[obc] CBC Tour of France Documentary
OBC member Ian Austen has created a documentary on the Tour of France which will air at approximatly 11am on Sunday. The documentary was produced by another OBC member, Lisa Hebert. There was a short interview/preview with Ian on CBC this morning and it sounded great. Tim Aubin. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Sidewalk Cycling
John Forester (Effective Cycling) believes virtually any grade 3 child can be taught, absorb and perform the following three fundamental concepts: 1. Ride on the right-hand side of the roadway, not on the left and not on the sidewalk. 2. How to yield to crossing traffic when reaching a superior roadway. 3. How to yield to overtaking traffic when moving laterally. Each child has his or her own individual cognitive and physical abilities, so knowledgeable cycling parents could start vehicular cycling instruction to their kids as early as five years of age on quiet residential streets. I did with my two sons - soon after they could balance on a two wheeler. It is not unreasonable for kids to be riding alone on residential streets near home with about a year's worth of supervised practice. Contemporaneously, they should be introduced to Forester's next two concepts: 4. Destination positioning at intersections. (i.e. getting to the proper place in preparation for a turn) 5. Speed positioning between intersections (e.g. passing a slower cyclist) Within a year or so they can be introduced (under supervision) to four lane roads, higher traffic densities and more complex traffic patterns. Forester source: http://www.johnforester.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Avery, I couldn't agree more that young children need to be supervised. For us parents, I was wondering at what developmental stages would you introduce the various aspects of vehicular cycling? As you say, vehicular road cycling starts the day they start to ride. Mom on a Bike Avery Burdett wrote: The children I refer to are ones that need adult supervision no matter where they ride. Children (under supervision of course) should be introduced to vehicular road cycling from the day they start to ride. -Original Message- From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obc] Lowell Green on CFRA There are many competent cyclist out there who may or may not belong to the many great cycling clubs and organizations this whole region has to offer. In saying that I noticed out of between 15 to 20 child cylist I saw riding home on their bikes, only one rode appropriately. The others rode on the sidewalk, did not look, turned left from the right side of the road, rode up the wrong side of the street. There are apporximately 100,000 school age child cyclist in this city. That would mean they outnumber OBC riders 100:1. Mom on a Bike Paul Lindsay wrote: Re: [obc] Lowell Green on CFRAThing is, a lot of cyclists are jerks. How many cyclists out there are actually following the rules of the road and behaving decently? Not many. We're used to riding with our OBC friends and on club rides and loops in the Gats when for the most part most cyclists are either incompetant commuters or bike path and sidewalk noodlers that are two eggs short of a dozen. Just a day or two ago I wrote an e-mail to one of the editors of the car magazine Wheels for tarring all cyclists with scorn and innuendo similar to the reported Lowell Green incident. This guy referred to all riders as suicyclists and was angry that we all bitch and complain about car drivers but don't follow the rules of the road ourselves. Such media people are dangerous. On the other hand, I think Michael's comments sound a bit 'elitist'. I think there are many commuters, bike path riders, and general tourist cyclists, equally competent and law-abiding as those of the OBC. And there are numerous times I have seen club members running lights and stop signs (somtimes wearing their OBC jersey). Paul L. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Avery Burdett Ottawa, Ontario -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office:
RE: [obc] 40 km Time Trial - Sept 9th - 7:45 for 8:00 am at Union Hall
