Re: [osdcmy] Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3
hi all, Firstly, I apologise for coming into this late, have not been following OSDC list much lately, work... then Red1 pulled me into this. So gathering some facts from above, here is my rant. 1. Centralized IT Need to rethink, centralization offers benefits like economies of scale, standardisation, leveraging/creating pools of expertise (building ecosystems)... But this has got to be different from the mainframe era, with big vendors, technology lock-in, proprietry standards and hardware... What the 'New Centralization' should be; it should leverage the latest technology, cloud based computing, ubiqious mobile devices, prevalent broadband internet. Why? Centralising computing much as you would cemtralise utillities, like water, power etc... Such utillities are considered infrastructure, essential for economic development. Much as our current current economic strength was due to the foresight of earlier government to spend on developing the physical infrastructue of roads, ports, power, water... which in turn attracted DFI (direct foreign investment) which inturn led to our economic prosperity. That was phase 1, which was essentially emphasizing on 'hardware' or physical infra. Phase 2: is about building 'Knowledge based' economy. The enablers for that is ICT infra, that would allow knowledge and services to 'flow' just as roads and ports allowed physical goods to flow. Hence computing resources - as represented by cloud-computing, broadband (wireless) telecommunications, mobile devices are the way to go. These, are still 'hard' infra, easy to build, just spend money and do a bit of planning. The development of the 'soft-assets' is more difficult, it includes fixing Education, and devloping ecosystems of IT expertise, SW development, mobile solutions, cloud-computer admins, network security... Then you need domain experts.. Easily available infra - leads to innovation A prominent Silicon Valley VC, in a talk, mentioned the low-cost of computing leads to the rapid growth of innovation and new start-up companies. He specifically mentioned the low-cost of PC/laptops and zero-cost of FOSS. But to deploy and beta-test a product, hosting costs are still high, particularly in Malaysia. Lowering hosting costs via cloud based infra, would lower costs further, leverage efficiencies for wider systems deployment and allow many more innovators to participate. Start-ups/innovators can quickly cheaply develop, test, deploy their prodctt. Cheaper startup costs allow more people to participate. There will be a faster cycle, from conception to success/failure. This leads to a more efficient Darwinian evolution, weeding out the weak, quickly. (note: failure itself is not a bad thing, it teaches valuable lessons that lead to success) Thus you build a healthy eco-system. How this will help government? -- I'll use a 'scenario' to illustrate: Min. of Health (it could be any other..) has a 'cloud' infra, based on OSS (e.g. OpenStack) and wants to explore some new solutions, computerization of the rapidly expanding 1Malaysa clinics... They put out a RFP with the following terms: - must use FOSS - code that's implemented/deployed must be open-sourced (not free, and IP rights belong to respective developers) - based on open API and standards, (for security and auhorization, for data storage for data interchange, medical standars...) - MOH to define the standards to use, requiremnts specs, performance specs, etc... They should not define tools, ie: what DB, what language... - teams that accept the RFP, to put up a beta/prototype on a server - infra will be provided, development servers/tools, test servers - all based on MOH-cloud (a small fee may be paid to development teams, or it can be made into a competition. 200-300k for such a fee for a few million $ project is not unreasonble. A junket trip arranged by vendors to 'tour' overseas facilities would easily cost 100k plus! Which the vendor already built into the final purchase price! ) What are the benefits: -- - create/breed a rich ecosystem of developers/innovators based on merits and capability - open competition, many teams compete - MOH gets to test and evaluate various products and picks the ones that are most suitable and works. - MOH can even 'mix-match' modules from the different competing teams. Because everything is based on open standards, tools. ie: Not difficult to port PHP/mySQL app to Python/Postgres and vv. Or buld a higher level layer that consolidates data into a big centralised database, for centralise reference OLTP and reporting, letting the invidual apps' DB handle transactional needs. (A cost model will have to be determined for the
Re: [osdcmy] Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3
