RE: [obc] New rules for OBC mailing list
Looking at the replies to this touchy issue, I note that many non-club members read this list from far away and near and find the information valuable. Some of them seem to think that the irritation that is generated and aired here is from the board members or indeed simple club members, yet it's often (but not always) non-club or anonymous members of this list who are doing much of the mud slinging. In short, the list seems to represent the club, yet non club members of the list have aired opinions and suggestions which have led to tedious arguments. While I'm happy to stem the acrimony that erupts here from time to time, I propose that, instead of shutting out all but club members, a person or committee be empowered to warn, then ban users who don't follow the spirit of the list. If that's not practical or possible then I agree that the only way to control the airing of what amounts to personality conflicts is to have a members-only list where posters are subject to club sanctions. Bob Simpson - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Urgent - CX - A big problem
-Original Message- From: Ian Austen [mailto:iausten;sympatico.ca] Sent: 2002,October,18,Friday 3:28 PM To: Simpson, Bob Subject: A big problem Importance: High Hi Bob, I went to check out the Brockville location this morning only to find that both MapQuest and the Brockville Club gave me incorrect directions. Would you mind posting this to the Newsgroup list? Thanks Ian The real directions from Ottawa: SOUTH on Hwy 416 to 401 WEST EXIT 698 North Augusta Road (First Brockville Exit) Follow exit to PARKDALE AVE West TURN RIGHT on CALIFORNIA TURN LEFT on LAURIER Parking Lot is opposite fire station - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Cyclo-cross Madison (2 man) race results Britannia Park, 2 Oct
2 Oct 2002 Britannia Park Madison CX OA Name/Team Cat.Points 8 Laps 1 FrancoisBeaupre SM 9 Fil Bohac SM 9 2 Jason Cheney SM 8 JohnFee SM 8 3 AlanReain SM 7 Duane Smith SM 7 4 MikeLeach VA 6 Steve Proulx VA 6 5 Colin CampbellVB 5 Vince Caseres SM 5 6 JeffBakal SM 4.5 David BilenkeyVA 4.5 7 Michael Bennett VA 4 MarcLevesqueVA 4 8 Shawn Clarke CAD 3.5 Chris GraingerVA 3.5 9 PaulCheney VC 3 Jon Walker SM 3 10 GregBrown VC 2.5 DrewMcCutcheon SM 2.5 11 Adrian ChristieCAD 2 GregChristieVB 2 12 MarcChiarelli VA 1.5 Les Humphreys VC 1.5 13 Jen Adams W 1 Robert Parniak SM 1 14 Steve Kiernan VC 1 Dominique LarocqueW 1 15 MarkSamborsky VA 1 Peter TregunnoSM 1 16 Rob KerrVA 1 Pat Konantz W 1 7 Laps 17 Alexey Ivanov SM 1 Vytas Janusauskas VB 1 18 Marcie GirouardW 1 Ian Stewart VB 1 6 Laps 19 Ron PhillipsVC 1 Tyson Stewart MIN 1 5 Laps 20 Jason HallCAD 1 RitaHallW 1 Bob Simpson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Britannia Park CX results
29 Sept 2002 Britannia Park CX Overall results OA place/Name/Category 9 Laps 1 Aaron Fillion SM 2 Kris Westwood SM 3 Dave Tomsic SM 4 Kurt Menke VA 5 Philip Coldrey Lo VA 6 Rob Kerr VA 7 Colin Campbell VB 8 Glenn Rendall SM 9 Greg Christie VB 10 Mike Leach VA 11 Reese Rendall VA 12 Charlie Gorman ? 13 Ian StewartVB 14 Robert Parniak ? 15 Alexey Ivanov JR 16 David Bilenkey VA 17 John Fee ? 18 Greg Hill ? 19 Michael Bennett ? 20 Paul O'Blenes ? 8 Laps 21 Steve Kiernan VB 22 Drew McCutcheon ? 23 Paul Cheney VC 24 Peter Holzhuter ? 25 Marc Levesque VA 26 Jamie Johnson ? 27 Steve Proulx VA 28 Richard Hinz VB 29 Bill McLennan VB 30 John Lewis VA 31 JenAdams W 32 Amanda Shaw W 33 Ian Austen VB 34 Shawn Clarke CAD 35 Dominique Larocque W 7 Laps 36 Allan LoweVB 37 RonPhillipsVC 38 PatKonantz W 39 Graham Clarke VB 40 Vytas Janusauskas VB 41 Allan Hawley VA 6 Laps 42 David Hall ? DNF Vince Caseres SM Jason Cheney SM Imad El Ghazal SM Jason Hall ? Peter Tregunno ? Christian Wallner ? By Category Place/Name/Category 1 Aaron Fillion SM 2 Kris Westwood SM 3 Dave Tomsic SM 4 Glenn Rendall SM DNF Vince Caseres SM DNF Jason Cheney SM DNF Imad El Ghazal SM 1 Jen Adams W 2 Amanda ShawW 3 Dominique Larocque W 4 Pat Konantz W 1 Kurt Menke VA 2 Philip Coldrey Lo VA 3 Rob Kerr VA 4 Mike Leach VA 5 Reese Rendall VA 6 David Bilenkey VA 7 Marc Levesque VA 8 Steve Proulx VA 9 John Lewis VA 10 Allan Hawley VA 1 Colin Campbell VB 2 Greg Christie VB 3 Ian Stewart VB 4 Steve Kiernan VB 5 Richard Hinz VB 6 Bill McLennan VB 7 Ian Austen VB 8 Allan Lowe VB 9 Graham Clarke VB 10 Vytas Janusauskas VB 1 Paul Cheney VC 2 Ron Phillips VC 1 Alexey Ivanov JR 1 Shawn Clarke CAD 12 Charlie Gorman ? 14 Robert Parniak ? 17 John Fee ? 18 Greg Hill ? 19 Michael Bennett ? 20 Paul O'Blenes ? 22 Drew McCutcheon ? 24 Peter Holzhuter ? 26 Jamie Johnson ? 42 David Hall ? DNF Jason Hall ? DNF Peter Tregunno ? DNF Christian Wallner ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Cycling Accident