Starters listed below (not necessarily in starting order). Bob Chlebek Ken McGillivray Eric Wright Leona Gray Geoff Wright Larry Leduc Cathy Bakker Shawn Clarke Dave Barnett Janet Capling Mary Ajersch Erica Revez Robert Gustavsson Tim Aubin Greg Crevier Bill Mclennan Les Humphreys Hrman Kerckhoff Michael Caldwell Colin Campbell Richard Hinz Aaron Filion Have I missed anyone ? -Original Message- From: Les Humphreys (K) Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:52 PM To: 'OBC List' Subject: RE: 40 km Time Trial - Sept 9th - 7:45 for 8:00 am at Union Hall Last call for the 40 km - last opportunity to better Paul Datars' 55 minute ride of August 19 to secure your spot in the 2001 BAR. (best 15 + best 40). I can be reached at 952-0325 at work, or at 256-2498 at home. Course is 12 km out from Union Hall to Middleville where, U-turn and retrace to Union Hall where right on Tatlock Rd and 8 km out to hwy 7, where U-turn and back to finish at Union Hall. First rider off at 8:16. To get there : Take 417 west to March Rd (CR49, formerly hwy44), go west 15 k to Almonte. On reaching Almonte go straight on through lights at the shopping plaza, Martin St and hwy 29 (formerly 15) and a further 8km west on Wolf Grove Rd (CR 16). Union Hall is at the intersection of Tatlock Rd (CR9) and Wolf Grove Rd (CR16). Please respond before saturday if you intend to ride I can be reached at 952-0325 at work, or at 256-2498 at home. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] police traffic enforcement campaign
Hello, I have read with great interest the comments following Lowell Green's show the other day. I would like to let OBC members and all cyclists know that Citizens for Safe Cycling is partnering with the Ottawa Police for an enforcement education campaign beginning Monday September 10. This campaign will target both motorists and cyclists who operate their vehicles in an unsafe and illegal manner. Hopefully this initiative will help educate both cyclists and motorists about the rules of the road as they apply to *all* vehicles, including bicycles. Police (some of them on bicycles) will be ticketing motorists and cyclists for offences and moving violations, including * running red lights and stop signs * traveling the wrong way on one way streets * motorist's aggressive behaviour towards cyclists including harrassment and yelling from cars * sidewalk cycling * speeding, particularly when this endangers cyclists and pedestrians * riding without proper lights and reflectors at night CfSC has provided the police with some of the 'hot spots' where frequent offences occur. It is hoped that this will assist the police in enforcing the law against scofflaw motorists and cyclists on an ongoing basis. Thanks for your time, Jen -- Jennifer Allen Coordinator, Cycling Safety Promotion Program Citizens for Safe Cycling 251 Bank Street, Suite 504 (at Cooper) (613)567-1288 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://www.cfsc.ottawa.on.ca/ -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] police traffic enforcement campaign
Jennifer == Jennifer Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] Jennifer Police (some of them on bicycles) will be ticketing Jennifer motorists and cyclists for offences and moving Jennifer violations, including... [snip] I wonder if the police will be issuing a report on how effective the program is. (Setting up shop near Carleton U would be like shooting fish in a barrel). ..greg - __@ Greg Franks | _~@ __O _`\,_ Ottawa, Ontario, Canada|O\ -^\;^\, (*)/ (*) (*)--(*)%---/(*) Where do you want to go today? Outside. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] 40 km Time Trial - Sept 9th - 7:45 for 8:00 am at Union Hall
Correction Starters listed below (not necessarily in starting order). Cathy Bakker Ken McGillivray Bob Chlebek Geoff Wright Leona Gray Larry Leduc Eric Wright Shawn Clarke Dave Barnett Andrea McKay Janet Capling Mary Ajersch Robert Gustavsson Alison McKay Erica Revez Tim Aubin Bill Mclennan Les Humphreys Herman Kerckhoff Greg Crevier Michael Caldwell Colin Campbell Richard Hinz Aaron Filion Have I missed anyone ? -Original Message- From: Les Humphreys (K) Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:52 PM To: 'OBC List' Subject:RE: 40 km Time Trial - Sept 9th - 7:45 for 8:00 am at Union Hall Last call for the 40 km - last opportunity to better Paul Datars' 55 minute ride of August 19 to secure your spot in the 2001 BAR. (best 15 + best 40). I can be reached at 952-0325 at work, or at 256-2498 at home. Course is 12 km out from Union Hall to Middleville where, U-turn and retrace to Union Hall where right on Tatlock Rd and 8 km out to hwy 7, where U-turn and back to finish at Union Hall. First rider off at 8:16. To get there : Take 417 west to March Rd (CR49, formerly hwy44), go west 15 k to Almonte. On reaching Almonte go straight on through lights at the shopping plaza, Martin St and hwy 29 (formerly 15) and a further 8km west on Wolf Grove Rd (CR 16). Union Hall is at the intersection of Tatlock Rd (CR9) and Wolf Grove Rd (CR16). Please respond before saturday if you intend to ride I can be reached at 952-0325 at work, or at 256-2498 at home. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] results, handicapping?
