Re: [osol-discuss] MS Windows 2003 to Solaris 10 ISCSI
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 17:44 +1200, Ian Collins wrote: Curt Mills wrote: So we created an ISCSI target on our Solaris box and are now having trouble connecting to it from Windows 2003, Windows Vista, or Windows XP when the target is greater than 2GB. comp.unix.solaris is a better place to ask Solaris 10 questions. One would also argue that having paid support would be the exact type of thing needed in that scenario. In fact you're both wrong. As stated earlier this list is not a helpdesk, however This is clearly an issue that is of interest to the OpenSolaris Storage Community, and in particular the iSCSI Target Project. I would request that this question be raised there so that we can have a closer look and determine the nature of the problem. When submitting please include as much details as possible, such as what type of target, the discovery method (static, sendfiles, or iSNS), size of the target, Solaris release that you are using, filesystem on which the target LUN exists, and the output of 'iscsitadm list target -v'... along with any other tidbits that might help us analyze the problem. If there really is a problem we'll want to determine why and resolve it. Thanks. Find the discussion list here: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/iscsitgt/discussions/ benr. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk
It appears to me that opensolaris-discuss is becoming more and more dominated with Solaris installation questions, and the OpenSolaris content is becoming lost in the noise. Whilst it is very nice that people are being so helpful, it would seem to me that we should either be directing people elsewhere (e.g. BigAdmin) or set up a new list (opensolaris-newbies?) for installation and getting-started questions. What do people think? I think that you have a point and that you're right. I also think that the nature of opensolaris-discuss is generic in nature and as such people will always wonder in as one of their first stops on their Solaris journey. Finally, I think that inspite of the annoying and thankless nature of the helpdesk situation we as a community get two very, very important breaks: - here is our chance to show that we're a friendly community! Indeed, we should lead the way and be the standard by which all others are compared in friendlyness; I believe that friendlyness to newcomers which are genuinely interested and willing to learn Solaris is one of the great indicators of how we, as a community, are doing in terms of vitality - here is also our chance to amend the confusion and FUD brought over from the Linux camp; a chance to show people who things are done in a CLEAN, SCALABLE way and to teach them System V; I firmly believe it's a chance we should not let pass us by - finally, those who know and therefore have should benefit those who don't; share some of your knowledge and help make the world a better place, a more educated and cultured place. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Newbie here with some questions.
ux-admin, a lot of this is totally new to me but I will try it since this is the only way to learn.I really appreciate your time in answering this for me. Now,there is no option to do format from the graphical installer so do I need to do this from an ok prompt?Right now I can only get to an ok prompt via an init 0 from the OS instead of from a cold boot since I don't have (yet) a Sun keyboard and it will be until Monday when I get one... The ok prompt is the PROM level, which is too low for `format`. `format` is a Solaris-specific command for slicing a disk or disks, meaning, you need to already be running Solaris to be able to execute it. Fortunately, on sparc, disks from Sun already come prelabeled with a VTOC label and the Solaris installer does give you the option to slice up the disk, one or more of them. When you're slicing up the disks in the installer, that's when you are actually doing the equivalent of `format` that you would call from a command line. Long story short, you can slice up the disk(s) the way I described above from the installer's GUI. As an interesting tidbit, Solaris has both `fdisk` and `format`, although they do similar but different things: `fdisk` is used to create/delete/manipulate partitions, and `format` is used to create slices, either inside of these partitions or directly on the disk if one is on sparc. (`fdisk` isn't really used or needed on sparc, but on i86pc.) `newfs` is used to lay out the filesystem(s) on the slices after slicing the disks up. swap slice is not to be `newfs`ed. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk
Andrew Watkins wrote: I had a quick look at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/newbies/ and it has a lot of good information, but I think it needs to be improved. Like the most common questions asked is about installation, so may be some good HOWTO docs. OK! the over does have one Solaris 10 install, but it is a long way down the page and it referrers to Solaris (a new user could be confused) If you are using one of the Solaris Express releases, note that the area of Solaris installation is actively being worked on, so this guide may not match the latest SXCE or SXDE bits. Seems fairly clear to me... It is very important that we give as much help to new users as possible, since we want to hold on to them.. Send me the content and I'll include it. -- Alan Burlison -- ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SATA problems on chipset VIA VT8237R (epia EK)
Lu, Baolu wrote: OpenSolaris does support SATA controllers, but there are some comments. I am not familiar with the VT8237R chipset, but I can share with you my experiences on Intel chipsets. On the Intel server platform, the IO Bridge (south bridge) integrates the SATA controller. The SATA controller can be set to three modes: IDE - Legacy IDE mode AHCI - Advanced Host Controller Interface RAID - SATA soft-RAID Currently, as far as I know, OpenSolaris only supports the IDE mode of the SATA controller. So set your SATA mode to IDE in the BIOS setup utility. OpenSolaris supports AHCI mode, and ICH6R and VT8251 are supposed to work perfectly. For details, please see the man page of ahci driver. BTW, 1. When IDE mode is set, only 4 SATA ports are available. Attach your hard drives onto the first 4 SATA ports. 2. Before installation, check the BIOS setup. Make sure your SATA hard drives are recognized by your system. Yours, Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of alessioc Sent: 2007年7月24日 22:24 To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [osol-discuss] SATA problems on chipset VIA VT8237R (epia EK) i'm trying to install osol b68 but it seems it does not recognize the hdd attached to the sata controller of my motherboard (chipset via VT8237R). is there any way to know what's going wrong? is there any way to know if this chipset is supported? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Ombudsman: Contribution agreement boundaries.
