Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
2010/3/15 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl: I figured out that loading \input spec-tst.mkii before \setupinteraction[state=start] works as expected in MKII (but then - the backward compatibility is broken as well since one would have to load the tex version of that file in past). Loading it after doesn't have any influence. It would be really nice if there was some more elegant way to use UTF-8 in bookmarks than \input spec-tst.mkii. i'll merge the tst code into the other spec files Hans Works now! Thanks! P.S. In case you want a testcase that breaks with --xtx for me, it's attached. -- Vedran Miletić rm12-dz-papir.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document rm12-dz-papir.tex Description: TeX document ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
By the way, XeTeX also breaks, but in a different way. Računalne
mreže becomes RaÄ“unalne mreže. Same option also doesn't do
anything.
MkIV works nicely, and I know I should probably be using that, but
LaTeX with hyperref can do unicode bookmarks in both XeTeX and pdfTeX,
so it would be really cool if ConTeXt would be able to do it as well.
Hm, i wonder what goes wrong, so can you make a test file? I was under the
impression that context could do it before latex if only because it was used
to test the entries when that feature was added to pdftex so maybe
soemthing got lost (it might also be that some ecodings work better than
others, so let's assume utf)
I figured out that loading \input spec-tst.mkii before
\setupinteraction[state=start] works as expected in MKII (but then -
the backward compatibility is broken as well since one would have to
load the tex version of that file in past). Loading it after doesn't
have any influence.
It would be really nice if there was some more elegant way to use
UTF-8 in bookmarks than \input spec-tst.mkii.
For me the bookmarks in XeTeX seem to work fine.
Mojca
%%% only for pdftex
\enableregime
[utf-8]
\input spec-tst.mkii
%%%
\setupinteraction
[state=start]
\placebookmarks
[chapter,section,subsection]
[chapter,section]
\setupinteractionscreen
[option=bookmark]
\starttext
\section{Čisto prva}
\page
\section{še druga}
\page
\section{In žadnja}
\section{Računalne mreže}
\stoptext
bookmark.tex
Description: TeX document
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On 15-3-2010 14:53, Mojca Miklavec wrote: By the way, XeTeX also breaks, but in a different way. Računalne mreže becomes RaÄ“unalne mreže. Same option also doesn't do anything. MkIV works nicely, and I know I should probably be using that, but LaTeX with hyperref can do unicode bookmarks in both XeTeX and pdfTeX, so it would be really cool if ConTeXt would be able to do it as well. Hm, i wonder what goes wrong, so can you make a test file? I was under the impression that context could do it before latex if only because it was used to test the entries when that feature was added to pdftex so maybe soemthing got lost (it might also be that some ecodings work better than others, so let's assume utf) I figured out that loading \input spec-tst.mkii before \setupinteraction[state=start] works as expected in MKII (but then - the backward compatibility is broken as well since one would have to load the tex version of that file in past). Loading it after doesn't have any influence. It would be really nice if there was some more elegant way to use UTF-8 in bookmarks than \input spec-tst.mkii. i'll merge the tst code into the other spec files Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Datuma 8. ožujka 2010. 15:36 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com je napisao/la: does \PDFunicodetrue help No. (I remember there were some threads about that in past though, but I don't remember the outcome.) Mojca It doesn't change anything. By the way, XeTeX also breaks, but in a different way. Računalne mreže becomes RaÄ“unalne mreže. Same option also doesn't do anything. MkIV works nicely, and I know I should probably be using that, but LaTeX with hyperref can do unicode bookmarks in both XeTeX and pdfTeX, so it would be really cool if ConTeXt would be able to do it as well. Regards, -- Vedran Miletić ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On 14-3-2010 22:06, Vedran Miletić wrote: Datuma 8. ožujka 2010. 15:36 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com je napisao/la: does \PDFunicodetrue help No. (I remember there were some threads about that in past though, but I don't remember the outcome.) Mojca It doesn't change anything. By the way, XeTeX also breaks, but in a different way. Računalne mreže becomes RaÄ“unalne mreže. Same option also doesn't do anything. MkIV works nicely, and I know I should probably be using that, but LaTeX with hyperref can do unicode bookmarks in both XeTeX and pdfTeX, so it would be really cool if ConTeXt would be able to do it as well. Hm, i wonder what goes wrong, so can you make a test file? I was under the impression that context could do it before latex if only because it was used to test the entries when that feature was added to pdftex so maybe soemthing got lost (it might also be that some ecodings work better than others, so let's assume utf) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Hi Guys,
The verbatim or listings of MKIV sucks. Here's a little sample:
\definetyping[code][numbering=line]
\starttext
\startcode
...
...
\stopcode
\startcode[continue]
...
...
\stopcode
\startcode[start=10]
...
...
\stopcode
\typefile[numbering=file]{test.tex}
\stoptext
It can not work with MKIV that shows.
1 ...
2 ...
10 ...
11 ...
1 ...
2 ...
\definetyping[code][numbering=line]
\starttext
\startcode
...
...
\stopcode
\startcode[continue]
...
...
\stopcode
\startcode[start=10]
...
...
\stopcode
\typefile[numbering=file]{test.tex}
\stoptext
Best regards,
Joshua
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Hi all,
ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing,
what feature or package do you miss which is already available in
another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
2010/2/8 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com: Hi all, ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Wolfgang One very small thing that works fine in MKIV but not in MKII: when I put PDF title that has characters with caron, in MKII they turn into ASCII counterparts when compiling. E.g. Računalne mreže becomes Racunalne mreze. pdfLaTeX has no problems with that (with proper packages, at least). Vedran Miletić ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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Hi everyone, I remembered another capability that I'd love to see integrated with ConTeXt somehow – automated graph layout. It would be great if there were a ConTeXt module that supported GraphXML or another XML graph format, so that users could draw graphs using GUI tools and then let the module typeset the graphs in MetaPost. I imagine the setups for the module would allow users to pass layout hints and styles to the layout engine. Kevin On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Dne sreda 10. februarja 2010 ob 09:56:37 je Matija Šuklje napisal(a): Dne sreda 10. februarja 2010 ob 09:50:28 je Robert Blackstone napisal(a): I would be very happy if I could make a Bibliography with several sections. (This wish has been expressed on this list before and I just want to add my vote to it.) I think it was me (probably amongst others) who suggested this. I looked again at what features I would need added to the bibliography and it's mainly two things: 1) Possibility to have several sections in the bibliography; 2) and advanced ordering of it. Use case: What my faculty wants from me (and it's not an uncommon request AFAIK) is to have the bibliography at the end of the thesis divided into sections: * books (* books with more then one author) * chapters from reviews, collections etc. * articles * laws, legal acts, conventions etc. * internet And then inside every section they want the entries to be alphabetically ordered by surnames of the authors or editors (as applicable). Cheers, Matija -- gsm: +386 41 849 552 www: http://matija.suklje.name xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org GPG/PGP: FB64 FFAF B8DA 5AB5 B18A 98B8 2B68 0B51 0549 D278 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On 11-2-2010 9:43, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
Am 08.02.2010 um 12:25 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
Hi all,
ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system
or unavailable in any TeX system?
I miss a command to force a manual line break at any point in a \hyphenatedurl
string.
Like, e.g. * in
\hyphenatedurl{http://www.a_ridiculous_very_long_alpanum*eric_sequence}
i've added
\def\hyphenatedurldiscretionary{*}
\hsize1cm \hyphenatedurl{*xx}
but it defaults to
\def\hyphenatedurldiscretionary{}
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Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl writes: On 9-2-2010 19:21, Kevin D. Robbins wrote: I dream of a flexible changebar module (similar to the LaTeX changebar package) with Lua drivers so I can run something like: context --mark-changes foo1 foo2 to produce a (possibly mangled) output TeX file that when built produces a PDF with changebars in the margin, additions/deletions/modifications in colored text, etc. I would want the Lua drivers to work with the project/product/component structure, so that I could quickly markup the changes in all the products in a project, just one product, or even just one component. it's not that hard to build something like that I would think that would be an extremely useful feature in technical environment, where all document changes need to be reviewed and precisely recorded. It certainly would be for me. -- John Devereux ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com writes: Hi all, ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? I asked before why ConTeXt does not flag incorrect parameters, I seem to recall the answer was that it would slow things down too much. But a command line switch to do this would be very useful. And as always, better (more complete) documentation on the commands available and what they and their parameters actually *do*. -- John Devereux ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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Am 13.02.10 13:24, schrieb John Devereux:
I asked before why ConTeXt does not flag incorrect parameters, I seem to
recall the answer was that it would slow things down too much. But a
command line switch to do this would be very useful.
Already available for MkIV (mult-chk.mkiv):
\starttext
\testfeatureonce{1}{\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=b,c= d, e =
f]} % 0.20 seconds
\enablecheckparameters
\testfeatureonce{1}{\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=b,c= d, e =
f]} % 0.35 seconds
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=a]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][b= b]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][c = c]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][d = d d , e = e ,f = f ]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][g={oeps {oeps}}]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][crap=whatever]
\startlines
[a:\getvalue{xxa}][a]
[b:\getvalue{xxb}][b]
[c:\getvalue{xxc}][c]
[d:\getvalue{xxd}][d d ]
[e:\getvalue{xxe}][e ]
[f:\getvalue{xxf}][f ]
[g:\getvalue{xxg}][\detokenize\expandafter{\xxg}]
\stoplines
\setvalidparameterkeys[test][crap]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][crap=whatever]
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com a écrit : Hi all, ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Indeed I miss a huge documentation. A very good one is the documentation for Tikz : starts with case- studies then encyclopaedic définitions. Maybe a less supra-human task : a site with example as texample (always for tikz) : http://www.texample.net/ . We learn a lot seeing the way others do. Eric DÉTREZ Maths PC* Info MP* Lycée Faidherbe Lille ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com writes:
Am 13.02.10 13:24, schrieb John Devereux:
I asked before why ConTeXt does not flag incorrect parameters, I seem to
recall the answer was that it would slow things down too much. But a
command line switch to do this would be very useful.
