Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
Hi Hans, Thanks for the new beta. As Idris pointed out, the logic you follow for naming greeknumerals, romannumerals, persiannumerals, arabicnumerals, and all others in core-con.lua, makes sense but I didn’t notice this logic before… Which means one may learn each and evry day :-) As far as I know, at least in the Persian use of the abjad system of counting, the first case corresponding to the number 1, is usually written الف in order to avoid the confusion with the digit ۱ I don’t know if this can be fixed in the table you have in core-con.lua. A further remark is that, don’t you think that the pagenumbering, as well as the numbers for chapters, sections, items, equations, etc, should be switched by default to arabicdecimals, or persiandecimals, as soon as \mainlanguage has been set to arabic or persian? Or maybe one could have a command like \setupdefaultnumberings[arabicdecimals] which sets a default for conversion of numbers for all the counters. Again many thanks for the features you included in ConTeXt for bidi writing. Best regards: OK On 04 Aug 2015, at 01:30, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 8/3/2015 9:25 PM, Otared Kavian wrote: Hi Hans, Idris, Talal, Some years ago we had a discussion on the issue, but I don’t remember where we ended up… In my opinion, I think that the numberings should be maned as follows: arabicnumerals: should be ١,٢,٣,٤,٥,٦,٧,٨,٩,٠ persiannumerals: should be ۱ ۲ ۳ ۴ ۵ ۶ ۷ ۸ ۹ ۰ abjadnumerals: should be الف، ب، ج، د، ه، و، ز،….. As of today it seems that « persiannumerals » results in what should be named abjadnuemrals, and this is not correct. so you and idris and tatal has to come to some agreement on that we have these alphabetic ones arabicnumerals persiannumerals arabicexnumerals and some special ones abjadnumerals abjadnodotnumerals (these use small, medium, large chars and do special things with 10 100 1000) and now arabicdecimals persiandecimals see core-con.lua Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
On 8/4/2015 5:46 AM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hans, the beta is a solid step forward regarding bidi and Arabic support, and not just in footnotes. Thank you. However, it appears that my earlier declarations of ‘problem solved’ were a bit premature. Footnotes display everything correctly, but not linenumber notes. Using the three bidi methods of \setupdirections[bidi]: - ‘default’ orders the linenumber notes and their texts right-to-left, but any number therein is reversed (4102 instead of 2014). let's first try to get that one right .. new beta coming (also needs testing by idris - ‘one’ does not render either the note block nor the individual notes' texts right-to-left. i have to rewrite that one using more efficient means (i really need 48 hour sin a day) - ‘two’ is identical to method ‘one’. it is .. just a newer version of the unicode bidi one Compare these to regular footnotes, where everything is rendered correctly as of this new beta. you can trace flagging in default with: \enabletrackers[typesetters.directions.default] Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
Hi Hans, On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 09:13:34 -0600, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 8/3/2015 4:56 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: what would be the proper name for such a conversion? simplearabic? arabicdigits? [myconversion] [١,٢,٣,٤,٥,٦,٧,٨,٩,١٠, ١١,١٢,١٣,١٤,١٥,١٦,١٧,١٨,١٩,٢٠, ۲۱,۲۲,۲۳,۲٤,۲٥,۲٦,۲۷,۲۸,۲۹,۳۰, another million entries the next beta will have: \setuplinenumbering[conversion=arabicdecimals] What's wrong with 'persiannumerals' and 'arabicnumerals' which we had before? They are not supposed to by synonymous for abjadnumerals... In any case we need U+: [0030-0039] - [0660-0669]: arabicdecimals U+: [0030-0039] - [06F0-06F9]: persiandecimals Best wishes Idris -- Idris Samawi Hamid Professor of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
On 8/3/2015 5:42 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: Hi Hans, On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 09:13:34 -0600, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 8/3/2015 4:56 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: what would be the proper name for such a conversion? simplearabic? arabicdigits? [myconversion] [١,٢,٣,٤,٥,٦,٧,٨,٩,١٠, ١١,١٢,١٣,١٤,١٥,١٦,١٧,١٨,١٩,٢٠, ۲۱,۲۲,۲۳,۲٤,۲٥,۲٦,۲۷,۲۸,۲۹,۳۰, another million entries the next beta will have: \setuplinenumbering[conversion=arabicdecimals] What's wrong with 'persiannumerals' and 'arabicnumerals' which we had before? They are not supposed to by synonymous for abjadnumerals... In any case we need U+: [0030-0039] - [0660-0669]: arabicdecimals U+: [0030-0039] - [06F0-06F9]: persiandecimals don't confuse decimals with alphabetic ones a b c ... z aa ab ac ... az vs 1 2 3 ... 10 11 12 so decimals is mapping chars 0-9 onto whatever else, in principle we can have 15 = ae and 21 = ba Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 09:42:24 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد idris.ha...@colostate.edu wrote: U+: [0030-0039] - [0660-0669]: arabicdecimals U+: [0030-0039] - [06F0-06F9]: persiandecimals U+: [0030-0039]: latindecimals Just a reminder (and of course unicodedata.txt has this info): persiandecimals behave *exactly* as latindecimals, while arabicdecimals have a weak bidi property. Best wishes Idris -- Idris Samawi Hamid Professor of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 09:56:33 -0600, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 8/3/2015 5:42 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: Hi Hans, On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 09:13:34 -0600, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 8/3/2015 4:56 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: what would be the proper name for such a conversion? simplearabic? arabicdigits? [myconversion] [١,٢,٣,٤,٥,٦,٧,٨,٩,١٠, ١١,١٢,١٣,١٤,١٥,١٦,١٧,١٨,١٩,٢٠, ۲۱,۲۲,۲۳,۲٤,۲٥,۲٦,۲۷,۲۸,۲۹,۳۰, another million entries the next beta will have: \setuplinenumbering[conversion=arabicdecimals] What's wrong with 'persiannumerals' and 'arabicnumerals' which we had before? They are not supposed to by synonymous for abjadnumerals... In any case we need U+: [0030-0039] - [0660-0669]: arabicdecimals U+: [0030-0039] - [06F0-06F9]: persiandecimals don't confuse decimals with alphabetic ones a b c ... z aa ab ac ... az vs 1 2 3 ... 10 11 12 so decimals is mapping chars 0-9 onto whatever else, in principle we can have 15 = ae and 21 = ba Sure, but that's what abjadnumerals are for. Right now we have abjadnumerals=persiannumerals=arabicnumerals If that's intentional, then no problem, arabicdecimals and persiandecimals are fine nomenclature Ah, it just hit me: You're making a literal analogy with romannumerals Best wishes Idris -- Idris Samawi Hamid Professor of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
