orion-list J.D.G. Dunn Online Seminar to open soon
(with apologies for cross posting). Just a reminder that the XTalk Sponsored Online Seminar with J.D.G. Dunn on issues raised in his paper "Jesus in Oral Memory" will begin Monday, April 23rd. Details on the Seminar may be found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/J_D_G_DunnSeminar Seminar Protocols and Rules will be found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/J_D_G_DunnSeminar/message/1 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/J_D_G_DunnSeminar/message/2 And Professor Dunn's paper is available at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/files/Articles%20for%20Review/ Participation in the Seminar is on a subscription only basis. To subscribe, send a blank e-mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I look forward to seeing you at the Seminar. Yours, Jeffrey Gibson -- Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.) 7423 N. Sheridan Road #2A Chicago, Illinois 60626 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] For private reply, e-mail to "Jeffrey B. Gibson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: "unsubscribe Orion." Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il.
Re: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim
Geoff Hudson wrote: So how does one explain the almost incidental remark about priestly Rechabites in Eusebius' history (2.23) and said to have been written by Hegesippus?: 'While they pelted him (James) with stones, one of the descendants of Rechab the son of the Rechabim -- the PRIESTLY family to which Jeremiah the Prophet bore witness, called out: Stop! what are you doing? the Righteous One is praying for you.' One explains it first by noting that you rely too heavily not on the actual text of Eusebius, but on a particular English translation of it (that of G.A. Williamson) that is contains a bias toward seeing the Rechabites as priests. More accurate, I think, is the translation of which renders the passage: Thus they were stoning him, when one of the priests of the sons of Rechab, a son of the Rechabites, spoken of by Jeremiah the prophet, cried out saying,'Cease, what are you doing? In other words, the text you refer to seems to say that while there were priests who were Rechabites, not all Recabites were -- or were even thought to be -- priests. Secondly, by noting that even IF the Rechabites were a priestly family in NT times, it does not mean they always were. The evidence for the idea of any Rechabite as priestly is late, as is the testimony that they were Levite singers, and in any case testifies to knowledge that they were NOT priestly from early on, but only came to assume this role after Rechabites who were not priests began to marry their daughters to priests. Third, by noting that Hegesippus' statement is itself suspect since Epiphanius (Heresy LXXVIII. 14) substitutes Symeon the brother of James for the Rechabite. Yours, Jeffrey Gibson -- Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.) 1500 W. Pratt Blvd. Floor 1 Chicago, Illinois 60626 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] For private reply, e-mail to Jeffrey B. Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
orion-list apologies
Apologies for sending my post on Jeremiah and alleged Rechabite priests twice. When the first version of my post did not come through in a timely fashion, I thought I had fouled something up in the address or header fields. So I sent the message again -- not realizing that by the time I sent it the second time (with an altered subject line), the first version had come through. Yours, Jeffrey Gibson -- Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.) 1500 W. Pratt Blvd. Floor 1 Chicago, Illinois 60626 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] For private reply, e-mail to Jeffrey B. Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
Re: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim
Herb Basser wrote: thanks for the citation-- i now recall george had written me about this months ago and i saw the passage but forgot about it until geoff brought it tou our attention again. I'm not sure of all the Yalkut's sources here but here is what we find: yalkut Jeremiah preserves: some say their daughters married priests and their grandchildren offered sacrifices-- this doesnt make rechabites priests at all-- lineage follows males. And if I take the some say correctly, this passage also indicates that there was some doubt that the claim itself (about daughters, etc.) is in any way reliable. If so, the peg upon which anyone might attempt to hang the thesis of a Rechabite priesthood, let alone a long established one, becomes even weaker than what you note it already is. Yours, Jeffrey Gibson -- Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.) 1500 W. Pratt Blvd. Floor 1 Chicago, Illinois 60626 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] For private reply, e-mail to Jeffrey B. Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
Re: orion-list Rechabites vs. Enochian Jews?