Already available for MkIV (mult-chk.mkiv):
\starttext
\testfeatureonce{1}{\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=b,c= d, e =
f]} % 0.20 seconds
\enablecheckparameters
\testfeatureonce{1}{\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=b,c= d, e =
f]} % 0.35 seconds
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][a=a]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][b= b]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][c = c]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][d = d d , e = e ,f = f ]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][g={oeps {oeps}}]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][crap=whatever]
\startlines
[a:\getvalue{xxa}][a]
[b:\getvalue{xxb}][b]
[c:\getvalue{xxc}][c]
[d:\getvalue{xxd}][d d ]
[e:\getvalue{xxe}][e ]
[f:\getvalue{xxf}][f ]
[g:\getvalue{xxg}][\detokenize\expandafter{\xxg}]
\stoplines
\setvalidparameterkeys[test][crap]
\getcheckedparameters[test][xx][crap=whatever]
\stoptext
Wolfgang
Hi Wolfgang.
That is a bit beyond me... I am guessing this means that there is now a
facility whereby certain commands could be instrumented? In the future?
What I was asking for was a general switch that could turn on
parameter error checking for all commands. (Perhaps the work involved is
too much).
--
John Devereux
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Am 08.02.2010 um 12:25 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
Hi all,
ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX
system or unavailable in any TeX system?
I miss a command to force a manual line break at any point in a \hyphenatedurl
string.
Like, e.g. * in
\hyphenatedurl{http://www.a_ridiculous_very_long_alpanum*eric_sequence}
Steffen
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Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
Am 08.02.2010 um 12:25 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
Hi all,
ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system
or unavailable in any TeX system?
I miss a command to force a manual line break at any point in a \hyphenatedurl
string.
Like, e.g. * in
\hyphenatedurl{http://www.a_ridiculous_very_long_alpanum*eric_sequence}
+1 for this idea.
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On 11-2-2010 9:43, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
Am 08.02.2010 um 12:25 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
Hi all,
ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system
or unavailable in any TeX system?
I miss a command to force a manual line break at any point in a \hyphenatedurl
string.
Like, e.g. * in
\hyphenatedurl{http://www.a_ridiculous_very_long_alpanum*eric_sequence}
is * never part of a url then?
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is * never part of a url then? - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - According to RFC 1738 from IETF, * is used only as a wildcard, e.g. to denote all newsgroups from specific category. It is never used for specifiying a single URL. Regards, -- Vedran Miletić ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On Mon, Feb 08 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX
system or unavailable in any TeX system?
Hello Wolfgang,
It would be nice, to specify a background-color for some text, but without
that the background of one line touches the background of the line below.
Illustration of what I'm looking for:
\setupinterlinespace[line=1cm] % just to make the example more obvious
\definetextbackground[myBG][background=color, backgroundcolor=green,
% backgroundheight=1ex, % does not work
% height=1ex, % does not work
frame=off]
\starttext
bla bla \startmyBG \dorecurse{30}{bla }\stopmyBG bla bla
\stoptext
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On Mon, Feb 08 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Hello, What about collecting these feature requests somewhere at a central point, for example at http://tracker.luatex.org/ and keeping their status updated. It would also be nice, to have milestones attached to each request, so that users know how long to wait. Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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Vedran Miletić wrote: is * never part of a url then? According to RFC 1738 from IETF, * is used only as a wildcard, e.g. to denote all newsgroups from specific category. It is never used for specifiying a single URL. Still, * can appear unencoded in any url, in either pathinfo or in GET arguments, so * is not always the best thing to use. It is better have it configurable (but default to *) Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Le 10 févr. 2010 à 03:04, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit:
Am 10.02.10 10:07, schrieb Sebastien Mengin:
1. French quotation marks
\quotation{...}
There I should probably dive in the doc cause I'd be surprised nothing
is set up for the following issue, but, in French, if we have a
quotation in a quotation, the second pair of quotation marks shoud
appear as `` and ''.
\quotation{Citation \quotation{exemple}}
If I do \quotation{Citation ``exemple''} the result is incorrect.
\quotation{Citation \quote{exemple}}
Right, thanks.
I'd like to be able to do « Citation ``citation'' », though.
(Put clearly, I'm not sure I like the \quotaion{} mecanism.)
At the moment, the : `` actually prints literally, instead of printing
an english left double-quote.
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Am 11.02.2010 um 10:37 schrieb Hans Hagen:
On 11-2-2010 9:43, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
Am 08.02.2010 um 12:25 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
Hi all,
ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX
system or unavailable in any TeX system?
I miss a command to force a manual line break at any point in a
\hyphenatedurl string.
Like, e.g. * in
\hyphenatedurl{http://www.a_ridiculous_very_long_alpanum*eric_sequence}
is * never part of a url then?
This was just an example. Maybe | is a better glyph.
Is this the only problem to find a character that is not used as part of a
valid URL?
Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Thursday 11 February 2010 11:10:19 Sebastien Mengin wrote:
Le 10 févr. 2010 à 03:04, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit:
Am 10.02.10 10:07, schrieb Sebastien Mengin:
1. French quotation marks
\quotation{...}
There I should probably dive in the doc cause I'd be surprised nothing
is set up for the following issue, but, in French, if we have a
quotation in a quotation, the second pair of quotation marks shoud
appear as `` and ''.
\quotation{Citation \quotation{exemple}}
If I do \quotation{Citation ``exemple''} the result is incorrect.
\quotation{Citation \quote{exemple}}
Right, thanks.
I'd like to be able to do « Citation ``citation'' », though.
(Put clearly, I'm not sure I like the \quotaion{} mecanism.)
At the moment, the : `` actually prints literally, instead of printing
an english left double-quote.
In this case, use: « Citation “citation” »
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Am 11.02.2010 um 11:08 schrieb Taco Hoekwater: Vedran Miletić wrote: is * never part of a url then? According to RFC 1738 from IETF, * is used only as a wildcard, e.g. to denote all newsgroups from specific category. It is never used for specifiying a single URL. Still, * can appear unencoded in any url, in either pathinfo or in GET arguments, so * is not always the best thing to use. It is better have it configurable (but default to *) Yes. To have it configurable sounds great ;o) Steffen ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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Le 11 févr. 2010 à 11:12, Steffen Wolfrum a écrit:
I miss a command to force a manual line break at any point in a
\hyphenatedurl string.
Like, e.g. * in
\hyphenatedurl{http://www.a_ridiculous_very_long_alpanum*eric_sequence}
+1 also.
is * never part of a url then?
This was just an example. Maybe | is a better glyph.
What about ¶ ?
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On Thu, Feb 11 2010, Vedran Miletić wrote: According to RFC 1738 from IETF, * is used only as a wildcard, e.g. to denote all newsgroups from specific category. It is never used for specifiying a single URL. So, http://pmrb.free.fr/tmp/file*with*stars; is not allowed??? Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Peter Münster wrote: On Thu, Feb 11 2010, Vedran Miletić wrote: According to RFC 1738 from IETF, * is used only as a wildcard, e.g. to denote all newsgroups from specific category. It is never used for specifiying a single URL. So, http://pmrb.free.fr/tmp/file*with*stars; is not allowed??? No, the RFC only says that news:*; has a defined meaning. You can have * in lots of locations in an URL, just not in scheme or domain names. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On 11-2-2010 10:55, Peter Münster wrote:
\setupinterlinespace[line=1cm] % just to make the example more obvious
\definetextbackground[myBG][background=color, backgroundcolor=green,
% backgroundheight=1ex, % does not work
% height=1ex, % does not work
frame=off]
\starttext
bla bla \startmyBG \dorecurse{30}{bla }\stopmyBG bla bla
\stoptext
\starttext
\startbuffer
\definebar
[backbar]
[offset=1.5,rulethickness=2.4,color=blue,
continue=yes,order=background]
\definebar
[forebar]
[offset=1.5,rulethickness=2.4,color=blue,
continue=yes,order=foreground]
\stopbuffer
\typebuffer \getbuffer
The following example code looks messy but this has to do with
the fact that we want properly spaced sample injection.
