Re: Windows x64 under ESX
Curious, how large is your Oracle DB? What kind of resources do you have carved out? How many transactions run through it? On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We're running Oracle on a VM. It does work. They do whine on support calls. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Sherry Abercrombiesaber...@gmail.com wrote: Oracle does support running on VMWare, however, they do stipulate how many times you can fail over/move a VM per year based on your licensing agreement which is of course based on CPU On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We have a number of application vendors that do not support running on VMs. Most of the applications will work fine assuming your VMs have solid performance. It helps if you are a medium size company with large support contracts in strong arming them into helping out. Steven On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Steven M. Caesarescaes...@caesare.com wrote: Oh, an incidentally, Oracle appears to not officially support their stuff running in any VM other than their own… Take that FWIW. -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows x64 under ESX Good to know. Do the tools not run properly in WoW64 or is it that they aren't officially supported? Jeff On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: We occasionally run in to some “support” issues on 64bit stuff. And some vendors *cough*oracle*cough* seem to have a hard time getting many of their support tools updated to run and be supported in WoW64 L But I think we’ve only built one 32bit VM in the last couple of years… -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Windows x64 under ESX
You have a link to that? Our DBA team has found at least one stipulating that it's only supported under their VM, and I'd love to see something more definitive. -sc From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows x64 under ESX Oracle does support running on VMWare, however, they do stipulate how many times you can fail over/move a VM per year based on your licensing agreement which is of course based on CPU On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We have a number of application vendors that do not support running on VMs. Most of the applications will work fine assuming your VMs have solid performance. It helps if you are a medium size company with large support contracts in strong arming them into helping out. Steven On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Steven M. Caesarescaes...@caesare.com wrote: Oh, an incidentally, Oracle appears to not officially support their stuff running in any VM other than their own... Take that FWIW. -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows x64 under ESX Good to know. Do the tools not run properly in WoW64 or is it that they aren't officially supported? Jeff On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: We occasionally run in to some support issues on 64bit stuff. And some vendors *cough*oracle*cough* seem to have a hard time getting many of their support tools updated to run and be supported in WoW64 L But I think we've only built one 32bit VM in the last couple of years... -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Windows x64 under ESX
Not entirely sure. Most of our Oracle installations are on UNIX. The Oracle DBAs treat this install with barely concealed disdain, it being on Windows and such. I help support the VMware and OS side of it and continually point out that if the application crashes the error does not mean it's a Windows problem. It's small by our standards. 200-300 GB though it is growing. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Don Elydon@gmail.com wrote: Curious, how large is your Oracle DB? What kind of resources do you have carved out? How many transactions run through it? On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We're running Oracle on a VM. It does work. They do whine on support calls. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Sherry Abercrombiesaber...@gmail.com wrote: Oracle does support running on VMWare, however, they do stipulate how many times you can fail over/move a VM per year based on your licensing agreement which is of course based on CPU On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We have a number of application vendors that do not support running on VMs. Most of the applications will work fine assuming your VMs have solid performance. It helps if you are a medium size company with large support contracts in strong arming them into helping out. Steven On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Steven M. Caesarescaes...@caesare.com wrote: Oh, an incidentally, Oracle appears to not officially support their stuff running in any VM other than their own… Take that FWIW. -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows x64 under ESX Good to know. Do the tools not run properly in WoW64 or is it that they aren't officially supported? Jeff On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: We occasionally run in to some “support” issues on 64bit stuff. And some vendors *cough*oracle*cough* seem to have a hard time getting many of their support tools updated to run and be supported in WoW64 L But I think we’ve only built one 32bit VM in the last couple of years… -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Windows x64 under ESX
