Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news
And then there's this, from yesterday's Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/07/britons-privacy-not-important Kurt On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: Its the weekend, so lets go on a tangent it'll be fun! I think that maybe you have been a systems admin for too long, Ed. I find that most people do not like the idea of anyone having power to snoop into their lives without their knowledge or at their consent. This really has nothing to do with innocence and guilt. This focuses on the potential abuse of information. For comparison's sake, its like a forced confession, without the protection of the Seal of the Confessional. And if you think that the Roman Catholic church rose to power without abusing information gathered in confessionals, I just so happen to have a bridge you might be interested in buying... its a real steal. To modernize the issue abit, consider how COINTELPRO was used/abused by the government [officially] since 1956 against real and perceived threats against the government and what *they* (those with power) considered right until it was flushed out in the early 70's (flushed out only because of a break-in to an FBI facility and the physical theft of information). All the actions of COINTELPRO, good and bad, done without the knowledge or consent of the people. Read that Wikipedia article, read into how they gathered information, and tell me if you agree with the program, its practices, or methods. Because its the abuse of private/personal rights that allows programs like COINTELPRO to exist. I don't mean this to sound insincere in any way:, but you may want to review of the Bill of Rights and ponder a bit as to why they were created. In my mind, because of the prior abuses of those with power - in order to protect those without. I like to think that my/our country is partly founded on these ideals. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to think so. True or not, I'd like to see it *be* true. At least for my own sake - Screw everyone else. ;-) -- Espi On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Ziots, Edward ezi...@lifespan.org wrote: They are going to do what they want regardless of what the citizens protest too. One of the long reaching effects of the Patriot Act and other similar laws. Again why would they want to install cameras in my house. Nothing much to see J. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, CISA, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org Work:401-255-2497 This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Rene de Haas Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:16 AM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news So they can do whatever they want because you have nothing to hide. Where do you draw the line? You also don't mind if they install camera's in your house? Op 7 sep. 2013 20:44 schreef Ziots, Edward ezi...@lifespan.org het volgende: Remember if you have nothing to hide, then why fear? Personally could care less if something or someone is snopping emails, and communications. I hate to tell you this but they have been doing this for years… without your knowledge and for reasons we will probably not comprehend or care to waste time in the day to comprehend. Just my opinion take it for what its worth… Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, CISA, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org Work:401-255-2497 This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of William Robbins Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 10:50 PM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
RE: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news
Espi, I haven't been a systems admin for a while, but that has nothing to do with this discussion. We just have different points of view. My view is I have nothing to hide so I am not as concerned about the govt programs snooping on this or that, I go about my day try and be a good person and citizen and live my life as any normal human being would. There has been survelliance going on for years, why is there such an uproar about it, or have we all forgotten what has happened over the last decade and the terrible loss on life both on US soil and in wars in lands far away. Trust me I do, being ex military. And I also understand why the programs and the perceived abuse of power is happening, and the agreements for it to be allowed to continue are still accepted. (Politics, and power grabs aside) Again I am not taking sides, I am just wise enough these days to understand that there is nothing I personally do about nor care to do about it. So bitching, whining and moaning about these minor intrusions on our day to day lives is little consequence to me. Thanks, Going Dark Again: I have malware to hunt down and analyze, and my job to do, even if it's a Sunday here on the east coast. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, CISA, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org Work:401-255-2497 This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Micheal Espinola Jr Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:36 PM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news Its the weekend, so lets go on a tangent it'll be fun! I think that maybe you have been a systems admin for too long, Ed. I find that most people do not like the idea of anyone having power to snoop into their lives without their knowledge or at their consent. This really has nothing to do with innocence and guilt. This focuses on the potential abuse of information. For comparison's sake, its like a forced confession, without the protection of the Seal of the Confessionalhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_the_Confessional_and_the_Catholic_Church. And if you think that the Roman Catholic church rose to power without abusing information gathered in confessionals, I just so happen to have a bridge you might be interested in buying... its a real steal. To modernize the issue abit, consider how COINTELPROhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO was used/abused by the government [officially] since 1956 against real and perceived threats against the government and what *they* (those with power) considered right until it was flushed out in the early 70's (flushed out only because of a break-in to an FBI facility and the physical theft of information). All the actions of COINTELPRO, good and bad, done without the knowledge or consent of the people. Read that Wikipedia article, read into how they gathered information, and tell me if you agree with the program, its practices, or methods. Because its the abuse of private/personal rights that allows programs like COINTELPRO to exist. I don't mean this to sound insincere in any way:, but you may want to review of the Bill of Rights and ponder a bit as to why they were created. In my mind, because of the prior abuses of those with power - in order to protect those without. I like to think that my/our country is partly founded on these ideals. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to think so. True or not, I'd like to see it *be* true. At least for my own sake - Screw everyone else. ;-) -- Espi On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Ziots, Edward ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org wrote: They are going to do what they want regardless of what the citizens protest too. One of the long reaching effects of the Patriot Act and other similar laws. Again why would they want to install cameras in my house. Nothing much to see :). Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, CISA, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org Work:401-255-2497tel:401-255-2497 This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering
RE: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news
We could say the same thing about the bashing of both Presidents Bush. The chants of no blood for oil and Bush lied people died continue to this very day. Heard the second one on Bloomberg just this morning. The puppet theater goes on. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Micheal Espinola Jr Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 11:06 PM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news Intentionally misquoting is to make something not true, seem true. Text for the YouTube impaired: * http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp * http://www.google.com/search?q=define:fake I think we are all long aware of the what was actually said, and the political climate involving Gore at the time - but seriously, how many years does this really tired and lame joke have to go on? What exactly is funny regarding spreading an intentional misquote used to disparage someone? You may say lighten up - but I say, its things like this that degrade society in general. -- Espi On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM, William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Not entirely fake. Misquoted for humor's sake perhaps. I took the initiative in creating the Internet... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlco http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlcofeature=player_detailpage#t=40 feature=player_detailpage#t=40 Lighten up Francis. - WJR On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I don't care for Al Gore, but I really don't understand why this fake quote still gets regurgitated. I don't understand how there is humor to be found in complete falsehood. -- Espi On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.gov mailto:joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.gov wrote: You forget. Al Gore created the internet. Joe Heaton Enterprise Server Support CA Department of Fish and Wildlife 1807 13th Street, Suite 201 Sacramento, CA 95811 Desk: (916) 323-1284 tel:%28916%29%20323-1284 From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com ] On Behalf Of William Robbins Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:11 AM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news Not that I disagree with the intent of the article, nor need to reform. However This is not the internet the world needs, or the internet its creators envisioned. is an odd statement. I do feel obliged to point out the Internet originated as a DARPA project: http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/History.aspx So what would a military complex envision exactly if not .gov utilization? - WJR On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Here's what you probably haven't seen, and it's IMNSHO better coverage. What Bruce has to say is always worth the read https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html
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Nice false equivalency there. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:14 PM, John Matteson john.matte...@gmail.comwrote: We could say the same thing about the bashing of both Presidents Bush. The chants of “no blood for oil” and “Bush lied people died” continue to this very day. Heard the second one on Bloomberg just this morning. ** ** The puppet theater goes on. ** ** *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Micheal Espinola Jr *Sent:* Friday, September 06, 2013 11:06 PM *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news ** ** Intentionally misquoting is to make something not true, seem true. Text for the YouTube impaired: ** ** - http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp - http://www.google.com/search?q=define:fake ** ** I think we are all long aware of the what was actually said, and the political climate involving Gore at the time - but seriously, how many years does this really tired and lame joke have to go on? What exactly is funny regarding spreading an intentional misquote used to disparage someone? You may say lighten up - but I say, its things like this that degrade society in general. ** ** -- Espi ** ** On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM, William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Not entirely fake. Misquoted for humor's sake perhaps. I took the initiative in creating the Internet... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlcofeature=player_detailpage#t=40* *** Lighten up Francis. - WJR ** ** On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I don't care for Al Gore, but I really don't understand why this fake quote still gets regurgitated. I don't understand how there is humor to be found in complete falsehood. -- Espi ** ** On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.gov wrote: You forget… Al Gore created the internet. Joe Heaton Enterprise Server Support CA Department of Fish and Wildlife 1807 13th Street, Suite 201 Sacramento, CA 95811 Desk: (916) 323-1284 *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *William Robbins *Sent:* Friday, September 06, 2013 8:11 AM *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news Not that I disagree with the intent of the article, nor need to reform. However This is not the internet the world needs, or t*he internet its creators envisioned*. is an odd statement. I do feel obliged to point out the Internet originated as a DARPA project: http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/History.aspx So what would a military complex envision exactly if not .gov utilization? - WJR On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:*** * Here's what you probably haven't seen, and it's IMNSHO better coverage. What Bruce has to say is always worth the read https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html ** ** ** ** ** **