Just to note: all numbers in the body text are having their digits placed individually right-to-left. Notice, in the attached PDF, how the ١٤ is displayed as ٤١, and how ١٨٧٢ is ٢٧٨١ … but also the footnote marker is ٣١ instead of ١٣ as it correctly is below in the footnote itself. Is there any temporary work around for this, until we sort out the underlying causes? Talal PastedGraphic-1.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document On 3 Aug 2015, at 16:19, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 8/3/2015 3:54 PM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote: I am having problems with the directionality of numbers and mirrored characters (like parentheses). When using bidi, the numbers are inverted (5102 instead of 2015); with the explicit commands, the mirrored characters are inverted as well. we have several approaches: the oldest method is based on some heuristics and targets at tex input in the sense that we assume tagging and directional switches the other two are unicode bidi based (successive versions and there might be more as that evolves) in any case, everything bidi / rl has to fit into some system and that's something idris and i are working on (well, we did at some point but we need to pick up that thread) ... so maybe you can trigger idris into onthology mode and help him Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
On 8/3/2015 9:25 PM, Otared Kavian wrote: Hi Hans, Idris, Talal, Some years ago we had a discussion on the issue, but I don’t remember where we ended up… In my opinion, I think that the numberings should be maned as follows: arabicnumerals: should be ١,٢,٣,٤,٥,٦,٧,٨,٩,٠ persiannumerals: should be ۱ ۲ ۳ ۴ ۵ ۶ ۷ ۸ ۹ ۰ abjadnumerals: should be الف، ب، ج، د، ه، و، ز،….. As of today it seems that « persiannumerals » results in what should be named abjadnuemrals, and this is not correct. so you and idris and tatal has to come to some agreement on that we have these alphabetic ones arabicnumerals persiannumerals arabicexnumerals and some special ones abjadnumerals abjadnodotnumerals (these use small, medium, large chars and do special things with 10 100 1000) and now arabicdecimals persiandecimals see core-con.lua Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
Hans, the beta is a solid step forward regarding bidi and Arabic support, and
not just in footnotes. Thank you.
However, it appears that my earlier declarations of ‘problem solved’ were a bit
premature. Footnotes display everything correctly, but not linenumber notes.
Using the three bidi methods of \setupdirections[bidi]:
- ‘default’ orders the linenumber notes and their texts right-to-left, but any
number therein is reversed (4102 instead of 2014).
- ‘one’ does not render either the note block nor the individual notes' texts
right-to-left.
- ‘two’ is identical to method ‘one’.
Compare these to regular footnotes, where everything is rendered correctly as
of this new beta.
Below is a minimal example with resulting PDF output.
Talal
=
%%% LANGUAGE FONTS BIDI
\mainlanguage[arabic]
\definefontfamily [mainface] [rm] [ALM Fixed] [range=arabic,features=arabic]
\setupbodyfont[mainface,11pt]
\setupdirections[bidi=global,method=two,fences=no]
\setupalign[r2l]
%% HEADINGS
\setuppagenumber[numberconversion=arabicdecimals]
%%% NOTES
\definenote[footnote][% Used for my comments in English.
setups=note:footnote,
align=righttoleft,
rule={on,right},
paragraph=yes,
]
\setupnotations[footnote][%
align=righttoleft,
alternative=serried,
width=broad,
distance=.5em,
display=no,
numberconversion=arabicdecimals,
headstyle=\lefttoright,
]
\setuplinenumbering[%
style=\tfxx,
referencing=on,
step=1,
location=outer,
method=page,
align=left,
distance=1em,
width=0.4em,
conversion=arabicdecimals,
]
\definelinenote[linenotedefault][%
setups=note:linenotedefault,
align=righttoleft,
rule={on,right},
paragraph=yes,
]
\setupnotations[linenotedefault][%
align=righttoleft,
alternative=serried,
width=broad,
distance=.5em,
display=no,
numberconversion=arabicdecimals,
headstyle=\lefttoright,
]
\definelinenote[linenoteone][%
setups=note:linenoteone,
align=righttoleft,
rule={on,right},
paragraph=yes,
]
\setupnotations[linenoteone][%
align=righttoleft,
alternative=serried,
width=broad,
distance=.5em,
display=no,
numberconversion=arabicdecimals,
headstyle=\lefttoright,
]
\definelinenote[linenotetwo][%
setups=note:linenotetwo,
align=righttoleft,
rule={on,right},
paragraph=yes,
]
\setupnotations[linenotetwo][%
align=righttoleft,
alternative=serried,
width=broad,
distance=.5em,
display=no,
numberconversion=arabicdecimals,
headstyle=\lefttoright,
]
\startsetups[note:footnote]
\setupdirections[bidi=on,method=two,fences=no]
\stopsetups
\startsetups[note:linenotedefault]
\setupdirections[bidi=on,method=default]
\stopsetups
\startsetups[note:linenoteone]
\setupdirections[bidi=on,method=one]
\stopsetups
\startsetups[note:linenotetwo]
\setupdirections[bidi=on,method=two]
\stopsetups
%%% DOCUMENT
\starttext \showframe
\startlinenumbering
\input ward\footnote{هذه تعليقة أولى كتبت عام ٢٠١٤.}
\input ward\footnote{هذه تعليقة ثانية (٢٠١٤).}
\input ward\linenotedefault{هذه تعليقة أولى كتبت عام ٢٠١٤.}
\input ward\linenotedefault{هذه تعليقة ثانية (٢٠١٤).}
\input ward\linenoteone{هذه تعليقة أولى كتبت عام ٢٠١٤.}
\input ward\linenoteone{هذه تعليقة ثانية (٢٠١٤).}
\input ward\linenotetwo{هذه تعليقة أولى كتبت عام ٢٠١٤.}
\input ward\linenotetwo{هذه تعليقة ثانية (٢٠١٤).}
\stoplinenumbering
\stoptext
\stoptext
=
num-ar.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
On 3 Aug 2015, at 17:52, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Well, I don’t know if ‘solves’ the underlying questions that Hans wrote
about, but after some more fiddling, I now have all the numbers appearing as
I expect them to.