How many users are hitting it? How much RAM and processor did you give to it? On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: Not entirely sure. Most of our Oracle installations are on UNIX. The Oracle DBAs treat this install with barely concealed disdain, it being on Windows and such. I help support the VMware and OS side of it and continually point out that if the application crashes the error does not mean it's a Windows problem. It's small by our standards. 200-300 GB though it is growing. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Don Elydon@gmail.com wrote: Curious, how large is your Oracle DB? What kind of resources do you have carved out? How many transactions run through it? On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We're running Oracle on a VM. It does work. They do whine on support calls. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Sherry Abercrombiesaber...@gmail.com wrote: Oracle does support running on VMWare, however, they do stipulate how many times you can fail over/move a VM per year based on your licensing agreement which is of course based on CPU On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We have a number of application vendors that do not support running on VMs. Most of the applications will work fine assuming your VMs have solid performance. It helps if you are a medium size company with large support contracts in strong arming them into helping out. Steven On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Steven M. Caesarescaes...@caesare.com wrote: Oh, an incidentally, Oracle appears to not officially support their stuff running in any VM other than their own… Take that FWIW. -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows x64 under ESX Good to know. Do the tools not run properly in WoW64 or is it that they aren't officially supported? Jeff On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: We occasionally run in to some “support” issues on 64bit stuff. And some vendors *cough*oracle*cough* seem to have a hard time getting many of their support tools updated to run and be supported in WoW64 L But I think we’ve only built one 32bit VM in the last couple of years… -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Windows x64 under ESX
2 CPU, 4GB ram. Around 30-40 clients hitting it with the app. The ESX Host is a DL580G5, we just added a DL580G6 to cluster them now. (Remote office) On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Don Elydon@gmail.com wrote: How many users are hitting it? How much RAM and processor did you give to it? On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: Not entirely sure. Most of our Oracle installations are on UNIX. The Oracle DBAs treat this install with barely concealed disdain, it being on Windows and such. I help support the VMware and OS side of it and continually point out that if the application crashes the error does not mean it's a Windows problem. It's small by our standards. 200-300 GB though it is growing. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Don Elydon@gmail.com wrote: Curious, how large is your Oracle DB? What kind of resources do you have carved out? How many transactions run through it? On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We're running Oracle on a VM. It does work. They do whine on support calls. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Sherry Abercrombiesaber...@gmail.com wrote: Oracle does support running on VMWare, however, they do stipulate how many times you can fail over/move a VM per year based on your licensing agreement which is of course based on CPU On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We have a number of application vendors that do not support running on VMs. Most of the applications will work fine assuming your VMs have solid performance. It helps if you are a medium size company with large support contracts in strong arming them into helping out. Steven On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Steven M. Caesarescaes...@caesare.com wrote: Oh, an incidentally, Oracle appears to not officially support their stuff running in any VM other than their own… Take that FWIW. -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows x64 under ESX Good to know. Do the tools not run properly in WoW64 or is it that they aren't officially supported? Jeff On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: We occasionally run in to some “support” issues on 64bit stuff. And some vendors *cough*oracle*cough* seem to have a hard time getting many of their support tools updated to run and be supported in WoW64 L But I think we’ve only built one 32bit VM in the last couple of years… -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Windows x64 under ESX
A link to that no, I just know what we have in our contract with them. You need to talk to your Oracle sales rep. Ours comes for a visit on-site with us (by us, I mean the DBA's) about once a quarter and either brings them lunch, or takes them out to lunch. I think he was told that either they would support Oracle in our VMWare environment, or we would be going to another (read SQL) platform and our DBA's are proficient in either platform so they didn't care which one was used. Yeah, we've got a pretty big Oracle installation here, so it was significant enough to get their attention. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: You have a link to that? Our DBA team has found at least one stipulating that it’s only supported under their VM, and I’d love to see something more definitive. -sc *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:40 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Windows x64 under ESX Oracle does support running on VMWare, however, they do stipulate how many times you can fail over/move a VM per year based on your licensing agreement which is of course based on CPU On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We have a number of application vendors that do not support running on VMs. Most of the applications will work fine assuming your VMs have solid performance. It helps if you are a medium size company with large support contracts in strong arming them into helping out. Steven On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Steven M. Caesarescaes...