welcome back, boh! glad to see your replies again..I mean it :P Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:12:26 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3 hi all, Firstly, I apologise for coming into this late, have not been following OSDC list much lately, work... then Red1 pulled me into this. So gathering some facts from above, here is my rant. 1. Centralized IT Need to rethink, centralization offers benefits like economies of scale, standardisation, leveraging/creating pools of expertise (building ecosystems)... But this has got to be different from the mainframe era, with big vendors, technology lock-in, proprietry standards and hardware... What the 'New Centralization' should be; it should leverage the latest technology, cloud based computing, ubiqious mobile devices, prevalent broadband internet. Why? Centralising computing much as you would cemtralise utillities, like water, power etc... Such utillities are considered infrastructure, essential for economic development. Much as our current current economic strength was due to the foresight of earlier government to spend on developing the physical infrastructue of roads, ports, power, water... which in turn attracted DFI (direct foreign investment) which inturn led to our economic prosperity. That was phase 1, which was essentially emphasizing on 'hardware' or physical infra. Phase 2: is about building 'Knowledge based' economy. The enablers for that is ICT infra, that would allow knowledge and services to 'flow' just as roads and ports allowed physical goods to flow. Hence computing resources - as represented by cloud-computing, broadband (wireless) telecommunications, mobile devices are the way to go. These, are still 'hard' infra, easy to build, just spend money and do a bit of planning. The development of the 'soft-assets' is more difficult, it includes fixing Education, and devloping ecosystems of IT expertise, SW development, mobile solutions, cloud-computer admins, network security... Then you need domain experts.. Easily available infra - leads to innovation A prominent Silicon Valley VC, in a talk, mentioned the low-cost of computing leads to the rapid growth of innovation and new start-up companies. He specifically mentioned the low-cost of PC/laptops and zero-cost of FOSS. But to deploy and beta-test a product, hosting costs are still high, particularly in Malaysia. Lowering hosting costs via cloud based infra, would lower costs further, leverage efficiencies for wider systems deployment and allow many more innovators to participate. Start-ups/innovators can quickly cheaply develop, test, deploy their prodctt. Cheaper startup costs allow more people to participate. There will be a faster cycle, from conception to success/failure. This leads to a more efficient Darwinian evolution, weeding out the weak, quickly. (note: failure itself is not a bad thing, it teaches valuable lessons that lead to success) Thus you build a healthy eco-system. How this will help government? -- I'll use a 'scenario' to illustrate: Min. of Health (it could be any other..) has a 'cloud' infra, based on OSS (e.g. OpenStack) and wants to explore some new solutions, computerization of the rapidly expanding 1Malaysa clinics... They put out a RFP with the following terms: - must use FOSS - code that's implemented/deployed must be open-sourced (not free, and IP rights belong to respective developers) - based on open API and standards, (for security and auhorization, for data storage for data interchange, medical standars...) - MOH to define the standards to use, requiremnts specs, performance specs, etc... They should not define tools, ie: what DB, what language... - teams that accept the RFP, to put up a beta/prototype on a server - infra will be provided, development servers/tools, test servers - all based on MOH-cloud (a small fee may be paid to development teams, or it can be made into a competition. 200-300k for such a fee for a few million $ project is not unreasonble. A junket trip arranged by vendors to 'tour' overseas facilities would easily cost 100k plus! Which the vendor already built into the final purchase price! ) What are the benefits: -- - create/breed a rich ecosystem of developers/innovators based on merits and capability - open competition, many teams compete - MOH gets to test and evaluate various products and picks the ones that are most
Re: [osdcmy] Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3