Sunset was at around 7:12 PM on Tuesday (7:08 today, Thursday) and the criterium must run until 7 or 7:30 PM. Regarding these recent accidents, whether a rider is wrong or right doesn't matter much to you when you die or are seriously injured. I assume that on a bike I am invisible, yet totally vulnerable at all times. I never pass a moving vehicle on the right or stop beside a long vehicle at a corner because I assume that they will turn right whether they signal or not. When people cut me off or don't see me, I know that it's hard for motorists to see us and I'll mention in as friendly a manner as possible that they should watch for cyclists, because getting hostile is counter-productive. I hope that all of us cyclists will ride with care while rightfully staking their claim to use of the roads. Bob Simpson -Original Message- From: David Bilenkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 5:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obc] Cycling Accident I've got to ask: If the accident was after the crit, what time was it? One of the reasons I've driven to the crits is because I just don't want to chance getting hit in the dusk/dark while riding home. Lights or not many drivers find us invisible as the darkness settles. Did Phil have lights on? Hopes and prayers for a full recover. David Bilenkey - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Wheel balancing?
First thing to do is spin the wheel freely and see if it varies from perfectly round and straight by more than 2 mm. If so, it needs to be trued. The best thing to do would be to go to your local favourite bike shop for that. Bike wheels are so light that balancing isn't necessary. There are other things that can create a vibration - especially on an indoor trainer. If the tires are lower quality, under-inflated or worn, or if the chain and sprockets are worn you might feel vibration, but the wheel trueness is the most likely culprit. If the vibration is very high frequency (higher than the turning frequency of the wheel which is about 2 to 3 times per second at 20 KPH) then the culprit may be the trainer which has the roller that turns about 50 to 70 times faster. Bob Simpson -Original Message- From: skiza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 2002,July,31,Wednesday 9:38 AM To: OBC Subject: [obc] Wheel balancing? For some time now, I have been biking using a road bike (Specialized Epic) both outdoors and indoors. When indoors, I clamp my bike to a mag-trainer and just pedal for 30-40 minutes ... it's quite a workout. When I bike on the mag-trainer there is a very mild numbing vibration. I thought initially that it was because I had removed the reflectors on the wheels ... so I put them back on locating them opposite the valve, but the vibration is still there. Can anyone suggest a possible solution? . Is there such thing as wheel balancing for bicycles? Thanks ... John - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] FW: Youth bike racing
Lynda Kadey-Smith brought this website to my attention, aimed at encouraging youth bike racing. I was wondering if there is much interest in this kind of thing? Events could include time trials, obstacle races, slow races, coasting contests, etc. I know that we've had some kids as young as 12 years old attend the Learn to Race clinics and it could be a lot of fun. This is the kind of thing that a local track would be perfect for. Bob Simpson -Original Message- From: Kadey-Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 2002,July,08,Monday 9:16 AM To: Simpson, Bob Subject: Youth bike racing I came upon a website that encourages youth to get involved with bike racing. I think I remember reading something about encouraging youth in cycling somewhere in the Spokesperson as part of OBC's mandate. I thought this might be of interest. They seem quite successful. If you are interested or know someone who is this is the website: http://www.mcf.net/ycl/ Lynda - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] For sale - bike baby trailer
At a recent garage sale in my neighbourhood, I noticed that a bike trailer for carrying children was for sale. It's an Axiom foldable and he's asking $40. Contact me if you are interested. Seems to me that these are in high demand. Bob Simpson - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Back in Ottawa, need fast group rides
