installation for XeTeX and LuaTeX and how to use them in style keys. Here ? http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Fonts_in_LuaTex Olivier. -- [Message tapé sur un clavier Bépo : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ] http://nemolivier.blogspot.com ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
Thanks a lot for your helpful comments Wolfgang. I will add to my todo list Write a few lines about font installation for XeTeX and LuaTeX and how to use them in style keys. With the bits and pieces of information ( current and outdated ) about these matters presently being scattered all over the place, an updated guide will definitely be very useful for newbies ( and oldies ? ), speeding up their comprehension and enabling them to focus on what's important, i.e. productive issues, using ConText with LuaTeX/XeTeX. Have a great weekend, Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
Yes, please. I totally agree with Alan. Sorry if I insist. Best -a- On 18 Jul 2008, at 22:45, Alan Stone wrote: Thanks a lot for your helpful comments Wolfgang. I will add to my todo list Write a few lines about font installation for XeTeX and LuaTeX and how to use them in style keys. With the bits and pieces of information ( current and outdated ) about these matters presently being scattered all over the place, an updated guide will definitely be very useful for newbies ( and oldies ? ), speeding up their comprehension and enabling them to focus on what's important, i.e. productive issues, using ConText with LuaTeX/XeTeX. Have a great weekend, Alan __ _ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net __ _ -- Andrea Valle -- CIRMA - DAMS Università degli Studi di Torino -- http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ -- http://www.myspace.com/andreavalle -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Think of it as seasoning . noise [salt] is boring . F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring . F(noise, blah) can be really tasty (Ken Perlin on noise) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
With Ubuntu and fonts there are several things going on. Generally, the system-wide fonts are kept under /usr/share/fonts An alternate place could be /usr/local/fonts That, however, is usually empty because packages put fonts in named directories, e.g., in the ttf dir in /usr/share/fonts TeX-related fonts basically sit in the texmf tree, usually in /usr/share/texmf-texlive/fonts You can also add your own into /usr/share/texmf/fonts Or you can put fonts into ~/.fonts and into your (correct me if I err) ~/.texmf-var/fonts THEN there's defoma, the Debian Font Manager, and I am not sure what ramifications exist there. There is a way to make things like otf fonts in your texmf trees visible to defoma, but I have yet to RTFMP, except to install the cm-super XII package. HTH Charles On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 23:22 +0200, Diego Depaoli wrote: 2008/7/18 Wolfgang Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: but this issue still exists in Ubuntu with such fonts imported from Windows. Where mtxrun catches fonts filenames? Hi Diego, Hello Wolfgang, we are talking about two differents things, what you mean is the filename of the fonts you could access with [file:...] in typescripts and which is different on Windows (and all other where the core font packages are used) and on Mac. The font name is another thing and can be different from the file name, you could access fonts by font name with [name:...] in MkIV and this name should (not sure if this is so) be the same on both systems. That's clear to me, but my question was about the wrong correspondence between font names and filename. As I wrote mtxrun --script fonts --lists showed filenames which I didn't find anywhere, so I thought mtxrun rewrote them. Repeating the same procedure under FreeBSD all goes right. Perhaps in my Ubuntu system there is more than one Times New Roman, Arial..., (even I don't know where they live) and this confused ConTeXt. Next time I boot Ubuntu, I'll search in the whole filesystem. Thanks for the answer and sorry for the noise. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Diego Depaoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/16 Alan Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [snip] Many thanks in advance for your enlightening help. For some obscure reason right fontnames are linked with wrong filenames. This is the output of mtxrun --script fonts --list on my system [...] times new romanTimes New Roman Times_New_Roman.ttf (real filename times.ttf) times new roman bold Times New Roman Bold Times_New_Roman_Bold.ttf (real filename timesbd.ttf) and so on... You must rename the files (tested, it works) or change [name:Times New Roman] with [file:times] in your typescript (untested) Cheers Hi Diego, Alans entries for the font names are correct because the files have different names on Mac with spaces in them. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
Hi Alan,
calm down.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Alan Stone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(1) \definefont[myChapterFont][myHeadingsFont sa 1.728]
You could either use a real font name like 'Arial' or a symbolic name
defined with \definefontsynonym like 'Serif', 'SerifBold', 'Sans',
'Dummy-Regular' etc. in the second argument of \definefont but not
the name for a font collection defined with \definetype, in your case
\definefont[myChapterFont][Sans sa 1.728]
or
\definefont[myChapterFont][DummyRegular sa 1.728]
So ( and considering the example at
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Chapters_headers )
I tried...
