Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Font embedding exceptions
Title: FreeCode Signature Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Lun 5 janvier 2009 13:15, Egil Möller a écrit : Aggregation would be the case if you distribute an ODF and a TTF in a zip file. And this would be different from including the TFF in the same ZIP-file as the ODF-XML-files (Hint: ODF-files _are_ zip-files!) It would be because the ODF file is obviously an integrated work, when a simple zip is just aggregation. Legal definitions are not technical definitions, and the same technical setup can fall under different legal categories depending on how humans use it. The legal system only cares about human interactions. I fail to see the difference in human interaction too - one file, containing two files, one of which refferences the other one in some way. -- Konsulent, Fri Programvare / Free Software Consultant Mobil: +47 - 473 44 024 Telefon: +47 - 21 53 69 00, Fax: +47 - 21 53 69 09 Adr: Nydalsveien 30b, 3. etg., 0484 Oslo Web: www.freecode.no Check out our published Free Software @ http://code.freecode.no. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Font embedding exceptions
Le Lun 5 janvier 2009 13:15, Egil Möller a écrit : Aggregation would be the case if you distribute an ODF and a TTF in a zip file. And this would be different from including the TFF in the same ZIP-file as the ODF-XML-files (Hint: ODF-files _are_ zip-files!) It would be because the ODF file is obviously an integrated work, when a simple zip is just aggregation. Legal definitions are not technical definitions, and the same technical setup can fall under different legal categories depending on how humans use it. The legal system only cares about human interactions. -- Nicolas Mailhot
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Font embedding exceptions
Title: FreeCode Signature Aggregation would be the case if you distribute an ODF and a TTF in a zip file. And this would be different from including the TFF in the same ZIP-file as the ODF-XML-files (Hint: ODF-files _are_ zip-files!) -- Konsulent, Fri Programvare / Free Software Consultant Mobil: +47 - 473 44 024 Telefon: +47 - 21 53 69 00, Fax: +47 - 21 53 69 09 Adr: Nydalsveien 30b, 3. etg., 0484 Oslo Web: www.freecode.no Check out our published Free Software @ http://code.freecode.no. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Font embedding exceptions
Le mercredi 31 décembre 2008 à 11:37 +, Rob Myers a écrit : On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2008/12/30 Jon Stanley jonstan...@gmail.com: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:47 PM, fontfree...@aol.com wrote: The output from running a covered work is covered by this License only if the output, given its content, constitutes a covered work. Since you are embedding a font, which is itself a covered work, unmodified into the document, an exception is required. The end. +1 A theoretical dissenting view: The document is not software and is not a derivative of the font. Including the font with the document, which can be used without it, is mere aggregation. This is an academic distinction, all major electronic document formats (odf, pdf, doc, html) can include js or vb active code The correct answer to the original question is that lack of the exception produces legal incertitude, and good FLOSS citizens do *not* want to expose their users to legal incertitude, so they add the exception and the problem is solved. -- Nicolas Mailhot signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Font embedding exceptions
2008/12/30 Jon Stanley jonstan...@gmail.com: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:47 PM, fontfree...@aol.com wrote: The output from running a covered work is covered by this License only if the output, given its content, constitutes a covered work. Since you are embedding a font, which is itself a covered work, unmodified into the document, an exception is required. The end. +1
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Font embedding exceptions
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2008/12/30 Jon Stanley jonstan...@gmail.com: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:47 PM, fontfree...@aol.com wrote: The output from running a covered work is covered by this License only if the output, given its content, constitutes a covered work. Since you are embedding a font, which is itself a covered work, unmodified into the document, an exception is required. The end. +1 A theoretical dissenting view: The document is not software and is not a derivative of the font. Including the font with the document, which can be used without it, is mere aggregation. - Rob.
Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Font embedding exceptions
2008/12/31 Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org: The document is not software The GPL applies to 'works' not software, so this is irrelevant. and is not a derivative of the font. Derivative works in copyright law are not intuitive; a work made by combining 2 works is a 'derivative' of both works. So a PDF that embeds a font is indeed a derivative work of the font. Including the font with the document, which can be used without it, is mere aggregation. Aggregation would be the case if you distribute an ODF and a TTF in a zip file. -- Regards, Dave
[OpenFontLibrary] Font embedding exceptions
Also if someone has current contacts for past contributors, it would be nice to get the font exception added to the license. -- Nicolas Mailhot I really want to know if font / embedding exceptions are really needed. A font is very distinct from the document it's embedded into, it would seem to me an embedding exception isn't really neccecary. In GPL 3.0, _http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.txt_ (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.txt) This sentence would seem to make adding a font embedding exception unnecessary: The output from running a covered work is covered by this License only if the output, given its content, constitutes a covered work. When a font designer elects not to use an open source license specifically designed for fonts (such as the OFL) , using the canonical version of an open source license seems like a good idea. FF **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025)