\startbuffer
from here
\startcolor[white]%
\startbar[backbar]%
\input zapf
\removeunwantedspaces
\stopbar
\stopcolor
\space till here
\blank
from here
\startbar[forebar]%
\input zapf
\removeunwantedspaces
\stopbar
\space till here
\stopbuffer
\typebuffer \getbuffer
\stoptext
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On Thu, Feb 11 2010, Hans Hagen wrote: \definebar [backbar] [offset=1.5,rulethickness=2.4,color=blue, continue=yes,order=background] Great, many thanks for this hidden feature! What is the logic behind offset and rulethickness (the units and the reference point)? (I played a bit with offset=0 and different rulethicknesses...) Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On 11-2-2010 14:48, Peter Münster wrote: On Thu, Feb 11 2010, Hans Hagen wrote: \definebar [backbar] [offset=1.5,rulethickness=2.4,color=blue, continue=yes,order=background] Great, many thanks for this hidden feature! What is the logic behind offset and rulethickness (the units and the reference point)? (I played a bit with offset=0 and different rulethicknesses...) will be in an upcoming maps article and i'm hesitant to put the text online before it's published see end of node-rul.mkiv ... you can do underline etc by manipulating these values Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Wolfgang Thanks for asking, Wolfgang. I would like support for more fonts out of the box (in the minimals). For example it would be really nice to be able to use utopia+fourier ( http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/fourier-GUT/ ) charter+mathdesign ( http://tug.ctan.org/cgi-bin/ctanPackageInformation.py?id=mathdesign ) Mikael ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On Tue, Feb 09 2010, Hans Hagen wrote: On 9-2-2010 23:30, Peter Münster wrote: In the current version of MKIV, there is no support for language-specifics, so there is actually no support for switching back from French to another language. in mkiv language specific features are and will be part of the mechanisms themselves (and are then driven by mainlanguage) Ok, then I just don't know how to use them... 1. the 1. paragraph of each section is indented (LATEX only); 2. the default items in itemize environment 3. vertical spacing in general LATEX lists is shortened; to me these sounds like a design issue, not related to french I agree. The module is just for people like Sebastien, who like to find the same things as in the frenchb LaTeX package. At some point, someone should decide, what is triggered by \mainlanguage[fr] and what is provided by such french-module. For me, \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation] is the border case. 2. `double punctuation' (: ; ! ?) is made active remark: in mkiv not active using active chars as we have better mechanisms Of course, the module is for mkiv and uses \setcharacterspacing. Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On 10-2-2010 9:22, Peter Münster wrote: At some point, someone should decide, what is triggered by \mainlanguage[fr] and what is provided by such french-module. For me, \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation] is the border case. the problem is that there's always a dominant language in a document and i think it's not a good idea to have french punctuation in a french quotation in an english text even if it's doable Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On 10-2-2010 8:55, Alan BRASLAU wrote: $ diff lang-ita.tex lang-ita.tex.orig 268c268 \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!chapter=Chapitre] --- \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!chapter=] 276c276 \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!section=Section] --- \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!section=] 284c284 \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsection=Soussection] --- \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsection=] 292c292 \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsection=Soussoussection] --- \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsection=] 300c300 \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsubsection=Soussoussoussection] --- \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsubsection=] 308c308 \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!appendix=Annexe] --- \setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!appendix=] we can add them commented as i don't think that users want to see Chapter 1 every time BTW, in this file, some texts have trailing spaces and some do not. This is probably a bug? no, figure~1 and so Also, some strings have unicode characters and some have escaped accents. This also should probably be cleaned-up. at some point we can have mkii and mkiv versions (keep in mind that mkii uses them too and there we can have whatever encoding) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On Mon, Feb 8, 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote Hi all, ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Wolfgang I would be very happy if I could make a Bibliography with several sections. (This wish has been expressed on this list before and I just want to add my vote to it.) Robert Blackstone ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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Dne sreda 10. februarja 2010 ob 09:50:28 je Robert Blackstone napisal(a): I would be very happy if I could make a Bibliography with several sections. (This wish has been expressed on this list before and I just want to add my vote to it.) I think it was me (probably amongst others) who suggested this. +1 Cheers, Matija -- gsm: +386 41 849 552 www: http://matija.suklje.name xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org GPG/PGP: FB64 FFAF B8DA 5AB5 B18A 98B8 2B68 0B51 0549 D278 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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Le 09 févr. 2010 à 11:30, Peter Münster a écrit:
Hello Sebastien,
Hi Peter,
Thanks for your interest.
Anyway, it was not the latest version.
In the current version of MKIV, there is no support for language-specifics,
so there is actually no support for switching back from French to another
language.
Did you have a look at the doc I posted yesterday?
Yes. I attach a recent t-french.tex file, that supports most of frenchb.
ok, I just installed the current ConTeXt minimal and your module works
fine.
4. footnotes are displayed à la française.
What is this?
The footnote mark is not superscript and followed by a dot.
5. the space after \dots is removed in French.
There is no space.
Comment: \dots actually produces a space, not \ldots.
1. French quotation marks
\quotation{...}
There I should probably dive in the doc cause I'd be surprised nothing
is set up for the following issue, but, in French, if we have a
quotation in a quotation, the second pair of quotation marks shoud
appear as `` and ''.
\quotation{Citation \quotation{exemple}}
If I do \quotation{Citation ``exemple''} the result is incorrect.
4. Commands \primo, \secundo, \tertio and \quarto print 1o, 2o, 3o, 4o.
\FrenchEnumerate{6} prints 6o.
obtained via the commands \No, \Nos, \no, \nos.
6. Two commands are provided to typeset the symbol for \degre
No.
You mean: not for the moment?
8. A command \nombre was provided in 1.x versions to easily format numbers
\dorecurse6{
\setdigitmode \recurselevel\relax
\recurselevel: \digits{12.345,90} \digits{12.345.000} \digits{1,23}\par}
The third item of this example is correct in French.
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Le 09 févr. 2010 à 11:48, Hans Hagen a écrit: 1. the 1. paragraph of each section is indented (LATEX only); 2. the default items in itemize environment 3. vertical spacing in general LATEX lists is shortened; to me these sounds like a design issue, not related to french Note that the frenchb package aims at typesetting documents following the instructions provided by the Imprimerie nationale guide. This guide is not a typographic code that rules for every case everywhere, but it is generally admitted as a good base for typesetting french documents. So true, there are design issue that are dealt by default if one loads that package in LaTeX. -- Sébastien Mengin Édition et logiciels libres Mise en page avec LaTeX http://edilibre.net ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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Le 10 févr. 2010 à 09:33, Hans Hagen a écrit: On 10-2-2010 9:22, Peter Münster wrote: At some point, someone should decide, what is triggered by \mainlanguage[fr] and what is provided by such french-module. For me, \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation] is the border case. the problem is that there's always a dominant language in a document and i think it's not a good idea to have french punctuation in a french quotation in an english text even if it's doable If I get you right, does it mean that if I want to write a bilingual, say french/english, document, I can't use \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation] and have to deal with punctuation issues manually for both languages ? -- Sébastien Mengin Édition et logiciels libres Mise en page avec LaTeX http://edilibre.net ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On Wednesday 10 February 2010 09:36:10 Hans Hagen wrote: we can add them commented as i don't think that users want to see Chapter 1 every time I have raised this question before. In fact, the strings *should* be defined by the language and some (other) mechanism (option) should activate them in the headings or not. Of course, they could (or should) by default be inactive. BTW, in this file, some texts have trailing spaces and some do not. This is probably a bug? no, figure~1 and so So some trailing spaces are missing in the file that I sent... Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On 10-2-2010 10:45, Sebastien Mengin wrote: Le 10 févr. 2010 à 09:33, Hans Hagen a écrit: On 10-2-2010 9:22, Peter Münster wrote: At some point, someone should decide, what is triggered by \mainlanguage[fr] and what is provided by such french-module. For me, \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation] is the border case. the problem is that there's always a dominant language in a document and i think it's not a good idea to have french punctuation in a french quotation in an english text even if it's doable If I get you right, does it mean that if I want to write a bilingual, say french/english, document, I can't use \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation] and have to deal with punctuation issues manually for both languages ? you can use it, the question is, does it make sense to use different typo in a french quotation in an english text (just as one is not going to change the indentation then) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On Wednesday 10 February 2010 10:07:26 Sebastien Mengin wrote:
4. Commands \primo, \secundo, \tertio and \quarto print 1o, 2o, 3o, 4o.
\FrenchEnumerate{6} prints 6o.
obtained via the commands \No, \Nos, \no, \nos.
6. Two commands are provided to typeset the symbol for \degre
No.
You mean: not for the moment?
Of course, should be 1°, 2°.
I believe that No means that \primo, \secundo, ... and \No, \Nos, ...
make absolutely NO sense in mkiv, nor does \degre as we have unicode input.
Nothing, of course, prevents a user from defining \degre, etc.
if he/she prefers to write input in this way.
(I suppose that one could take a similar position on other, traditional
TeX definitions like \ldots and many others...)
