Re: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on Radar this morning

2015-12-25 Thread mscheibel49 
My two cents; a large flock of geese taking flight simultaneously could well be 
due to disturbance, human or otherwise & it is hunting season
Merry Christmas,
Mike S

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> On Dec 25, 2015, at 10:58 AM, David Nicosia  wrote:
> 
> That's a good point Ben. Plus why right at sunrise for geese??  We see this 
> with swallows a lot which roost in marshes and take off in the morning to 
> feed. Geese roost in the fields? I thought they fed in the fields. 
> Interesting stuff nevertheless.  
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Benjamin Van Doren  
>> wrote:
>> Interesting. I could well be wrong, but I wouldn't typically think of geese 
>> departing farm fields as doing so relatively uniformly on a broad circular 
>> front. Some groundtruthing might be worthwhile...
>> 
>> Benjamin 
>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:20 AM David Nicosia  
>>> wrote:
>>> thanks. I didn't think of geese. we often see swallows do this but it makes 
>>> sense. 
>>> 
 On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 8:25 AM, John Kent  wrote:
 That is geese you're seeing. Large numbers of them roost in farm fields 
 there at this time of year, and I have seen the same thing on radar in 
 December before. It's probably mostly Canadas, but sometimes there are 
 also lots of Snow Geese there.
 
 John Kent
 Selkirk, NY
 
> On Dec 25, 2015, at 8:12 AM, David Nicosia  wrote:
> 
> All, 
> 
> I noticed on the Albany National Weather Service radar between 617 am and 
> 654 am Christmas morning a circular pattern on radar like swallow morning 
> take off patterns we see in the late summer. This pattern was seen 
> originating from Valtie, NY... 42.41N and 73.68W (roughly). Below are 5 
> radar images that I grabbed which show this. 
> 
>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/albums/72157662199366610
> 
> The question is...are these radar echoes even birds or maybe insects?? 
> And, if so, what specie of bird (if they are birds)? I would say probably 
> starlings???  They couldn't be tree swallows since they should be long 
> gone.  Anyway, I have never seen this in the winter before.  Any thoughts 
> on this please share. 
> 
> Merry Christmas to all 
> 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on Radar this morning

2015-12-25 Thread David Nicosia 
Looks like some confirmation that the bird "ring" on radar this morning is
indeed starlings and late icterids. Thanks Nancy.

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Nancy Jane Kern 
wrote:

> I have been too busy this week to get my bird reports in, but the
> Valatie/Stuyvesant area had a dense murmuration of thousands of black birds
> with many European Starlings, Common Grackles, Brown-headed Cowbirds, and a
> few Red-winged Blackbirds in the past few days. These birds have been
> feeding on cornfields and soybean fields and perching in woods along these
> fields.
>
> There have been some flocks of a few hundred Canada Geese, but I doubt
> these have been significant on radar.
>
> Nancy Kern
> Austerlitz, Columbia Co., NY
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------
> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 10:58:59 -0500
> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on
> Radar this morning
> From: daven102...@gmail.com
> To: bmvando...@gmail.com
> CC: jwk...@fastmail.fm; cayugabird...@cornell.edu; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
>
>
> That's a good point Ben. Plus why right at sunrise for geese??  We see
> this with swallows a lot which roost in marshes and take off in the morning
> to feed. Geese roost in the fields? I thought they fed in the fields.
> Interesting stuff nevertheless.
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Benjamin Van Doren  > wrote:
>
> Interesting. I could well be wrong, but I wouldn't typically think of
> geese departing farm fields as doing so relatively uniformly on a broad
> circular front. Some groundtruthing might be worthwhile...
>
> Benjamin
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:20 AM David Nicosia 
> wrote:
>
> thanks. I didn't think of geese. we often see swallows do this but it
> makes sense.
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 8:25 AM, John Kent  wrote:
>
> That is geese you're seeing. Large numbers of them roost in farm fields
> there at this time of year, and I have seen the same thing on radar in
> December before. It's probably mostly Canadas, but sometimes there are also
> lots of Snow Geese there.
>
> John Kent
> Selkirk, NY
>
> On Dec 25, 2015, at 8:12 AM, David Nicosia  wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I noticed on the Albany National Weather Service radar between 617 am and
> 654 am Christmas morning a circular pattern on radar like swallow morning
> take off patterns we see in the late summer. This pattern was seen
> originating from Valtie, NY... 42.41N and 73.68W (roughly). Below are 5
> radar images that I grabbed which show this.
>
>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/albums/72157662199366610
>
> The question is...are these radar echoes even birds or maybe insects??
> And, if so, what specie of bird (if they are birds)? I would say probably
> starlings???  They couldn't be tree swallows since they should be long
> gone.  Anyway, I have never seen this in the winter before.  Any thoughts
> on this please share.
>
> Merry Christmas to all
>
> David Nicosia
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on Radar this morning

