Re: [osg-users] Histroy Buffer Implementation / Suggestion
Thanks for the tip Adrian but so far I'am facing problems with PSSM . I get the following output : RenderStage::runCameraSetUp(), FBO setup failed, FBO status= 0x8cdd Warning: FrameBufferObject: could not create the FBO RenderStage::runCameraSetUp(), FBO setup failed, FBO status= 0x0 Warning: FrameBufferObject: could not create the FBO RenderStage::runCameraSetUp(), FBO setup failed, FBO status= 0x0 FRAGMENT glCompileShader FAILED glLinkProgram FAILED I don't know why. I have tested FBO support with osgprerender --hdr --fbo cow.osg and it works. On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Adrian Egli OpenSceneGraph (3D) 3dh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all You should use lispsm or pssm shadow : even for terrain this gives nice looking shadows (with pssm you can limit the max far distance, use this say 250m, and you will get nice shadows) but once we have the latest idea implemented, the shadow quality gets much better, this would be of sure true, but may the performance will be very bad. so i am looking for high performance and robust technic. I don't really like to implement this with osgPPU, because of the problem robert told (see submission discussion) not tha osgPPU is bad, but it would better be nicely integrated into osg and osgShadow, not only for osgShadow and its quality the histroy buffer could have high impact, also for others shaders. Then for the default shader in openscenegraph may we should think to redesign them, because actually we have shaders in shadow, ... , but each of the re-writes the very basics, may we could think about of GLSL shader modules, code modules then we can put them together, this would be greate. i have some idea how this could be solved. but i have to think about more of this idea. /adrian 2009/2/1 Simon Loic simon1l...@gmail.com It would be very interested to see the resulting shadows of this method in osg. I'am currently using the basic shadow technic and the rendering is so aliased! Maybe I'am not using it in the right way. On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Art Tevs stud_in...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi Adrian, for all 2D effects there exists already a pipeline with couple of examples (gauss blurr, depth of field, hdr and so on), however you maybe have heard about it already. Take a look into osgPPU. I took a small look into the paper and saw that the main method is just to combine N previous images in some sense together to achieve nice results. As you said, using the history buffer. Using pure osg components, one could for example setup N cameras with corresponding textures and switch them framewise. Then current rendering camera use the input of other N-1 cameras to produce its new output. Using osgPPU, I would suggest to implement new class UnitHistoryBuffer, which will do this trick, by collecting the inputs in some buffer, e.g. 3D texture or 2D texture array. Output of this unit can then be combined with current rendering camera in the way as described in the paper. This shouldn't be a big trick, yeah, maybe I can do this for the upcoming v0.4 release ;) I am wonder if one could use this technique for some sreen space effects, not only for motionblur, but also for optical flow detection or something similar ??? Maybe for something like hybrid ray tracing approach, where some kind of heuristic function could use this information to retrace only neccessary rays. cheers, art -- Read this topic online here: http://osgforum.tevs.eu/viewtopic.php?p=5545#5545 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org -- Loïc Simon ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org -- Adrian Egli ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org -- Loïc Simon ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Histroy Buffer Implementation / Suggestion
Hello all You should use lispsm or pssm shadow : even for terrain this gives nice looking shadows (with pssm you can limit the max far distance, use this say 250m, and you will get nice shadows) but once we have the latest idea implemented, the shadow quality gets much better, this would be of sure true, but may the performance will be very bad. so i am looking for high performance and robust technic. I don't really like to implement this with osgPPU, because of the problem robert told (see submission discussion) not tha osgPPU is bad, but it would better be nicely integrated into osg and osgShadow, not only for osgShadow and its quality the histroy buffer could have high impact, also for others shaders. Then for the default shader in openscenegraph may we should think to redesign them, because actually we have shaders in shadow, ... , but each of the re-writes the very basics, may we could think about of GLSL shader modules, code modules then we can put them together, this would be greate. i have some idea how this could be solved. but i have to think about more of this idea. /adrian 2009/2/1 Simon Loic simon1l...@gmail.com It would be very interested to see the resulting shadows of this method in osg. I'am currently using the basic shadow technic and the rendering is so aliased! Maybe I'am not using it in the right way. On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Art Tevs stud_in...