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 11:04 +0100, Alberto Ruiz - Sun Microsystems - Dublin Ireland wrote: Hello, Stephen Lau wrote: Can we use PGP signing with trusted keys? I don't think those have proved to be legally enforceable. My name is Alberto Ruiz, from the Sun Ray group, I'm working on the opensourcing of APOC (apoc.freedesktop.org) that is ought to be released on November. I've just subscribed to the mailing list, so I'm quite late to the discussion, Phillip Russell has forwarded me the answers to the initial question that I sent to him. My main worry about the issue is not the process itself, which is reasonable for commit access, but with small patches and contributions. If someone takes the time to write a patch and send it to us, I don't find how can we ask them to do even more work than they've done already. The Apache Foundation for example, follows this pattern, the contribution agreement is only needed for commit access, the GNOME Foundation does just the same. It's really upsetting to do this kind of things after the whole effort of writting a patch, I think that some (most?) people would give up, and we would end up with lots of frozen patches on our bug tracking systems/mailing lists. For big projects like OpenSolaris.org or OpenJDK, people might have motivation enough, but APOC is a small project, and chances to attract contributions are already hard, this kind of requirements would not only ending up with less contributions, but people ranting about us and spreading a bad image of the company. The question that I've been unable to get answer for is, is it possible to apply the SCA only for people requesting commit access? Who can I ask to try to find a solution on this regard? What is APOC? I went to the website and was informed that I'm not allowed to view it? Do Sun realise the key component in OpenSource is Open? Matthew -- Kaiwai's Blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris thinks that my standalone desktop is a huge network....
On Sun, 2007-08-05 at 01:31 -0700, UNIX admin wrote: e) Ubuntu kept trying to do DHCP, no matter what, in the most braindead way possible f) the GUI to configure networking did not work under Ubuntu - quite simply, there was no effect! These are down to NetworkManager, which is now installed by default on Ubuntu I believe. It has similar goals to our NWAM project, but it's taken some flack for not interacting with the other standard networking tools and configuration files, as you just discovered... Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Fonts looking bad vs Windows?
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 13:46 +0100, Calum Benson wrote: On Sun, 2007-08-12 at 02:31 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 06:02 -0700, Orvar Korvar wrote: Ok, ive tried that, sub pixel smoothing and such stuff and it looks better. Would installing trutype fonts make it looks better still? I can rip them from my Windows XP installation? Are there any guides on how to get good looking fonts on Solaris? Like, get truetype, use subpixel smoothing, use this and that, etc? This message posted from opensolaris.org Yes, you can copy them accross from Windows XP. Be aware that it may violate the terms of the Windows EULA, though-- certainly used to, IIRC. But in many countries the EULA is pretty much void - its like warranties, Apple can scream '1 year' in New Zealand till the cows come home but they're required under the definition of 'fair wear and tear' to actually provide a 3 year warranty on their products (same goes for many under vendors who try to have crappy warranties). Matthew -- Kaiwai's Blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Ombudsman: Contribution agreement boundaries.
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 23:14 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: What is APOC? I went to the website and was informed that I'm not allowed to view it? Do Sun realise the key component in OpenSource is Open? Its posh name is Sun Desktop Manager: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2726/6n50ct8c7?a=view Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Fonts looking bad vs Windows?
But in many countries the EULA is pretty much void - its like warranties, Apple can scream '1 year' in New Zealand till the cows come home but they're required under the definition of 'fair wear and tear' to actually provide a 3 year warranty on their products (same goes for many under vendors who try to have crappy warranties). Europe isn't much different (two years for most goods) and even then it's still a question of reasonable life expectancy which may cause vendors to pay for a considerable portion of the repair bill for a few years after that. Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Ombudsman: Contribution agreement boundaries.