2015-12-25 Thread David Nicosia 
That's a good point Ben. Plus why right at sunrise for geese??  We see this
with swallows a lot which roost in marshes and take off in the morning to
feed. Geese roost in the fields? I thought they fed in the fields.
Interesting stuff nevertheless.

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Benjamin Van Doren 
wrote:

> Interesting. I could well be wrong, but I wouldn't typically think of
> geese departing farm fields as doing so relatively uniformly on a broad
> circular front. Some groundtruthing might be worthwhile...
>
> Benjamin
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:20 AM David Nicosia 
> wrote:
>
>> thanks. I didn't think of geese. we often see swallows do this but it
>> makes sense.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 8:25 AM, John Kent  wrote:
>>
>>> That is geese you're seeing. Large numbers of them roost in farm fields
>>> there at this time of year, and I have seen the same thing on radar in
>>> December before. It's probably mostly Canadas, but sometimes there are also
>>> lots of Snow Geese there.
>>>
>>> John Kent
>>> Selkirk, NY
>>>
>>> On Dec 25, 2015, at 8:12 AM, David Nicosia 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I noticed on the Albany National Weather Service radar between 617 am
>>> and 654 am Christmas morning a circular pattern on radar like swallow
>>> morning take off patterns we see in the late summer. This pattern was seen
>>> originating from Valtie, NY... 42.41N and 73.68W (roughly). Below are 5
>>> radar images that I grabbed which show this.
>>>
>>>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/albums/72157662199366610
>>>
>>> The question is...are these radar echoes even birds or maybe insects??
>>> And, if so, what specie of bird (if they are birds)? I would say probably
>>> starlings???  They couldn't be tree swallows since they should be long
>>> gone.  Anyway, I have never seen this in the winter before.  Any thoughts
>>> on this please share.
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas to all
>>>
>>> David Nicosia
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on Radar this morning

2015-12-25 Thread Benjamin Van Doren 
Interesting. I could well be wrong, but I wouldn't typically think of geese
departing farm fields as doing so relatively uniformly on a broad circular
front. Some groundtruthing might be worthwhile...

Benjamin
On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:20 AM David Nicosia 
wrote:

> thanks. I didn't think of geese. we often see swallows do this but it
> makes sense.
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 8:25 AM, John Kent  wrote:
>
>> That is geese you're seeing. Large numbers of them roost in farm fields
>> there at this time of year, and I have seen the same thing on radar in
>> December before. It's probably mostly Canadas, but sometimes there are also
>> lots of Snow Geese there.
>>
>> John Kent
>> Selkirk, NY
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2015, at 8:12 AM, David Nicosia  wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I noticed on the Albany National Weather Service radar between 617 am and
>> 654 am Christmas morning a circular pattern on radar like swallow morning
>> take off patterns we see in the late summer. This pattern was seen
>> originating from Valtie, NY... 42.41N and 73.68W (roughly). Below are 5
>> radar images that I grabbed which show this.
>>
>>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/albums/72157662199366610
>>
>> The question is...are these radar echoes even birds or maybe insects??
>> And, if so, what specie of bird (if they are birds)? I would say probably
>> starlings???  They couldn't be tree swallows since they should be long
>> gone.  Anyway, I have never seen this in the winter before.  Any thoughts
>> on this please share.
>>
>> Merry Christmas to all
>>
>> David Nicosia
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on Radar this morning

2015-12-25 Thread David Nicosia 
That's a good point Ben. Plus why right at sunrise for geese??  We see this
with swallows a lot which roost in marshes and take off in the morning to
feed. Geese roost in the fields? I thought they fed in the fields.
Interesting stuff nevertheless.

