Re: [osg-users] [forum] All Forum Users, PLEASE READ IT!
Hi everyone, specifically forum managers! I am new in forum once I have been doing my baby steps with OSG. I have been trying to solve a problem I am facing within an application I'm developing but since I couldn't find any solution I though it might be a good opportunity to start my activity here, in forum. I have read the conditions of approval as a recognized member, concerning about real names, and I think I am fulfilling all the requirements though I'm still not seeing my posts and topics approved. I would really know what I am doing wrong so I can be able to have some activity in forum. Grateful for any clarification! Cheers, Jorge d'Alpuim -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=48751#48751 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] [forum] All Forum Users, PLEASE READ IT!
I think there should be a new thread where new members can introduce themselves. If there is any as such, I can't find it. -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=43839#43839 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] [forum] All Forum Users, PLEASE READ IT!
Hi you all. This is directly to forum managers (Robert and son on). I just arrived to this community, but I have my real data in here. However, my real first name is often misspelled or read by foreigners (Agostinho) so I got used to being known for a short abbreviation of my *real* name, which is much simpler, I like it, and most people like it too, specially non Portuguese people like most of you. :-) The short name is Agos. I would like to use it here too. But will that be possible, whilst conforming to your forum rules? I think it should... Thank you! Cheers, Agos -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=22519#22519 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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HI Agos, On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Agostinho Silva agos...@gmail.com wrote: The short name is Agos. I would like to use it here too. But will that be possible, whilst conforming to your forum rules? Yes that's fine. The aim on the naming policy is to instill a friendly discourse amongst the community by encouraging use of human names rather than user id's that resemble random number generators or are deliberately abrasive. Cheers, Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] [forum] All Forum Users, PLEASE READ IT!
Hi Agos, We can change your name from Agostinho Silva to Agos Silva, if you like so. However we can not just remove the last part of your name, because we should stay fair in respect to other people. The main reason, why everybody is asked to have both names, is that this forum is connected to the mailing list. Forum came almost 10 years after the mailing list, so the most community members were/are concentrated around the mailing list. The main contributors and authors of OSG are also prefer to use mailing list except of the forum. Usually the communication in the mailing list is done through mail clients, which are set up to put realname in the from header. So the community is used to know both names of a person who is acting on the list. Forum introduced some kind of anonymity (nicknames except of real names) which was not that well accepted in the community. Hence we decided to force every forum user to follow the same netiquette rules as established over the last years during the mailing list age. I hope you and other people will understand that. best regards Art -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=22525#22525 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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Hi Robert, I don't agree with that. Maybe you remember the discussion half year ago about using of the nicknames or first name parts only in the forum. The finally decision was to force every user to have both parts of the name in his profile. If user wished to have some kind of anonymity, he could use any pseudonym which sounds plausible except of his real name. So it is ok to change the first name from a longer version to some shorter one. However it is still not ok to just to use the first part of the name. Or if we allow it for one user, then we have to allow it for everybody, otherwise it is unfair in respect to others. cheers, art Yes that's fine. The aim on the naming policy is to instill a friendly discourse amongst the community by encouraging use of human names rather than user id's that resemble random number generators or are deliberately abrasive. -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=22526#22526 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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Hi Art, On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Art Tevs arti_t...@yahoo.de wrote: So it is ok to change the first name from a longer version to some shorter one. However it is still not ok to just to use the first part of the name. Or if we allow it for one user, then we have to allow it for everybody, otherwise it is unfair in respect to others. Perhaps a mis-understanding... I was OK'ing the use of shorten version of Argos first name. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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robertosfield wrote: Perhaps a mis-understanding... I was OK'ing the use of shorten version of Agos first name. Robert. Exactly, you got it Robert! :) A bit of a misunderstood, but perhaps it was my fault. I don't mind at all the use of my last name. And I also don't mind having my full name stored in the forum Id database. It's just that I would prefer to identify myself and be known just by Agos. (without the r ;-), because I'm no mythical beast eheeheh ) But I don't mind that, for reasons of security or clarity, or whatever is the rule in here, anyone can check my profile and see my full name, if that's important. So, is that ok with you? I see the practical point of Art, and I might do that, but if it is possible to do what I just proposed, I think that leaving my full name, for formal reasons, but using the short name (as Art does to sign his messages, for instance) will subscribe even better your ideas of real names, don't you agree? :-) And thanks for answering. Agos -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=22547#22547 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] [forum] All Forum Users, PLEASE READ IT!