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 14:16 +0100, Calum Benson wrote: On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 23:14 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: What is APOC? I went to the website and was informed that I'm not allowed to view it? Do Sun realise the key component in OpenSource is Open? Its posh name is Sun Desktop Manager: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2726/6n50ct8c7?a=view Cheeri, Calum. Very spiffy; I assume that there will be Windows integration with it soon as well (as an alternative to having an active directory server)? Matthew -- Kaiwai's Blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk
I've polished up the newbies page as a result of the feedback I've had (http://www.opensolaris.org/os/newbies/) and added links to it from the following places - basically everywhere I could find that referred to opensolaris-discuss. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/ http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/help http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/contact/ http://www.opensolaris.org/os/discussions http://www.opensolaris.org/os/discussiongroups Those who wanted to blog about this, fire away ;-) -- Alan Burlison -- ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Fonts looking bad vs Windows?
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 15:19 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But in many countries the EULA is pretty much void - its like warranties, Apple can scream '1 year' in New Zealand till the cows come home but they're required under the definition of 'fair wear and tear' to actually provide a 3 year warranty on their products (same goes for many under vendors who try to have crappy warranties). Europe isn't much different (two years for most goods) and even then it's still a question of reasonable life expectancy which may cause vendors to pay for a considerable portion of the repair bill for a few years after that. Casper IIRC the NZ consumer commission I think laid it out a few years ago for a bunch of products; the one that was most hit was the iPod - given how many people purchased 'extended warranties' when they weren't actually required given the protection under law was more than sufficient. Piracy is an interesting thing in NZ - you'll find that those who are taken to court tend to be 'big time' DVD/CD piraters - IIRC it is still under a civil law which means its up to the individual affected to come forward and prove that by the action of the one individual, their organisation was destrimentally harmed; in the case of Microsoft they would have buckley's chance of getting it through by accusing someone of ripping some fonts of a cd. Matthew -- Kaiwai's Blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Ombudsman: Contribution agreement boundaries.
Matthew, What is APOC? I went to the website and was informed that I'm not allowed to view it? Do Sun realise the key component in OpenSource is Open? I got the same, but then put a in the search box and clicked Titles, and got a whole load of viewable pages back (all with horribly-highlighted a's on a pale-blue background :-) ). Sneaky, huh? ;-) Regards... Sean. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Ombudsman: Contribution agreement boundaries.
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: What is APOC? I went to the website and was informed that I'm not allowed to view it? Do Sun realise the key component in OpenSource is Open? Sorry, I've sent this message to a public mailing list by mistake (thunderbird tab completion). Actually, I'm not even subscribed anymore, so I don't know how the email went through. If you want more details about what APOC is, take a look at the Sun Desktop Manager docs from the Sun site: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/1230.6 Regarding the webpage, obviously, we are not denying the access to anyone, it's just empty and we haven't done anything but the wiki theme, hopefully we are going to release it on November. Sadly, this things takes more time than we would like to. Matthew My apologies for any confusion produced, and stay tuned if you are interested on the project. If you have any further questions, just contact me. Thanks, begin:vcard fn:Alberto Ruiz n:Ruiz;Alberto org:Sun Microsystem Inc.;SunRay Team adr;dom:;;;Dublin email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Software Engineer tel;work:x19231 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.sun.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk
Alan Burlison wrote: It appears to me that opensolaris-discuss is becoming more and more dominated with Solaris installation questions, and the OpenSolaris content is becoming lost in the noise. Whilst it is very nice that people are being so helpful, it would seem to me that we should either be directing people elsewhere (e.g. BigAdmin) or set up a new list (opensolaris-newbies?) for installation and getting-started questions. Every question asked on -discuss means The problem solution is not obvious, I was not able to figure out better place to ask and I have not found the answer with the google I don't see a problem here, the -discuss traffic simply reflects the biggest issues that are in the community. Proper googleable FAQs, guides, and tutorials will reduce the noise, not creation of other lists or unsubscription or whatever other hiding mechanism... What do people think? just my .2 cents, Martin P.S. just BTW: what do you mean by OpenSolaris Content, isn't installation an opensolaris issue numero uno (#1)? -- http://martinman.net ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk
Martin Man wrote: Every question asked on -discuss means The problem solution is not obvious, I was not able to figure out better place to ask and I have not found the answer with the google No, not necessarily. I'd maintain it means I'm stuck and I posted to the first mailing list that I found that looked vaguely relevant. I don't see a problem here, the -discuss traffic simply reflects the biggest issues that are in the community. It is a problem because installation questions are drowning out everything else, and community members are unsubscribing as a result. Proper googleable FAQs, guides, and tutorials will reduce the noise, not creation of other lists or unsubscription or whatever other hiding mechanism... We already have the first, we aren't creating any new lists and nobody is hiding anything. All I am doing is making it easier for people to find the existing forum for help. What exactly is the problem with that? P.S. just BTW: what do you mean by OpenSolaris Content, isn't installation an opensolaris issue numero uno (#1)? General community discussion - proposals for new projects, suggestions for things we should address as a community etc. Most everything *except* installation questions. -- Alan Burlison -- ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk
You've made some good points - I try to do my bit - when I 'trip over' features in Solaris I plonk them on my blog in a hope that maybe it'll help others; I know a thing or two about UNIX but in terms of the 'Solaris features' I'm very much a beginner. I appreciate that you blog them, but it will probably be better if we centralize this things.and post them in the wiki: http://www.genunix.org/wiki I am currently actively adding howtos to the howto section. Cheers, Brian -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk
Alan Burlison wrote: Martin Man wrote: P.S. just BTW: what do you mean by OpenSolaris Content, isn't installation an opensolaris issue numero uno (#1)? General community discussion - proposals for new projects, suggestions for things we should address as a community etc. Most everything *except* installation questions. I'm sorry to say that: but to become part of opensolaris community you very probably need to have opensolaris running. Willingness of the people to do so (to have it running), and their inability to do so shown by the massive amount of installation related questions is clearly demonstrating high-barrier to enter the community. Nothing more, nothing less. Go Indiana Go, Martin -- http://martinman.net ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk
Brandorr wrote: We already have the first, we aren't creating any new lists and nobody is hiding anything. All I am doing is making it easier for people to find the existing forum for help. What exactly is the problem with that? I hate to say it, but the FAQs are not FAQs. We aren't taking the most frequently asked questions on opensolaris-discuss and posting them to the FAQ. In the ideal world, when ever someone asked a question, we would point them to the FAQ. If there is no entry in the FAQ, you would put an entry in the FAQ and then point them to the FAQ. I await your rewritten content. I'll be happy to post the changes for you. P.S. just BTW: what do you mean by OpenSolaris Content, isn't installation an opensolaris issue numero uno (#1)? General community discussion - proposals for new projects, suggestions for things we should address as a community etc. Most everything *except* installation questions. I think that I partly disagree with that. Project proposals go in requisite community groups. And if there isn't one, or people don't know which one is appropriate? Things that we should do as a community is fine, but there are other avenues to reach people (like announce). It seems that if we start blowing off people, the problem will get worse, as people will be less likely to have their questions get answered, and the likelihood of them getting frustrated and going back to Linux/MacOS-X will increase. You obviously misread what I wrote. Nobody is talking about 'blowing off people'. That said, I have made some minor suggestions on website-discuss that would relieve some of this, but I was told that we have to wait for a complete site redesign. (In particular, I wanted a link to the docs community homepage, next to the download icon on the top right of the page.) There's already a link in the LH sidebar. I would talk to Michelle about incorporating more newbie stuff on the docs homepage, and that would neatly resolve some of these issues.. Then you should start by becoming a member of that community, then you can make the changes yourself. I feel that www.opensolaris.org's homepage really needs to get a complete makeover as a user targeted website. (While still providing a link to a developer homepage) (Maybe have a redirect, dev.osol.org, as well) Fine, I suggest take this up on website-discuss. I know there is a feeling of Solaris is for the elite, but if we want OpenSolaris to remain relevant, and leading edge, we need widespread adoption, and anything we can do to assist in that, would be helpful. (I might even say that marketing should hire someone to answer newbie questions full time.) I have *no* idea why you think Solaris is for the elite, I certainly don't. And I might even say that answering newbie questions is a role that is 100% suited to the existing community members. Even if we had the budget, no one person could answer all the questions which were asked. It's about time the community stopped 'suggesting' and started 'doing' IMHO. -- Alan Burlison -- ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk
Valerie Bubb Fenwick wrote: On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Alan Burlison wrote: I disagree, I suspect many people have unsubscribed because of the unacceptable S/N ratio, and as a result we no longer have any good way You can count me in that bunch. I know I'm missing important conversations, it was just too much mail to sift through. You can mostly count me in that bunch. I'm still subscribed to -discuss, but I've got 9786 messages I haven't had a chance to look at going back to early this year. I just happened to see this thread and looked at it. -spp ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] How to check OS version via boot prompt?
Hi All I'm trying to check the OS version from the OK boot prompt. Is there a command from the OK boot prompt that will tell me what version of Solaris I have installed? Thank you for you help Anne ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk
Sean Sprague wrote: You should get out more! But watch out for the potters ;-) Hey! We're not so bad! Just because that Rowling lady decided to make us look bad with those witches James and Lily and family. :-) -spp, Potter and Proud :-) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] How to check OS version via boot prompt?