\setuppapersize [A4][A4]
\starttypescript [serif] [myBodyFont]
\definefontsynonym [myBodyFontRegular] [name:Times New Roman]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [myBodyFontItalic] [name:Times New Roman Italic]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [myBodyFontBold] [name:Times New Roman Bold]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [myBodyFontBoldItalic] [name:Times New Roman Bold
Italic] [features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [serif] [myBodyFont]
\setups[font:fallback:serif]
\definefontsynonym [Serif] [myBodyFontRegular]
\definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [myBodyFontItalic]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [myBodyFontBold]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [myBodyFontBoldItalic]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [myBodyFont]
\definetypeface [myBodyFont] [rm] [serif] [myBodyFont] [default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [myHeadingsFont]
\definefontsynonym [myHeadingsFontRegular] [name:Arial]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [myHeadingsFontItalic] [name:Arial Italic]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [myHeadingsFontBold] [name:Arial Bold]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [myHeadingsFontBoldItalic] [name:Arial Bold Italic]
[features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [myHeadingsFont]
\setups[font:fallback:sans]
\definefontsynonym [Sans] [myHeadingsFontRegular]
\definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [myHeadingsFontItalic]
\definefontsynonym [SansBold] [myHeadingsFontBold]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [myHeadingsFontBoldItalic]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [myHeadingsFont]
\definetypeface [myHeadingsFont] [ss] [sans] [myHeadingsFont] [default]
\stoptypescript
\usetypescript[myBodyFont]
\usetypescript[myHeadingsFont]
\setupbodyfont[myBodyFont,12pt]% this works: body font displays in the
correct font
%\definefont[myChapterFont][myHeadingsFontRegular sa 1.728] % compile
error at line 51: WHY ?
\definefont[myChapterFont][Arial sa
1.728] % only this works: WHY ?
%\definefont[myChapterFont][Sans sa 1.728]
% defaults to default LM font for line 51: WHY ?
%\setuphead[chapter][style=myChapterFont]
\setuphead[chapter][style=\myChapterFont]
\setuphead[chapter][style=\myHeadingsFont\myChapterFont]
You have to load 'myHeadingsfont' typescript before you can use
them because they are not available on outer level, only fonts used
as bodyfont can be accesed without this selection.
\starttext
\chapter{chapter test} % line 51
\section{section test}
text test
\stoptext
Many thanks in advance for your enlightening help.
I found the information to solve your problem in the fonts manual and
you should read it if you need more information.
http://pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mfonts.pdf
Regards,
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Alan Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (1) \definefont[myChapterFont][myHeadingsFont sa 1.728] You could either use a real font name like 'Arial' or a symbolic name defined with \definefontsynonym like 'Serif', 'SerifBold', 'Sans', 'Dummy-Regular' etc. in the second argument of \definefont but not the name for a font collection defined with \definetype, in your case \definefont[myChapterFont][Sans sa 1.728] or \definefont[myChapterFont][DummyRegular sa 1.728] So ( and considering the example at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Chapters_headers ) I tried... The example use the two symbolic names Regular and RegularBold which are defined as synonyms for Serif and SerifBold wich are itself will always work because they result in the current serif regular and serif bold style independant of the font. Regards, Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
Thanks Wolfgang.
calm down.
Done.
I've let some steam off earlier on.OoOo:O)
\setuphead[chapter][style=\
myHeadingsFont\myChapterFont]
You have to load 'myHeadingsfont' typescript before you can use
them because they are not available on outer level, only fonts used
as bodyfont can be accesed without this selection.
That works indeed.
I found the information to solve your problem in the fonts manual and
you should read it if you need more information.
Oh, the number of times I read it. One more time a moment ago.