Brian, I think that I know what you're looking for in a group ride and the only organized OBC club ride that is fast (race-like) is the Sportif and Extra Sportif rides, Sunday morning. The Extra Sportif ride is just a half a notch slower than the Reliability ride. The racers don't very often gather for big group rides for some reason, other than the Tuesday night A criterium (44 KPH average on a tight 4 corner circuit) and the alternate Tuesday Gatineau Park ride. If you ask at Peccos, Full Tilt and Sportable, you might find some other fast groups going out. Thee is a group of OBC Vets that go to Montreal area races. The Quebec Vets are excellent racers. The races are fast and animated. Bob Simpson - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Cards on the table.
By all means, don't go away, if that's literally what you mean. While I don't like to think of the issues that you brought up as us against them, to get so frustrated that you throw your arms up is hopefully not an alternative to discussion. Regarding the issues that you brought up On harassing comments. All of us as cyclists have had our share of harassment in terms of motorists bullying the smaller, more vulnerable cyclist, so I think that most of us can imagine the issues that women face regarding unwanted comments. My personal feeling on this is that a bully tries to find weak, uncomplaining victims to pick on and will say or do anything to annoy them. Mostly, their aim is to upset and if one reacts just the way that they hope, that encourages them. Any time that I get harassed, I, like you, wave in a friendly manner, as if this has been a friend saying hello. To those who are malicious, it ruins their fun and to those who are annoyed with me, they realize that I'm not trying to be nasty by blocking their way or what ever it is that annoys them. Malicious intent to harass is punishable, thankfully, and should be reported to police by noting their license plate number, but of course someone saying wow, baby knows that they won't get charged for such a comment. Bullies know just how far they can push until they get stood up to. Even if police visit that person's house to discuss the incident, they'll be discouraged from doing it again On Avery's skinny broad comment, I take that with a grain of salt, as if a friend were describing me as a fat-assed, washed up old-timer. Seeing it written rather than said, you just don't know how it was intended and I'd not want to judge it. Wasn't that aimed at someone who used fat broad as her nickname? On eating disorders, while this is a real problem, our recreational club isn't the forum for that issue. While I'm interested to hear points of view on that particular topic here, I don't think that you can expect the board of directors to address it, unless it's demonstrated to be a real problem. In many years of coaching, I can't recall any female cyclists who obviously showed that type of behaviour, but that doesn't mean that it's not a hidden problem with some individuals. But because of these issues being brought up, I'm very careful to watch for eating disorders. Bicycle racing is unusual in that strength and speed are very important. Our weight is supported on our saddles and not our feet, like in running, so weight is less of an issue, unless you are climbing very big mountains. It's not unreasonable to aim to get lighter for any competitor though, as long as it doesn't develop into a disorder. I'm sure you've heard all these arguments before and I understand that frustration can get the better of anyone. We must all be careful that we don't succumb to any obsessive behaviour including feelings that everyone against you, as I confess I do occasionally when I'm being pushed off the road by motorists several times in a day, while riding. - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Learn to Race 2002
The first Learn to Race clinic of 2002 will be held May 11, Saturday. This is a 5 hour clinic costing $25 and starts at 10 AM. For details and to contact me so I know how many are coming, e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone at 225 8649. This is a course designed to help anyone who wants to be more comfortable riding in any level of group. We cover all the basics of safe riding with just a bit of race skills thrown in to make it interesting. Those who want to go on to race will find this required knowledge. We've had people of all ability levels and ages (15 to 60). We try to separate the wannabe racers from the touring riders. I will try to get to the early season NRC criteriums for anyone wanting help to start racing those. Contact me so we can meet before the criteriums, which are on Tuesdays starting late April. Bob Simpson -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^ application/ms-tnef
RE: Re: [obc] Why looking for new TT course, really?