RE: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news
In your opinion. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Link Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 12:51 PM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news Nice false equivalency there. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:14 PM, John Matteson john.matte...@gmail.com mailto:john.matte...@gmail.com wrote: We could say the same thing about the bashing of both Presidents Bush. The chants of no blood for oil and Bush lied people died continue to this very day. Heard the second one on Bloomberg just this morning. The puppet theater goes on. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com ] On Behalf Of Micheal Espinola Jr Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 11:06 PM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news Intentionally misquoting is to make something not true, seem true. Text for the YouTube impaired: * http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp * http://www.google.com/search?q=define:fake I think we are all long aware of the what was actually said, and the political climate involving Gore at the time - but seriously, how many years does this really tired and lame joke have to go on? What exactly is funny regarding spreading an intentional misquote used to disparage someone? You may say lighten up - but I say, its things like this that degrade society in general. -- Espi On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM, William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Not entirely fake. Misquoted for humor's sake perhaps. I took the initiative in creating the Internet... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlco http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlcofeature=player_detailpage#t=40 feature=player_detailpage#t=40 Lighten up Francis. - WJR On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I don't care for Al Gore, but I really don't understand why this fake quote still gets regurgitated. I don't understand how there is humor to be found in complete falsehood. -- Espi On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.gov mailto:joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.gov wrote: You forget. Al Gore created the internet. Joe Heaton Enterprise Server Support CA Department of Fish and Wildlife 1807 13th Street, Suite 201 Sacramento, CA 95811 Desk: (916) 323-1284 tel:%28916%29%20323-1284 From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com ] On Behalf Of William Robbins Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:11 AM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news Not that I disagree with the intent of the article, nor need to reform. However This is not the internet the world needs, or the internet its creators envisioned. is an odd statement. I do feel obliged to point out the Internet originated as a DARPA project: http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/History.aspx So what would a military complex envision exactly if not .gov utilization? - WJR On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Here's what you probably haven't seen, and it's IMNSHO better coverage. What Bruce has to say is always worth the read https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html
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Right back at you. Still doesn't fix your false equivalence problem, though. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 3:25 PM, John Matteson john.matte...@gmail.comwrote: All politics are local, and all politics are opinions, reported by news media that have axes to grind and have been paid to fold, spindle and mutilate facts into a story that is palatable to the editorial staff and their sponsors for consumption by an expanding population that lack the basic abilities of comprehension and logical reasoning. ** ** The “no blood for oil” chanters are the same group of people that spat on a Supreme Court ruling and chanted “Bush was anointed, not elected”. ** ** Don’t like what I have to say about it? The delete key is your friend. *** * ** ** *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Link *Sent:* Saturday, September 07, 2013 2:15 PM *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news ** ** Pretty weak comeback. Comparing the misquote of someone running for office to the blame people place on the ones who implemented policies while they held office is the very definition of false equivalence, and it works on multiple levels. ** ** On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 2:06 PM, John Matteson john.matte...@gmail.com wrote: In your opinion. *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Link *Sent:* Saturday, September 07, 2013 12:51 PM *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news Nice false equivalency there. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:14 PM, John Matteson john.matte...@gmail.com wrote: We could say the same thing about the bashing of both Presidents Bush. The chants of “no blood for oil” and “Bush lied people died” continue to this very day. Heard the second one on Bloomberg just this morning. The puppet theater goes on. *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Micheal Espinola Jr *Sent:* Friday, September 06, 2013 11:06 PM *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news Intentionally misquoting is to make something not true, seem true. Text for the YouTube impaired: - http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp - http://www.google.com/search?q=define:fake I think we are all long aware of the what was actually said, and the political climate involving Gore at the time - but seriously, how many years does this really tired and lame joke have to go on? What exactly is funny regarding spreading an intentional misquote used to disparage someone? You may say lighten up - but I say, its things like this that degrade society in general. -- Espi On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM, William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Not entirely fake. Misquoted for humor's sake perhaps. I took the initiative in creating the Internet... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlcofeature=player_detailpage#t=40* *** Lighten up Francis. - WJR On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I don't care for Al Gore, but I really don't understand why this fake quote still gets regurgitated. I don't understand how there is humor to be found in complete falsehood. -- Espi On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.gov wrote: You forget… Al Gore created the internet. Joe Heaton Enterprise Server Support CA Department of Fish and Wildlife 1807 13th Street, Suite 201 Sacramento, CA 95811 Desk: (916) 323-1284 *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *William Robbins *Sent:* Friday, September 06, 2013 8:11 AM *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news Not that I disagree with the intent of the article, nor need to reform. However This is not the internet the world needs, or t*he internet its creators envisioned*. is an odd statement. I do feel obliged to point out the Internet originated as a DARPA project: http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/History.aspx So what would a military complex envision exactly if not .gov utilization? - WJR On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:*** * Here's what you probably haven't seen, and it's IMNSHO better coverage. What Bruce has to say is always worth the read https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives
Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news
Not that I disagree with the intent of the article, nor need to reform. However This is not the internet the world needs, or t*he internet its creators envisioned*. is an odd statement. I do feel obliged to point out the Internet originated as a DARPA project: http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/History.aspx So what would a military complex envision exactly if not .gov utilization? - WJR On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Here's what you probably haven't seen, and it's IMNSHO better coverage. What Bruce has to say is always worth the read https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html
RE: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news
You forget... Al Gore created the internet. Joe Heaton Enterprise Server Support CA Department of Fish and Wildlife 1807 13th Street, Suite 201 Sacramento, CA 95811 Desk: (916) 323-1284 From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of William Robbins Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:11 AM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news Not that I disagree with the intent of the article, nor need to reform. However This is not the internet the world needs, or the internet its creators envisioned. is an odd statement. I do feel obliged to point out the Internet originated as a DARPA project: http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/History.aspx So what would a military complex envision exactly if not .gov utilization? - WJR On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Here's what you probably haven't seen, and it's IMNSHO better coverage. What Bruce has to say is always worth the read https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html
Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news
Interesting comments from him here- Undermining the Very Fabric of the Internet: Bruce Schneier on NSA's Secret Online Spying http://www.democracynow.org/2013/9/6/undermining_the_very_fabric_of_the From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Micheal Espinola Jr Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 8:55 PM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [spam] [dkim-failure] Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news Wow: Recommendation #1, use TOR. And here I thought the darknet was only gonna be for thieves and pedophiles... -- Espi On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Here's what you probably haven't seen, and it's IMNSHO better coverage. What Bruce has to say is always worth the read https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html PGE is committed to protecting our customers' privacy. To learn more, please visit http://www.pge.com/about/company/privacy/customer/
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I love listening to this man, and I love these quotes, the more you can do to raise the cost of being eavesdropped on, the safer you are. ... the matter is making yourself more expensive to hack. -- Espi On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote: Interesting comments from him here- ** ** Undermining the Very Fabric of the Internet: Bruce Schneier on NSA’s Secret Online Spying ** ** http://www.democracynow.org/2013/9/6/undermining_the_very_fabric_of_the*** * ** ** ** ** *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Micheal Espinola Jr *Sent:* Thursday, September 05, 2013 8:55 PM *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com *Subject:* [spam] [dkim-failure] Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news ** ** Wow: Recommendation #1, use TOR. And here I thought the darknet was only gonna be for thieves and pedophiles... -- Espi ** ** On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Here's what you probably haven't seen, and it's IMNSHO better coverage. What Bruce has to say is always worth the read https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html ** ** -- PGE is committed to protecting our customers' privacy. To learn more, please visit http://www.pge.com/about/company/privacy/customer/ --
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I don't care for Al Gore, but I really don't understand why this fake quote still gets regurgitated. I don't understand how there is humor to be found in complete falsehood. -- Espi On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.gov wrote: You forget… Al Gore created the internet. ** ** Joe Heaton Enterprise Server Support CA Department of Fish and Wildlife 1807 13th Street, Suite 201 Sacramento, CA 95811 Desk: (916) 323-1284 ** ** *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *William Robbins *Sent:* Friday, September 06, 2013 8:11 AM *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news ** ** Not that I disagree with the intent of the article, nor need to reform. However This is not the internet the world needs, or t*he internet its creators envisioned*. is an odd statement. I do feel obliged to point out the Internet originated as a DARPA project: http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/History.aspx So what would a military complex envision exactly if not .gov utilization? - WJR ** ** On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:*** * Here's what you probably haven't seen, and it's IMNSHO better coverage. What Bruce has to say is always worth the read https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html ** **