Welcome Agos BTW Argos with the R for many in England without an education in the classics would associate it with a Retail Shopping chain :) and not Odysseus puppy :) Gordon Tomlinson Product Manager 3d Technology Overwatch(r) An Operating Unit of Textron Systems From: osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org [mailto:osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org] On Behalf Of Agostinho Silva Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:11 AM To: osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org Subject: Re: [osg-users] [forum] All Forum Users, PLEASE READ IT! robertosfield wrote: Perhaps a mis-understanding... I was OK'ing the use of shorten version of Agos first name. Robert. Exactly, you got it Robert! Smilehttp://forum.openscenegraph.org/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif A bit of a misunderstood, but perhaps it was my fault. I don't mind at all the use of my last name. And I also don't mind having my full name stored in the forum Id database. It's just that I would prefer to identify myself and be known just by Agos. (without the r Winkhttp://forum.openscenegraph.org/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif , because I'm no mythical beast eheeheh ) But I don't mind that, for reasons of security or clarity, or whatever is the rule in here, anyone can check my profile and see my full name, if that's important. So, is that ok with you? I see the practical point of Art, and I might do that, but if it is possible to do what I just proposed, I think that leaving my full name, for formal reasons, but using the short name (as Art does to sign his messages, for instance) will subscribe even better your ideas of real names, don't you agree? Smilehttp://forum.openscenegraph.org/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif And thanks for answering. Agos -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=22547#22547 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] [forum] All Forum Users, PLEASE READ IT!
Hi, why I can't submit a topic in general forum? What need I do? Thank you! Cheers, Xiao -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=19724#19724 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] [forum] All Forum Users, PLEASE READ IT!
Does this apply to the mailing list or just the forum? I would like to object to this if it applies to the mailing list. I don't specify my full name for a very good reason. The type of work I am doing is proprietary/sensitive and don't want any questions I ask, even though I try to ask generic enough questions, to reveal what I am doing, or how I am doing it, and it be traceable to the company and my customer. It would not be a good thing for anyone on my side. If someone wants to try to track me down through my email, well, I can only do so much, with out considerable more effort, but I do what I can. Ed (or maybe, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Thomas, John, Freddy, or) Quoting Art Tevs arti_t...@yahoo.de: Hello dear forum users, in order to establish a nice etiquette in our community, we have decided to suspend user accounts which do not correspond to forum's rules. The main reason is that a lot of forum users don't have valid real names specified. The problem in that is, that your posts are also visible by the mailing list members and that more or less blind kind of conversation isn't appropriate for our community. Please take a look into this thread, written by Robert Osfield: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?t=2498 to see what I mean!!! So, user accounts who's real names are either not full (by full we understand First and Last name) or are of some cryptic nature (e.g. XMen, 3D Master, etc) will be put into moderation queue by me in the next hours. Messages posted by moderated/suspended accounts are not visible and also not forwarded to the mailing list, until they get approved by moderatos. Hence you still able to post, however until you do not correct your profile to match the forum rules (http://forum.openscenegraph.org/rules.php) your messages will not be visible by other members of our community. Hence if you like to join us, you are asked to follow the netiquette established in many years of mailing list era. So again: - you have to specify a valid real name in your profile. Valid real name is of type First Last name, for example John McCourkey, Alice Smith, etc... - Names with more than 2 words are allowed, e.g. Hans Peter Maier. - If it is not appropriate to have such names in your culture or you want to preserve some kind of anonymity, then please use a pseudonym (which match the both previous points!!!), however use it persistently in all your communications within our community. - you can disable Always show my realname in your profile settings, then your name wouldn't be visible on the forum and will also not be indexed by Google etc when indexing the forum page! However it will still be used in mails sent to the mailing list, so this is the same level of anonymity as if you have used mailing list only Thank you and sorry for such circumstances Art P.S. Users who recieve an email with subject Your account on OpenSceneGraph Forum is now moderated/suspended are landed on the moderation queue. So they are asked to correct their profiles! -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=11678#11678 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] [forum] All Forum Users, PLEASE READ IT!