Reply sent off-list: Please note opensolaris.org is intended for discussion of OpenSolaris, not Solaris - they are two different things. If you are interested in OpenSolaris (and I hope you are ;-), please see http://opensolaris.org/os/newbies/, if you are interested in Solaris I suggest you follow the BigAdmin link from that page. Regards, -- Alan Burlison -- ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Alan Burlison wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: It is better to have clean decisions instead of moving away because of noise. Agreed. I can currrently live with the current level of newbe noise and I am in hope that an official OpenSolaris helpdesk would reduce the amount of traffic in this list. There is one as Keith pointed out, it is called opensolaris-help. However until we start directing people there, they won't start using it. I wonder... How many experts sit around trolling *-help lists looking for an opportunity to help a newbie in need? Not too many in my experience. If you can't help, just don't answer. The subject line usually provides a clue for me as to whether a given thread will be 'interesting' or not. The vast majority of messages in the two dozen or so mailing lists I'm subscribed to (including LKML) do not interest me, though there is that occasion gem. However, I do not bother posting messages to any them explaining how uninteresting I find a given problem/subject to be. Posting help messages in non-help groups hardly seems to be a phenomenon unique to the solaris lists. -- Jon Trulson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] #include std/disclaimer.h No Kill I -Horta ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Fonts looking bad vs Windows?
The X group hasn't, but I am working on integrating the Deja Vu fonts -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] icrosystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Wow, the DejaVu fonts! Solaris is going to look even prettier! If my memory serves me correctly, Sun was one of the biggest players in font scaling (along with Adobe and Apple). To say that Solaris fonts looking bad will make some Solaris-desktop users (e.g., me) mad. As we all know, you cannot copyright a font type (thou you can patent it--it''s a totally different story). But you can trademark it (as Microsoft did with Times New Roman). The main reason I believe we need TrueType fonts is b/c we need the Times New Roman fonts (for compatibility). Sun's Thorndale fonts are identical to the Times New Roman, but a license is still needed to use the name. Don't know whether my words make sense, but just want to raise an objection to the subject heading. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] How to check OS version via boot prompt?
Please refrain from posting HTML messages. To answer your question, there is no way to check the OS version short of writing a Forth program that would read raw blocks in and search through raw data, but that's not really meant to work that way. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] IBM to ship Solaris with x86 servers
IBM and Sun today announced that IBM will distribute the Solaris(TM) Operating System (OS) and Solaris Subscriptions for select x86-based IBM System x servers and BladeCenter servers to clients through IBM's routes to market. http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/AQTH08016082007-1.htm -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Install OpenSolaris without DVD/CD drive
Hi Folks Any pointers on best way to install OpenSolaris on a laptop with a borked optical drive ? I think it can boot from CD (unstable) / USB, but methods not involvng the optical drive shall be preferred. Thanks - Akhilesh There is an article in the Chinese localized edition of OpenSolaris wiki that provides instructions to installing Solaris from the ISO image(s) stored in a vfat partition on the same disc. The article is in Chinese, but, the code, of course, is in universal-ish. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Install OpenSolaris without DVD/CD drive
There is an article in the Chinese localized edition of OpenSolaris wiki that provides instructions to installing Solaris from the ISO image(s) stored in a vfat partition on the same disc. The article is in Chinese, but, the code, of course, is in universal-ish. The URL: http://wiki.gceclub.sun.com.cn/index.php/%E5%A6%82%E4%BD%95%E4%BB%8E%E7%A1%AC%E7%9B%98%E5%AE%89%E8%A3%85Solaris%EF%BC%9F or http://gceclub.sun.com.cn/NASApp/sme/jive/thread.jsp?forum=13thread=40792 This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] How to check OS version via boot prompt?
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 17:10 +0100, Alan Burlison wrote: Reply sent off-list: Please note opensolaris.org is intended for discussion of OpenSolaris, not Solaris - they are two different things. If you are interested in OpenSolaris (and I hope you are ;-), please see http://opensolaris.org/os/newbies/, if you are interested in Solaris I suggest you follow the BigAdmin link from that page. Regards, Hi, I'm actually running OpenSolaris B71 right now. Matthew -- Kaiwai's Blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk
Stephen! Sean Sprague wrote: You should get out more! But watch out for the potters ;-) Hey! We're not so bad! Just because that Rowling lady decided to make us look bad with those witches James and Lily and family. :-) -spp, Potter and Proud :-) Do you have a beard? You could be Hairy Potter ;-) Regards... Sean. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Soft Partitions
Hello, I am new to opensolaris and am wanting to try and set up soft partitions. I have been trying to read through various docs and am just not grasping how it is done. I am using vmware and only a single disk. Can I let it auto partition or do I need to set up the partitions manually leaving a large block of free space for soft partitions? Do I need to create just one large slice and then create a soft partition and then create my default slices? I am also having a helluva time understanding solaris partitioning, I am seeing 3 swap partitions which is just confusing me all the more. I am not opposed to reading and would prefer it if possible. If someone can point me in the direction of a good explanation of why it is set up like this I would very much appreciate it. I know I am asking basic questions but if someone can just help get going in the right direction I will do whatever it takes to figure it out on my own. Thanks for any advice, Jon ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Soft Partitions
Check http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/HOWTOs_and_Guides If that doesn't give you the info you need, then post a follow question to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Brian -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ On 8/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am new to opensolaris and am wanting to try and set up soft partitions. I have been trying to read through various docs and am just not grasping how it is done. I am using vmware and only a single disk. Can I let it auto partition or do I need to set up the partitions manually leaving a large block of free space for soft partitions? Do I need to create just one large slice and then create a soft partition and then create my default slices? I am also having a helluva time understanding solaris partitioning, I am seeing 3 swap partitions which is just confusing me all the more. I am not opposed to reading and would prefer it if possible. If someone can point me in the direction of a good explanation of why it is set up like this I would very much appreciate it. I know I am asking basic questions but if someone can just help get going in the right direction I will do whatever it takes to figure it out on my own. Thanks for any advice, Jon ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Soft Partitions
Quoting Brandorr [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Check http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/HOWTOs_and_Guides If that doesn't give you the info you need, then post a follow question to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Brian Perfect! Thanks Brian, I will post any other questions I have to the opensolaris-help instead of creating noise on discuss. Jon ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?