It required specifying `method=two` as part of
`\setupdirections[bidi=global,method=two]`. That, along with the
`numbercommand=\righttoleft` in \setuphead[section], means that it now looks
as I expect it to.
Unless someone identifies a problem with any of this, I think I’ll write up a
summary on the Wiki. Without trolling through the mailing list for anything
on RTL and then experimenting with the various combinations, it would be hard
for one to divine how to get this to work.
For posterity’s sake, here is a full MWE example:
==
%%% LANGUAGE AND FONTS
\mainlanguage[arabic]
\definefontfamily [mainface] [rm] [ALM Fixed][range=arabic,features=arabic]
\setupbodyfont[mainface,12pt]
\setupdirections[bidi=global,method=two]
\setupalign[r2l]
%\righttoleft
%% HEADINGS
\setuphead[section][
conversion=myconversion,
numbercommand=\righttoleft, % --
Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
what would be the proper name for such a conversion? simplearabic? arabicdigits? [myconversion] [١,٢,٣,٤,٥,٦,٧,٨,٩,١٠, ١١,١٢,١٣,١٤,١٥,١٦,١٧,١٨,١٩,٢٠, ۲۱,۲۲,۲۳,۲٤,۲٥,۲٦,۲۷,۲۸,۲۹,۳۰, another million entries Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
On 8/3/2015 4:56 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: what would be the proper name for such a conversion? simplearabic? arabicdigits? [myconversion] [١,٢,٣,٤,٥,٦,٧,٨,٩,١٠, ١١,١٢,١٣,١٤,١٥,١٦,١٧,١٨,١٩,٢٠, ۲۱,۲۲,۲۳,۲٤,۲٥,۲٦,۲۷,۲۸,۲۹,۳۰, another million entries the next beta will have: \setuplinenumbering[conversion=arabicdecimals] - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
On 8/3/2015 3:54 PM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote: I am having problems with the directionality of numbers and mirrored characters (like parentheses). When using bidi, the numbers are inverted (5102 instead of 2015); with the explicit commands, the mirrored characters are inverted as well. we have several approaches: the oldest method is based on some heuristics and targets at tex input in the sense that we assume tagging and directional switches the other two are unicode bidi based (successive versions and there might be more as that evolves) in any case, everything bidi / rl has to fit into some system and that's something idris and i are working on (well, we did at some point but we need to pick up that thread) ... so maybe you can trigger idris into onthology mode and help him Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
Well, I don’t know if ‘solves’ the underlying questions that Hans wrote about,
but after some more fiddling, I now have all the numbers appearing as I expect
them to.
It required specifying `method=two` as part of
`\setupdirections[bidi=global,method=two]`. That, along with the
`numbercommand=\righttoleft` in \setuphead[section], means that it now looks as
I expect it to.
Unless someone identifies a problem with any of this, I think I’ll write up a
summary on the Wiki. Without trolling through the mailing list for anything on
RTL and then experimenting with the various combinations, it would be hard for
one to divine how to get this to work.