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 10:52:22 Hans Hagen wrote: On 10-2-2010 10:45, Sebastien Mengin wrote: Le 10 févr. 2010 à 09:33, Hans Hagen a écrit: On 10-2-2010 9:22, Peter Münster wrote: At some point, someone should decide, what is triggered by \mainlanguage[fr] and what is provided by such french-module. For me, \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation] is the border case. the problem is that there's always a dominant language in a document and i think it's not a good idea to have french punctuation in a french quotation in an english text even if it's doable If I get you right, does it mean that if I want to write a bilingual, say french/english, document, I can't use \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation] and have to deal with punctuation issues manually for both languages ? you can use it, the question is, does it make sense to use different typo in a french quotation in an english text (just as one is not going to change the indentation then) Yes it does! The spacing, punctuation, hyphenation and other particularities associated with a language should be respected, even if there may be one dominant language. BTW, we should add franglais, as this is often my dominant tongue! Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On 10-2-2010 11:12, Alan BRASLAU wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 10:52:22 Hans Hagen wrote: On 10-2-2010 10:45, Sebastien Mengin wrote: Le 10 févr. 2010 à 09:33, Hans Hagen a écrit: On 10-2-2010 9:22, Peter Münster wrote: At some point, someone should decide, what is triggered by \mainlanguage[fr] and what is provided by such french-module. For me, \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation] is the border case. the problem is that there's always a dominant language in a document and i think it's not a good idea to have french punctuation in a french quotation in an english text even if it's doable If I get you right, does it mean that if I want to write a bilingual, say french/english, document, I can't use \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation] and have to deal with punctuation issues manually for both languages ? you can use it, the question is, does it make sense to use different typo in a french quotation in an english text (just as one is not going to change the indentation then) Yes it does! The spacing, punctuation, hyphenation and other particularities associated with a language should be respected, even if there may be one dominant language. some english english quote blabla french quote ... makes most sense to me if here we use the english quotes and not the french ones in the second case; hyphenation of course is always following the language anyhow, it's no big deal to configure things Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 11:34:15 you wrote:
some english english quote blabla french quote ...
makes most sense to me if here we use the english quotes and not the
french ones in the second case;
I don't do things that way, rather:
“some English” followed by « une citation en français ».
\quotation{some English} followed by
{\fr\quotation{une citation en français}}
but perhaps I am wrong and this is not correct style…
Now I also understand why \quotation{\fr une citation} doesn't work.
Alan
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+1 for this, but they are type1 fonts (legacy) does they support Cyrillic? I would like support for more fonts out of the box (in the minimals). For example it would be really nice to be able to use utopia+fourier (http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/fourier-GUT/ ) charter+mathdesign ( http://tug.ctan.org/cgi-bin/ctanPackageInformation.py?id=mathdesign ) Mikael Vyatcheslav ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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Am 10.02.10 10:07, schrieb Sebastien Mengin:
1. French quotation marks
\quotation{...}
There I should probably dive in the doc cause I'd be surprised nothing
is set up for the following issue, but, in French, if we have a
quotation in a quotation, the second pair of quotation marks shoud
appear as `` and ''.
\quotation{Citation \quotation{exemple}}
If I do \quotation{Citation ``exemple''} the result is incorrect.
\quotation{Citation \quote{exemple}}
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Am 10.02.10 09:00, schrieb Mikael Persson: I would like support for more fonts out of the box (in the minimals). For example it would be really nice to be able to use utopia+fourier ( http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/fourier-GUT/ ) charter+mathdesign ( http://tug.ctan.org/cgi-bin/ctanPackageInformation.py?id=mathdesign ) MkIV has support for the Charter and the Mathdesign fonts. \definetypafec[charter][rm][serif][charter] [default] %\definetypafec[charter][mm][math] [mathdesignch][default] \definetypafec[charter][mm][math] [charter] [default] What's missing are the fonts but they are already on the server [1], Mojca should be able to tell you how you can install them. [1] http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/fonts/extra/ Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 03:50:27 Curiouslearn wrote: I hope (and this perhaps has nothing to do with the brilliant Context development team) is that journals start accepting Context files. While I use context for my personal and class notes, for articles I am still forced to go to latex because journals do not accept context files. In fact, not many journals even accept LaTeX: I sometimes have to submit so-called .txt files! As Otared Kavian pointed out, the mathematics journals are a bit more advanced (as are the purely physics journals), and LaTeX is even a standard. Unfortunately, arXiv.org (still) has problems with ConTeXt, as the submitted source is detected as TeX but the compilation fails. One is thus obligated to translate to LaTeX: Your (La)TeX, AMS(La)TeX, or PDFLaTeX submission will be processed automatically by our AutoTeX software. Now, if only my administration and funding agencies would stop sending MS-Word files... Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?:
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 09:29 PM, David Rogers) wrote: ConTeXt itself has beautiful support for side-by-side translations. It makes me happy every time I look at the results. But... it works only on separate pages. Making it work on columns as well would make my life easier. (May be impossible, but you asked...) |Original Language|First Translation|Second Translation| |Bla bla bla ... |Blu blu blu ... |Ble ble ble ... | Hi David, For what it is worth, I have done side by side Italian-English texts in columns with the help of paragraphs. I wanted the Italian original slanted. So In the preamble I have \defineparagraphs[mypar] [n=2,distance=1em] \setupparagraphs[mypar][1][style=slanted] \setupparagraphs[mypar][2][style=normal] In the text: \startmypar Some text in language Italian, slanted. \mypar The text translated in English, regular. \stopmypar etc. So your example could be done as follows \defineparagraphs[mypar] [n=3,distance=1em]%or some other distance \setupparagraphs[mypar][1][style=slanted]%or \setupparagraphs[mypar][2][style=normal] \setupparagraphs[mypar][3][style=normal] \starttext This is a side by side translation in columns. \startmypar Original Language \mypar First Translation \mypar Second Translation \stopmypar \startmypar Bla bla bla \dots \mypar Blu blu blu \dots \mypar Ble ble ble \dots \stopmypar \stoptext Maybe you could teach me how to do side by side translations on opposite pages. Regards, Robert Blackstone ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr wrote:
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 03:50:27 Curiouslearn wrote:
I hope (and this perhaps has nothing to do with the brilliant Context
development team) is that journals start accepting Context files.
While I use context for my personal and class notes, for articles I am
still forced to go to latex because journals do not accept context
files.
In fact, not many journals even accept LaTeX: I sometimes have to submit
so-called .txt files!
As Otared Kavian pointed out, the mathematics journals are a bit more
advanced (as are the purely physics journals), and LaTeX is even a
standard. Unfortunately, arXiv.org (still) has problems with ConTeXt,
as the submitted source is detected as TeX but the compilation fails.
One is thus obligated to translate to LaTeX:
Your (La)TeX, AMS(La)TeX, or PDFLaTeX submission will be processed
automatically by our AutoTeX software.
Now, if only my administration and funding agencies would stop sending
MS-Word files...
Alan
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Perhaps not an appropriate solution in all cases, but the application Pandoc
is able to generate standalone LaTeX files. One has to use something other
than ConTeXt as an input language (it can translate LaTeX input but so far
no ConTeXt; I use Markdown but reStructuredText and HTML are also available.
The standalone LaTeX files generated (meaning they include the header setup)
compile fine, at least the ones I've tested (ConTeXt standalone seems to
require Mk.II).
I must say I'm very impressed with this software. It turned all of my s
into \quotation{}, for instance, and it knows to do {\it italics} rather
than \it{italics}. One could also generate a Word document (via
OpenOffice.org ODT format output). Not to mention HTML.
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Am 09.02.10 03:50, schrieb Curiouslearn: Nice thread. Thanks for starting this Wolfgang. First of all, Context is great and I love it. I think I miss the geometry package of the latex. It makes setting margins very easy. I think setting margins (left, right, top and bottom) could be easier in Context. ConTeXt use a more sofisticated page model than LaTeX, you have not only left and right margin but also left/right edges and each page consists of three separate layer, one for the paper, on for the page and on top the layer for the text, headers, footers and margin texts. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On 9-2-2010 6:53, Otared Kavian wrote:
Now, that said, I do all my presentations with ConTeXt, and there is one thing
which should be added for more ease of use: a stepwise procedure which can do
better than the RawSteps module I use (see
http://wiki.contextgarden..net/RawSteps), and which would also work with the
simpleslides modules set up by Thomas A. Schmitz and Aditya Mahajan.
There is a generic stepper:
\usemodule[pre-60] % use the stepper
\starttext
\title {Whatever}
\dorecurse{10} {
\title{Just a few dummy pages}
\StartSteps \startitemize[packed]
\startitemize
\startitem bla \FlushStep \stopitem
\startitem bla bla \FlushStep \stopitem
\startitem bla bla bla \FlushStep \stopitem
\startitem bla bla bla bla \FlushStep \stopitem
\stopitemize \StopSteps
}
Actually I do this manually and, despite being time consuming, I prefer to
write in ConTeXt and to translate my paper into LaTeX at the very last step.
i would not be surprised if the journal editors then translate it into
their local variant; it's probably the text (plus time consuming
formulas) they keep
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
2010/2/8 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com: Hi all, ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Wolfgang Ability to change math font to modern sans serif. I don't know how to do it in LaTeX, but I know it's possible because beamer does it. Regards, -- Vedran Miletić ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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Am 09.02.10 13:09, schrieb Vedran Miletić:
Ability to change math font to modern sans serif. I don't know how to
do it in LaTeX, but I know it's possible because beamer does it.
In MkIV something like
\unprotect
\appendtoks
\dosetfontattribute\??mo\c!style
\to \everymathematics
\appendtoks
\setmathfunctionstyle{\mathematicsparameter\c!style}%
\to \everymathematics
\protect
\setupmathematics[style=sans]
does the job, the correct implementation is up to Hans and Aditya.