[b]Darl McBride, SCO CEO, April 2005[/b]: We have seen what Sun plans to do with OpenSolaris and we have no problem with it. What they're doing protects our Unix intellectual property rights. [b]Jack Messman, Novell CEO, in November 2004 on Sun's plans to open source Solaris[/b]: We are going to be interested in seeing how they do that because we own Unix. We own the copyrights and the patents. [b]Scott McNealy, Sun CEO, in November 2004[/b]: There were hundreds of encumbrances to open sourcing Solaris. Some of them we had to buy out, others we had to eliminate. We had to pay SCO more money so we could open the code -- I couldn't say anything about that at the time, but now I can tell you that we paid them that license fee to expand our rights to the code. [b]Judge Dale Kimball, August 2007[/b]: The 2003 Sun Agreement purports...to amend and restate a Software License and Distribution Agreement, signed March 17, 1994, between Sun and Novell. Id. Recitals. In the 1994 Sun Agreement, Sun obtained a license that included certain UNIX System V technology. The 2003 Sun Agreement re-licenses the SVRX technology licensed in the 1994 Sun Agreement and licenses additional SVRX technology to Sun. Id. Ex. 10SCO did not contact Novell for approval before executing the 2003 Sun Agreement or the 2003 Microsoft Agreement. And Novell did not authorize either agreement. ...the court concludes that Novell is the owner of the UNIX and UnixWare copyrights. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?
[b]Bruce Lowry, Novell Spokesman, Aug 2007[/b] We're not interested in suing people over Unix, Novell spokesman Bruce Lowry said. We're not even in the Unix business anymore. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135959-c,unix/article.html On 8/16/07, Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [b]Darl McBride, SCO CEO, April 2005[/b]: We have seen what Sun plans to do with OpenSolaris and we have no problem with it. What they're doing protects our Unix intellectual property rights. [b]Jack Messman, Novell CEO, in November 2004 on Sun's plans to open source Solaris[/b]: We are going to be interested in seeing how they do that because we own Unix. We own the copyrights and the patents. [b]Scott McNealy, Sun CEO, in November 2004[/b]: There were hundreds of encumbrances to open sourcing Solaris. Some of them we had to buy out, others we had to eliminate. We had to pay SCO more money so we could open the code -- I couldn't say anything about that at the time, but now I can tell you that we paid them that license fee to expand our rights to the code. [b]Judge Dale Kimball, August 2007[/b]: The 2003 Sun Agreement purports...to amend and restate a Software License and Distribution Agreement, signed March 17, 1994, between Sun and Novell. Id. Recitals. In the 1994 Sun Agreement, Sun obtained a license that included certain UNIX System V technology. The 2003 Sun Agreement re-licenses the SVRX technology licensed in the 1994 Sun Agreement and licenses additional SVRX technology to Sun. Id. Ex. 10SCO did not contact Novell for approval before executing the 2003 Sun Agreement or the 2003 Microsoft Agreement. And Novell did not authorize either agreement. ...the court concludes that Novell is the owner of the UNIX and UnixWare copyrights. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk
Brandorr wrote: I think that I partly disagree with that. Project proposals go in requisite community groups. And if there isn't one, or people don't know which one is appropriate? Fair enough, but I still think no matter what we do, Newbies will continue to post to osol-discuss. RTFM, is only a partial solution, as in today's world, how many people go to the manual when they install Microsoft Windows? Until the OpenSolaris installation process is as smooth, or smoother than installing MS-Windows, we are going to have to accept that there will be many people asking questions. I don't remember claiming this was going to fix all the problems the OpenSolaris community has - or are you merely suggesting I am wasting my time? You obviously misread what I wrote. Nobody is talking about 'blowing off people'. I am talking specifically about observed behavior. I have seen many of the helpful' posts that basically say, Wrong place, go post on comp.unix.solaris And what exactly has that got to do with the improvements I've made? I have *no* idea why you think Solaris is for the elite, I certainly don't. I have a strong sense, that many people feel that OpenSolaris.org is for developers not users. Personally, I don't think the newbie questions are the main reason people unsubscribe. I think it is the unfettered fray of an unmoderated list, that is getting on peoples nerves... (To me the most annoying things on -discuss aren't newbie questions, but I stay subscribed, partly because of the newbie questions, and partly because I have an email client that can show a list of threads.) ;) Perhaps threads like this, where attempts at positive contributions are met with griping and moaning don't help either. Actually the saying is Stop complaining and start proposing solutions. This person would be a member of the community, just like any other Sun employee that posts here. I've already said there is no budget for this - or are you personally going to pay their salary? And if/when I *do* get resources, there are *far* more pressing things for them to do