Hi Ed, as you can read in this Robert's thread: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?t=2498 it does apply to everybody, don't matter if you on the forum or on the mailing list side! Otherwise forum users are discriminated and we wouldn't like to discriminate users just because they are using a forum instead of mailing list. I will be strongly against such a discrimination ;) However if you use sensitive data, then just use some email adress, which can not be traced back to you. Also use a pseudonym, when discussing on the mailinglist/forum. Then you will not break our etiquette rules and will be still anonymized safely. regards, art osg wrote: Does this apply to the mailing list or just the forum? I would like to object to this if it applies to the mailing list. I don't specify my full name for a very good reason. The type of work I am doing is proprietary/sensitive and don't want any questions I ask, even though I try to ask generic enough questions, to reveal what I am doing, or how I am doing it, and it be traceable to the company and my customer. It would not be a good thing for anyone on my side. If someone wants to try to track me down through my email, well, I can only do so much, with out considerable more effort, but I do what I can. Ed (or maybe, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Thomas, John, Freddy, or) -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=11733#11733 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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Hi ?? The key is that you adopt a consistent online personal that others can relate it. Not adopting some form of human name is crap for everybody else who interacts with you. At personal level I find it obnoxious that people are not always honest about who they are, but that's me. I do realize that some may wish to remain anonymous and sometimes there might even be actual valid reasons for it, it doesn't make like this type of deceit, but it does mean that I have to accept end users choice to remain anonymous. While accepting anonymity doesn't mean a free pass to come up with any combination of random key combinations for an online identity. Remember you are trying to communicate with real human beings, if you want them to help you then you have to make the effort to communicate in a form that is something that others can relate to. If you want free support then this is the hurdle you need to jump for mailing lists users and forum users - it really isn't much of hurdle, if you want anonymity then all you need to do is come up with an name for your alter ego and stick with this. Robert. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM, o...@celticblues.com wrote: Does this apply to the mailing list or just the forum? I would like to object to this if it applies to the mailing list. I don't specify my full name for a very good reason. The type of work I am doing is proprietary/sensitive and don't want any questions I ask, even though I try to ask generic enough questions, to reveal what I am doing, or how I am doing it, and it be traceable to the company and my customer. It would not be a good thing for anyone on my side. If someone wants to try to track me down through my email, well, I can only do so much, with out considerable more effort, but I do what I can. Ed (or maybe, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Thomas, John, Freddy, or) Quoting Art Tevs arti_t...@yahoo.de: Hello dear forum users, in order to establish a nice etiquette in our community, we have decided to suspend user accounts which do not correspond to forum's rules. The main reason is that a lot of forum users don't have valid real names specified. The problem in that is, that your posts are also visible by the mailing list members and that more or less blind kind of conversation isn't appropriate for our community. Please take a look into this thread, written by Robert Osfield: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?t=2498 to see what I mean!!! So, user accounts who's real names are either not full (by full we understand First and Last name) or are of some cryptic nature (e.g. XMen, 3D Master, etc) will be put into moderation queue by me in the next hours. Messages posted by moderated/suspended accounts are not visible and also not forwarded to the mailing list, until they get approved by moderatos. Hence you still able to post, however until you do not correct your profile to match the forum rules (http://forum.openscenegraph.org/rules.php) your messages will not be visible by other members of our community. Hence if you like to join us, you are asked to follow the netiquette established in many years of mailing list era. So again: - you have to specify a valid real name in your profile. Valid real name is of type First Last name, for example John McCourkey, Alice Smith, etc... - Names with more than 2 words are allowed, e.g. Hans Peter Maier. - If it is not appropriate to have such names in your culture or you want to preserve some kind of anonymity, then please use a pseudonym (which match the both previous points!!!), however use it persistently in all your communications within our community. - you can disable Always show my realname in your profile settings, then your name wouldn't be visible on the forum and will also not be indexed by Google etc when indexing the forum page! However it will still be used in mails sent to the mailing list, so this is the same level of anonymity as if you have used mailing list only Thank you and sorry for such circumstances Art P.S. Users who recieve an email with subject Your account on OpenSceneGraph Forum is now moderated/suspended are landed on the moderation queue. So they are asked to correct their profiles! -- Read this topic online here: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?p=11678#11678 ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] [forum] All Forum Users, PLEASE READ IT!