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On 9-2-2010 0:40, Philipp Gesang wrote: On 2010-02-0823:20:17, Hans Hagen wrote: On 8-2-2010 23:08, Philipp Gesang wrote: On 2010-02-0822:26:06, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Great news, indeed! Is some of this already usable / accessable by way of functions in minimals? I can't wait to have a glance at those features, especially no. 3. http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100126.184359.e6567256.en.html Ahh, thanks for the example. But when running context on it I get the following: -- ! Undefined control sequence. \@@su:xml:bibtex:sorter #1-\xmlresetsorter maye your version is too old That was it, sorry, I reinstalled minimals and LuaTeX recently and forgot to update ConTeXt. Now the file is processed and I get a pdf file containing the words sortkeys: n id entry and an hrule beneath that. As I'm not (yet) familiar with the control sequences used in the file as well as parts of its syntax, I can only guess that there's a table missing from \startxmlsetups bibtex:one \starttabulate etc.. are those two files present and can they be found? \registerbibtexfile [somebibtex][tugboat.bib] \registerbibtexfile [somebibtex][komoedie.bib] Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On Feb 9, 2010, at 12:40 AM, Philipp Gesang wrote: That was it, sorry, I reinstalled minimals and LuaTeX recently and forgot to update ConTeXt. Now the file is processed and I get a pdf file containing the words sortkeys: n id entry and an hrule beneath that. As I'm not (yet) familiar with the control sequences used in the file as well as parts of its syntax, I can only guess that there's a table missing from \startxmlsetups bibtex:one \starttabulate etc.. Good night, Philipp In order to see what this example does, you will have to use your own bib file and examples from it. I attach a modified test file with a small bib so you can test. However, I don't yet understand how to use this either. Let's hope this goes trough to the list. All best Thomas bibtest.tex Description: Binary data test.bib Description: Binary data ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On 2010-02-09 15:04:16, Hans Hagen wrote: are those two files present and can they be found? \registerbibtexfile [somebibtex][tugboat.bib] \registerbibtexfile [somebibtex][komoedie.bib] They were present but somehow minimals don't use the TeXlive tree, so had to symlink them and it's working now. (Why don't I at least get a *warning* or something like that in the log?) Quite impressive! I'll have closer look at it next weekend. Thanks for your patience, Philipp pgpIpRRYXaa5s.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On 9-2-2010 15:27, Philipp Gesang wrote: On 2010-02-0915:04:16, Hans Hagen wrote: are those two files present and can they be found? \registerbibtexfile [somebibtex][tugboat.bib] \registerbibtexfile [somebibtex][komoedie.bib] They were present but somehow minimals don't use the TeXlive tree, so had to symlink them and it's working now. (Why don't I at least get a *warning* or something like that in the log?) because it is new code that need to mature Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Hi all,
ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX
system or unavailable in any TeX system?
Wolfgang
1. While TeX has been very strong at typesetting math traditionally its rivals
are closing up and even surpassing TeX in this area partly. However, none of
today's tools (including TeX) seem to be capable of laying out (2D) formulas
fully automatically with the finest typographic results from their mathematical
meaning alone. For example, in TeX I always find myself tweaking the spacing of
glyphs or adjusting the size of brackets (among other things) once a formula
becomes a little more involved. If TeX could make these decisions on its own it
would help tremendously.
Of course, there's a limit to what extent visual aesthetics can be cast into
algorithms ultimately but I do think that TeX can be improved significantly in
this direction. I think what will help most is teaching TeX to not only think
in terms of boxes but work with the actual glyph shapes.
For example, one could tackle the problem of delimiter sizes in the following
way. First TeX needs to keep track of how deeply a given pair of delimiters is
nested. This directly sets a certain minimal size if one wants nested brackets
to increase in size towards the outside. Next TeX typesets all the material
enclosed by the delimiters in question and inspects how the ink is actually
spread out on paper. Based on knowledge about various features of the
subformula's actual shape TeX can now make an informed decision about the
surrounding delimiters. It is clear that for a visually pleasing result this
decision will have to be different depending on whether the ink is, say,
concentrated in one spot predominantly or smeared out over a long narrow band.
So far TeX has only examined the total height of this ink distribution which
usually leads to excessively large delimiters. If one wants to quote a metaphor
from optics TeX could analyze how much the ink distribution resembles an
hourglass shaped light beam travelling back and forth between two facing
round mirrors (i.e., the delimiters). One could then demand that the brackets'
size is chosen such that a certain fraction of the enclosed ink is contained in
the beam profile.
An approach based on glyph shapes could also help TeX to decide on how it
places exponents. At the moment one has to decide manually whether an
exponential is typeset as e^{\dots} or exp(\dots). Many more cases come to mind.
However, as far as I recall from conversations with Taco and others there are
already some efforts underway to extend TeX's math skills :-)
2. I'd love to see better support for figures within formulas (in ConTeXt). I
often use diagrammatic notation and find it difficult to align diagrams with
the rest of the formula. For example, I'm missing a way to specify the math
axis from within MetaPost code. That is, I'd like to mark an invisible point in
the drawing which will later be aligned with the formula's math axis
automatically.
3. I'd very much like to second Alan's suggestion to provide containers for
text to flow in and out! Perhaps one could even go further and root ConTeXt
entire page model in such an approach. After all, it's just text flowing in and
out of pages together with fixed containers for headers and footers. This might
also provide a consistent yet flexible foundation for all things columns.
While I'm at it (and because this is a wish list) having configurable page
templates as in XSL-FO or Docscape would also be very nice :-)
Oliver
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Am 09.02.10 17:31, schrieb Oliver Buerschaper: 3. I'd very much like to second Alan's suggestion to provide containers for text to flow in and out! Perhaps one could even go further and root ConTeXt entire page model in such an approach. After all, it's just text flowing in and out of pages together with fixed containers for headers and footers. This might also provide a consistent yet flexible foundation for all things columns. If things where so easy in TeX we won’t have the problems with text in columns etc. as we currently have. Changing the line distance in the normal text can influence also header and footer texts and frames are not so easy too because once a text is typeset by TeX the linebreaks are fixed and you can't change them. You're not the only one who wants such a flexible mechanism are you descibe but let’s see what features LuaTeX provide once the access to the pagebuilder is available. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On 8-2-2010 12:55, Peter Münster wrote: On Mon, Feb 08 2010, Sebastien Mengin wrote: I once tried to list the different points missing regarding the french language support and think of a way to integrate them as a module for ConTeXt, as frenchb [1] does for LaTeX. This is finally not trivial at all (at least for me). I don't know if this goes in the category « something missing » you are talking about... but for me, it is a reason why I stick to LaTeX. This could be a starting point: http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-french What do you need? once we have a clear picture (non conflicting demands) it's easy to implement .. the idea behind that page was to get a consistent model Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 12:25:58PM +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Hi all,
ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing,
what feature or package do you miss which is already available in
another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
An implementation of Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm[1] and automatic,
script based font switching, Unicode Script Property[2]. Editing mixed
RTL and LTR text is mess already, adding to the mix LTR TeX commands for
every directionally switch makes it a nightmare. I ended up doing my
first pass without any directional commands at all then using some
regular expressions to post process the text, but this is no fun and
needs manual review not to mention that post editing that text still a
nightmare.
I've attempted to write the BiDi implementation several times myself, by
never managed to actually allocate enough time for it. ConTeXt already
has a BiDi implantation (typo-mir.{lua,mkiv}), but I gave up using it
because it is buggy and can be hardly used for any thing.
[1] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr9/
[2] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr24/
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On 9-2-2010 18:50, Khaled Hosny wrote:
On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 12:25:58PM +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Hi all,
ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing,
what feature or package do you miss which is already available in
another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
An implementation of Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm[1] and automatic,
script based font switching, Unicode Script Property[2]. Editing mixed
RTL and LTR text is mess already, adding to the mix LTR TeX commands for
every directionally switch makes it a nightmare. I ended up doing my
first pass without any directional commands at all then using some
regular expressions to post process the text, but this is no fun and
needs manual review not to mention that post editing that text still a
nightmare.
I've attempted to write the BiDi implementation several times myself, by
never managed to actually allocate enough time for it. ConTeXt already
has a BiDi implantation (typo-mir.{lua,mkiv}), but I gave up using it
because it is buggy and can be hardly used for any thing.
[1] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr9/
[2] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr24/
i cannot fix things unless i know what is broken -) also, i need to
cater for mixed bidi input and txt/pardir usage which is non trivial
anyway, luatex 0.60 will have an improved tagging of nodes so that
might help
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
2010/2/8 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com: ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? - Stable underlining across line- and pagebreaks with the finest typographic quality. This might be possible with luaTeX mplib. - Document-global optimization of page breaks. Of course with floats, multicol and parshapes. :-) Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
I dream of a flexible changebar module (similar to the LaTeX changebar package) with Lua drivers so I can run something like: context --mark-changes foo1 foo2 to produce a (possibly mangled) output TeX file that when built produces a PDF with changebars in the margin, additions/deletions/modifications in colored text, etc. I would want the Lua drivers to work with the project/product/component structure, so that I could quickly markup the changes in all the products in a project, just one product, or even just one component. Kevin On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On 9-2-2010 19:21, Kevin D. Robbins wrote: I dream of a flexible changebar module (similar to the LaTeX changebar package) with Lua drivers so I can run something like: context --mark-changes foo1 foo2 to produce a (possibly mangled) output TeX file that when built produces a PDF with changebars in the margin, additions/deletions/modifications in colored text, etc. I would want the Lua drivers to work with the project/product/component structure, so that I could quickly markup the changes in all the products in a project, just one product, or even just one component. it's not that hard to build something like that Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 06:56:05PM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 9-2-2010 18:50, Khaled Hosny wrote:
On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 12:25:58PM +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Hi all,
ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing,
what feature or package do you miss which is already available in
another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system?