The story goes that Moscow had a velodrome that had ventilation ducts which, as is usual, could blow air in two directions to be evenly distributed. During record attempts, one side of the ducts was covered somehow so that the air was blown around counterclockwise, the same way as the track is ridden, so that the riders would have a favourable wind. (Air speed isn't measured when there's an oval.) It's the same effect when you have a steady stream of truck, vans, buses or friends in cars passing you along the parkway. You don't have to draft right up behind them to get a benefit. Bob Simpson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 11:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [obc] Why looking for new TT course, really? Yes, drafting is illegal but there are those who will do it whether or not it is illegal -- the real question is it wise to do so? The question I used to ask my husband rather than harangue him about drafting off of trucks was, is the life insurance paid up and is it in my name? He doesn't do it anymore. Cyclemom From: Peter James [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2002/03/23 Sat PM 10:52:00 EST CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obc] Why looking for new TT course, really? Henry Troup wrote: Peter James wrote: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:43:07 -0500 From: Peter James [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obc] Why looking for new TT course, really? ... Having said that, the fastest TT courses in the UK are on very busy roads - a steady stream of gravel trucks for an hour in the evening might improve our PB's! Really, Peter, it's only cool to draft Cinzano trucks :-) -- Well each to his own - I just don't see too many Cinzano trucks at the jobsites I visit... Of course I didn't say anything about drafting - that would be illegal the UK experience as I understand it is that on a busy road the air in the immediate vicinity of the traffic is actually moving with the traffic, so it's a kind of virtual drafting. -- Peter James Ottawa, Ontario -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - Get your free WebMail account from Sympatico-Lycos at www.sympatico.ca - -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Racing Question
Title: RE: [obc] Racing Question That's an interesting question that I don't have hard statistics for, but I'd have to guess that France and Italy have the highest numbers, with the US close behind, although in terms of percent of the population, Belgium and Holland would have to be far ahead of anyone. Does anyone know if I've left out any country? You might do some research on the web to find numbers of the racers in various racing associations. The UCI site http://www.uci.ch/english/index.htm has the names of other countries' federations at http://www.uci.ch/english/about/nat_feds/index.htm but oddly not the links, but a search will probably find their websites. Bob Simpson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 10:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] Racing Question Does any one know which countries have the deepest racing programs in terms of participants? Cyclemom - Get your free WebMail account from Sympatico-Lycos at www.sympatico.ca - -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] WTB: 17T fixed cog
Title: RE: [obc] WTB: 17T fixed cog Would that be for a track or road chain? Can't you get one at a local shop? Bob Simpson -Original Message- From: David Bilenkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 12:22 PM To: OBC Mailing List Subject: [obc] WTB: 17T fixed cog Wanted to buy: a 17 tooth fixed gear cog, used or new. Let me know if you have anything. Thanks. David Bilenkey Bilenkey Industrial Design Ottawa, Ontario, Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] rare bird siting - pushing spring
Title: RE: [obc] rare bird siting - pushing spring There must be some idiot around responsible for these sightings. A few weeks ago I was riding home west on Heron at Bank and I saw a guy in -5 degree weather with shorts on. I think this must be a mental health case and I feel sorry for his or her knees knowing the abuse this person's inflicting on them. Circulation is sometimes good enough to the leg muscles to keep warm for a little while in cold weather, but the circulation around the knee is very poor. Bob Simpson -Original Message- From: Renaud Préfontaine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] rare bird siting - pushing spring After reading comments on observations of persons in summer attire at this time of the year, I may have spotted the prize winner this morning. At 08:30 this morning I spotted a rider on a mountain bike heading West on Albert Street near Lebreton Flats - bare headed, bare hands, short sleeve white cotton T-shirt, cotton shorts, wool socks and hiking boots. Checked the thermometer when I arrived home a few minutes latter and it was reading -14 C. Can anyone beat that? Renaud Préfontaine -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Home/Tenants Insurance with no limits on Bicycles?