@caesare.com wrote: Oh, an incidentally, Oracle appears to not officially support their stuff running in any VM other than their own… Take that FWIW. -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows x64 under ESX Good to know. Do the tools not run properly in WoW64 or is it that they aren't officially supported? Jeff On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: We occasionally run in to some “support” issues on 64bit stuff. And some vendors *cough*oracle*cough* seem to have a hard time getting many of their support tools updated to run and be supported in WoW64 L But I think we’ve only built one 32bit VM in the last couple of years… -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Windows x64 under ESX
I should see if NIH has tried that. We get licensing via pass thru from them, and never see the actual reps. All the public stuff Oracle publishes says no. Thanks Sherry. -sc From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows x64 under ESX A link to that no, I just know what we have in our contract with them. You need to talk to your Oracle sales rep. Ours comes for a visit on-site with us (by us, I mean the DBA's) about once a quarter and either brings them lunch, or takes them out to lunch. I think he was told that either they would support Oracle in our VMWare environment, or we would be going to another (read SQL) platform and our DBA's are proficient in either platform so they didn't care which one was used. Yeah, we've got a pretty big Oracle installation here, so it was significant enough to get their attention. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: You have a link to that? Our DBA team has found at least one stipulating that it's only supported under their VM, and I'd love to see something more definitive. -sc From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows x64 under ESX Oracle does support running on VMWare, however, they do stipulate how many times you can fail over/move a VM per year based on your licensing agreement which is of course based on CPU On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We have a number of application vendors that do not support running on VMs. Most of the applications will work fine assuming your VMs have solid performance. It helps if you are a medium size company with large support contracts in strong arming them into helping out. Steven On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Steven M. Caesarescaes...@caesare.com wrote: Oh, an incidentally, Oracle appears to not officially support their stuff running in any VM other than their own... Take that FWIW. -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows x64 under ESX Good to know. Do the tools not run properly in WoW64 or is it that they aren't officially supported? Jeff On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: We occasionally run in to some support issues on 64bit stuff. And some vendors *cough*oracle*cough* seem to have a hard time getting many of their support tools updated to run and be supported in WoW64 L But I think we've only built one 32bit VM in the last couple of years... -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Windows x64 under ESX
We've had no trouble at all. From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Windows x64 under ESX
Depends on your processor(s) Xeons should be fine, others you may have to do some research on. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Windows x64 under ESX
We occasionally run in to some support issues on 64bit stuff. And some vendors *cough*oracle*cough* seem to have a hard time getting many of their support tools updated to run and be supported in WoW64 L But I think we've only built one 32bit VM in the last couple of years... -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Windows x64 under ESX
Good to know. Do the tools not run properly in WoW64 or is it that they aren't officially supported? Jeff On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: We occasionally run in to some “support” issues on 64bit stuff. And some vendors **cough**oracle*cough* seem to have a hard time getting many of their support tools updated to run and be supported in WoW64 L But I think we’ve only built one 32bit VM in the last couple of years… -sc *From:* Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Windows x64 under ESX
We've not had any issue with the tools. We run mixed flavors from windows 2000 (still, sigh) to windows 2008 x86/x64. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Jeff Buntingbunting.j...@gmail.com wrote: Good to know. Do the tools not run properly in WoW64 or is it that they aren't officially supported? Jeff On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: We occasionally run in to some “support” issues on 64bit stuff. And some vendors *cough*oracle*cough* seem to have a hard time getting many of their support tools updated to run and be supported in WoW64 L But I think we’ve only built one 32bit VM in the last couple of years… -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Windows x64 under ESX