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Benjamin Van Doren 
wrote:

> Interesting. I could well be wrong, but I wouldn't typically think of
> geese departing farm fields as doing so relatively uniformly on a broad
> circular front. Some groundtruthing might be worthwhile...
>
> Benjamin
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:20 AM David Nicosia 
> wrote:
>
>> thanks. I didn't think of geese. we often see swallows do this but it
>> makes sense.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 8:25 AM, John Kent  wrote:
>>
>>> That is geese you're seeing. Large numbers of them roost in farm fields
>>> there at this time of year, and I have seen the same thing on radar in
>>> December before. It's probably mostly Canadas, but sometimes there are also
>>> lots of Snow Geese there.
>>>
>>> John Kent
>>> Selkirk, NY
>>>
>>> On Dec 25, 2015, at 8:12 AM, David Nicosia 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I noticed on the Albany National Weather Service radar between 617 am
>>> and 654 am Christmas morning a circular pattern on radar like swallow
>>> morning take off patterns we see in the late summer. This pattern was seen
>>> originating from Valtie, NY... 42.41N and 73.68W (roughly). Below are 5
>>> radar images that I grabbed which show this.
>>>
>>>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/albums/72157662199366610
>>>
>>> The question is...are these radar echoes even birds or maybe insects??
>>> And, if so, what specie of bird (if they are birds)? I would say probably
>>> starlings???  They couldn't be tree swallows since they should be long
>>> gone.  Anyway, I have never seen this in the winter before.  Any thoughts
>>> on this please share.
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas to all
>>>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on Radar this morning

2015-12-25 Thread mscheibel49 
My two cents; a large flock of geese taking flight simultaneously could well be 
due to disturbance, human or otherwise & it is hunting season
Merry Christmas,
Mike S

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 25, 2015, at 10:58 AM, David Nicosia  wrote:
> 
> That's a good point Ben. Plus why right at sunrise for geese??  We see this 
> with swallows a lot which roost in marshes and take off in the morning to 
> feed. Geese roost in the fields? I thought they fed in the fields. 
> Interesting stuff nevertheless.  
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Benjamin Van Doren  
>> wrote:
>> Interesting. I could well be wrong, but I wouldn't typically think of geese 
>> departing farm fields as doing so relatively uniformly on a broad circular 
>> front. Some groundtruthing might be worthwhile...
>> 
>> Benjamin 
>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:20 AM David Nicosia  
>>> wrote:
>>> thanks. I didn't think of geese. we often see swallows do this but it makes 
>>> sense. 
>>> 
 On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 8:25 AM, John Kent  wrote:
 That is geese you're seeing. Large numbers of them roost in farm fields 
 there at this time of year, and I have seen the same thing on radar in 
 December before. It's probably mostly Canadas, but sometimes there are 
 also lots of Snow Geese there.
 
 John Kent
 Selkirk, NY
 
> On Dec 25, 2015, at 8:12 AM, David Nicosia  wrote:
> 
> All, 
> 
> I noticed on the Albany National Weather Service radar between 617 am and 
> 654 am Christmas morning a circular pattern on radar like swallow morning 
> take off patterns we see in the late summer. This pattern was seen 
> originating from Valtie, NY... 42.41N and 73.68W (roughly). Below are 5 
> radar images that I grabbed which show this. 
> 
>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/albums/72157662199366610
> 
> The question is...are these radar echoes even birds or maybe insects?? 
> And, if so, what specie of bird (if they are birds)? I would say probably 
> starlings???  They couldn't be tree swallows since they should be long 
> gone.  Anyway, I have never seen this in the winter before.  Any thoughts 
> on this please share. 
> 
> Merry Christmas to all 
> 
> David Nicosia 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on Radar this morning

2015-12-25 Thread David Nicosia 
Looks like some confirmation that the bird "ring" on radar this morning is
indeed starlings and late icterids. Thanks Nancy.