Paul, that sounds like my policy too. I guess that by market in stolen bicycles they also mean that people wanting to get a new free $5k bike will arrange for their bikes to be in an area that gets burned along with a shed or garage. They might not want to mention that scenario for fear of seeming accusatory. Bob Simpson -Original Message- From: Paul Smeulders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 2002,January,09,Wednesday 9:33 PM To: OBC Topica Subject: Re: [obc] Home/Tenants Insurance with no limits on Bicycles? I'm interested to hear (read) the answers on the forum, so please post them. My understanding is it is getting more and more rare. Dumb story: I asked about why the new riders for bikes. The response was there is quite a black market in stolen bikes. My reply was So say my place burns down, and the bikes are ruined, would they be covered for replacement value, even if I don't have the special bicycle riders? One company said no, same $1000 limit why is that, they weren't stolen, they were burned. It's because there is quite a market in stolen bikes puzzled pause was inserted intentionally, by me, into the conversation, followed by: And so, I guess, also in burned bikes too? They lost my business to the company who said the don't cover for stolen (unless alll perilsrider is purchased), but would cover for fire. However, despite my requests, nobody has written it down. Anyway, let's hear about them good policies. Paul - Original Message - From: Aaron Fillion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OBC Topica [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 19:24 Subject: [obc] Home/Tenants Insurance with no limits on Bicycles? Can anyone tell me which insurance companies in Ottawa that provide Home/Tenants Insurance, have a plan that does not have an exclusion on bicycles? My current Tenants Insurance plan has an exclusion that states they only cover up to $1000 of bicycles and related parts and to cover any more I have to get riders. Because of the cost of the riders, I feel my current policy is too expensive, and I want to switch to a different company. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] OBC infiltrates CfSC
Wait a minute Celia, I thought I, Bob Simpson, was me. In fact I'm sure of it. Have you infiltrated me? Bob Simpson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: OBC List Sent: 11/1/01 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [obc] OBC Infiltrates CfSC Paul Smeulders wrote: ... I'm looking around for my sense of humour. I used to be a CFSC board member (treasurer) in the early days. As time progressed and things became decidedly militant (I think that the newsletter which had an OC transpo bus disguised as a tank with a machine gun taking fire at a cyclist was the point of no return for me!), I left this group and have not yet considered returning.. Paul - I am me and I do not want to be a member of this group. You are not me and therefore you MUST want to be a member of this group - but ONLY if you follow this logic! :-) Cheer up. Celia (who still has a soft spot for bike lanes and orange vests and helmets) -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Annual General Meeting
Don, as an interested observer of club activities I'd like to know why you have difficulty with another current member of the board coming out in public support of one of them. Please don't take this as criticism. Just a friendly question. As a democratic group, shouldn't any club member be able to discuss the club's direction and controversies at any time or place. In fact, this forum is the perfect place for discussions and as far as I know, access isn't controlled by anyone. In my mind, the only thing that's inappropriate is open hostility or personal attacks, which some debates have been known to degenerate into. Why should a board member be any less able to express his or her opinions here? As you said, they comment at their own peril. I agree that we should not become a politically polarized organization and that's always been a concern, whether it was dealings with the OCA, CCA, police, public perceptions of cyclists or local politicians. In the end, I just want to enjoy riding my bike with friends. Bob Simpson -Original Message- From: Carol and Don Friedlander To: OBC Sent: 10/18/01 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [obc] Annual General Meeting At the risk of starting a war, I have a problem with this message that I'd like to get off my chest. First off, I admit to having no knowledge of any political situation which may be unfolding here. I don't know what group is supposedly unhappy with the activities of the club, nor how/whether they plan to take over the OBC to suit their group's purpose. But I do have some knowledge of governance and volunteer associations. In the circumstance of two current members of the board running for the position of president, I have difficulty with another current member of the board coming out in public support of one of them, with veiled references to some other group hijacking the club. I don't personally know either Kevin Nelson, or Avery Burdett. I do admire their commitment as volunteers and sincerely appreciate their efforts, as I appreciate the efforts of the other OBC directors and committee members, on behalf of OBC members and cycling in Ottawa. But I also understand and respect that there may be other members who may see a different direction for the club. The last time I looked we still lived in a democracy. We ignore, or worse yet, slander, their opinions at our peril. I believe that comments of this nature by a current board member are a recipe for acrimony, future ill will, and promoting and polarizing political divisions. I wish to belong to a bicycle club, not a political party. If Kevin Nelson's purpose was to get more members out to the AGM, then in my case he's succeeded. I'm not sure he'll appreciate the result. Don Friedlander -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Gats question
What units are the 'distances in. Fortune Lake is about 2.25 km long (7.34 - 5.19). Is that 5.19 km from some starting point? Obviously that first 8.36% isn't for the first 5.19 km. Is it an instantaneous measurement of the grade at that point? Percent grade to 5 decimals. Impressive accuracy. I would guess that rolling over a pebble would cause a change of more than 0.1%! LOL Bob Simpson Greg wrote: From the data from Chris Georgas (who measured elevations using an Avocet 50...) and converted using rise/run -- Note that the distance measurement is the hypoteneuse, not the run. The steepest point is the little incline just before Meech lake road. Fortune lake... dist grade. 5.19 8.36242 5.31 5.72364 5.87 4.7111 6.21 1.73939 6.44 4.44884 6.89 6.2343 7.34 3.48037 King Mountain (Black lake) Negative, because you're going downhill. 12.99 -4.63081 14.46 -5.89256 And for laughs, Pink lake hill 4.75 0.588245 5.31 2.14335 5.54 6.97342 6.10 5.72364 6.22 3.33519 If one were really keen, one would replot everything using a GPS receiver. ..greg -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] XX-Rated and IEEE?