boh has a point. will centralisation of ict officers also mean centralisation of services and of ict budgets ? On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:01 AM, jipangmenje...@gmail.com wrote: welcome back, boh! glad to see your replies again..I mean it :P Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile. -Original Message- From: Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com Sender: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:12:26 To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Reply-To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [osdcmy] Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3 hi all, Firstly, I apologise for coming into this late, have not been following OSDC list much lately, work... then Red1 pulled me into this. So gathering some facts from above, here is my rant. 1. Centralized IT Need to rethink, centralization offers benefits like economies of scale, standardisation, leveraging/creating pools of expertise (building ecosystems)... But this has got to be different from the mainframe era, with big vendors, technology lock-in, proprietry standards and hardware... What the 'New Centralization' should be; it should leverage the latest technology, cloud based computing, ubiqious mobile devices, prevalent broadband internet. Why? Centralising computing much as you would cemtralise utillities, like water, power etc... Such utillities are considered infrastructure, essential for economic development. Much as our current current economic strength was due to the foresight of earlier government to spend on developing the physical infrastructue of roads, ports, power, water... which in turn attracted DFI (direct foreign investment) which inturn led to our economic prosperity. That was phase 1, which was essentially emphasizing on 'hardware' or physical infra. Phase 2: is about building 'Knowledge based' economy. The enablers for that is ICT infra, that would allow knowledge and services to 'flow' just as roads and ports allowed physical goods to flow. Hence computing resources - as represented by cloud-computing, broadband (wireless) telecommunications, mobile devices are the way to go. These, are still 'hard' infra, easy to build, just spend money and do a bit of planning. The development of the 'soft-assets' is more difficult, it includes fixing Education, and devloping ecosystems of IT expertise, SW development, mobile solutions, cloud-computer admins, network security... Then you need domain experts.. Easily available infra - leads to innovation A prominent Silicon Valley VC, in a talk, mentioned the low-cost of computing leads to the rapid growth of innovation and new start-up companies. He specifically mentioned the low-cost of PC/laptops and zero-cost of FOSS. But to deploy and beta-test a product, hosting costs are still high, particularly in Malaysia. Lowering hosting costs via cloud based infra, would lower costs further, leverage efficiencies for wider systems deployment and allow many more innovators to participate. Start-ups/innovators can quickly cheaply develop, test, deploy their prodctt. Cheaper startup costs allow more people to participate. There will be a faster cycle, from conception to success/failure. This leads to a more efficient Darwinian evolution, weeding out the weak, quickly. (note: failure itself is not a bad thing, it teaches valuable lessons that lead to success) Thus you build a healthy eco-system. How this will help government? -- I'll use a 'scenario' to illustrate: Min. of Health (it could be any other..) has a 'cloud' infra, based on OSS (e.g. OpenStack) and wants to explore some new solutions, computerization of the rapidly expanding 1Malaysa clinics... They put out a RFP with the following terms: - must use FOSS - code that's implemented/deployed must be open-sourced (not free, and IP rights belong to respective developers) - based on open API and standards, (for security and auhorization, for data storage for data interchange, medical standars...) - MOH to define the standards to use, requiremnts specs, performance specs, etc... They should not define tools, ie: what DB, what language... - teams that accept the RFP, to put up a beta/prototype on a server - infra will be provided, development servers/tools, test servers - all based on MOH-cloud (a small fee may be paid to development teams, or it can be made into a competition. 200-300k for such a fee for a few million $ project is not unreasonble. A junket trip arranged by vendors to 'tour' overseas facilities would easily cost 100k plus! Which the vendor already built into the final purchase price! ) What are the benefits
Re: [osdcmy] Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3
I like the infra part. Many of us are 'researchers' who just dont have big enough pocket. If only there's some kind of 'public campus' for us to use without having breaking arms and legs. For instance I'm particularly interested to test and expand some ideas on immunological cloud infra (since Boh uses health as example). On Jul 31, 2012 6:12 PM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote: hi all, Firstly, I apologise for coming into this late, have not been following OSDC list much lately, work... then Red1 pulled me into this. So gathering some facts from above, here is my rant. 1. Centralized IT Need to rethink, centralization offers benefits like economies of scale, standardisation, leveraging/creating pools of expertise (building ecosystems)... But this has got to be different from the mainframe era, with big vendors, technology lock-in, proprietry standards and hardware... What the 'New Centralization' should be; it should leverage