For posterity’s sake, here is a full MWE example:
==
%%% LANGUAGE AND FONTS
\mainlanguage[arabic]
\definefontfamily [mainface] [rm] [ALM Fixed][range=arabic,features=arabic]
\setupbodyfont[mainface,12pt]
\setupdirections[bidi=global,method=two]
\setupalign[r2l]
%\righttoleft
%% HEADINGS
\setuphead[section][
conversion=myconversion,
numbercommand=\righttoleft, % -- toggle
]
\setuplinenumbering[conversion=myconversion]
\setupnotations[footnote][numberconversion=myconversion]
\setupnotations[linenote][numberconversion=myconversion]
\setuppagenumber[numberconversion=myconversion]
\defineconversion
[myconversion]
[١,٢,٣,٤,٥,٦,٧,٨,٩,١٠,
١١,١٢,١٣,١٤,١٥,١٦,١٧,١٨,١٩,٢٠,
۲۱,۲۲,۲۳,۲٤,۲٥,۲٦,۲۷,۲۸,۲۹,۳۰,
٣١,٣٢,٣٣,٣٤,٣٥,٣٦,٣٧,٣٨,٣٩,٤٠,
٤١,٤٢,٤٣,٤٤,٤٥,٤٦,٤٧,٤٨,٤٩,٥٠,
٥١,٥٢,٥٣,٥٤,٥٥,٥٦,٥٧,٥٨,٥٩,٦٠,
٦١,٦٢,٦٣,٦٤,٦٥,٦٦,٦٧,٦٨,٦٩,٧٠,
٧١,٧٢,٧٣,٧٤,٧٥,٧٦,٧٧,٧٨,٧٩,٨٠,
٨١,٨٢,٨٣,٨٤,٨٥,٨٦,٨٧,٨٨,٨٩,٩٠,
٩١,٩٢,٩٣,٩٤,٩٥,٩٦,٩٧,٩٨,٩٩,١٠٠,
١٠١,١٠٢,١٠٣,١٠٤,١٠٥,١٠٦,١٠٧,١٠٨,١٠٩,١١٠,
١١١,١١٢,١١٣,١١٤,١١٥,١١٦,١١٧,١١٨,١١٩,١٢٠,
١٢١,١٢٢,١٢٣,١٢٤,١٢٥,١٢٦,١٢٧,١٢٨,١٢٩,١٣٠,
١٣١,١٣٢,١٣٣,١٣٤,١٣٥,١٣٦,١٣٧,١٣٨,١٣٩,١١٣٠,
١٤١,١٤٢,١٤٣,١٤٤,١٤٥,١٤٦,١٤٧,١٤٨,١٤٩,١٥٠,
١٥١,١٥٢,١٥٣,١٥٤,١٥٥,١٥٦,١٥٧,١٥٨,١٥٩,١٦٠,
١٦١,١٦٢,١٦٣,١٦٤,١٦٥,١٦٦,١٦٧,١٦٨,١٦٩,١٧٠,
١٧١,١٧٢,١٧٣,١٧٤,١٧٥,١٧٦,١٧٧,١٧٨,١٧٩,١٨٠,
١٨١,١٨٢,١٨٣,١٨٤,١٨٥,١٨٦,١٨٧,١٨٨,١٨٩,١٩٠,
١٩١,١٩٢,١٩٣,١٩٤,١٩٥,١٩٦,١٩٧,١٩٨,١٩٩,٢٠٠,
٢٠١,٢٠٢,٢٠٣,٢٠٤,٢٠٥,٢٠٦,٢٠٧,٢٠٨,٢٠٩,٢١٠,
٢١١,٢١٢,٢١٣,٢١٤,٢١٥,٢١٦,٢١٧,٢١٨,٢١٩,٢٢٠,
٢٢١,٢٢٢,٢٢٣,٢٢٤,٢٢٥,٢٢٦,٢٢٧,٢٢٨,٢٢٩,٢٣٠,
٢٣١,٢٣٢,٢٣٣,٢٣٤,٢٣٥,٢٣٦,٢٣٧,٢٣٨,٢٣٩,٢٢٣٠,
٢٤١,٢٤٢,٢٤٣,٢٤٤,٢٤٥,٢٤٦,٢٤٧,٢٤٨,٢٤٩,٢٥٠,
٢٥١,٢٥٢,٢٥٣,٢٥٤,٢٥٥,٢٥٦,٢٥٧,٢٥٨,٢٥٩,٢٦٠,
٢٦١,٢٦٢,٢٦٣,٢٦٤,٢٦٥,٢٦٦,٢٦٧,٢٦٨,٢٦٩,٢٧٠,
٢٧١,٢٧٢,٢٧٣,٢٧٤,٢٧٥,٢٧٦,٢٧٧,٢٧٨,٢٧٩,٢٨٠,
٢٨١,٢٨٢,٢٨٣,٢٨٤,٢٨٥,٢٨٦,٢٨٧,٢٨٨,٢٨٩,٢٩٠,
٢٩١,٢٩٢,٢٩٣,٢٩٤,٢٩٥,٢٩٦,٢٩٧,٢٩٨,٢٩٩,٣٠٠,
]
%%% DOCUMENT
\starttext \showframe
\section{section one}
\startlinenumbering
\input tufte
\input tufte
\stoplinenumbering
\dorecurse{20}{
\section{محمد الجمل (١٨٧٢—١٩٢٣)}
مرحباً باعالم . ١٢٣٤٥٦٧٨٩٠ مرحباً بالعالم. ولد عام ١٩٣٤.
\footnote{تعليقة لطيفة.}
\pagebreak
}
\stoptext
==
Best wishes,
Talal
On 3 Aug 2015, at 17:29, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Just to note: all numbers in the body text are having their digits placed
individually right-to-left. Notice, in the attached PDF, how the ١٤ is
displayed as ٤١, and how ١٨٧٢ is ٢٧٨١ … but also the footnote marker is ٣١
instead of ١٣ as it correctly is below in the footnote itself.
Is there any temporary work around for this, until we sort out the underlying
causes?
Talal
PastedGraphic-1.pdf
On 3 Aug 2015, at 16:19, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
On 8/3/2015 3:54 PM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
I am having problems with the directionality of numbers and mirrored
characters (like parentheses). When using bidi, the numbers are inverted
(5102 instead of 2015); with the explicit commands, the mirrored
characters are inverted as well.
