Re: [NTG-context] page-break after \section
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Aditya Mahajan wrote: (Untested) Did you try: \startitemize[intro] AFAIU, intro prevents a page break before itemize. Thanks, this works! Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] page-break after \section
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, Peter Münster wrote:
Hello,
in the following example, there is a page-break after the second section
title. \page[no] does not help.
Is this normal or a bug?
\starttext
\section{bla}
\dorecurse{36}{bla\par}
\section{bla}
\page[no]
\startitemize
\dorecurse{5}{\item bla}
\stopitemize
\stoptext
(Untested) Did you try:
\startitemize[intro]
AFAIU, intro prevents a page break before itemize.
Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] page-break after \section
� wrote: On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, luigi scarso wrote: in the following example, there is a page-break after the second section title. \page[no] does not help. Is this normal or a bug? Normal, I believe Too bad. I think, there can be still some enhancements: in LaTeX, there is never a page break after a section header, but with ConTeXt there is sometimes by surprise... well, it depends, if the next structure does a vskip of some testing then there can be a page break there is no robust way to prevent this in current tex, at least nog when some spacing mechansism are used, ok, a penalty 1 may sometimes help, but even then, successive skips and such may interfere also, vskip12pt \penalty vskip12pt ma not what you want (i.e. collapsing becomes tricky) context sectioning has some prevent-break stuff you can add a penalty 1 if you know what you're dealing with Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] page-break after \section
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Hans Hagen wrote: well, it depends, if the next structure does a vskip of some testing then there can be a page break there is no robust way to prevent this in current tex, at least nog when some spacing mechansism are used, ok, a penalty 1 may sometimes help, but even then, successive skips and such may interfere Thanks for your explanation! Do you know, how the LaTeX people solved this problem? I've never had such surprises with LaTeX. you can add a penalty 1 if you know what you're dealing with Ok, I'll try it. Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] page-break after \section
� wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Hans Hagen wrote: well, it depends, if the next structure does a vskip of some testing then there can be a page break there is no robust way to prevent this in current tex, at least nog when some spacing mechansism are used, ok, a penalty 1 may sometimes help, but even then, successive skips and such may interfere Thanks for your explanation! Do you know, how the LaTeX people solved this problem? I've never had such surprises with LaTeX. i dunno, but i remember problems with splits between chapter, section and subsection heads and context prohibits that; *any* tex where some construct introduces whitespace has this problem but i can imagine some tricky stuff with the otr involved (and even then there may be interference with preceding material); i do (did) observe that latex has a different spacing model (and interfering penalties may be a reason why sometimes spacing gets messed up); i will implement a second spacing model once luatex is available in tex, when one has a controlled situation, solutions are possible but context is rather configurable \setuphead[section][after=\blank\pelanty1\relax] may help but also mess up spacing (esp floats are hard to interface with such things because they also look at the available space and currently don't look back; keep in mind that when looking back the content is already put in the mlv and ther ei sno knowledg ewhat is preceding the current structure Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] page-break after \section
Hans Hagen wrote: Thanks for your explanation! Do you know, how the LaTeX people solved this problem? I've never had such surprises with LaTeX. ... interference with preceding material); i do (did) observe that latex has a different spacing model (and interfering penalties may be a reason why sometimes spacing gets messed up); LaTeX is pretty good in keeping section heads together with the following material, but the tradeoff is that sometimes it inserts massive amounts of whitespace on a page, because a section head and a subsection head and the following first two paragraph lines all appear after an automatically inserted pagebreak. IIRC, it also makes float placements harder to predict. Best wishes, Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] page-break after \section
On 3/20/07, Peter Münster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
in the following example, there is a page-break after the second section
title. \page[no] does not help.
Is this normal or a bug?
Normal, I believe
\starttext
\section{bla}
\dorecurse{36}{bla\par}
\section{bla}
\page[no]
\startitemize
\dorecurse{5}{\item bla}
\stopitemize
\stoptext
try this
%%
\showframe
\starttext
\section{bla}
\dorecurse{36}{bla\par}
\section{bla}
\page[no]
\startitemize
\dorecurse{5}{\item bla}
\stopitemize
\stoptext
%
and this
5
\showframe
\starttext
\section{bla}
\dorecurse{34}{bla\par} not 35 or 36 !
\section{bla}
\page[no]
\startitemize
\dorecurse{5}{\item bla}
\stopitemize
\stoptext
%%%
maybe some defaults spaces of \section
luigi
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