I think in one case the installer barfed, but they DBA team was able to hand-install some utility they needed. In another case it was a support issue I believe, but the stuff ran. That actually was a bit ago, and may no longer be an issue... I'd just suggest you determine what your SW vendors will formally support in order to CYA. -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows x64 under ESX Good to know. Do the tools not run properly in WoW64 or is it that they aren't officially supported? Jeff On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: We occasionally run in to some support issues on 64bit stuff. And some vendors *cough*oracle*cough* seem to have a hard time getting many of their support tools updated to run and be supported in WoW64 L But I think we've only built one 32bit VM in the last couple of years... -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Windows x64 under ESX
Oh, an incidentally, Oracle appears to not officially support their stuff running in any VM other than their own... Take that FWIW. -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows x64 under ESX Good to know. Do the tools not run properly in WoW64 or is it that they aren't officially supported? Jeff On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: We occasionally run in to some support issues on 64bit stuff. And some vendors *cough*oracle*cough* seem to have a hard time getting many of their support tools updated to run and be supported in WoW64 L But I think we've only built one 32bit VM in the last couple of years... -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Windows x64 under ESX
We have a number of application vendors that do not support running on VMs. Most of the applications will work fine assuming your VMs have solid performance. It helps if you are a medium size company with large support contracts in strong arming them into helping out. Steven On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Steven M. Caesarescaes...@caesare.com wrote: Oh, an incidentally, Oracle appears to not officially support their stuff running in any VM other than their own… Take that FWIW. -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows x64 under ESX Good to know. Do the tools not run properly in WoW64 or is it that they aren't officially supported? Jeff On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: We occasionally run in to some “support” issues on 64bit stuff. And some vendors *cough*oracle*cough* seem to have a hard time getting many of their support tools updated to run and be supported in WoW64 L But I think we’ve only built one 32bit VM in the last couple of years… -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Windows x64 under ESX
Oracle does support running on VMWare, however, they do stipulate how many times you can fail over/move a VM per year based on your licensing agreement which is of course based on CPU On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We have a number of application vendors that do not support running on VMs. Most of the applications will work fine assuming your VMs have solid performance. It helps if you are a medium size company with large support contracts in strong arming them into helping out. Steven On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Steven M. Caesarescaes...@caesare.com wrote: Oh, an incidentally, Oracle appears to not officially support their stuff running in any VM other than their own… Take that FWIW. -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows x64 under ESX Good to know. Do the tools not run properly in WoW64 or is it that they aren't officially supported? Jeff On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: We occasionally run in to some “support” issues on 64bit stuff. And some vendors *cough*oracle*cough* seem to have a hard time getting many of their support tools updated to run and be supported in WoW64 L But I think we’ve only built one 32bit VM in the last couple of years… -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Windows x64 under ESX
We're running Oracle on a VM. It does work. They do whine on support calls. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Sherry Abercrombiesaber...@gmail.com wrote: Oracle does support running on VMWare, however, they do stipulate how many times you can fail over/move a VM per year based on your licensing agreement which is of course based on CPU On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: We have a number of application vendors that do not support running on VMs. Most of the applications will work fine assuming your VMs have solid performance. It helps if you are a medium size company with large support contracts in strong arming them into helping out. Steven On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Steven M. Caesarescaes...@caesare.com wrote: Oh, an incidentally, Oracle appears to not officially support their stuff running in any VM other than their own… Take that FWIW. -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows x64 under ESX Good to know. Do the tools not run properly in WoW64 or is it that they aren't officially supported? Jeff On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: We occasionally run in to some “support” issues on 64bit stuff. And some vendors *cough*oracle*cough* seem to have a hard time getting many of their support tools updated to run and be supported in WoW64 L But I think we’ve only built one 32bit VM in the last couple of years… -sc From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Windows x64 under ESX We have a couple of templates set up to quickly create Win 2003 VMs (Standard or Enterprise). It occurred to me, is there any reason to use the 32bit flavor any more? We're still on ESX 3.5, which supports 64bit. Are there any downsides I haven't considered? Drivers shouldn't be an issue on a VM, and I'm not aware of any application compatibility issues. Jeff ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke Sent from Haslet, TX, United States ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