we have several approaches:
the oldest method is based on some heuristics and targets at tex input in
the sense that we assume tagging and directional switches
the other two are unicode bidi based (successive versions and there might be
more as that evolves)
in any case, everything bidi / rl has to fit into some system and that's
something idris and i are working on (well, we did at some point but we need
to pick up that thread) ... so maybe you can trigger idris into onthology
mode and help him
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
Hi Hans, Idris, Talal, Some years ago we had a discussion on the issue, but I don’t remember where we ended up… In my opinion, I think that the numberings should be maned as follows: arabicnumerals: should be ١,٢,٣,٤,٥,٦,٧,٨,٩,٠ persiannumerals: should be ۱ ۲ ۳ ۴ ۵ ۶ ۷ ۸ ۹ ۰ abjadnumerals: should be الف، ب، ج، د، ه، و، ز،….. As of today it seems that « persiannumerals » results in what should be named abjadnuemrals, and this is not correct. Best regards: OK On 03 Aug 2015, at 16:56, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: what would be the proper name for such a conversion? simplearabic? arabicdigits? [myconversion] [١,٢,٣,٤,٥,٦,٧,٨,٩,١٠, ١١,١٢,١٣,١٤,١٥,١٦,١٧,١٨,١٩,٢٠, ۲۱,۲۲,۲۳,۲٤,۲٥,۲٦,۲۷,۲۸,۲۹,۳۰, another million entries Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
I am having problems with the directionality of numbers and mirrored characters (like parentheses). When using bidi, the numbers are inverted (5102 instead of 2015); with the explicit commands, the mirrored characters are inverted as well.For reasons I think I understand, this is only happening in the text: the problem occurs with numbers in headings (chapters, etc.), and likewise in the main of the text. The digits of footnotes, linemargin numbers, and page numbers are correctly arranged.I have learnt that if I add the option [numbercommand=\lefttoright] to \setuphead[section], I can get the digits in the section number to be in the right order. But this does not address the problem of other numbers in the text.How do I solve this? I am happy to abandon the conveniences of bidi, as Idris suggests might be needed (see below), but it didn’t get any easier when trying to do it manually. See MWE below.With thanks,Talalp.s. The Wiki page on "Arabic and Hebrew" is out of date, instructing the use of\setcharactermirroring[1]which is clearly deprecated now in favour of \setupdirections[bidi=global]. I am happy to update the wiki page once I get my head around things. Does anybody have an authoritative list of the various commands related to right-to-left, as well as what combinations are not needed (e.g. are \setupalign[r2l] and \righttoleft overlapping, or do they play different roles)?%%% LANGUAGE AND FONTS\mainlanguage[arabic] \definefontfamily [mainface] [rm] [ALM Fixed][range=arabic,features=arabic] \setupbodyfont[mainface,12pt]%\setupdirections[bidi=global]\setupalign[r2l]%\righttoleft%% HEADINGS\setuphead[chapter,section][ conversion=myconversion,% numbercommand=\lefttoright % -- toggle ]\setuplinenumbering[conversion=myconversion]\setupnotations[footnote][numberconversion=myconversion]\setupnotations[linenote][numberconversion=myconversion]\setuppagenumber[numberconversion=myconversion]\defineconversion [myconversion] [١,٢,٣,٤,٥,٦,٧,٨,٩,١٠, ١١,١٢,١٣,١٤,١٥,١٦,١٧,١٨,١٩,٢٠, ۲۱,۲۲,۲۳,۲٤,۲٥,۲٦,۲۷,۲۸,۲۹,۳۰, ٣١,٣٢,٣٣,٣٤,٣٥,٣٦,٣٧,٣٨,٣٩,٤٠, ٤١,٤٢,٤٣,٤٤,٤٥,٤٦,٤٧,٤٨,٤٩,٥٠, ٥١,٥٢,٥٣,٥٤,٥٥,٥٦,٥٧,٥٨,٥٩,٦٠, ٦١,٦٢,٦٣,٦٤,٦٥,٦٦,٦٧,٦٨,٦٩,٧٠, ٧١,٧٢,٧٣,٧٤,٧٥,٧٦,٧٧,٧٨,٧٩,٨٠, ٨١,٨٢,٨٣,٨٤,٨٥,٨٦,٨٧,٨٨,٨٩,٩٠, ٩١,٩٢,٩٣,٩٤,٩٥,٩٦,٩٧,٩٨,٩٩,١٠٠, ١٠١,١٠٢,١٠٣,١٠٤,١٠٥,١٠٦,١٠٧,١٠٨,١٠٩,١١٠, ١١١,١١٢,١١٣,١١٤,١١٥,١١٦,١١٧,١١٨,١١٩,١٢٠, ١٢١,١٢٢,١٢٣,١٢٤,١٢٥,١٢٦,١٢٧,١٢٨,١٢٩,١٣٠, ١٣١,١٣٢,١٣٣,١٣٤,١٣٥,١٣٦,١٣٧,١٣٨,١٣٩,١١٣٠, ١٤١,١٤٢,١٤٣,١٤٤,١٤٥,١٤٦,١٤٧,١٤٨,١٤٩,١٥٠, ١٥١,١٥٢,١٥٣,١٥٤,١٥٥,١٥٦,١٥٧,١٥٨,١٥٩,١٦٠, ١٦١,١٦٢,١٦٣,١٦٤,١٦٥,١٦٦,١٦٧,١٦٨,١٦٩,١٧٠, ١٧١,١٧٢,١٧٣,١٧٤,١٧٥,١٧٦,١٧٧,١٧٨,١٧٩,١٨٠, ١٨١,١٨٢,١٨٣,١٨٤,١٨٥,١٨٦,١٨٧,١٨٨,١٨٩,١٩٠, ١٩١,١٩٢,١٩٣,١٩٤,١٩٥,١٩٦,١٩٧,١٩٨,١٩٩,٢٠٠, ٢٠١,٢٠٢,٢٠٣,٢٠٤,٢٠٥,٢٠٦,٢٠٧,٢٠٨,٢٠٩,٢١٠, ٢١١,٢١٢,٢١٣,٢١٤,٢١٥,٢١٦,٢١٧,٢١٨,٢١٩,٢٢٠, ٢٢١,٢٢٢,٢٢٣,٢٢٤,٢٢٥,٢٢٦,٢٢٧,٢٢٨,٢٢٩,٢٣٠, ٢٣١,٢٣٢,٢٣٣,٢٣٤,٢٣٥,٢٣٦,٢٣٧,٢٣٨,٢٣٩,٢٢٣٠, ٢٤١,٢٤٢,٢٤٣,٢٤٤,٢٤٥,٢٤٦,٢٤٧,٢٤٨,٢٤٩,٢٥٠, ٢٥١,٢٥٢,٢٥٣,٢٥٤,٢٥٥,٢٥٦,٢٥٧,٢٥٨,٢٥٩,٢٦٠, ٢٦١,٢٦٢,٢٦٣,٢٦٤,٢٦٥,٢٦٦,٢٦٧,٢٦٨,٢٦٩,٢٧٠, ٢٧١,٢٧٢,٢٧٣,٢٧٤,٢٧٥,٢٧٦,٢٧٧,٢٧٨,٢٧٩,٢٨٠, ٢٨١,٢٨٢,٢٨٣,٢٨٤,٢٨٥,٢٨٦,٢٨٧,٢٨٨,٢٨٩,٢٩٠, ٢٩١,٢٩٢,٢٩٣,٢٩٤,٢٩٥,٢٩٦,٢٩٧,٢٩٨,٢٩٩,٣٠٠,]%%% DOCUMENT\starttext \showframe\section{section one}\startlinenumbering\input tufte\input tufte\stoplinenumbering\dorecurse{20}{\section{محمد الجمل (١٨٧٢—١٩٢٣)} مرحباً باعالم . ١٢٣٤٥٦٧٨٩٠ مرحباً بالعالم. ولد عام١٩٣٤.\footnote{تعليقة لطيفة.}\pagebreak}\stoptext=