George Brooks wrote: Prof. Gibson writes: And if I take the some say correctly, this passage also indicates that there was some doubt that the claim itself (about daughters, etc.) is in any way reliable. REPLY: The Talmud is FULL of some say commentary. I hardly think you are in a position to unwravel the entire Talmud because of the nature of the dialogue-approach to discussion. [snip] Prof. Gibson, I know you find it easier to BLOCK my inquiries than to help explore them with me. So should I take your claim that you make above -- i.e. that my **conjecture** about the import of some say is wrong, and that the conclusion I note **may** be derived from my premise IF my premise is sound is therefore invalid -- as a blocking of my inquiry? In any case, I never made the claim that I was trying to unwravel (sic) the entire Talmud. Rather my purpose was far more modest. And that was only to raise the question of whether, if we accept a particular interpretation of its introduction, a particular text meant what you thought it meant. May I note, then, that if you were indeed interested in doing what you chastise me for supposedly not doing, namely, exploring inquiries, you would not have stopped with the bare (and unsupported) statement that the Talmud is full of the use of the phrase some say to introduce a reputedly traditional claims about persons or groups, since the fact that it is used frequently or not, has little bearing on what the phrase's **meaning function** within the Talmud was. Rather, you would have explored with me whether my conjecture about what the Rabbis **were up to** when they used that phrase -- in notable contrast to their using the one, also found frequently in the Talmud, which attributes the material being recalled to a **specific** authority (R. Jose, R. Judah, etc. ) -- had anything going for it. In other words, the issue at hand is not the frequency of the phrase in the Talmud, but its **meaning and function**. What leads you to think that the **meaning and function** of some say in the introduction to reputedly traditional claims about persons or groups is other than what I think it might me? Yours, JG -- Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.) 1500 W. Pratt Blvd. Floor 1 Chicago, Illinois 60626 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] For private reply, e-mail to Jeffrey B. Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
Re: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim
George Brooks wrote: Can anyone provide the FULL texts of BOTH citations? I'm sure it would help advance the discussion. May I politely suggest, given that it's your interest that you want to see pursued here, that you be the one to do the leg work on this one? Surely, Tampa has libraries that have the Mishnah and Talmud? JG -- Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.) 1500 W. Pratt Blvd. Floor 1 Chicago, Illinois 60626 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] For private reply, e-mail to Jeffrey B. Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
Re: orion-list Jeremiah's Eternal Priesthood, the Rechabim
George Brooks wrote: Can anyone provide the FULL texts of BOTH citations? I'm sure it would help advance the discussion. May I politely suggest, given that it's your interest that you want to see pursued here, that you be the one to do the leg work on this one? Surely, Tampa has libraries that have that Mishnah and Talmud? JG -- Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.) 1500 W. Pratt Blvd. Floor 1 Chicago, Illinois 60626 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] For private reply, e-mail to Jeffrey B. Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
orion-list Annual SBL E-Listers' Meeting