the latest technology, cloud based computing, ubiqious mobile devices, prevalent broadband internet. Why? Centralising computing much as you would cemtralise utillities, like water, power etc... Such utillities are considered infrastructure, essential for economic development. Much as our current current economic strength was due to the foresight of earlier government to spend on developing the physical infrastructue of roads, ports, power, water... which in turn attracted DFI (direct foreign investment) which inturn led to our economic prosperity. That was phase 1, which was essentially emphasizing on 'hardware' or physical infra. Phase 2: is about building 'Knowledge based' economy. The enablers for that is ICT infra, that would allow knowledge and services to 'flow' just as roads and ports allowed physical goods to flow. Hence computing resources - as represented by cloud-computing, broadband (wireless) telecommunications, mobile devices are the way to go. These, are still 'hard' infra, easy to build, just spend money and do a bit of planning. The development of the 'soft-assets' is more difficult, it includes fixing Education, and devloping ecosystems of IT expertise, SW development, mobile solutions, cloud-computer admins, network security... Then you need domain experts.. Easily available infra - leads to innovation A prominent Silicon Valley VC, in a talk, mentioned the low-cost of computing leads to the rapid growth of innovation and new start-up companies. He specifically mentioned the low-cost of PC/laptops and zero-cost of FOSS. But to deploy and beta-test a product, hosting costs are still high, particularly in Malaysia. Lowering hosting costs via cloud based infra, would lower costs further, leverage efficiencies for wider systems deployment and allow many more innovators to participate. Start-ups/innovators can quickly cheaply develop, test, deploy their prodctt. Cheaper startup costs allow more people to participate. There will be a faster cycle, from conception to success/failure. This leads to a more efficient Darwinian evolution, weeding out the weak, quickly. (note: failure itself is not a bad thing, it teaches valuable lessons that lead to success) Thus you build a healthy eco-system. How this will help government? -- I'll use a 'scenario' to illustrate: Min. of Health (it could be any other..) has a 'cloud' infra, based on OSS (e.g. OpenStack) and wants to explore some new solutions, computerization of the rapidly expanding 1Malaysa clinics... They put out a RFP with the following terms: - must use FOSS - code that's implemented/deployed must be open-sourced (not free, and IP rights belong to respective developers) - based on open API and standards, (for security and auhorization, for data storage for data interchange, medical standars...) - MOH to define the standards to use, requiremnts specs, performance specs, etc... They should not define tools, ie: what DB, what language... - teams that accept the RFP, to put up a beta/prototype on a server - infra will be provided, development servers/tools, test servers - all based on MOH-cloud (a small fee may be paid to development teams, or it can be made into a competition. 200-300k for such a fee for a few million $ project is not unreasonble. A junket trip arranged by vendors to 'tour' overseas facilities would easily cost 100k plus! Which the vendor already built into the final purchase price! ) What are the benefits: -- - create/breed a rich ecosystem of developers/innovators based on merits and capability - open competition, many teams compete - MOH gets to test and evaluate various products and picks the ones that are most suitable and works. - MOH can even
[osdcmy] Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3
Ok boss.. though i am just a messenger who always get shot. Terima kasih atas nasihat ini. Saya diam-diamlah sekarang. On 7/31/12 10:41 AM, Abu Mansur wrote: Brother Red1, timing is everything. We will not achieve anything in random rants you know. Don't spray all your bullets at random (also we need to get invited again and again so we have more info). I am discussing with Hassan about some possible agendas using the OSCC that we will discuss in the group here. Just wanted to get some structure otherwise the con/skype call will be messy. In Sales we have a saying (you are selling something), sales is a process, when it is not a process, then it is a problem. We need to map an action plan with doable milestones. Hope SIG members can take up components of the tasks ahead so it doesn't end up on one person, sort of like a gotong royong thing... Some of my agenda that I have discussed with some of you:- The Open Development Model in Government Procurement for software ie projects evolve with OSS license and development process from the very beginning. When actual tender comes out, marks will be given to based on Vendors participation for initial phase. Winning vendor becomes major project sponsor. Recruitment