An implementation of Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm[1] and automatic,
script based font switching, Unicode Script Property[2]. Editing mixed
RTL and LTR text is mess already, adding to the mix LTR TeX commands for
every directionally switch makes it a nightmare. I ended up doing my
first pass without any directional commands at all then using some
regular expressions to post process the text, but this is no fun and
needs manual review not to mention that post editing that text still a
nightmare.
I've attempted to write the BiDi implementation several times myself, by
never managed to actually allocate enough time for it. ConTeXt already
has a BiDi implantation (typo-mir.{lua,mkiv}), but I gave up using it
because it is buggy and can be hardly used for any thing.
[1] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr9/
[2] http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr24/
i cannot fix things unless i know what is broken -) also, i need to
cater for mixed bidi input and txt/pardir usage which is non trivial
IIRC, I reported all of that months ago but I usually get no answer.
anyway, luatex 0.60 will have an improved tagging of nodes so that
might help
Right, having a direction property for each node (assuming this what the
tagging feature you mean) would help even in OpenType layout, like
supporting 'rtla' and 'rtlm' (RTL alternates and mirrors) which need to
be enabled conditionally based on glyph direction.
Regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Monday 08 February 2010 12:25:58 Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Hi all, ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Wolfgang What I would really like is an automatic composer, one that would write my papers, books and documentation for me. minimal example: \startext \composebook [title=My best selling novel] \stoptext (notice that the title is optional) However, it would have to produce output that is up to my standards - not at all an easy task! Alan (Sorry for hijacking this interesting thread.) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Am 09.02.10 19:45, schrieb Alan BRASLAU:
What I would really like is an automatic composer,
one that would write my papers, books and documentation for me.
minimal example:
\startext
\composebook [title=My best selling novel]
\stoptext
(notice that the title is optional)
However, it would have to produce output that is up
to my standards - not at all an easy task!
m-visual.tex ;)
%D For Mojca:
%D
%D \starttyping
%D \def\simplethesis
%D {\setupsystem[random=1234]
%D\title{\fakewords{3}{4}}
%D\placelist[chapter,section]
%D\dorecurse{6}
%D {\chapter{\fakewords{5}{10}}
%D \dorecurse{5}
%D {\section{\fakewords{2}{5}}
%D \dorecurse{2}
%D{\dorecurse{3}{\fakewords{100}{200}\endgraf}
%D
\placefigure{\fakewords{8}{15}}{\fakefigure{5cm}{3cm}{10cm}{5cm}}
%D \dorecurse{2}{\fakewords{100}{200}\endgraf}
%D
%D \starttext
%D \simplethesis
%D \stoptext
%D \stoptyping
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On 9-2-2010 19:45, Alan BRASLAU wrote: On Monday 08 February 2010 12:25:58 Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Hi all, ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Wolfgang What I would really like is an automatic composer, one that would write my papers, books and documentation for me. minimal example: \startext \composebook [title=My best selling novel] \stoptext (notice that the title is optional) and then \composemanual [title=The real context manual,writingstyle=knuth] - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Salaam, Khaled, On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:44:55 -0700, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org wrote: IIRC, I reported all of that months ago but I usually get no answer. Are you sure about that? A quick check shows answers...eg http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080816.075921.0f92a2d3.en.html In any case: Can you provide minimal samples of problems with the current mechanism? I have a bidi test-suite that I will revisit but some sample files from you will help too. One sample-per-problem would be a help. :-) :-) سلام Idris PS Some of these problems have been on the backburner but there is already a TON of other things on the plate so ... I use formatting characters + mirroring in the meantime ... I -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 12:12:00PM -0700, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: Salaam, Khaled, On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:44:55 -0700, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org wrote: IIRC, I reported all of that months ago but I usually get no answer. Are you sure about that? A quick check shows answers...eg http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080816.075921.0f92a2d3.en.html In any case: Can you provide minimal samples of problems with the current mechanism? I have a bidi test-suite that I will revisit but some sample files from you will help too. One sample-per-problem would be a help. I've to find my old test files then. Regards, Khaled -- Khaled Hosny Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team Free font developer ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On 9-2-2010 19:50, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
%D For Mojca:
%D
%D \starttyping
%D \def\simplethesis
%D {\setupsystem[random=1234]
%D \title{\fakewords{3}{4}}
%D \placelist[chapter,section]
%D \dorecurse{6}
%D {\chapter{\fakewords{5}{10}}
%D \dorecurse{5}
%D {\section{\fakewords{2}{5}}
%D \dorecurse{2}
%D {\dorecurse{3}{\fakewords{100}{200}\endgraf}
%D \placefigure{\fakewords{8}{15}}{\fakefigure{5cm}{3cm}{10cm}{5cm}}
%D \dorecurse{2}{\fakewords{100}{200}\endgraf}
%D
%D \starttext
%D \simplethesis
%D \stoptext
%D \stoptyping
Wolfgang
as we've never seen her thesis it could well be that she maneged to pass
the examns with this
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
On 9-2-2010 19:50, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
%D For Mojca:
%D
%D \starttyping
%D \def\simplethesis
%D {\setupsystem[random=1234]
%D \title{\fakewords{3}{4}}
%D \placelist[chapter,section]
%D \dorecurse{6}
%D {\chapter{\fakewords{5}{10}}
%D \dorecurse{5}
%D {\section{\fakewords{2}{5}}
%D \dorecurse{2}
%D {\dorecurse{3}{\fakewords{100}{200}\endgraf}
%D \placefigure{\fakewords{8}{15}}{\fakefigure{5cm}{3cm}{10cm}{5cm}}
%D \dorecurse{2}{\fakewords{100}{200}\endgraf}
%D
%D \starttext
%D \simplethesis
%D \stoptext
%D \stoptyping
Wolfgang
as we've never seen her thesis
False.
I have seen her thesis .
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 09.02.10 19:45, schrieb Alan BRASLAU: What I would really like is an automatic composer, one that would write my papers, books and documentation for me. minimal example: \startext \composebook [title=My best selling novel] \stoptext (notice that the title is optional) However, it would have to produce output that is up to my standards - not at all an easy task! m-visual.tex ;) http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/ -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On 9-2-2010 19:07, Martin Schröder wrote:
2010/2/8 Wolfgang Schusterschuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com:
ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what
feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX
system or unavailable in any TeX system?
- Stable underlining across line- and pagebreaks with the finest
typographic quality. This might be possible with luaTeX mplib.
already in mkiv ...
\starttext
\underbar {
\dorecurse {10} {
\input tufte
\starttabulate
\NC \underbar {test} \NC \input tufte \shiftup{\input tufte }
\input tufte \NC \NR
\stoptabulate
}
}
\stoptext
plus some more on the agenda
however, underlining is not really part of fine typography
- Document-global optimization of page breaks. Of course with floats,
multicol and parshapes. :-)
yeah, maybe some day ... not that trivial but you know that -)
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Tue, Feb 09 2010, Sebastien Mengin wrote:
Thanks for the link, I failed to use it, as I have a ConTeXt/luaTeX
versions distributed by ubuntu/jaunty, which seems to be too old. I
should update and give it a try -- later.
Hello Sebastien,
Anyway, it was not the latest version.
In the current version of MKIV, there is no support for language-specifics,
so there is actually no support for switching back from French to another
language.
Did you have a look at the doc I posted yesterday?
Yes. I attach a recent t-french.tex file, that supports most of frenchb.
In detail:
1. the 1. paragraph of each section is indented (LATEX only);
Done.
2. the default items in itemize environment
Done.
3. vertical spacing in general LATEX lists is shortened;
Done in itemize list.
4. footnotes are displayed à la française.
What is this?
1. French hyphenation patterns are made active;
Done.
2. `double punctuation' (: ; ! ?) is made active
Done.
3. \today prints the date in French;
The command is \date.
4. the caption names are translated into French (LATEX only);
Done.
5. the space after \dots is removed in French.
There is no space.
1. French quotation marks
\quotation{...}
2. A command \up is provided
M\high{me}
provided for ordinals: \ier, \iere, \iers, \ieres, \ieme, \iemes
Done.
the macro \bsc (boxed small caps) does this, e.g., Leslie~\bsc{Lamport}
\Bsc{...}
4. Commands \primo, \secundo, \tertio and \quarto print 1o, 2o, 3o, 4o.
\FrenchEnumerate{6} prints 6o.
No.
obtained via the commands \No, \Nos, \no, \nos.
No.
6. Two commands are provided to typeset the symbol for \degre
No.
the TEXbook p. 134). The command \DecimalMathComma makes the comma
\enablemathpunctuation
\disablemathpunctuation
8. A command \nombre was provided in 1.x versions to easily format numbers
\dorecurse6{
\setdigitmode \recurselevel\relax
\recurselevel: \digits{12.345,90} \digits{12.345.000} \digits{1,23}\par}
9. frenchb has been designed to take advantage of the xspace package
No.
Here a test file:
\usemodule[french]
\starttext
\section{test}
\Bsc{Test} \Bsc{Test}
\startitemize
\item 1\ier\ item
\item «bla»
\item bla
\stopitemize
\quotation{bla} hello: hello; hello? hello! \date
\stoptext
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%D [ file=t-french,
%Dversion=2010.02.09,
%D title=\CONTEXT\ User Module,
%D subtitle=For French documents,
%D author=Peter Münster,
%D date=\currentdate,
%D copyright={Peter Münster}]
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%C Please send any comments to pmrb at free.fr.