It's that time of year again when the annual Society of Biblical Literature meeting is just round the corner (Nov. 23rd-Nov. 26th) and I begin to arrange the now traditional (6th annual!) SBL meeting of NT e-listers (i.e. XTalkers, B-Greeks, and Corpus Paulinum, Kata Markon, Biblical Studies, T-C List, Orion, Ioudaios, John-Lit, and Synoptic-L members) who will be going to Toronto for the conference. The meeting itself is planned for Saturday, Nov. 23rd at 11am, as always in the Exhibition Hall at -- and with the kind indulgence of the stalwart representatives of -- the Gramcord booth in the Exhibition (this year Booth 622). It is a great opportunity to place a face to an one hitherto known only as an electronic personality and/or to renew acquaintances made at previous SBLs. As I've done in the past 5 years in arranging this meeting, I'd like to get an advance head count of those of you who are intending to attend this year's SBL. I'd also like to know who among the intended attendees is presenting a paper during the conference (and at what time and place and within what SBL group or section). So this is the first call to write me OFF LIST (at [EMAIL PROTECTED]) and let me know (a) if you will be attending; (b) if and when and under what aegis you are presenting a paper, AND (c) what you consider to be your home E-List. I'll keep everyone updated as the info comes in to me. Looking forward to seeing you in Toronto! Yours, Jeffrey Gibson -- Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.) 1500 W. Pratt Blvd. Floor 1 Chicago, Illinois 60626 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to tc-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For private reply, e-mail to Jeffrey B. Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
orion-list Annual SBL E-Listers' Meeting
It's that time of year again when the annual Society of Biblical Literature meeting is just round the corner (Nov. 23rd-Nov. 26th) and I begin to arrange the now traditional (6th annual!) SBL meeting of NT e-listers (i.e. XTalkers, B-Greeks, and Corpus Paulinum, Kata Markon, Biblical Studies, T-C List, Orion, Ioudaios, John-Lit, and Synoptic-L members) who will be going to Toronto for the conference. The meeting itself is planned for Saturday, Nov. 23rd at 11am, as always in the Exhibition Hall at -- and with the kind indulgence of the stalwart representatives of -- the Gramcord booth in the Exhibition (this year Booth 622). It is a great opportunity to place a face to an one hitherto known only as an electronic personality and/or to renew acquaintances made at previous SBLs. As I've done in the past 5 years in arranging this meeting, I'd like to get an advance head count of those of you who are intending to attend this year's SBL. I'd also like to know who among the intended attendees is presenting a paper during the conference (and at what time and place and within what SBL group or section). So this is the first call to write me OFF LIST (at [EMAIL PROTECTED]) and let me know (a) if you will be attending; (b) if and when and under what aegis you are presenting a paper, AND (c) what you consider to be your home E-List. I'll keep everyone updated as the info comes in to me. Looking forward to seeing you in Toronto! Yours, Jeffrey Gibson -- Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.) 1500 W. Pratt Blvd. Floor 1 Chicago, Illinois 60626 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] For private reply, e-mail to Jeffrey B. Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
orion-list Participants' List at Annual SBL E-Listers' Meeting
Carlson No paper XTalk Jeffrey Gibson Summarizing and discussing a paper entitled Mk. 14:38 as a Key to the Markan Audience in the Mark Group (S24-114) on Sunday, Nov. 24th, 4:00-6:30 p.m. Room CC-715A (see p. 132 in the SBL meetings book) Matt Estrada no paper Steve Black, Vancouver School of Theology no paper Gail Dawson, MTS Candidate, Virginia Theological Seminary no paper John-Lit Stan Harstine, Assistant Professor of Bible Friends University John Morris Elizabeth Danna Mary Coloe giving a paper in the Johannine Literature section on John 12:1-8 and involved in the new consulation on Johannine Jesus History. Tom Butler Armand J. Joe Gagne Jr Paul Anderson, Chair, Department of Religious Studies George Fox University presenting in the Psychology and Biblical Studies section (a revew of Michael Willett Newhart's book) and also will be seeking to get a sense of the meeting at the John, Jesus and History Consultation. Jo-Ann A. Brant, Goshen College presenting a paper on Mimesis and Ezekiel the Tragedian's Exagoge for the Ancient Fiction group on Sunday morning Michael Willett Newheart, Associate Professor of New Testament Language and Literature Howard University School of Divinity responding to reviews of his book Word and Soul: A Psychological, Literary and Cultural Reading of the Fourth Gospel in the Psychologiy and Biblical Studies Section (S25-118) Monday 