Not trying to be argumentative here, but... I am not being dishonest about who I am... Ed. But that is all I wish to reveal for very good reasons. I think it is possible to communicate with others without them knowing your full name, or any part of your name. The communication is in the conversation, not in the name you tag on at the end. As for free support requiring users to jump through this hoop... Ok, your project your choice. But, how about a little more slack on this, considering you have a pretty large user base, all of whom seem to be more than willing to help test new features, deploy OSG into their systems, labs, etc, thereby propagating it throughout the community. I think it is a two-way street. Just my $0.02. Definitely Ed Quoting Robert Osfield robert.osfi...@gmail.com: Hi ?? The key is that you adopt a consistent online personal that others can relate it. Not adopting some form of human name is crap for everybody else who interacts with you. At personal level I find it obnoxious that people are not always honest about who they are, but that's me. I do realize that some may wish to remain anonymous and sometimes there might even be actual valid reasons for it, it doesn't make like this type of deceit, but it does mean that I have to accept end users choice to remain anonymous. While accepting anonymity doesn't mean a free pass to come up with any combination of random key combinations for an online identity. Remember you are trying to communicate with real human beings, if you want them to help you then you have to make the effort to communicate in a form that is something that others can relate to. If you want free support then this is the hurdle you need to jump for mailing lists users and forum users - it really isn't much of hurdle, if you want anonymity then all you need to do is come up with an name for your alter ego and stick with this. Robert. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM, o...@celticblues.com wrote: Does this apply to the mailing list or just the forum? I would like to object to this if it applies to the mailing list. I don't specify my full name for a very good reason. The type of work I am doing is proprietary/sensitive and don't want any questions I ask, even though I try to ask generic enough questions, to reveal what I am doing, or how I am doing it, and it be traceable to the company and my customer. It would not be a good thing for anyone on my side. If someone wants to try to track me down through my email, well, I can only do so much, with out considerable more effort, but I do what I can. Ed (or maybe, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Thomas, John, Freddy, or) Quoting Art Tevs arti_t...@yahoo.de: Hello dear forum users, in order to establish a nice etiquette in our community, we have decided to suspend user accounts which do not correspond to forum's rules. The main reason is that a lot of forum users don't have valid real names specified. The problem in that is, that your posts are also visible by the mailing list members and that more or less blind kind of conversation isn't appropriate for our community. Please take a look into this thread, written by Robert Osfield: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?t=2498 to see what I mean!!! So, user accounts who's real names are either not full (by full we understand First and Last name) or are of some cryptic nature (e.g. XMen, 3D Master, etc) will be put into moderation queue by me in the next hours. Messages posted by moderated/suspended accounts are not visible and also not forwarded to the mailing list, until they get approved by moderatos. Hence you still able to post, however until you do not correct your profile to match the forum rules (http://forum.openscenegraph.org/rules.php) your messages will not be visible by other members of our community. Hence if you like to join us, you are asked to follow the netiquette established in many years of mailing list era. So again: - you have to specify a valid real name in your profile. Valid real name is of type First Last name, for example John McCourkey, Alice Smith, etc... - Names with more than 2 words are allowed, e.g. Hans Peter Maier. - If it is not appropriate to have such names in your culture or you want to preserve some kind of anonymity, then please use a pseudonym (which match the both previous points!!!), however use it persistently in all your communications within our community. - you can disable Always show my realname in your profile settings, then your name wouldn't be visible on the forum and will also not be indexed by Google etc when indexing the forum page! However it will still be used in mails sent to the mailing list, so this is the same level of anonymity as if you have used mailing list only Thank you and sorry for such circumstances Art P.S. Users who recieve an email with subject Your account on OpenSceneGraph Forum is now
Re: [osg-users] [forum] All Forum Users, PLEASE READ IT!