Hi all: Well, I finally got my laptop hooked back up to my home network after arriving home - so the tt results from Aug 9 (found in my huge stash of snail mail), Aug 30 and Sep 6 are now posted and accessible from the obcweb. I actually put a few different displays of yesterdays results up there. Please comment and discuss. It's our club! Some Backgound on the handicapping disussions (or not...): Last year when the age-handicapping event was introduced, I immediately expressed my view to Avery that the method of handicapping would tend to move women downwards in the overall open rankings since it handicapped the men and women towards different means (Men at their prime are faster than women (of the same training/fitness level) at their prime)). Discussion was not possible. I expressed the view again this year to a few more of the powers that be and the reactions ranged from unpleasant to disinterest. I was basically told to not show the men's and women's rankings on the same page. (I had neither the time to break down the resistance nor the time (or desire) to comply with the programming request). The best female time of 21:06 by Meshy Holt (a professional rider from New Zealand), is 2:23 slower than Ray Duggan's 18:43 (which is said to not even be the fastest men's time!). A simple solution would be to remove 143 seconds from all of the women's times. This doesn't in any way upset the rankings within the genders - it just draws the women into the event as full participants with the same opportunity as men to hit any position (from top to bottom) in the overall rankings. After all it is a handicap event in the OPEN time trial series. To see the results of this method, go to http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Racing/TimeTrials/Results/tt/2001/sep06agh.html . I don't think that the current age-handicapping scheme was intended to disadvantage women or to keep women in their place - but it does, and hence I have provided a constructive suggestion. Do others have any views on this? It's our club! Please discuss. In my view it's all a matter of healthy fun with motivation and competition for all. (Actually I am really partial towards completely personal handicapping methods - and that should be up for discussion too!). Celia -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] results, handicapping?
While the notion of age handicapping may be appropriate to level the
playing field for older competitors, it will always favour riders who have
always been fast, no matter what their age.
An alternative approach would be to compute a handicap based on a
rider's ability compared with a known standard ('scratch time'), such as the
current club champion, and allocate a handicap based on the difference
between a riders average time and the scratch time.
Under the latter approach, the person with the best improvement
would be the winner of the handicap competition. This method discriminates
against nobody except possibly those who do not have enough performances on
record to yield a reliable average. (Such individuals would be accorded zero
handicap).
'Average' may not necessarily be the best measure - median could
also be used, or some combination.
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Subject: [obc] results, handicapping?
Hi all:
Well, I finally got my laptop hooked back up to my home network after
arriving home - so the tt results from Aug 9 (found in my huge stash of
snail mail), Aug 30 and Sep 6 are now posted and accessible from the
obcweb. I actually put a few different displays of yesterdays results up
there. Please comment and discuss. It's our club!
Some Backgound on the handicapping disussions (or not...):
Last year when the age-handicapping event was introduced, I immediately
expressed my view to Avery that the method of handicapping would tend to
move women downwards in the overall open rankings since it handicapped
the men and women towards different means (Men at their prime are faster
than women (of the same training/fitness level) at their prime)).
Discussion was not possible. I expressed the view again this year to a
few more of the powers that be and the reactions ranged from unpleasant
to disinterest. I was basically told to not show the men's and women's
rankings on the same page. (I had neither the time to break down the
resistance nor the time (or desire) to comply with the programming
request).