4:00-6:30 at CC-713B. Biblical Studies (no attendees) T-C List J. William Johnston, Instructor of New Testament Studies Dallas Theological Seminary Philip B. Payne Linguist's Software, Inc. At the Linguists software booth Amy S Anderson Ioudiaos Robert Kraft Presenting in S25-69 NT Textual Criticism, Monday 1-3:30 CC-803A David Suter Presenting in the Pseudepigrapha Group at 1:00 on Saturday, November 7, as a part of the review of George Nickelsburg's commentary on 1 Enoch Naama Zahavi-Ely presenting a paper Turn Right or Left: Creative use of Dialect in 2 Samuel 14:19, on Tuesday morning at session S20-10A (the 9-11:30 session). Rob Kugler Kata Markon Keith Dyer, Prof. NT at Whitley College, Melbourne College of Divinity, Australia presenting a brief paper on a reading of Mark at the Bible in Ancient and Modern Media sessions Orion Edward Cook Presenting a paper entitled The Kaufman Effect in the Pseudo-Jonathan Targum Aramaic Studies S24-101 Monday 4:30-6:30 Jürgen Zangenberg, University of Wuppertal, Germany no paper This is the Third notice regarding the 6th annual SBL meeting of NT e-listers (i.e. XTalkers, B-Greeks, and Corpus Paulinum, Kata Markon, Biblical Studies, T-C List, Ioudaios, Orion, E-Matthew, John-Lit, and Synoptic-L members) who will be going to Toronto for the SBL/AAR conference (Nov. 23rd-Nov. 26th). The E-Listers' meeting itself is planned for Saturday, Nov. 23rd at 11am, as always in the Exhibition Hall at -- and with the kind indulgence of the stalwart representatives of -- the Gramcord booth in the Exhibition (this year Booth 622). It is a great opportunity to place a face to an one hitherto known only as an electronic personality and/or to renew acquaintances made at previous SBLs. As I've done in the past 5 years in arranging this meeting, I'm calling for a head count of those of you who are intending to attend this year's SBL. I'd also like to know who among the intended attendees is presenting a paper during the conference (and at what time and place and within what SBL group or section). So this is the Third Call to write me OFF LIST (at [EMAIL PROTECTED]) and let me know (a) if you will be attending; (b) if and when and under what aegis you are presenting a paper, AND (c) what you consider to be your home E-List. Remember: Reply to me about this OFF LIST Looking forward to seeing you in Toronto! -- Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.) 1500 W. Pratt Blvd. Floor 1 Chicago, Illinois 60626 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] For private reply, e-mail to Jeffrey B. Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
Re: orion-list Participants' List at Annual SBL E-Listers' Meeting
David Suter wrote: Jeffrey, The listing regarding my attendance at the SBL and presenting a review of Nickelsburg's commentary is in error: that was last year. You might want to check your list for any other such errors since I will be unable to attend this year. RRGGG. I saw that I was doing this and thought I had rectified the situation. I have no idea why I not only kept the old files but kept them tight next to the new ones. But I obviously mixed them up. I'll clear this up when I send out the last call. Yours, Jeffrey -- Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.) 1500 W. Pratt Blvd. Floor 1 Chicago, Illinois 60626 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] For private reply, e-mail to Jeffrey B. Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
Re: orion-list Participants' List at Annual SBL E-Listers' Meeting
My apologies for sending to the entire List what was intended to be an off list message. Yours, Jeffrey Gibson -- Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.) 1500 W. Pratt Blvd. Floor 1 Chicago, Illinois 60626 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] For private reply, e-mail to Jeffrey B. Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
orion-list Update -- SBL E-Lister's Meeting