Hi Ed, You don't seem to have the threads on this topic. The names are key to tracking who's saying what over time. If you can't do this then you can properly hold a conservation. If you are in crowded room and you wish to address someone you don't just shout out to everybody, you specifically address who you want to talk to, you need a name to do. Also when someones says something in this crowded room and you don't know who said it how are you to reply? How are you to remember what they've said previously or what you've said to them previously. Once you loose names you loose a fundamental part of how communication works, it breaks down. This is what are trying to do is stopping communication breaking down, prevent it from becoming too difficult to us to use. And please don't go adopting a name that takes the mikey. If you can't be civil then it only take me a minute to unsubscribe you. Robert. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:02 PM, o...@celticblues.com wrote: Not trying to be argumentative here, but... I am not being dishonest about who I am... Ed. But that is all I wish to reveal for very good reasons. I think it is possible to communicate with others without them knowing your full name, or any part of your name. The communication is in the conversation, not in the name you tag on at the end. As for free support requiring users to jump through this hoop... Ok, your project your choice. But, how about a little more slack on this, considering you have a pretty large user base, all of whom seem to be more than willing to help test new features, deploy OSG into their systems, labs, etc, thereby propagating it throughout the community. I think it is a two-way street. Just my $0.02. Definitely Ed Quoting Robert Osfield robert.osfi...@gmail.com: Hi ?? The key is that you adopt a consistent online personal that others can relate it. Not adopting some form of human name is crap for everybody else who interacts with you. At personal level I find it obnoxious that people are not always honest about who they are, but that's me. I do realize that some may wish to remain anonymous and sometimes there might even be actual valid reasons for it, it doesn't make like this type of deceit, but it does mean that I have to accept end users choice to remain anonymous. While accepting anonymity doesn't mean a free pass to come up with any combination of random key combinations for an online identity. Remember you are trying to communicate with real human beings, if you want them to help you then you have to make the effort to communicate in a form that is something that others can relate to. If you want free support then this is the hurdle you need to jump for mailing lists users and forum users - it really isn't much of hurdle, if you want anonymity then all you need to do is come up with an name for your alter ego and stick with this. Robert. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM, o...@celticblues.com wrote: Does this apply to the mailing list or just the forum? I would like to object to this if it applies to the mailing list. I don't specify my full name for a very good reason. The type of work I am doing is proprietary/sensitive and don't want any questions I ask, even though I try to ask generic enough questions, to reveal what I am doing, or how I am doing it, and it be traceable to the company and my customer. It would not be a good thing for anyone on my side. If someone wants to try to track me down through my email, well, I can only do so much, with out considerable more effort, but I do what I can. Ed (or maybe, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Thomas, John, Freddy, or) Quoting Art Tevs arti_t...@yahoo.de: Hello dear forum users, in order to establish a nice etiquette in our community, we have decided to suspend user accounts which do not correspond to forum's rules. The main reason is that a lot of forum users don't have valid real names specified. The problem in that is, that your posts are also visible by the mailing list members and that more or less blind kind of conversation isn't appropriate for our community. Please take a look into this thread, written by Robert Osfield: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?t=2498 to see what I mean!!! So, user accounts who's real names are either not full (by full we understand First and Last name) or are of some cryptic nature (e.g. XMen, 3D Master, etc) will be put into moderation queue by me in the next hours. Messages posted by moderated/suspended accounts are not visible and also not forwarded to the mailing list, until they get approved by moderatos. Hence you still able to post, however until you do not correct your profile to match the forum rules (http://forum.openscenegraph.org/rules.php) your messages will not be visible by other members of our community. Hence if you like to join us, you are asked to follow the netiquette