%C You can find the latest version of this module on
%C http://modules.contextgarden.net/
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% modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
% as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
% of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
% This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
% but without any warranty; without even the implied warranty of
% merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose. See the
% GNU General Public License for more details.
%D This module tries to do similar things as the frenchb.ldf in LaTeX:
%D \startitemize
%D \item automatic space before » and after «, :, ?, ; and !
%D \item changing symbol for itemize environment
%D \item itemize environment packed
%D \item first paragraph of section indented
%D \item \type{\Bsc{}} macro
%D \stopitemize
\writestatus{loading}{Typesetting French documents}
\doifnotmode{mkiv}{\writestatus{error}{needs MKIV}\wait\end}
\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]
\setupitemize[symbol=2]
\setupitemize[packed]
\setupheads[indentnext=yes]
\setupindenting[yes, medium]
\lccode`\'=`\'
\mainlanguage[fr]
\ifx \ieme \undefined \def\ieme {\highordinalstr{e}} \fi
\ifx \iemes \undefined \def\iemes {\highordinalstr{es}} \fi
\ifx \ier \undefined \def\ier {\highordinalstr{er}} \fi
\ifx \iere \undefined \def\iere {\highordinalstr{re}} \fi
\ifx \iers \undefined \def\iers {\highordinalstr{ers}} \fi
\ifx \ieres \undefined \def\ieres {\highordinalstr{res}} \fi
\def\Bsc#1{\dontleavehmode\hbox{\sc#1}}
\doifnotmode{demo}{\endinput}
%D Usage example:
\def\myItems{%
\startitemize
\item test
\item test
\startitemize
\item test
\item test
\startitemize
\item test
\item test
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
\stopitemize}
\usemodule[french]
\starttext
Voilà: Voilà? Voilà! Voilà;
{\en some english text: «English» or \quotation{French}, ok?}
«voilà» \quote{voilà} \quotation{voilà}
\myItems
\en
\myItems
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
2010/2/9 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl: however, underlining is not really part of fine typography I know. But it's hard to do right in TeX (see the troubles soul.sty brings) and people are used to it. - Document-global optimization of page breaks. Of course with floats, multicol and parshapes. :-) yeah, maybe some day ... not that trivial but you know that -) I know. LuaTeX 2.0? :-) Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On 9-2-2010 23:30, Peter Münster wrote: In the current version of MKIV, there is no support for language-specifics, so there is actually no support for switching back from French to another language. in mkiv language specific features are and will be part of the mechanisms themselves (and are then driven by mainlanguage) 1. the 1. paragraph of each section is indented (LATEX only); 2. the default items in itemize environment 3. vertical spacing in general LATEX lists is shortened; to me these sounds like a design issue, not related to french 4. footnotes are displayed à la française. What is this? 2. `double punctuation' (: ; ! ?) is made active remark: in mkiv not active using active chars as we have better mechanisms Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 23:30:56 Peter Münster wrote:
Yes. I attach a recent t-french.tex file, that supports most of frenchb.
\usemodule[french]
Should not these rules automatically come into play through
\mainlanguage[fr]
rather than as a module?
Also (for Hans), lang-ita.tex needs to be completed as follows:
(the complete file is attached as Hans prefers this to diffs)
$ diff lang-ita.tex lang-ita.tex.orig
268c268
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!chapter=Chapitre]
---
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!chapter=]
276c276
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!section=Section]
---
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!section=]
284c284
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsection=Soussection]
---
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsection=]
292c292
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsection=Soussoussection]
---
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsection=]
300c300
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsubsection=Soussoussoussection]
---
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!subsubsubsection=]
308c308
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!appendix=Annexe]
---
\setuplabeltext [\s!fr] [\v!appendix=]
BTW, in this file, some texts have trailing spaces and some do not.
This is probably a bug?
Also, some strings have unicode characters and some have escaped accents.
This also should probably be cleaned-up.
Alan
%D \module
%D [ file=lang-ita,
%Dversion=1997.09.03,
%D title=\CONTEXT\ Language Macros,
%D subtitle=Italic Languages,
%D author=Hans Hagen / Tobias Burnus,
%D date=\currentdate,
%D copyright={PRAGMA / Hans Hagen \ Ton Otten}]
%C
%C This module is part of the \CONTEXT\ macro||package and is
%C therefore copyrighted by \PRAGMA. See mreadme.pdf for
%C details.
% Todo: replace \'.. by \namedglyph
\writestatus{loading}{ConTeXt Language Macros / Italic Languages}
%D The framework of this module is set up by Hans Hagen while
%D many of the first translations were done by Tobias. Later
%D on, corrections were made by users. If you have suggestions,
%D or feel that your name missing here, don't hesitate to send
%D us an email.
%D
%D \starttabulate[|lB|l|]
%D \NC Italian\NC Giuseppe Bilotta \NC \NR
%D \NC Romanian \NC Dan Seracu \NC \NR
%D \NC Portuguese \NC Pedro F. M. Mendon\c a \NC \NR
%D \stoptabulate
% Latin, Italian, Rhaeto-Romanic, Rumanian, Sardian
% Catalan, French, Ladino, Portuguese, Proven\c{c}al, Spanish
\unprotect
\ifx\guillemotspace\undefined \let\guillemotspace\empty \fi
\ifx\sentencespace \undefined \let\sentencespace \empty \fi
\installlanguage
[\s!fr]
[\c!spacing=\v!packed,
\c!leftsentence=\emdash,
\c!rightsentence=\emdash,
\c!leftsubsentence=\emdash,
\c!rightsubsentence=\emdash,
\c!leftquote=\leftguillemot,
\c!rightquote=\rightguillemot,
\c!leftquotation=\leftguillemot,
\c!rightquotation=\rightguillemot,
\c!date={\v!day+,\v!space,\v!month,\v!space,\v!year},
\s!mapping={texnansi,ec},
\s!encoding={texnansi,ec}]
\installlanguage
[\s!es]
[\c!spacing=\v!packed,
\c!leftsentence=---,
\c!rightsentence=---,
\c!leftsubsentence=---,
\c!rightsubsentence=---,
\c!leftquote=\upperleftsinglesixquote,
\c!rightquote=\upperrightsingleninequote,
\c!leftquotation=\upperleftdoublesixquote,
\c!rightquotation=\upperrightdoubleninequote,
\c!date={\v!day,\ ,\v!month,\ ,\v!year}]
\installlanguage [sp] [\s!es] % old times context
\installlanguage
[\s!ca]
[\c!spacing=\v!packed,
\c!leftsentence=---,
\c!rightsentence=---,
\c!leftsubsentence=---,
\c!rightsubsentence=---,
\c!leftquote=\upperleftsinglesixquote,
\c!rightquote=\upperrightsingleninequote,
\c!leftquotation=\upperleftdoublesixquote,
\c!rightquotation=\upperrightdoubleninequote,
\c!date={\v!day,\ ,\v!month,\ ,\v!year}]
% Note GB left|/|right (sub)sentences are for \quote {incisi}.