I fear that lawyers and good debaters or negotiators will have an advantage here, so they must be negatively handicapped to start with. Those who are meek and non-confrontational should receive a several second handicap. I would like to put forth conclusively that I am of the meek variety and if you don't agree with that I will sue for those seconds and minutes. Simpson - Celia wrote: Also, when rolling through the countryside this afternoon, and thinking about Simpson's concerns about sore toes, busy work weeks and individualized handicapping, I thought of this (I guess I should have been riding faster): Idiosyncratic Exceed Expectations Event (IEEE) Riders receive an individual handicap based on past performances, but afterwards (before knowing others' results) can appeal to a knowledgeable panel of judges (say, those who show up at Mugs after the event!) for an added compassionate handicap. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] results, handicapping?
Well, Celia, you're opening a can of worms here and the power to determine winners will lie in the hands of the handicap determiner. But then that's always been the case. Some might argue that the time given for each year of age is too generous. I can see the gears of a mathematician turning in your head and I think that what you propose will be very difficult, but not impossible, to implement. You can make the handicaps any form that you like of course, but whether it will be fair is up to debate. In the example you gave of the local Pro female and the local top man, a baseline can be determined perhaps by subtracting a percentage of the women's times, not subtracting the raw number. That would be 112.5% or if you take the world record for the hour, the woman comes in at 117.1% of the man. But if we take it to a ridiculous extreme, what if we tried to adjust for all factors. If I show up with a sore toe that day, should I be given a further 2 second bonus or what if the TT is in the morning when I personally don't ride my best. Give me another 20 seconds there, perhaps. What about factoring in how many hours I have to work per week and how physically demanding that work is? An unfortunate result of this is that when a rider wins in the corrected results, there might be some consternation that the handicapper gave them too much of an edge. Handicaps are rarely won by the fastest rider, if they're set up properly, and that is probably the reason for this kind of event - an attempt to reward the effort rather than the talent or natural ability. I would support a more comprehensive handicap, but the complications of making it perfectly fair is what keeps it from happening, I think. Bob Simpson -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Studded winter tires?