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Robert Osfield wrote: Hi Ed, You don't seem to have the threads on this topic. The names are key to tracking who's saying what over time. If you can't do this then you can properly hold a conservation. If you are in crowded room and you wish to address someone you don't just shout out to everybody, you specifically address who you want to talk to, you need a name to do. Also when someones says something in this crowded room and you don't know who said it how are you to reply? How are you to remember what they've said previously or what you've said to them previously. Once you loose names you loose a fundamental part of how communication works, it breaks down. This is what are trying to do is stopping communication breaking down, prevent it from becoming too difficult to us to use. And please don't go adopting a name that takes the mikey. If you can't be civil then it only take me a minute to unsubscribe you. WTF? Are you now threatening to unsubscribe people because they choose to go by a first name and e-mail address only, while otherwise being civil in their communications?? This is getting ridiculous... Paul ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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But how hard is it to make up a last name and keep it consistently as your OSG persona... so that we can easily distinguish you from potentially countless other Eds? It seems like a relatively minor thing to me and it does make a big difference in remembering who people are. -Paul o...@celticblues.com wrote: Not trying to be argumentative here, but... I am not being dishonest about who I am... Ed. But that is all I wish to reveal for very good reasons. I think it is possible to communicate with others without them knowing your full name, or any part of your name. The communication is in the conversation, not in the name you tag on at the end. As for free support requiring users to jump through this hoop... Ok, your project your choice. But, how about a little more slack on this, considering you have a pretty large user base, all of whom seem to be more than willing to help test new features, deploy OSG into their systems, labs, etc, thereby propagating it throughout the community. I think it is a two-way street. Just my $0.02. Definitely Ed Quoting Robert Osfield robert.osfi...@gmail.com: Hi ?? The key is that you adopt a consistent online personal that others can relate it. Not adopting some form of human name is crap for everybody else who interacts with you. At personal level I find it obnoxious that people are not always honest about who they are, but that's me. I do realize that some may wish to remain anonymous and sometimes there might even be actual valid reasons for it, it doesn't make like this type of deceit, but it does mean that I have to accept end users choice to remain anonymous. While accepting anonymity doesn't mean a free pass to come up with any combination of random key combinations for an online identity. Remember you are trying to communicate with real human beings, if you want them to help you then you have to make the effort to communicate in a form that is something that others can relate to. If you want free support then this is the hurdle you need to jump for mailing lists users and forum users - it really isn't much of hurdle, if you want anonymity then all you need to do is come up with an name for your alter ego and stick with this. Robert. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM, o...@celticblues.com wrote: Does this apply to the mailing list or just the forum? I would like to object to this if it applies to the mailing list. I don't specify my full name for a very good reason. The type of work I am doing is proprietary/sensitive and don't want any questions I ask, even though I try to ask generic enough questions, to reveal what I am doing, or how I am doing it, and it be traceable to the company and my customer. It would not be a good thing for anyone on my side. If someone wants to try to track me down through my email, well, I can only do so much, with out considerable more effort, but I do what I can. Ed (or maybe, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Thomas, John, Freddy, or) Quoting Art Tevs arti_t...@yahoo.de: Hello dear forum users, in order to establish a nice etiquette in our community, we have decided to suspend user accounts which do not correspond to forum's rules. The main reason is that a lot of forum users don't have valid real names specified. The problem in that is, that your posts are also visible by the mailing list members and that more or less blind kind of conversation isn't appropriate for our community. Please take a look into this thread, written by Robert Osfield: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?t=2498 to see what I mean!!! So, user accounts who's real names are either not full (by full we understand First and Last name) or are of some cryptic nature (e.g. XMen, 3D Master, etc) will be put into moderation queue by me in the next hours. Messages posted by moderated/suspended accounts are not visible and also not forwarded to the mailing list, until they get approved by moderatos. Hence you still able to post, however until you do not correct your profile to match the forum rules (http://forum.openscenegraph.org/rules.php) your messages will not be visible by other members of our community. Hence if you like to join us, you are asked to follow the netiquette established in many years of mailing list era. So again: - you have to specify a valid real name in your profile. Valid real name is of type First Last name, for example John McCourkey, Alice Smith, etc... - Names with more than 2 words are allowed, e.g. Hans Peter Maier. - If it is not appropriate to have such names in your culture or you want to preserve some kind of anonymity, then please use a pseudonym (which match the both previous points!!!), however use it persistently in all your communications within our community. - you can disable Always show my realname in your profile settings, then your name wouldn't be visible on the forum and will also not be indexed by Google etc when