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Oh yeah! What was I thinking? :) - WJR On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.gov wrote: You forget… Al Gore created the internet. ** ** Joe Heaton Enterprise Server Support CA Department of Fish and Wildlife 1807 13th Street, Suite 201 Sacramento, CA 95811 Desk: (916) 323-1284 ** ** *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *William Robbins *Sent:* Friday, September 06, 2013 8:11 AM *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news ** ** Not that I disagree with the intent of the article, nor need to reform. However This is not the internet the world needs, or t*he internet its creators envisioned*. is an odd statement. I do feel obliged to point out the Internet originated as a DARPA project: http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/History.aspx So what would a military complex envision exactly if not .gov utilization? - WJR ** ** On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:*** * Here's what you probably haven't seen, and it's IMNSHO better coverage. What Bruce has to say is always worth the read https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html ** **
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Intentionally misquoting is to make something not true, seem true. Text for the YouTube impaired: - http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp - http://www.google.com/search?q=define:fake I think we are all long aware of the what was actually said, and the political climate involving Gore at the time - but seriously, how many years does this really tired and lame joke have to go on? What exactly is funny regarding spreading an intentional misquote used to disparage someone? You may say lighten up - but I say, its things like this that degrade society in general. -- Espi On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM, William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.comwrote: Not entirely fake. Misquoted for humor's sake perhaps. I took the initiative in creating the Internet... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlcofeature=player_detailpage#t=40 Lighten up Francis. - WJR On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I don't care for Al Gore, but I really don't understand why this fake quote still gets regurgitated. I don't understand how there is humor to be found in complete falsehood. -- Espi On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.gov wrote: You forget… Al Gore created the internet. ** ** Joe Heaton Enterprise Server Support CA Department of Fish and Wildlife 1807 13th Street, Suite 201 Sacramento, CA 95811 Desk: (916) 323-1284 ** ** *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *William Robbins *Sent:* Friday, September 06, 2013 8:11 AM *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news ** ** Not that I disagree with the intent of the article, nor need to reform. However This is not the internet the world needs, or t*he internet its creators envisioned*. is an odd statement. I do feel obliged to point out the Internet originated as a DARPA project: http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/History.aspx So what would a military complex envision exactly if not .gov utilization? - WJR ** ** On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:* *** Here's what you probably haven't seen, and it's IMNSHO better coverage. What Bruce has to say is always worth the read https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html ** **
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So...because it's late and I'm bored... How else would I took the initiative in creating the Internet. be construed? Now, full disclosure, I really don't care. The former Vice-President misspoke, and as pointed out recovered well later explaining he was tired from being up late creating the camcorder. Also kinda humorous. I'm not certain I could lay responsibility for the degradation of society at the feet of this in good conscious. For that I blame television. :P - WJR On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: Intentionally misquoting is to make something not true, seem true. Text for the YouTube impaired: - http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp - http://www.google.com/search?q=define:fake I think we are all long aware of the what was actually said, and the political climate involving Gore at the time - but seriously, how many years does this really tired and lame joke have to go on? What exactly is funny regarding spreading an intentional misquote used to disparage someone? You may say lighten up - but I say, its things like this that degrade society in general. -- Espi On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM, William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.comwrote: Not entirely fake. Misquoted for humor's sake perhaps. I took the initiative in creating the Internet... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlcofeature=player_detailpage#t=40 Lighten up Francis. - WJR On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: I don't care for Al Gore, but I really don't understand why this fake quote still gets regurgitated. I don't understand how there is humor to be found in complete falsehood. -- Espi On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife joseph.hea...@wildlife.ca.gov wrote: You forget… Al Gore created the internet. ** ** Joe Heaton Enterprise Server Support CA Department of Fish and Wildlife 1807 13th Street, Suite 201 Sacramento, CA 95811 Desk: (916) 323-1284 ** ** *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *William Robbins *Sent:* Friday, September 06, 2013 8:11 AM *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you have all seen today's news ** ** Not that I disagree with the intent of the article, nor need to reform. However This is not the internet the world needs, or t*he internet its creators envisioned*. is an odd statement. I do feel obliged to point out the Internet originated as a DARPA project: http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/History.aspx So what would a military complex envision exactly if not .gov utilization? - WJR ** ** On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Here's what you probably haven't seen, and it's IMNSHO better coverage. What Bruce has to say is always worth the read https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html ** **
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Wow: Recommendation #1, use TOR. And here I thought the darknet was only gonna be for thieves and pedophiles... -- Espi On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Here's what you probably haven't seen, and it's IMNSHO better coverage. What Bruce has to say is always worth the read https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html