than act as a helpdesk. In my experience dedicating a single person, and no more, is very helpful for this purpose, and while he/she may not be able to answer all the questions, they can shield the devs and workers from all but the most esoteric questions. In addition they will know where to direct someone to get the correct answers, if the question is over their head. (I say no more than one, because the biggest benefit is to be gained by that first person, and costs are contained. In addition, as the community grows, more community members will step up to the plate.) This person could also be the primary maintainer of the FAQ. (Searching through old threads looking for useful entries.) I guess you could call this person the Newbie/User Relations Czar You can call them whatever you like, because they aren't going to exist. This is clearly an area where the community should take responsibility for solving the problem. As I said, it's about time the community stopped expecting to be spoon-fed at every turn, and started taking responsibility for solving some of the issues. -- Alan Burlison -- ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] This is not a Solaris helpdesk
Jon Trulson wrote: There is one as Keith pointed out, it is called opensolaris-help. However until we start directing people there, they won't start using it. I wonder... How many experts sit around trolling *-help lists looking for an opportunity to help a newbie in need? Not too many in my experience. If you can't help, just don't answer. The subject line usually provides a clue for me as to whether a given thread will be 'interesting' or not. The vast majority of messages in the two dozen or so mailing lists I'm subscribed to (including LKML) do not interest me, though there is that occasion gem. However, I do not bother posting messages to any them explaining how uninteresting I find a given problem/subject to be. Posting help messages in non-help groups hardly seems to be a phenomenon unique to the solaris lists. Great, so this is an area where we can do *better* than other communities. -- Alan Burlison -- ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] SPAM in Forum: curriculum
No sure if it's relevant to post this here, but perhaps an admin can take care of it (and even lock it since it seems no one uses it) This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Fonts looking bad vs Windows?
Hi All, I have DejaVu and Andale installed and it's great. Dave On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 10:56 -0700, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: The X group hasn't, but I am working on integrating the Deja Vu fonts -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] icrosystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Wow, the DejaVu fonts! Solaris is going to look even prettier! If my memory serves me correctly, Sun was one of the biggest players in font scaling (along with Adobe and Apple). To say that Solaris fonts looking bad will make some Solaris-desktop users (e.g., me) mad. As we all know, you cannot copyright a font type (thou you can patent it--it''s a totally different story). But you can trademark it (as Microsoft did with Times New Roman). The main reason I believe we need TrueType fonts is b/c we need the Times New Roman fonts (for compatibility). Sun's Thorndale fonts are identical to the Times New Roman, but a license is still needed to use the name. Don't know whether my words make sense, but just want to raise an objection to the subject heading. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org David Clack Solaris X86 Evangelist Senior Systems Engineer OEM Software Sales Sun Microsystems 642, Chinook Ave SE, Ocean Shores, WA, USA, 98569 Phone +1-360-289-2158 Fax +1-360-289-2091 Mobile +1-206-265-1904 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?
On 8/17/07, Brandorr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [b]Bruce Lowry, Novell Spokesman, Aug 2007[/b] We're not interested in suing people over Unix, Novell spokesman Bruce Lowry said. We're not even in the Unix business anymore. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135959-c,unix/article.html While this is a good stance to take by Novell, opensolaris depending on the altruism of another corporate whose business is in making a competition product(Suse) is not the best of positions to be in. As per the word of law is opensolaris in a safe state or not is what is more important. ~Shiv ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?
On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 06:34 +0530, S h i v wrote: On 8/17/07, Brandorr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [b]Bruce Lowry, Novell Spokesman, Aug 2007[/b] We're not interested in suing people over Unix, Novell spokesman Bruce Lowry said. We're not even in the Unix business anymore. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135959-c,unix/article.html While this is a good stance to take by Novell, opensolaris depending on the altruism of another corporate whose business is in making a competition product(Suse) is not the best of positions to be in. As per the word of law is opensolaris in a safe state or not is what is more important. Yes - this has alraedy been established. Dear god, how many times must it be repeated? Matthew -- Kaiwai's Blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?