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Don't let this slip into something childish, please. If the main problem here is that it is expected of mailing list/forum users to have some form of name by which they can be addressed I personally couldn't give a hoot if it is their real full name, first name only, a completely fake name, some goofy nickname or whatever. And this is a graphics community after all, so people actually have a habit of using goofy nicknames. Paul o...@celticblues.com wrote: take mic to to address Mr. Paul Melis and others who wish to listen Ridiculous Indeed! Agreed! How can anyone say I was being un-civil? /take mic to to address Mr. Paul Melis and others who wish to listen Quoting Paul Melis p...@science.uva.nl: Robert Osfield wrote: Hi Ed, You don't seem to have the threads on this topic. The names are key to tracking who's saying what over time. If you can't do this then you can properly hold a conservation. If you are in crowded room and you wish to address someone you don't just shout out to everybody, you specifically address who you want to talk to, you need a name to do. Also when someones says something in this crowded room and you don't know who said it how are you to reply? How are you to remember what they've said previously or what you've said to them previously. Once you loose names you loose a fundamental part of how communication works, it breaks down. This is what are trying to do is stopping communication breaking down, prevent it from becoming too difficult to us to use. And please don't go adopting a name that takes the mikey. If you can't be civil then it only take me a minute to unsubscribe you. WTF? Are you now threatening to unsubscribe people because they choose to go by a first name and e-mail address only, while otherwise being civil in their communications?? This is getting ridiculous... Paul ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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I can certainly understand the reason for remaining anonymous if you work on sensitive information. However, by just admitting that you work on sensitive information, you have probably revealed more than you should have...;^). It certainly piques a lot more interest from other observers who are in the business of intel gathering than what a real first/last name would do... Like others have pointed out, you can just use a first and last name alias that will satisfy the requirements that are being requested along with a generic email address like gmail or hotmail. This is certainly more effective than using a short abbreviated common first name. This is JMO from following this thread of discussion... -Shayne -Original Message- From: osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org [mailto:osg-users-boun...@lists.openscenegraph.org] On Behalf Of o...@celticblues.com Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:02 AM To: osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org Subject: Re: [osg-users] [forum] All Forum Users, PLEASE READ IT! Not trying to be argumentative here, but... I am not being dishonest about who I am... Ed. But that is all I wish to reveal for very good reasons. I think it is possible to communicate with others without them knowing your full name, or any part of your name. The communication is in the conversation, not in the name you tag on at the end. As for free support requiring users to jump through this hoop... Ok, your project your choice. But, how about a little more slack on this, considering you have a pretty large user base, all of whom seem to be more than willing to help test new features, deploy OSG into their systems, labs, etc, thereby propagating it throughout the community. I think it is a two-way street. Just my $0.02. Definitely Ed Quoting Robert Osfield robert.osfi...@gmail.com: Hi ?? The key is that you adopt a consistent online personal that others can relate it. Not adopting some form of human name is crap for everybody else who interacts with you. At personal level I find it obnoxious that people are not always honest about who they are, but that's me. I do realize that some may wish to remain anonymous and sometimes there might even be actual valid reasons for it, it doesn't make like this type of deceit, but it does mean that I have to accept end users choice to remain anonymous. While accepting anonymity doesn't mean a free pass to come up with any combination of random key combinations for an online identity. Remember you are trying to communicate with real human beings, if you want them to help you then you have to make the effort to communicate in a form that is something that others can relate to. If you want free support then this is the hurdle you need to jump for mailing lists users and forum users - it really isn't much of hurdle, if you want anonymity then all you need to do is come up with an name for your alter ego and stick with this. Robert. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM, o...@celticblues.com wrote: Does this apply to the mailing list or just the forum? I would like to object to this if it applies to the mailing list. I don't specify my full name for a very good reason. The type of work I am doing is proprietary/sensitive and don't want any questions I ask, even though I try to ask generic enough questions, to reveal what I am doing, or how I am doing it, and it be traceable to the company and my customer. It would not be a good thing for anyone on my side. If someone wants to try to track me down through my email, well, I can only do so much, with out considerable more effort, but I do what I can. Ed (or maybe, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Thomas, John, Freddy, or) Quoting Art Tevs arti_t...@yahoo.de: Hello dear forum users, in order to establish a nice etiquette in our community, we have decided to suspend user accounts which do not correspond to forum's rules. The main reason is that a lot of forum users don't have valid real names specified. The problem in that is, that your posts are also visible by the mailing list members and that more or less blind kind of conversation isn't appropriate for our community. Please take a look into this thread, written by Robert Osfield: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?t=2498 to see what I mean!!! So, user accounts who's real names are either not full (by full we understand First and Last name) or are of some cryptic nature (e.g. XMen, 3D Master, etc) will be put into moderation queue by me in the next hours. Messages posted by moderated/suspended accounts are not visible and also not forwarded to the mailing list, until they get approved by moderatos. Hence you still able to post, however until you do not correct your profile to match the forum rules (http://forum.openscenegraph.org/rules.php) your messages will not be visible by other members of our community. Hence if you like to join us, you
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On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Paul Melis p...@science.uva.nl wrote: And please don't go adopting a name that takes the mikey. If you can't be civil then it only take me a minute to unsubscribe you. WTF? Are you now threatening to unsubscribe people because they choose to go by a first name and e-mail address only, while otherwise being civil in their communications?? This is getting ridiculous... Please take things in context. There has been another thread discussing what is pratical and what's not. First name is better than nothing but it really isn't good enough as the community is just too big for everyone to go by first names.There is already two Paul's contributing to this thread with both of you taking different stances. You wouldn't want to both get tarred with making statements you didn't make now would you. As administrator of the mailing list it's my responsibility to make a judgment call on whether someone is using the mailing list appropriate or not. If you don't like what choices I make then... we'll you can go start your own scene graph community. I have only unsubscribed two people for abuse of the list since it's inception. It's not something I do lightly. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM, o...@celticblues.com wrote: take mic to to address Mr. Paul Melis and others who wish to listen Ridiculous Indeed! Agreed! How can anyone say I was being un-civil? /take mic to to address Mr. Paul Melis and others who wish to listen Please start using a name, and one longer that will be unique not some two letter nick name. Being civil is about respecting the rules of the house in which you are guest. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
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Ed is my name, not a nickname. If that is a problem... sorry, it is what I was given by my parents. If by civil you meant following the suggested rules of the mailing list, why didn't you just say that. The word 'civil' means something different, such as 'not rude' to most people I know. Ed Quoting Robert Osfield robert.osfi...@gmail.com: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM, o...@celticblues.com wrote: take mic to to address Mr. Paul Melis and others who wish to listen Ridiculous Indeed! Agreed! How can anyone say I was being un-civil? /take mic to to address Mr. Paul Melis and others who wish to listen Please start using a name, and one longer that will be unique not some two letter nick name. Being civil is about respecting the rules of the house in which you are guest. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