by vendor for developers is also easier as you can see who are the main developers contributing to the project. Less possibilities of lemons (Eg Kastam GST like last time) The other one is software development on top of SELINUX for government software (I am presenting to govt CIO this coming 10th) to move to more serious stuff in OSS. If we can tie in with activity one of the above and incorporate academic faculty members and students in the development we can kill two, nay even three birds with one stone. The government can really be a catalyst for our software industry by providing a fertile ground for some serious software development through these projects. More thoughts later (everyone else feel free to rant here) as I am rushing to send my first draft to MAMPU... On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Redhuan r...@adempiere.org wrote: I think we should brainstorm more often together (while blasting away on four pistons) as i do not think our pitch yesterday sinks in or far. It is better we make a proper presentation as a powerful think tank collectively, to the right office such as KSU and then PM, and collect momentos of 'skull tatoos' along the way. I like to share what a friend working somewhere up in KLCC Towers who wrote to me a moment ago: Nor Bahgia B M Nordin: "I think anything creative futuristic or game changing breakthrough spearheaded by government servants will fail due to their multiple KPI mentality, and other restrictions. Entreprenurs/Technopreneurs/Scientist have a ‘no-choice’ ‘do-or-die’ situation, which drives them to do the impossible. It’s a intense single minded focus. Jobs, Gates, Page and the rest never wasted their time with the government types. They just went ahead and did what they were supposed to do regardless. I can tell you this. The road-maps will just collect dust again." -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
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Err, I you don't have to be too quiet... ;-) On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:05 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: ** Ok boss.. though i am just a messenger who always get shot. Terima kasih atas nasihat ini. Saya diam-diamlah sekarang. On 7/31/12 10:41 AM, Abu Mansur wrote: Brother Red1, timing is everything. We will not achieve anything in random rants you know. Don't spray all your bullets at random (also we need to get invited again and again so we have more info). I am discussing with Hassan about some possible agendas using the OSCC that we will discuss in the group here. Just wanted to get some structure otherwise the con/skype call will be messy. In Sales we have a saying (you are selling something), sales is a process, when it is not a process, then it is a problem. We need to map an action plan with doable milestones. Hope SIG members can take up components of the tasks ahead so it doesn't end up on one person, sort of like a gotong royong thing... Some of my agenda that I have discussed with some of you:- The Open Development Model in Government Procurement for software ie projects evolve with OSS license and development process from the very beginning. When actual tender comes out, marks will be given to based on Vendors participation for initial phase. Winning vendor becomes major project sponsor. Recruitment by vendor for developers is also easier as you can see who are the main developers contributing to the project. Less possibilities of lemons (Eg Kastam GST like last time) The other one is software development on top of SELINUX for government software (I am presenting to govt CIO this coming 10th) to move to more serious stuff in OSS. If we can tie in with activity one of the above and incorporate academic faculty members and students in the development we can kill two, nay even three birds with one stone. The government can really be a catalyst for our software industry by providing a fertile ground for some serious software development through these projects. More thoughts later (everyone else feel free to rant here) as I am rushing to send my first draft to MAMPU... On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Redhuan r...@adempiere.org wrote: I think we should brainstorm more often together (while blasting away on four pistons) as i do not think our pitch yesterday sinks in or far. It is better we make a proper presentation as a powerful think tank collectively, to the right office such as KSU and then PM, and collect momentos of 'skull tatoos' along the way. I like to share what a friend working somewhere up in KLCC Towers who wrote to me a moment ago: Nor Bahgia B M Nordin: I think anything creative futuristic or game changing breakthrough spearheaded by government servants will fail due to their multiple KPI mentality, and other restrictions. Entreprenurs/Technopreneurs/Scientist have a ‘no-choice’ ‘do-or-die’ situation, which drives them to do the impossible. It’s a intense single minded focus. Jobs, Gates, Page and the rest never wasted their time with the government types. They just went ahead and did what they were supposed to do regardless. I can tell you this. The road-maps will just collect dust again. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- Abu Mansur http://amansur.blogspot.com man...@persis.biz -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