\installlanguage
[\s!it]
[\c!spacing=\v!packed,
\c!leftsentence=---,
\c!rightsentence=---,
\c!leftsubsentence=--,
\c!rightsubsentence=--,
\c!leftquote=\upperleftsinglesixquote,
\c!rightquote=\upperrightsingleninequote,
\c!leftquotation=\upperleftdoublesixquote,
\c!rightquotation=\upperrightdoubleninequote,
\c!leftspeech=\leftguillemot,
\c!middlespeech=\leftguillemot,
\c!rightspeech=\rightguillemot,
\c!date={\v!day,\ ,\v!month,\ ,\v!year},
\s!mapping={texnansi,ec},
\s!encoding={texnansi,ec}]
\installlanguage % the same as italian
[\s!la]
[\c!spacing=\v!packed,
\c!leftsentence=---,
\c!rightsentence=---,
\c!leftsubsentence=---,
\c!rightsubsentence=---,
\c!leftquote=\upperleftsinglesixquote,
\c!rightquote=\lowerrightsingleninequote,
\c!leftquotation=\upperleftdoublesixquote,
\c!rightquotation=\lowerrightdoubleninequote,
\c!date={\v!day,\ ,\v!month,\ ,\v!year}]
\installlanguage
[\s!pt]
[\c!spacing=\v!packed,
\c!leftsentence=---,
\c!rightsentence=---,
\c!leftsubsentence=---,
\c!rightsubsentence=---,
\c!leftquote=\upperleftsinglesixquote,
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Le 08 févr. 2010 à 12:25, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit: Hi all, ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? I once tried to list the different points missing regarding the french language support and think of a way to integrate them as a module for ConTeXt, as frenchb [1] does for LaTeX. This is finally not trivial at all (at least for me). I don't know if this goes in the category « something missing » you are talking about... but for me, it is a reason why I stick to LaTeX. [1] http://daniel.flipo.free.fr/frenchb/index.html Cheers, -- Sébastien Mengin Édition et logiciels libres Mise en page avec LaTeX http://edilibre.net ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Mon, Feb 08 2010, Sebastien Mengin wrote: I once tried to list the different points missing regarding the french language support and think of a way to integrate them as a module for ConTeXt, as frenchb [1] does for LaTeX. This is finally not trivial at all (at least for me). I don't know if this goes in the category « something missing » you are talking about... but for me, it is a reason why I stick to LaTeX. This could be a starting point: http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-french What do you need? Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Am 08.02.2010 um 12:43 schrieb Sebastien Mengin: Le 08 févr. 2010 à 12:25, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit: Hi all, ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? I once tried to list the different points missing regarding the french language support and think of a way to integrate them as a module for ConTeXt, as frenchb [1] does for LaTeX. This is finally not trivial at all (at least for me). I don't know if this goes in the category « something missing » you are talking about... but for me, it is a reason why I stick to LaTeX. [1] http://daniel.flipo.free.fr/frenchb/index.html Cheers, -- Sébastien Mengin Hi, there is a nice LaTeX package called floatrow. Most of the things what it does you can do with ConTeXt much more easily expect (i think) one thing: placing more than one picture in a given width with automatic rescaling of the images so all images in one row have the same height. This feature is really handy for me. Maybe there is something in ConTeXt which does the same and i´m missing something? best regards Bernhard ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Mon, Feb 08 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? The lst-listing package from LaTeX is very good. I would be nice, to get at least support for pretty printing the language C. Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Am 08.02.10 12:43, schrieb Sebastien Mengin: I once tried to list the different points missing regarding the french language support and think of a way to integrate them as a module for ConTeXt, as frenchb [1] does for LaTeX. This is finally not trivial at all (at least for me). Do you have a english version of the manual or can you make a summary what the package provides (it's hard to guess from the commands)? Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Le 08 févr. 2010 à 01:14, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit: Am 08.02.10 12:43, schrieb Sebastien Mengin: I once tried to list the different points missing regarding the french language support and think of a way to integrate them as a module for ConTeXt, as frenchb [1] does for LaTeX. This is finally not trivial at all (at least for me). Do you have a english version of the manual or can you make a summary what the package provides (it's hard to guess from the commands)? Yes, here's the manual (PDF) produced from the DTX file from CTAN. http://edilibre.net/depot/frenchb.pdf Thanks for your interest, -- Sébastien Mengin Édition et logiciels libres Mise en page avec LaTeX http://edilibre.net ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Monday 08 February 2010 12:25:58 Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Hi all, ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Wolfgang Hello, I have been using the (old) chart module to draw not only flow charts but also to draw functional diagrams for gas handling and hydrolics systems. This module could be significantly developped, in particular though abstraction of node placement, color, etc. One could go further, drawing tree diagrams. Here, I am thinking about some of the possibilities of pgf/TiKz. Something probably already exists in Metapost, but it would be nice to have such tools native in ConTeXt. pgf/TiKz is a nice package, and I like its support for ConTeXt. However, a simpler, cleaner interface and syntax can be achieved natively in ConTeXt and Metapost... Going a bit further, I suppose that the same logic could be applied to drawing schematic diagrams for electronics. And why not abstract this further? One could then flexibly logically place (and connect) containers of any sort. I use collectors and columnsetspan to put together posters (A0). This could be made easier. Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Hello Wolfgang! On 2010-02-08 12:25:58, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Most definately: all the details of Philipp Lehman's BibLaTeX package which is one of the greatest things LaTeX has to offer: multi-part bibliographies, lots of different citation rules, manifold idem/ibidem/ op. cit. c handling, authoring new styles -- all solved in one single stroke and neatly documented. That'd be nice to have … Philipp pgpnFMmVu93HL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Am 08.02.2010 um 14:49 schrieb Philipp Gesang: Hello Wolfgang! On 2010-02-08 12:25:58, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Most definately: all the details of Philipp Lehman's BibLaTeX package which is one of the greatest things LaTeX has to offer: multi-part bibliographies, lots of different citation rules, manifold idem/ibidem/ op. cit. c handling, authoring new styles -- all solved in one single stroke and neatly documented. yes, apart from floatrow i mentioned earlier biblatex features are superior. AFAIKS the bibliography module will be rewritten and maybe will have similar features? nevertheless for me ConTeXt is way ahead of LaTeX! best regards Bernhard ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Philipp Gesang wrote: Hello Wolfgang! On 2010-02-08 12:25:58, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Most definately: all the details of Philipp Lehman's BibLaTeX package which is one of the greatest things LaTeX has to offer: multi-part bibliographies, lots of different citation rules, manifold idem/ibidem/ op. cit. c handling, authoring new styles -- all solved in one single stroke and neatly documented. That'd be nice to have … Well, the context bib module predates biblatex by a few years, and I never got around doing a rewrite after biblatex had added new stuff the bib module didn't have ... ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On 8-2-2010 14:49, Philipp Gesang wrote: Hello Wolfgang! On 2010-02-0812:25:58, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Most definately: all the details of Philipp Lehman's BibLaTeX package which is one of the greatest things LaTeX has to offer: multi-part bibliographies, lots of different citation rules, manifold idem/ibidem/ op. cit.c handling, authoring new styles -- all solved in one single stroke and neatly documented. That'd be nice to have … fyi: the whole bin stuff will be redone in mkiv. some of it is already done. 1 - mkii compatible support (built in, no module) 2 - loading of bib databases in memory and converte them in an xml tree 3 - access to entries in arbitrary ways using path expressions 4 - rewrite of rendering variants using the built in xml handler 1 is more or less done, 2 also, 3 is possible but we might want more and for 4 taco and i will cook up an interface Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Philipp Gesang pges...@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de writes: Hello Wolfgang! On 2010-02-08 12:25:58, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Most definately: all the details of Philipp Lehman's BibLaTeX package which is one of the greatest things LaTeX has to offer: multi-part bibliographies, lots of different citation rules, manifold idem/ibidem/ op. cit. c handling, authoring new styles -- all solved in one single stroke and neatly documented. That'd be nice to have … I second this. Right now, biblatex is the killer feature that I'm at least partially stuck with LaTeX. However, I wonder if it would be hard to do a port of biblatex to context. I've not looked into the code yet, but I doubt that there is much LaTeX specific code... Best regards, olli ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
Am 08.02.10 14:41, schrieb Alan BRASLAU: And why not abstract this further? One could then flexibly logically place (and connect) containers of any sort. I use collectors and columnsetspan to put together posters (A0). This could be made easier. The flowfram [1] package for LaTeX looks like a good example how this can be done and with the current stream and layer mechanism it should be doable to provide something similar in ConTeXt. [1] http://ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/flowfram.html Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
I'd just like to chime in that a new bibliography system would be first
suggestion for ConTeXt. I've only used BibTeX a few times, and never
BibLaTeX (because I'd already switched to ConTeXT), but it's inflexibility
makes it unworkable.
Ideally ConTeXt could provide its general sensible-ness (and Lua power) to
do for bibliographies what it has already done for TeX. CSL support and
something similar to string.format('%s. (%s). %s.', author, year, title) or
something just as easy for defining a new output style would be the two
features most desired. If MLA were finally implemented (or implementable)
for \cite{} in TeX, I would be a very happy masters student indeed ;)
(BibLaTeX's MLA did not work for me in LyX, which is about as far as I'm
going to go into LaTeX).
Until then I'll just use the MLA setup environment from the ConTeXt wiki and
input my refs by hand.
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 08.02.10 14:41, schrieb Alan BRASLAU:
And why not abstract this further? One could then flexibly
logically place (and connect) containers of any sort.
I use collectors and columnsetspan to put together posters (A0).
This could be made easier.
The flowfram [1] package for LaTeX looks like a good example how this can
be done and with the current stream and layer mechanism it should be doable
to provide something similar in ConTeXt.
[1] http://ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/flowfram.html
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
* Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com [2010-02-08 12:25]: Hi all, ConTeXt has many features but sometimes there is something missing, what feature or package do you miss which is already available in another TeX system or unavailable in any TeX system? Five hundred pages of organized, detailed, up-to-date (well, somewhat up-to-date) documentation, written by the small group of experts who are so helpful on this list. If just one of you was unable to continue your excellent work, FAR too much of the world knowledge of ConTeXt would simply be gone, and that's not a good situation. Compared to this, new features can wait - but here's my feature: ConTeXt itself has beautiful support for side-by-side translations. It makes me happy every time I look at the results. But... it works only on separate pages. Making it work on columns as well would make my life easier. (May be impossible, but you asked...) |Original Language|First Translation|Second Translation| |Bla bla bla ... |Blu blu blu ... |Ble ble ble ... | -- Thanks David ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On 8-2-2010 18:29, David Rogers wrote: |Original Language|First Translation|Second Translation| |Bla bla bla ... |Blu blu blu ... |Ble ble ble ... | it's one of the things on the agenda for mkiv but it has to wait for a while till we have opened up the page builder a bit more in luatex - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On 2010-02-08 16:12:09, Hans Hagen wrote: fyi: the whole bin stuff will be redone in mkiv. some of it is already done. 1 - mkii compatible support (built in, no module) 2 - loading of bib databases in memory and converte them in an xml tree 3 - access to entries in arbitrary ways using path expressions 4 - rewrite of rendering variants using the built in xml handler 1 is more or less done, 2 also, 3 is possible but we might want more and for 4 taco and i will cook up an interface Great news, indeed! Is some of this already usable / accessable by way of functions in minimals? I can't wait to have a glance at those features, especially no. 3. Regards, Philipp pgpaZoHzf4sSB.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
