Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Hi Taco! On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: The cows fonts (inside cont-tmf) are cc-by-nd. TeXLive doesn't like that, so perhaps the same is true for debian. find . -name \*cow\* does not give me anything with 2006.12.21, is this intended, or how are the fonts called ... Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- TODBER (n.) One whose idea of a good time is to stand behind his front hedge and give surly nods to people he doesn't know. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Norbert Preining wrote: Hi Taco! On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: The cows fonts (inside cont-tmf) are cc-by-nd. TeXLive doesn't like that, so perhaps the same is true for debian. find . -name \*cow\* does not give me anything with 2006.12.21, is this intended, or how are the fonts called ... Try find . -name koei\* (koe == cow in dutch) Best, Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: find . -name \*cow\* does not give me anything with 2006.12.21, is this intended, or how are the fonts called ... Try find . -name koei\* (koe == cow in dutch) Ahh thanks, ok these fonts are gone. I will package anyway a context-nonfree (including the documentation) which also will carry the fonts (I hope I come around this!) Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- ABOYNE (vb.) To beat an expert at a game of skill by playing so appallingly that none of his clever tactics or strategies are of any use to him. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Hi Taco! On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: context 2006.12.17-0.1 is available from the usual place: deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/ I want to upload this package to Debian proper soon. Please give suggestions/remarks/comments! I am not a debian user so I will not comment on the package itself, but I fully expect a new release from Hans today, so perhaps it is better to wait a few hours before uploading. Ok, thanks a lot. May I ask you something about copyright: For proper inclusion I really need to know the copyright not only of the files in cont-tmf, but aslo in the others, cont-ext, cont-fnt, cont-img. Is there any chance to get a statement of them beign DFSG compatible? Otherwise I have to exclude some of it and put it into something like context-nonfree. BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for luatex which I am also packaging. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- BROUGH SOWERBY One who has been working at that same desk in the same office for fifteen years and has very much his own ideas about why he is continually passed over for promotion. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Norbert Preining wrote: Ok, thanks a lot. May I ask you something about copyright: For proper inclusion I really need to know the copyright not only of the files in cont-tmf, but aslo in the others, cont-ext, cont-fnt, cont-img. The cows fonts (inside cont-tmf) are cc-by-nd. TeXLive doesn't like that, so perhaps the same is true for debian. Everything in (the current versions of) cont-ext, cont-fmt and cont-img is either GPLv2 or Public Domain. Is there any chance to get a statement of them beign DFSG compatible? Otherwise I have to exclude some of it and put it into something like context-nonfree. BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for luatex which I am also packaging. Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that know how to deal with unstable software. Greetings, Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Hi Taco! On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: The cows fonts (inside cont-tmf) are cc-by-nd. TeXLive doesn't like that, so perhaps the same is true for debian. Ok. Everything in (the current versions of) cont-ext, cont-fmt and cont-img is either GPLv2 or Public Domain. Thanks for clarification. BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for luatex which I am also packaging. Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that know how to deal with unstable software. I know, I will call the package luatex-snapshot upload it to experimental, and people will get a warning about its usage. It is ok this way, not many people will get it from experimental anyway, but I want to have it around for testing, and better early adoption then late work. The point is that there are people who don't want to compile things but still are able to test stuff. For those luatex-snapshot pacakged will serve, too (and for me, because I don't want to have packages not under package management control on my system ;-) Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- HASTINGS (pl.n.) Things said on the spur of the moment to explain to someone who comes into a room unexpectedly precisely what it is you are doing. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for luatex which I am also packaging. Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that know how to deal with unstable software. I forgot to say: If you or the team have strong feelings *against* a packaged version, even if it is accompanied by big warnings etc, let us know, we can also forget about the packaging for now. Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining [EMAIL PROTECTED]Università di Siena Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- There are of course many problems connected with life, of which some of the most popular are `Why are people born?' Why do they spend so much of the intervening time wearing digital watches?' --- The Book. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything in (the current versions of) cont-ext, cont-fmt and cont-img is either GPLv2 or Public Domain. Well, the interesting question is what is what? It's quite important to not handle a GPL'ed file as if it was Public Domain. Is there any chance to get a statement of them beign DFSG compatible? Otherwise I have to exclude some of it and put it into something like context-nonfree. BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for luatex which I am also packaging. Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that know how to deal with unstable software. I have no opinion about this particular case, but if we only upload it to Debian experimental, we can expect its users to be able to deal with unstable and totally broken software. Regards, Frank -- Dr. Frank Küster Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. Biochemie, Univ. Zürich Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive) ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Norbert Preining wrote: On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote: BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for luatex which I am also packaging. Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that know how to deal with unstable software. I forgot to say: If you or the team have strong feelings *against* a packaged version, even if it is accompanied by big warnings etc, let us know, we can also forget about the packaging for now. taco's remark only concerns luatex binaries; these are on and off stable; for instance the new file io part is rather ok now, but currently taco is redoing much of the font part; somewhere mid 2007 there will be the first more or less beta version, and around tug 2007 there will be the first formal beta release; this means that upto then, checked in versions can be rather unstable; concerning context: we use context for torture testing luatex (related context code is versioned as 'mkiv code' but is not yet distributed) but this testing does not influence (much) the current context distribution (mkii code) so, no need to worry -) Hans -- - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
Norbert Preining wrote: I know, I will call the package luatex-snapshot upload it to experimental, and people will get a warning about its usage. It is ok this way, not many people will get it from experimental anyway, but I want to have it around for testing, and better early adoption then late work. ok, for the sake if testing integration, compilation, etc, making a debian package makes sense; as long as you add some 'no support whatsoever' clause (btw, is may also help if lua is installed as part of the system utilities; it's small so ...) just for fun: you can use luatex as lua interpreter: luatex --lua somescript.lua with somescript.lua being print(I'm LuaTeX!) is a nice testcase. The point is that there are people who don't want to compile things but still are able to test stuff. For those luatex-snapshot pacakged will serve, too (and for me, because I don't want to have packages not under package management control on my system ;-) ok Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