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On 2 Aug 2015, at 18:15, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد idris.ha...@colostate.edu wrote:Dear Talal,Salaam. See below:On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 07:31:37 -0600, tala...@fastmail.fm tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:Thank you very much for this, Idris. It works nicely in the sample file you sent. But it goes off again once you add \setupdirections[bidi=global]. Consider the following:==snip\setupdirections[bidi=global]\setupthinrules[color=white]\setupwhitespace[big]\section{Incorrect}\startlinenumbering\startalignment[r2l]هذه رسالة لطيفة ألفها العالم الكبير الفهامة النحرير.هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفها الشيخ الفاضل...\thinrule===You're right. \thinrule has LR unicode characters which is probably why it gets thrown off. So if you turn off global bidi and then either 1) just go with either global RL or 2) invoke RL inside the linenumbering it will work:% \setupdirections[bidi=global]\righttoleft %% global RLor just\startlinenumbering\righttoleft %% local RL, not needed if global RL invoked\startalignment[r2l]Again, it's a barbarous (and temporary) workaround. See attached.WassalaamIdrisPS Unless there is a lot of Latin in the critical edition file, I would probably depend more on explicit dir commands (\righttolet, \lefttoright) and less on bidi, which is still buggy in a number of ways. Beyond the ConTeXt implementation: The unicode bidi algorithm was not designed with advanced typesetting and typography in mind, works best for text-editing etc. per se. so local bidi *may perhaps* be more useful than global bidi for the critical-edition portion your project.I'm
Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
Thanks for that, Wolfgang. I can only hope that, as the culprit is known, it
can be apprehended!
Idris: here is the document that I had sent (and many thanks to you and to
Pablo for the more general advice):
\unexpanded\def\doVariant#1#2#3%
{\startlinenote[#1]{#2] #3}#2\stoplinenote[#1]}
\newcounter\countvariants
\unexpanded\def\variant
{\doglobal\increment\countvariants
\normalexpanded{\doVariant{Varia:\countvariants}}}
\setupalign[r2l]
\showframe \starttext
\section{Correct}
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Pellentesque
molestie dictum quam non congue. Integer ut dolor vel mi vestibulum molestie
vel et nulla. Morbi id justo vitae quam rhoncus tincidunt ut adipiscing nisi.
\section{Incorrect}
\startlinenumbering
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Pellentesque
molestie dictum quam non congue. Integer ut dolor vel mi vestibulum molestie
vel et nulla. Morbi id justo vitae quam rhoncus tincidunt ut adipiscing nisi.
\stoplinenumbering
\stoptext
All the best,
Talal
On 1 Aug 2015, at 19:47, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com
wrote:
tala...@fastmail.fm mailto:tala...@fastmail.fm 1. August 2015 17:37
Sorry to pester, but this problem is barring me from moving my book project
into ConTeXt this weekend.
The use of linenumbers seems to throw off the R2L mechanism. Example of the
problem attached.
The culprit is the function boxed.stage_two in page.lua which output each
text line in the line numbering
environment in left to right mode. When you have justified lines everything
is fine but when you have a ragged
line (e.g. the last line in a paragraph) ConTeXt aligns the context with the
left margin.
\starttext \showframe
\startalignment[righttoleft,flushleft]
\input ward
\blank
\startlinenumbering
\input ward
\stoplinenumbering
\stopalignment
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
Thank you very much for this, Idris. It works nicely in the sample file you
sent. But it goes off again once you add \setupdirections[bidi=global].
Consider the following:
==
\setuppapersize[A6]
\definefontfamily[mainface][serif][ALMFixed][%
features=arabic,
range=arabic,
]
\setupbodyfont [mainface]
\starttext \showframe
\setupdirections[bidi=global]
\setupthinrules[color=white]
\setupwhitespace[big]
\section{Incorrect}
\startlinenumbering
\startalignment[r2l]
هذه رسالة لطيفة ألفها العالم الكبير الفهامة النحرير.
هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفها الشيخ الفاضل...
\thinrule
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Pellentesque molestie
dictum quam non congue. Integer ut dolor vel mi vestibulum molestie vel et
nulla.
\stopalignment
\stoplinenumbering
\section{Correct}
\startalignment[r2l]
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Pellentesque molestie
dictum quam non congue. Integer ut dolor vel mi vestibulum molestie vel et
nulla.
\stopalignment
\stoptext
=
With many thanks, and salam,
Talal
On 2 Aug 2015, at 12:51, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
idris.ha...@colostate.edu wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 03:24:12 -0600, tala...@fastmail.fm tala...@fastmail.fm
wrote:
Thanks for that, Wolfgang. I can only hope that, as the culprit is known, it
can be apprehended!
Talal, here is a barbarous workaround using \thinrule:
==
\setuppapersize[A6]
\starttext \showframe
\setupthinrules[color=white]
\setupwhitespace[big]
\section{Incorrect}
\startlinenumbering
\startalignment[r2l]
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Pellentesque
molestie dictum quam non congue. Integer ut dolor vel mi vestibulum molestie
vel et nulla.\thinrule
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Pellentesque
molestie dictum quam non congue. Integer ut dolor vel mi vestibulum molestie
vel et nulla.
\stopalignment
\stoplinenumbering
\section{Correct}
\startalignment[r2l]
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Pellentesque
molestie dictum quam non congue. Integer ut dolor vel mi vestibulum molestie
vel et nulla.
\stopalignment
\stoptext
==
This effectively hides the problem. Unfortunately it is apparently not
straightforward to invoke the \thinrule automatically at the end of every
paragraph [see the other thread with Alan].
Best wishes
Idris
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Professor of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523
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Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 03:24:12 -0600, tala...@fastmail.fm
tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Thanks for that, Wolfgang. I can only hope that, as the culprit is
known, it can be apprehended!
Talal, here is a barbarous workaround using \thinrule:
==
\setuppapersize[A6]
\starttext \showframe
\setupthinrules[color=white]
\setupwhitespace[big]
\section{Incorrect}
\startlinenumbering
\startalignment[r2l]
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Pellentesque
molestie dictum quam non congue. Integer ut dolor vel mi vestibulum
molestie vel et nulla.\thinrule
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Pellentesque
molestie dictum quam non congue. Integer ut dolor vel mi vestibulum
molestie vel et nulla.
\stopalignment
\stoplinenumbering
\section{Correct}
\startalignment[r2l]
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Pellentesque
molestie dictum quam non congue. Integer ut dolor vel mi vestibulum
molestie vel et nulla.
\stopalignment
\stoptext
==
This effectively hides the problem. Unfortunately it is apparently not
straightforward to invoke the \thinrule automatically at the end of every
paragraph [see the other thread with Alan].
Best wishes
Idris
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Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
Dear Talal,
Salaam. See below:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 07:31:37 -0600, tala...@fastmail.fm
tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Thank you very much for this, Idris. It works nicely in the sample file
you sent. But it goes off again once you add
\setupdirections[bidi=global]. Consider the following:
==
snip
\setupdirections[bidi=global]
\setupthinrules[color=white]
\setupwhitespace[big]
\section{Incorrect}
\startlinenumbering
\startalignment[r2l]
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\thinrule
===
You're right. \thinrule has LR unicode characters which is probably why it
gets thrown off. So if you turn off global bidi and then either 1) just go
with either global RL or 2) invoke RL inside the linenumbering it will
work:
% \setupdirections[bidi=global]
\righttoleft %% global RL
or just
\startlinenumbering
\righttoleft %% local RL, not needed if global RL invoked
\startalignment[r2l]
Again, it's a barbarous (and temporary) workaround. See attached.
Wassalaam
Idris
PS Unless there is a lot of Latin in the critical edition file, I would
probably depend more on explicit dir commands (\righttolet, \lefttoright)
and less on bidi, which is still buggy in a number of ways. Beyond the
ConTeXt implementation: The unicode bidi algorithm was not designed with
advanced typesetting and typography in mind, works best for text-editing
etc. per se. so local bidi *may perhaps* be more useful than global bidi
for the critical-edition portion your project.
I'm not at all suggesting that this particular bug should not be a
priority; printing paragraph lines in a linenumbering environment *must*
be direction-agnostic. Just a matter of general strategy to consider.
--
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Professor of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523
r2l-linenumbering-arabic.tex
Description: TeX document
r2l-linenumbering-arabic.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
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Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
Thank you very much for this, Idris. What with the other bugs and problems I’ve
faced with R2L (in footnotes, etc.), I was starting to wonder whether a more
explicit, rather than global, use of RTL might be a better approach. I’m going
to experiment with them, at least to learn how to use them with greater focus.
The good news is that apparently Hans has already patched the page-lin.lua file
that Wolfgang had identified as the culprit, and it will be included in the
next beta.
Many thanks to you, Pablo, Wolfgang, and of course Hans so much for your help
in getting these right-to-left issues solved. There are a couple of small bidi
issues remaining, including that mentioned in the “footnotes when using RtL
(Arabic)” thread. The one or two other ones I will post shortly. But, in any
case, I have now completely moved my project over into ConTeXt, confident that
it (and the team behind it) can handle all of the needs of a multilingual
academic monograph and of a bi-direction, Arabic critical edition’s need
With many thanks,
Talal
On 2 Aug 2015, at 18:15, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
idris.ha...@colostate.edu wrote:
Dear Talal,
Salaam. See below:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 07:31:37 -0600, tala...@fastmail.fm tala...@fastmail.fm
wrote:
Thank you very much for this, Idris. It works nicely in the sample file you
sent. But it goes off again once you add \setupdirections[bidi=global].