Sooo... the Da Fonti Code is hidden in there. In which section of the manual
did you find the clue ?
In my quest to further understand how this stuff works, I've been testing
the following...
\setuppapersize [A4][A4]
\starttypescript [serif] [mySerifFont]
\definefontsynonym [mySerifFontRegular] [name:Times New Roman]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySerifFontItalic] [name:Times New Roman Italic]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySerifFontBold] [name:Times New Roman Bold]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySerifFontBoldItalic] [name:Times New Roman Bold
Italic] [features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [serif] [mySerifFont]
\setups[font:fallback:serif]
\definefontsynonym [Serif] [mySerifFontRegular]
\definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [mySerifFontItalic]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [mySerifFontBold]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [mySerifFontBoldItalic]
\stoptypescript
%\starttypescript [mySerifFont]
%\definetypeface [mySerifFont] [rm] [serif] [mySerifFont] [default]
%\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [mySansFont]
\definefontsynonym [mySansFontRegular] [name:Arial] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySansFontItalic] [name:Arial Italic]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySansFontBold] [name:Arial Bold] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [mySansFontBoldItalic] [name:Arial Bold Italic]
[features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [mySansFont]
\setups[font:fallback:sans]
\definefontsynonym [Sans] [mySansFontRegular]
\definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [mySansFontItalic]
\definefontsynonym [SansBold] [mySansFontBold]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [mySansFontBoldItalic]
\stoptypescript
%\starttypescript [mySansFont]
%\definetypeface [mySansFont] [ss] [sans] [mySansFont] [default]
%\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[myFonts]
\definetypeface [mySerifFont] [rm] [serif] [mySerifFont] [default]
\definetypeface [mySansFont] [ss] [sans] [mySansFont] [default]
\stoptypescript
\usetypescript[myFonts]
\setupbodyfont[mySerifFont,12pt]% this displays the correct font
%\setupbodyfont[mySansFont,12pt]% this displays the correct font
\definefont[myChapterFont][mySansFont sa 1.728] % compile error at line
57 with (2) [and (1)]
%\definefont[myChapterFont][Arial sa 1.728] % this works with
(1), compile error at line 57 with (2)
%\definefont[myChapterFont][Sans sa 1.728] % defaults to LM
font with (1), compile error at line 57 with (2)
%\setuphead[chapter][style=\myChapterFont] % (1)
%\setuphead[chapter][style=\myFonts\myChapterFont] % (2)
%\setuphead[chapter][style=\tfc\mySansFont] % (3) this
works
\starttext
\chapter{chapter test} % line 57
\section{section test}
text test
\stoptext
Looking for further clues.
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
2008/7/17 Wolfgang Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Diego Depaoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/16 Alan Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [snip] Many thanks in advance for your enlightening help. For some obscure reason right fontnames are linked with wrong filenames. This is the output of mtxrun --script fonts --list on my system [...] times new romanTimes New Roman Times_New_Roman.ttf (real filename times.ttf) times new roman bold Times New Roman Bold Times_New_Roman_Bold.ttf (real filename timesbd.ttf) and so on... Hi Diego, Alans entries for the font names are correct because the files have different names on Mac with spaces in them. Understood... but this issue still exists in Ubuntu with such fonts imported from Windows. Where mtxrun catches fonts filenames? Cheers -- Diego Depaoli ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
2008/7/16 Alan Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [snip] Many thanks in advance for your enlightening help. For some obscure reason right fontnames are linked with wrong filenames. This is the output of mtxrun --script fonts --list on my system [...] times new romanTimes New Roman Times_New_Roman.ttf (real filename times.ttf) times new roman bold Times New Roman Bold Times_New_Roman_Bold.ttf (real filename timesbd.ttf) and so on... You must rename the files (tested, it works) or change [name:Times New Roman] with [file:times] in your typescript (untested) Cheers -- Diego Depaoli ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Losing my patience with (understanding) ConTeXt/LuaTeX's font handling... [ re: Whacko font behaviour ? ( Or Am I ? :O) ]
I missed... 2008/7/17 Diego Depaoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You must rename the files (tested, it works with --lua and --xtx switches ) -- Diego Depaoli ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