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Nancy Jane Kern <kerns...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I have been too busy this week to get my bird reports in, but the
> Valatie/Stuyvesant area had a dense murmuration of thousands of black birds
> with many European Starlings, Common Grackles, Brown-headed Cowbirds, and a
> few Red-winged Blackbirds in the past few days. These birds have been
> feeding on cornfields and soybean fields and perching in woods along these
> fields.
>
> There have been some flocks of a few hundred Canada Geese, but I doubt
> these have been significant on radar.
>
> Nancy Kern
> Austerlitz, Columbia Co., NY
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------
> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 10:58:59 -0500
> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on
> Radar this morning
> From: daven102...@gmail.com
> To: bmvando...@gmail.com
> CC: jwk...@fastmail.fm; cayugabird...@cornell.edu; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
>
>
> That's a good point Ben. Plus why right at sunrise for geese??  We see
> this with swallows a lot which roost in marshes and take off in the morning
> to feed. Geese roost in the fields? I thought they fed in the fields.
> Interesting stuff nevertheless.
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Benjamin Van Doren <bmvando...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> Interesting. I could well be wrong, but I wouldn't typically think of
> geese departing farm fields as doing so relatively uniformly on a broad
> circular front. Some groundtruthing might be worthwhile...
>
> Benjamin
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:20 AM David Nicosia <daven102...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> thanks. I didn't think of geese. we often see swallows do this but it
> makes sense.
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 8:25 AM, John Kent <jwk...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> That is geese you're seeing. Large numbers of them roost in farm fields
> there at this time of year, and I have seen the same thing on radar in
> December before. It's probably mostly Canadas, but sometimes there are also
> lots of Snow Geese there.
>
> John Kent
> Selkirk, NY
>
> On Dec 25, 2015, at 8:12 AM, David Nicosia <daven102...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I noticed on the Albany National Weather Service radar between 617 am and
> 654 am Christmas morning a circular pattern on radar like swallow morning
> take off patterns we see in the late summer. This pattern was seen
> originating from Valtie, NY... 42.41N and 73.68W (roughly). Below are 5
> radar images that I grabbed which show this.
>
>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/albums/72157662199366610
>
> The question is...are these radar echoes even birds or maybe insects??
> And, if so, what specie of bird (if they are birds)? I would say probably
> starlings???  They couldn't be tree swallows since they should be long
> gone.  Anyway, I have never seen this in the winter before.  Any thoughts
> on this please share.
>
> Merry Christmas to all
>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on Radar this morning

2015-12-25 Thread Benjamin Van Doren 
Interesting. I could well be wrong, but I wouldn't typically think of geese
departing farm fields as doing so relatively uniformly on a broad circular
front. Some groundtruthing might be worthwhile...

Benjamin
On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:20 AM David Nicosia 
wrote:

> thanks. I didn't think of geese. we often see swallows do this but it
> makes sense.
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 8:25 AM, John Kent  wrote:
>
>> That is geese you're seeing. Large numbers of them roost in farm fields
>> there at this time of year, and I have seen the same thing on radar in
>> December before. It's probably mostly Canadas, but sometimes there are also
>> lots of Snow Geese there.
>>
>> John Kent
>> Selkirk, NY
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2015, at 8:12 AM, David Nicosia  wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I noticed on the Albany National Weather Service radar between 617 am and
>> 654 am Christmas morning a circular pattern on radar like swallow morning
>> take off patterns we see in the late summer. This pattern was seen
>> originating from Valtie, NY... 42.41N and 73.68W (roughly). Below are 5
>> radar images that I grabbed which show this.
>>
>>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/albums/72157662199366610
>>
>> The question is...are these radar echoes even birds or maybe insects??
>> And, if so, what specie of bird (if they are birds)? I would say probably
>> starlings???  They couldn't be tree swallows since they should be long
>> gone.  Anyway, I have never seen this in the winter before.  Any thoughts
>> on this please share.
>>
>> Merry Christmas to all
>>
>> David Nicosia
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