.: With Jeffrey Gibson, Felix Just, S. J.et al: Studying the New Testament by Email: The Pleasures, the Pains and the Prospects for the Academic E-Lists Mark Group, Monday, 1-3.30 pm.: Mark, Elijah, the Baptist and Matthew: the Success of the First Intertextual Reading of Mark Shawn Kelly no paper but chairing Synoptic Gospels Section Lamar Cope, Carroll College No paper XTALK Jeffrey Gibson Summarizing and discussing a paper entitled Mk. 14:38 as a Key to the Markan Audience in the Mark Group (S24-114) on Sunday, Nov. 24th, 4:00-6:30 p.m. Room CC-715A (see p. 132 in the SBL meetings book) Matt Estrada no paper Steve Black, Vancouver School of Theology no paper Gail Dawson, MTS Candidate, Virginia Theological Seminary no paper JOHN-LIT Markus Anker, University of Zurich, Switzerland No Paper Bill Skelton No Paper Stan Harstine, Assistant Professor of Bible Friends University John Morris No Paper Elizabeth Danna No Paper Mary Coloe giving a paper in the Johannine Literature section on John 12:1-8 and involved in the new consulation on Johannine Jesus and History. Tom Butler No Paper Armand J. Joe Gagne Jr No Paper Paul Anderson, Chair, Department of Religious Studies George Fox University presenting in the Psychology and Biblical Studies section (a revew of Michael Willett Newhart's book) and also will be seeking to get a sense of the meeting at the John, Jesus and History Consultation. Jo-Ann A. Brant, Goshen College presenting a paper on Mimesis and Ezekiel the Tragedian's Exagoge for the Ancient Fiction group on Sunday morning Michael Willett Newheart, Associate Professor of New Testament Language and Literature Howard University School of Divinity responding to reviews of his book _Word and Soul: A Psychological, Literary and Cultural Reading of the Fourth Gospel_ in the Psychology and Biblical Studies Section (S25-118) Monday 4:00-6:30 at CC-713B. Charles Ray, Research Doctoral Programs New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary No Paper BIBLICAL STUDIES (no attendees) T-C LIST J. William Johnston, Instructor of New Testament Studies Dallas Theological Seminary No Paper Philip B. Payne (Linguist's Software, Inc.) -- at the Linguists software booth No Paper Amy S Anderson No Paper IOUDAIOS Jim Davila, St. Mary's College, University of St. Andrews Participating in the PSCO panel discussion on parabiblical literature, Friday evening. His book, _Descenders to the Chariot_, is being reviewed in the Mysticism Group on Sunday morning (S24-10) Liz Fried No Paper Robert Kraft Presenting in S25-69 NT Textual Criticism, Monday 1-3:30 CC-803A Naama Zahavi-Ely presenting a paper Turn Right or Left: Creative use of Dialect in 2 Samuel 14:19 on Tuesday morning at session S20-10A (the 9-11:30 session). KATA MARKON Keith Dyer, Prof. NT at Whitley College, Melbourne College of Divinity, Australia presenting a brief paper on a reading of Mark at the Bible in Ancient and Modern Media sessions Jeffrey Gibson (for papers, see above in XTalk Corpus Paulinum Groups) ORION Edward Cook Presenting a paper entitled The Kaufman Effect in the Pseudo-Jonathan Targum Aramaic Studies S24-101 Monday 4:30-6:30 Jürgen Zangenberg, University of Wuppertal, Germany No paper Rob Kugler Presenting a paper entitled The Testing of Jesus in the Wilderness (Mark 1:12-13): Hearing the Account With Mark's Audience on Tuesday morning, 9:00 am, in the Scripture in Early Judaism and Christianity Section. *** -- Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.) 1500 W. Pratt Blvd. Floor 1 Chicago, Illinois 60626 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] For private reply, e-mail to Jeffrey B. Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
Re: orion-list MORE IMPORTANT NEWS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An alternative option is to leave the list open and unmoderated (as some of you have suggested), but I am absolutley terrified at the potential havoc this would cause. havoc is an understatement. but i wish the list would continue- for if it doesn't the vacuum will be filled by a less worthy and less learned group or individual and then more misinformation will spread. Are there no DSS experts on the List who are interested in taking on the task of moderating? Yours, Jeffrey Gibson -- Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.) 1500 W. Pratt Blvd. Floor 1 Chicago, Illinois 60626 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] For private reply, e-mail to Jeffrey B. Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from Orion, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: unsubscribe Orion. Archives are on the Orion Web site, http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il. (PLEASE REMOVE THIS TRAILOR BEFORE REPLYING TO THE MESSAGE)