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi Adrian, for all 2D effects there exists already a pipeline with couple of examples (gauss blurr, depth of field, hdr and so on), however you maybe have heard about it already. Take a look into osgPPU. I took a small look into the paper and saw that the main method is just to combine N previous images in some sense together to achieve nice results. As you said, using the history buffer. Using pure osg components, one could for example setup N cameras with corresponding textures and switch them framewise. Then current rendering camera use the input of other N-1 cameras to produce its new output. Using osgPPU, I would suggest to implement new class UnitHistoryBuffer, which will do this trick, by collecting the inputs in some buffer, e.g. 3D texture or 2D texture array. Output of this unit can then be combined with current rendering camera in the way as described in the paper. This shouldn't be a big trick, yeah, maybe I can do this for the upcoming v0.4 release ;) I am wonder if one could use this technique for some sreen space effects, not only for motionblur, but also for optical flow detection or something similar ??? Maybe for something like hybrid ray tracing approach, where some kind of heuristic function could use this information to retrace only neccessary rays. cheers, art -- Read this topic online here: http://osgforum.tevs.eu/viewtopic.php?p=5545#5545 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org -- Loïc Simon ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org -- Adrian Egli ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Histroy Buffer Implementation / Suggestion
It would be very interested to see the resulting shadows of this method in osg. I'am currently using the basic shadow technic and the rendering is so aliased! Maybe I'am not using it in the right way. On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Art Tevs stud_in...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi Adrian, for all 2D effects there exists already a pipeline with couple of examples (gauss blurr, depth of field, hdr and so on), however you maybe have heard about it already. Take a look into osgPPU. I took a small look into the paper and saw that the main method is just to combine N previous images in some sense together to achieve nice results. As you said, using the history buffer. Using pure osg components, one could for example setup N cameras with corresponding textures and switch them framewise. Then current rendering camera use the input of other N-1 cameras to produce its new output. Using osgPPU, I would suggest to implement new class UnitHistoryBuffer, which will do this trick, by collecting the inputs in some buffer, e.g. 3D texture or 2D texture array. Output of this unit can then be combined with current rendering camera in the way as described in the paper. This shouldn't be a big trick, yeah, maybe I can do this for the upcoming v0.4 release ;) I am wonder if one could use this technique for some sreen space effects, not only for motionblur, but also for optical flow detection or something similar ??? Maybe for something like hybrid ray tracing approach, where some kind of heuristic function could use this information to retrace only neccessary rays. cheers, art -- Read this topic online here: http://osgforum.tevs.eu/viewtopic.php?p=5545#5545 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org -- Loïc Simon ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
[osg-users] Histroy Buffer Implementation / Suggestion
Hi all, i would like to start with a very new technology for anti-aliasing / shadow quality increase based on history buffer technique, http://www.cg.tuwien.ac.at/research/publications/2007/Scherzer-2007-PCS/ How should i implement this with pure openscenegraph concepts, and what is important for the future with such a base technology. Just start with an new example, and once we have it - porting? Or is there still a concept how we can implement such features, event gauss blur filter could be implement as a 2D engine pipeline (ITK Filters like :-) ) may this would be greate for special effects, aa and so on /adrian -- Adrian Egli ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Histroy Buffer Implementation / Suggestion
Hi Adrian, for all 2D effects there exists already a pipeline with couple of examples (gauss blurr, depth of field, hdr and so on), however you maybe have heard about it already. Take a look into osgPPU. I took a small look into the paper and saw that the main method is just to combine N previous images in some sense together to achieve nice results. As you said, using the history buffer. Using pure osg components, one could for example setup N cameras with corresponding textures and switch them framewise. Then current rendering camera use the input of other N-1 cameras to produce its new output. Using osgPPU, I would suggest to implement new class UnitHistoryBuffer, which will do this trick, by collecting the inputs in some buffer, e.g. 3D texture or 2D texture array. Output of this unit can then be combined with current rendering camera in the way as described in the paper. This shouldn't be a big trick, yeah, maybe I can do this for the upcoming v0.4 release ;) I am wonder if one could use this technique for some sreen space effects, not only for motionblur, but also for optical flow detection or something similar ??? Maybe for something like hybrid ray tracing approach, where some kind of heuristic function could use this information to retrace only neccessary rays. cheers, art -- Read this topic online here: http://osgforum.tevs.eu/viewtopic.php?p=5545#5545 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