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Hi all, A news from government IT agencies, we are in the middle of proposing what Dr M told us back 16 years ago about IT Centralization in government or IT Governance. Proposal/Paper has been done and being submitted to JPA (Public Service Department), and a few bengkel and meeting will be conducted as a process to be a Department as what Jabatan Peguam Negara or Jabatan Kerja Raja does. InsyaAllah, perhaps IT will be exist under one roof, that we call it Jabatan ICT Negara and for brother Red1 and brother Abu Mansur, hope you can have some information regarding this matter when approaching MAMPU. I don't have any significant idea what will happen when such bill or any proposal will affect us because I think everyone in the government agreed with the BPCM, even though myself personally don't agree with that idea. Regards On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Abu Mansur rajamu...@gmail.com wrote: Err, I you don't have to be too quiet... ;-) On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:05 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: ** Ok boss.. though i am just a messenger who always get shot. Terima kasih atas nasihat ini. Saya diam-diamlah sekarang. On 7/31/12 10:41 AM, Abu Mansur wrote: Brother Red1, timing is everything. We will not achieve anything in random rants you know. Don't spray all your bullets at random (also we need to get invited again and again so we have more info). I am discussing with Hassan about some possible agendas using the OSCC that we will discuss in the group here. Just wanted to get some structure otherwise the con/skype call will be messy. In Sales we have a saying (you are selling something), sales is a process, when it is not a process, then it is a problem. We need to map an action plan with doable milestones. Hope SIG members can take up components of the tasks ahead so it doesn't end up on one person, sort of like a gotong royong thing... Some of my agenda that I have discussed with some of you:- The Open Development Model in Government Procurement for software ie projects evolve with OSS license and development process from the very beginning. When actual tender comes out, marks will be given to based on Vendors participation for initial phase. Winning vendor becomes major project sponsor. Recruitment by vendor for developers is also easier as you can see who are the main developers contributing to the project. Less possibilities of lemons (Eg Kastam GST like last time) The other one is software development on top of SELINUX for government software (I am presenting to govt CIO this coming 10th) to move to more serious stuff in OSS. If we can tie in with activity one of the above and incorporate academic faculty members and students in the development we can kill two, nay even three birds with one stone. The government can really be a catalyst for our software industry by providing a fertile ground for some serious software development through these projects. More thoughts later (everyone else feel free to rant here) as I am rushing to send my first draft to MAMPU... On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Redhuan r...@adempiere.org wrote: I think we should brainstorm more often together (while blasting away on four pistons) as i do not think our pitch yesterday sinks in or far. It is better we make a proper presentation as a powerful think tank collectively, to the right office such as KSU and then PM, and collect momentos of 'skull tatoos' along the way. I like to share what a friend working somewhere up in KLCC Towers who wrote to me a moment ago: Nor Bahgia B M Nordin: I think anything creative futuristic or game changing breakthrough spearheaded by government servants will fail due to their multiple KPI mentality, and other restrictions. Entreprenurs/Technopreneurs/Scientist have a ‘no-choice’ ‘do-or-die’ situation, which drives them to do the impossible. It’s a intense single minded focus. Jobs, Gates, Page and the rest never wasted their time with the government types. They just went ahead and did what they were supposed to do regardless. I can tell you this. The road-maps will just collect dust again. -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- Abu Mansur http://amansur.blogspot.com man...@persis.biz -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- تاﺟﻮﻝ أزﺣﺮ بـﻴـن ﻣﺤﻤﺪ تاﺟﻮﻝ أﺭﻳﻔﻴﻦ http://www.facebook.com/tajul.azhar http://sixthselamat.blogspot.com FreeBeastie, Free and Freedom -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group