On 8/17/07, Kaiwai Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 06:34 +0530, S h i v wrote: On 8/17/07, Brandorr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [b]Bruce Lowry, Novell Spokesman, Aug 2007[/b] We're not interested in suing people over Unix, Novell spokesman Bruce Lowry said. We're not even in the Unix business anymore. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135959-c,unix/article.html While this is a good stance to take by Novell, opensolaris depending on the altruism of another corporate whose business is in making a competition product(Suse) is not the best of positions to be in. As per the word of law is opensolaris in a safe state or not is what is more important. Yes - this has alraedy been established. Dear god, how many times must it be repeated? Yes, yes. I was just pointing out that Novell's mattered less than the other question. But wasn't asking it (again) :) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Gathering support to replace the current DHCP
Quite a bit was invested in making the DHCP server scale really well in large environments; the ISC server we're told does not scale as well. I think it is fair to say that scale really well is fairly subjective. By default, the Solaris' Enterprise DHCP mode essentially means sharing the ASCII tables over NFS with other servers. If you want to do something fancy involving MAC addresses and you have a large network, using this sort of setup is fairly painful. [If you go the forwarding route, it makes setting up boot servers a major pain. If you go to distributed servers, it also means you need to distribute your DHCP macros, which leads to a host of other problems. As a sidenote, while the Solaris DHCP server back-end is supposed to be pluggable, example code was (and probably still is) non-existent unless you grovel through the (Open)Solaris codebase. When I last asked Dave Miner about it a few years ago, he said he didn't know of anyone that actually implemented one either This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] OT: Sun hardware to disappear?!?!
First we get the new T2 being GPL'ed. Now it looks like we will have IBM servers preloading Solaris. http://www.physorg.com/news106499717.html Is Sun planning to leave the hardware market? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun hardware to disappear?!?!
On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 10:35 +0800, Giles Turner wrote: First we get the new T2 being GPL'ed. Now it looks like we will have IBM servers preloading Solaris. http://www.physorg.com/news106499717.html Is Sun planning to leave the hardware market? What tha? who? dear god...please, move away from the keyboard... How the heck did you get that from IBM deciding to preload Solaris onto IBM machines and Sun providing support for them? Matthew -- Kaiwai's Blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun hardware to disappear?!?!
Giles Turner wrote: First we get the new T2 being GPL'ed. Now it looks like we will have IBM servers preloading Solaris. http://www.physorg.com/news106499717.html Is Sun planning to leave the hardware market? Nope, of course not. Don't trust 2nd or 3rd hand news sites (btw, ElReg. is a positive exception to that rule). It's a good start to listen to the original (and actual) sources first, i.e. here, 33 minutes long: http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/media/presskits/2007-0816/index.jsp?intcmp=hp2007aug16_ibm_news_replay %m ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SATA problems on chipset VIA VT8237R (epia EK)
On Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lu, Baolu wrote: OpenSolaris does support SATA controllers, but there are some comments. I am not familiar with the VT8237R chipset, but I can share with you my experiences on Intel chipsets. On the Intel server platform, the IO Bridge (south bridge) integrates the SATA controller. The SATA controller can be set to three modes: IDE - Legacy IDE mode AHCI - Advanced Host Controller Interface RAID - SATA soft-RAID Currently, as far as I know, OpenSolaris only supports the IDE mode of the SATA controller. So set your SATA mode to IDE in the BIOS setup utility. OpenSolaris supports AHCI mode, and ICH6R and VT8251 are supposed to work perfectly. For details, please see the man page of ahci driver. Is it a new feature added in Neveda or has existed for a long time? BTW, 1. When IDE mode is set, only 4 SATA ports are available. Attach your hard drives onto the first 4 SATA ports. 2. Before installation, check the BIOS setup. Make sure your SATA hard drives are recognized by your system. Yours, Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of alessioc Sent: 2007年7月24日 22:24 To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [osol-discuss] SATA problems on chipset VIA VT8237R (epia EK) i'm trying to install osol b68 but it seems it does not recognize the hdd attached to the sata controller of my motherboard (chipset via VT8237R). is there any way to know what's going wrong? is there any way to know if this chipset is supported? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun hardware to disappear?!?!
Why would they want to leave the hardware market? Are they not turning a profit? I heard someone mention a potential buyout by IBM, this sounds more plausible than Sun leaving the hardware market...not that IBM and Sun would be a very good culture fit. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Sun hardware to disappear?!?!
Why would they want to leave the hardware market? Are they not turning a profit? I heard someone mention a potential buyout by IBM, this sounds more plausible than Sun leaving the hardware market...not that IBM and Sun would be a very good culture fit. Well I'd like to see the new Lotus Domino release *back* on Solaris for x86 again ... but a little less drama would be far more reasonable. Dennis ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Newbie here with some questions.
I am also new to solaris. Everyone thanks for sharing your knowledge and info:) www.coderewind.com Best Place to hunt for Code This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