Consider the following:
==
snip
\setupdirections[bidi=global]
\setupthinrules[color=white]
\setupwhitespace[big]
\section{Incorrect}
\startlinenumbering
\startalignment[r2l]
هذه رسالة لطيفة ألفها العالم الكبير الفهامة النحرير.
هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفها الشيخ الفاضل...
\thinrule
===
You're right. \thinrule has LR unicode characters which is probably why it
gets thrown off. So if you turn off global bidi and then either 1) just go
with either global RL or 2) invoke RL inside the linenumbering it will work:
% \setupdirections[bidi=global]
\righttoleft %% global RL
or just
\startlinenumbering
\righttoleft %% local RL, not needed if global RL invoked
\startalignment[r2l]
Again, it's a barbarous (and temporary) workaround. See attached.
Wassalaam
Idris
PS Unless there is a lot of Latin in the critical edition file, I would
probably depend more on explicit dir commands (\righttolet, \lefttoright) and
less on bidi, which is still buggy in a number of ways. Beyond the ConTeXt
implementation: The unicode bidi algorithm was not designed with advanced
typesetting and typography in mind, works best for text-editing etc. per se.
so local bidi *may perhaps* be more useful than global bidi for the
critical-edition portion your project.
I'm not at all suggesting that this particular bug should not be a priority;
printing paragraph lines in a linenumbering environment *must* be
direction-agnostic. Just a matter of general strategy to consider.
--
Idris Samawi Hamid
Professor of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO
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Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
Dear Talal,
Salaam.
Your tex file linertl.tex appears to be corrupted, could you either repost
it or send it to me off list?
I was also going to write something similar to Pablo. My suggestion is to
move forward with the rest of your project and this will almost certainly
be solved before you're done. Unless Hans says that there is no chance of
a fix, which I *highly* doubt. Send a reminder to the list every few days
or so, as you did today.
Proceeding this way produces an uneasy feeling; believe me, I know. But
I've been in your shoes more times than I can count and it always worked
out in the end.
Best wishes
Idris
On Sat, 01 Aug 2015 09:37:57 -0600, tala...@fastmail.fm
tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Sorry to pester, but this problem is barring me from moving my book
project into ConTeXt this weekend.
The use of linenumbers seems to throw off the R2L mechanism. Example of
the problem attached.
On 30 Jul 2015, at 16:30, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
There seems to be some limitation (or bug) in right-to-left (r2l)
alignment, when used alongside linenumbering. Consider the following:
\setuppapersize[A6]
\starttext \showframe
\section{Incorrect}
\startlinenumbering
\startalignment[r2l]
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Pellentesque
molestie dictum quam non congue. Integer ut dolor vel mi vestibulum
molestie vel et nulla.
\stopalignment
\stoplinenumbering
\section{Correct}
\startalignment[r2l]
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Pellentesque
molestie dictum quam non congue. Integer ut dolor vel mi vestibulum
molestie vel et nulla.
\stopalignment
\stoptext
The RTL alignment works correctly on its own. However, when you
introduce another factor — here, linenumbers — the RTL alignment is
ignored.
Perhaps this linked to the problem with of RTL footnotes being
discussed here: gmane.comp.tex.context/92113
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/92113?
Best wishes,
Talal
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Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
On 08/01/2015 05:37 PM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote: Sorry to pester, but this problem is barring me from moving my book project into ConTeXt this weekend. The use of linenumbers seems to throw off the R2L mechanism. Example of the problem attached. Hi Talal, I’m afraid that I don’t have a fix for what it might be a bug in ConTeXt. If you want to work on you book before a fix is released, I’d suggest you to add the following line at the top of your document: \definestartstop[linenumbering] This will deactivate line numbering and it will allow you to work on the rest of the book without having to add any code later. If your book is already finished, you only have to wait for the fix ;-). Just in case it helps, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
Sorry to pester, but this problem is barring me from moving my book project into ConTeXt this weekend.The use of linenumbers seems to throw off the R2L mechanism. Example ofthe problem attached.
linertl.pdf
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On 30 Jul 2015, at 16:30, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:There seems to be some limitation (or bug) in right-to-left (r2l) alignment, when used alongside linenumbering. Consider the following:\setuppapersize[A6]\starttext \showframe\section{Incorrect}\startlinenumbering\startalignment[r2l]Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Pellentesque molestie dictum quam non congue. Integer ut dolor vel mi vestibulum molestie vel et nulla.\stopalignment\stoplinenumbering\section{Correct}\startalignment[r2l]Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Pellentesque molestie dictum quam non congue. Integer ut dolor vel mi vestibulum molestie vel et nulla.\stopalignment\stoptextThe RTL alignment works correctly on its own. However, whenyou introduce another factor — here, linenumbers — the RTL alignment is ignored.Perhaps this linked to the problem with of RTL footnotes being discussed here:gmane.comp.tex.context/92113?Best wishes,Talal___If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-contextwebpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.netarchive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/wiki : http://contextgarden.net__
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Re: [NTG-context] r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?
tala...@fastmail.fm mailto:tala...@fastmail.fm 1. August 2015 17:37 Sorry to pester, but this problem is barring me from moving my book project into ConTeXt this weekend. The use of linenumbers seems to throw off the R2L mechanism. Example of the problem attached. The culprit is the function boxed.stage_two in page.lua which output each text line in the line numbering environment in left to right mode. When you have justified lines everything is fine but when you have a ragged line (e.g. the last line in a paragraph) ConTeXt aligns the context with the left margin. \starttext \showframe \startalignment[righttoleft,flushleft] \input ward \blank \startlinenumbering \input ward \stoplinenumbering \stopalignment \stoptext Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