You might try a three wheel recumbent. -Original Message- From: Rod Plunkett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:27 PM To: OBC List Subject: Re: [obc] Studded winter tires? Anyone tried a recumbent bike in Winter? I saw a fellow riding one (on the sidewalkg) today. Is your centre of gravity lower on a recumbent, and therefore providing more stability? I've never tried one, but my general impression is they would not be as good as a regular bike because it is harder to shift your weight to help keep your balance. Are the smaller tires an advantage? I have a Norco Kokanee mountain bike that I think I might try this winter. -Rod P James D. Wilson wrote: snip -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter
RE: [obc] Crank Lengths
There is more to consider than leg length when selecting a crank size. Foot length is also a factor in how much a knee has to bend when pedaling. A very long leg usually has a long foot and a short leg a short foot. Assuming the ankle will flex the same on both, at the top and bottom of the stroke, a long leg will go lower and higher by quite a bit, depending on the relative foot size. I think that might explain the reason that cranks aren't quite proportional to just the length of the leg. Another related factor is the pedal technique or ankle flexing of each individual for the same reasons. I ankle quite a bit and ride with 170 mm cranks. I tried 175s and found that it just felt awkward. There is really no mechanical advantage since the better leverage is countered by the need to move the foot further at a slower cadence and higher gear. Too bad it's not that easy to just try out a different crank length for a week or so to see how it feels. If you feel that your pedal stroke is cramped, go longer. If you feel that you are making too big a circle go shorter. Bob Simpson -Original Message- From: Annette Bradfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] Crank Lengths Paul always bought the 'length-don't-matter' argument wrote: are you going on the assumption because I AM smaller, everything SHOULD be smaller, including the cranks? I really don't know much about the technical aspect. I just find it more comfortable to spin faster when I don't have to pedal in such a large circumference. I will refrain from commenting on the 'length-don't-matter' aspect... Annette On Jun 27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nettally.com/palmk/crankset.html http://www.velonews.com/tech/rev/crank.html Just to add some feul to a fire I'd missed earlier. ;-) -- David Bilenkey Bilenkey Industrial Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Learn to Race Skills Clinic
I'm having another LTR on July 8, Sunday. If anyone is interested, contact me for details. General info is that it costs $20 and is 5 hours long. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 225 8649 -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Nostalgia
I was cleaning out my file cabinet yesterday and found my notes from when I officiated at an attempt on the National 15 km TT record by an 18 year old Gord Fraser. It was on Manotick Station Road, where we once held the 15 km TTs, on 1987 Sept 17. His 20:57 missed the record by a little bit - it had just been broken by someone in western Canada. Times have come down a long way since. He's done about a 18:30 here since then. Of course, remember that at that time there was no aerobars, but he used two disk wheels and an aero helmet. Bob Simpson -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Seenite's crits
The race starts as soon as the security people close the gates to through traffic. That can be between 6:15 and 6:30. The race usually goes for about one hour so it's over by 7:30. The beauty of these races is that once you have signed up (show up at 6 PM for that) you can arrive late, let them know that you're there and just jump in. You can also retire from the race for a few laps, catch your breath and then (carefully) rejoin. Although if you do those things, they ask that you not try to sprint at the end, out of respect for those who have done the whole distance. Bob Simpson -Original Message- From: Gilles Lamenoise [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] Seenite's crits I understand that tonight is a B race. I visited the site but failed to find out at what time the race is taking place. Could anyone please let me know? Also a rough idea at what time it should be over? Thanks, Gilles Lamenoise http://www.develcor.com Support the shareware concept - Register http://www.develcor.com/main/register.htm -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Heavy bikes!
Did that weight include a bazooka and ammunition by any chance?? Bob Simpson -Original Message- From: Paul Lindsay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] Heavy bikes! Did anyone see the article in today's Citizen concerning the Swiss army bike brigade? It's being disbanded after110 years of service. They say the bikes are legendary - like the Swiss army knife, but what is truly amazing is the weight at 21.6 kilograms (47.6 lbs.). No titanium frames for these guys! How would you like to climb the Alps on one of those things, with the addition of panniers loaded for a nice long tour? ... Paul L. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.aVHtMM Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01 ==^
[obc] Serenity, Now
I feel that it is unfortunate that there are people in our club and outside it who are finding it necessary to resort to rudeness and confrontation. We are a community with varying but similar goals - to enjoy cycling and do it safely. When a motorist or fellow cyclist gets upset, there is nothing gained by getting angry back. Let's try to educate and learn, not retaliate and alienate. There will always be differences of opinion, but what I have seen is an unwillingness to cooperate and, frankly, I fear that the community could come apart. Now, neither I nor anyone else should take any abuse, but let's not try to fight abuse with more abuse. Behave as if the whole world is watching. They probably are, as a matter of fact. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.aVHtMM Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01 ==^
RE: [obc] CfSC
A mailing list without rants and inflammatory posts? What a concept, but hopelessly idealistic. Some (many) of us can be irritating, but like any community, we need to be tolerant. I feel that CfSC posts have a place here to inform us of the highlights of their activities as long as they do not overflow with politics or other non cycling related topics. The alternative to the present situation, where we would restrict postings would undoubtedly make this list less interesting. Deleting is an easy option, or filtering out. And just a suggestion - those who tack on quotes about the global economy or other non-related things, please go away to another forum. Bob Simpson -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.aVHtMM Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01 ==^