The best female time of 21:06 by Meshy Holt (a professional rider from
New Zealand), is 2:23 slower than Ray Duggan's 18:43 (which is said to
not even be the fastest men's time!). A simple solution would be to
remove 143 seconds from all of the women's times. This doesn't in any
way upset the rankings within the genders - it just draws the women into
the event as full participants with the same opportunity as men to hit
any position (from top to bottom) in the overall rankings. After all it
is a handicap event in the OPEN time trial series. To see the results of
this method, go to
http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Racing/TimeTrials/Results/tt/2001/sep06agh.h
tml
.
I don't think that the current age-handicapping scheme was intended to
disadvantage women or to keep women in their place - but it does, and
hence I have provided a constructive suggestion.
Do others have any views on this? It's our club! Please discuss. In my
view it's all a matter of healthy fun with motivation and competition
for all. (Actually I am really partial towards completely personal
handicapping methods - and that should be up for discussion too!).
Celia
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Re: [obc] police traffic enforcement campaign
Dear Greg One problem is that inside Carleton is private property, and all the signs lites have no legal standing. Tom On Friday, September 07, 2001 at 14:22, Greg Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on [obc] police traffic enforcement campaign, saying.. Jennifer == Jennifer Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] Jennifer Police (some of them on bicycles) will be ticketing Jennifer motorists and cyclists for offences and moving Jennifer violations, including... [snip] I wonder if the police will be issuing a report on how effective the program is. (Setting up shop near Carleton U would be like shooting fish in a barrel). ..greg Questions answered, answers questioned. No spam, please Tom A. Trottier [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:57647974 +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 415-400 Slater St. Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 *After 2001 Oct 20:758 Albert St, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8* -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] results, handicapping?
Like a golf handicap.
But then we're handicapping for performance rather than non-personal
factors. What should we equalise to find the best?
Age/gender handicapping is fairly easy recognises achievement more
than improvement.
Performance handicapping takes more record keeping, and young
improving cyclists will likely always win! Doing this on a seasonal
basis would be better than averaging in the last 5 years of times.
Might be a nice way to have each rider keep a passport for their
times, getting a handicap assigned after the first 3 trials,
recalculated each time, to see if they're improving.
Tom
On Friday, September 07, 2001 at 16:56, Les Humphreys (K) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote on RE: [obc] results, handicapping?, saying..
While the notion of age handicapping may be appropriate to level the
playing field for older competitors, it will always favour riders who
have always been fast, no matter what their age.
An alternative approach would be to compute a handicap based on a
rider's ability compared with a known standard ('scratch time'), such
as the current club champion, and allocate a handicap based on the
difference between a riders average time and the scratch time.
Under the latter approach, the person with the best improvement
would be the winner of the handicap competition. This method
discriminates against nobody except possibly those who do not have
enough performances on record to yield a reliable average. (Such
individuals would be accorded zero handicap).
...
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[obc] advice on new rear wheel
dbarlas == dbarlas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] dbarlas on which I had the rear wheel rebuilt late last year with dbarlas 14g DT spokes. I have since put about 4000kms on the bike dbarlas and it has now started breaking spokes again. I dont dbarlas think I am particularly rough on the bike - I weigh anout dbarlas 190 lbs and only ride on the road. I got the bike in the dbarlas summer of 2000. [snip] dbarlas spokes. Does that sound reasonable? If anyone has any dbarlas other recommendations for wheels, or general wheel dbarlas advice, I would love to hear them. You didn't say where the spokes were breaking. Believe it or not, thinner spokes (higher gauge) often result in stronger wheels. Make sure your existing wheel is rebuilt with double-butted spokes*, or that the new wheel comes with double butted spokes. I weigh more than you do, and the only spoke breakage that I've encountered was during a certain tandem ride years ago :-) (though the poor wheel was rather pretzeled prior to the breakage problems, so we sure knew why the wheel was failing :-). Try to find/buy a copy of The Bicycle Wheel by Jobst Brandt. It explains everything that you might every care to know about bicycle wheels and then some. You might try rebuilding your wheel yourself. ..greg * a technically incorrect term -- spokes aren't butted, they're swaged (sp?). -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
