Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
*Stares at XAML runtime*... *stares at WPF*... *stares at .NET Developers* ...i figure if all you really did was change the namespaces out and strip away the Windows 8 Start menu shit, you're back to Win7 and WPF crap would work..only devs would be clueless that the rendering pipeline was changed. except for those few devs who sit there and giggle themselves to sleep at the inner workings of what happens and what's different. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:15 PM, David Connors da...@connors.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: I'm hoping he's behind the WPF reboot rumours i'm hearing more and more of. WPF Reboot? I for one can't wait for 2 gigabyte of RAM footprint calculator applications and my GPU shitting itself trying to draw a green square at 3fps. Rich applications are dead. Long live rich applications! http://www.unrealengine.com/html5/ David.
Re: Migrating TFS
Like I said, in some parts i'll call bullship! and in other you'd have to say outloud yeah...my bad... ... Learning for Silverlight = Poor. Performance of Silverlight = Great (multi-threading, gpu/cpu access etc). You just probably needed more guidance but even as I type this I hear myself Yeah sure, blame the developer for not knowing how to run the runtime...that's smart... and slowly let my eyes fall to the ground with a mumbled ok...fine...our bad.. Debugging of Silverlight = Meh, depends on what methodology/framework you're using to data snack between server client. I've personally never once ran into that issue and i'll even lump Silverlight for mobile into that equation (XBOX Halo Waypoint for windows phone for example took a lot of engineering muscle to take large XML packets into a phone from the XBOX Live services team..which meant sucking it in, processing it inside the phone and then displaying it...and that was early bits of Silverlight on mobile..and still...debugging wasn't as bad as you outline...) .. that being said... i lost credibility (didn't have much to begin with) when I said depends on the framework/methodology ...which translates for me to derp derp barnes, you're a jerk, derp derp :) Productivity games i'll agree with. If you've never really gotten used to plugin development in terms of RIA (what we kids used to call it). It's a complete 180 in terms of behaviour traits in developers, as I noticed that even in Flash/Flex circles often developers would echo the fatal words ahh screw this, i'm going back to my comfort blanket HTML/JS.. as at least the mediocrity is stabilized and time is slower for them to figure out state management and datagrids are solved with big fat TABLE tags (oh sorry, now its div tags with CSS hacks) (Yes I roll my eyes at HTML/JS) :) Bah.. i think about the whole first years of Silverlight and i wish I had have pushed harder on a select few to stop being jerks and listen to the needs of a few other people to get funding so we could fix this crap and then I still come back to a conversation I had once with the leadership team around Well...what happens if we do beat Flash... to which one said Well we'd break the glass, take the briefcase out, open the envelope and inside it would read - Congrats, now burn this plugin and focus on IE So it was inevitable i guess :) (I think i'm up to Stage 5 of Silverlight Grief). --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Tony Wright tonyw...@gmail.com wrote: Alright I pay some of that. Within the corporate environment I was in for the major project, we were also coding on 32 bit machines. We had continuous memory overflow issues, which we raise to MS and were told it wasn't going to be fixed because it was 32 bit issues. Together with the crashes and pauses caused by switching to visual XAML view, development became a major hastle. We eventually had to turn off visual view for stability reasons. As for the async stuff. Yes, async is always going to be hard to debug, but for some reason, it was even harder in Silverlight. Sure, if you get the pattern right you shouldn't have any major problems overall, but having to use fiddler to do simple diagnosis, a third party tool, was bizarre. In the end, when we looked at the stats, we found that developers were heaps less productive with Silverlight than with web apps. It actually took an embarrassing long time for people to get a Silverlight app debugged relative to a web app. What took a week or two to do in web seemed to take a month in Silverlight. We can talk all we want about the reasons for that, and what gaps existed in developer Silverlight knowledge, but the reality was that this became irrelevant with a significant team of developers. It just took them far too long to learn and develop. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes *Sent:* Thursday, 13 February 2014 12:26 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Migrating TFS Yeah i'm calling Spacer Problem on your issues described (ie the space between Silverlight and you). Everything you've outlined can be distilled into We haven't yet figured out how deep linking as a concept works because we're used to HTTP handling that burden for us through to Async is hard stuff Devs tweaked XAML because some idiot in the Visual Studio team decided to let devs access XAML natively in the tooling, but forget to check off the performance issues that come with Design vs XAML view. It was a conditioned response to that problem and given XAML was really never meant to be a code centric workflow it just baffles the mind at times as to who was actually in charge of that mission and how they justified it to business reviews we had. Blend was also a huge issue given they had zero time for Ux stabilisation(s) and no real investment was given to that team to make it User Friendly -
Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: *Stares at XAML runtime*... *stares at WPF*... *stares at .NET Developers* ...i figure if all you really did was change the namespaces out and strip away the Windows 8 Start menu shit, you're back to Win7 and WPF crap would work..only devs would be clueless that the rendering pipeline was changed. except for those few devs who sit there and giggle themselves to sleep at the inner workings of what happens and what's different. If by 'crap would work' I agree ... *crap* would work, then I agree. The web has won. Any rich app runtime is dead to me moving forward. As someone rightly said to me, MS spent the better part of a decade with all this data binding stuff in WPF - then someone writes 10kb of javascript that does the same thing better/faster. I mean, unrealengine in a browser with no plugins. David Connors da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
better, faster? O.o... did you just say JavaScript is better than WPF? . --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:02 AM, David Connors da...@connors.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: *Stares at XAML runtime*... *stares at WPF*... *stares at .NET Developers* ...i figure if all you really did was change the namespaces out and strip away the Windows 8 Start menu shit, you're back to Win7 and WPF crap would work..only devs would be clueless that the rendering pipeline was changed. except for those few devs who sit there and giggle themselves to sleep at the inner workings of what happens and what's different. If by 'crap would work' I agree ... *crap* would work, then I agree. The web has won. Any rich app runtime is dead to me moving forward. As someone rightly said to me, MS spent the better part of a decade with all this data binding stuff in WPF - then someone writes 10kb of javascript that does the same thing better/faster. I mean, unrealengine in a browser with no plugins. David Connors da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
Does it even matter when for browser apps one of them is DOA? On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: better, faster? O.o... did you just say JavaScript is better than WPF? . --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:02 AM, David Connors da...@connors.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: *Stares at XAML runtime*... *stares at WPF*... *stares at .NET Developers* ...i figure if all you really did was change the namespaces out and strip away the Windows 8 Start menu shit, you're back to Win7 and WPF crap would work..only devs would be clueless that the rendering pipeline was changed. except for those few devs who sit there and giggle themselves to sleep at the inner workings of what happens and what's different. If by 'crap would work' I agree ... *crap* would work, then I agree. The web has won. Any rich app runtime is dead to me moving forward. As someone rightly said to me, MS spent the better part of a decade with all this data binding stuff in WPF - then someone writes 10kb of javascript that does the same thing better/faster. I mean, unrealengine in a browser with no plugins. David Connors da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
RE: [OT] Favourite Coding Album
Maybe use something like Grooveshark’s collaborative playlists so it’s not just for the Win8 crowd? http://help.grooveshark.com/customer/portal/articles/528163-collaborative-playlists From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of osjasonrobe...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, 13 February 2014 3:17 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Favourite Coding Album Hope to - gonna blog the results which should be fun - anyone know if you can create Xbox Music playlists to share (or other ways to create sharable playlists??) Jason Roberts Journeyman Software Developer Twitter: @robertsjason Blog: http://DontCodeTired.com Pluralsight Courses: http://bit.ly/psjasonroberts From: mike smithmailto:meski...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, 13 February 2014 12:15 PM To: ozDotNetmailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Going to makeup a playlist for us at the end? On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.commailto:crai...@gmail.com wrote: If only the chicks were really for free! On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:12 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.commailto:meski...@gmail.com wrote: Worked for me (now listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0feature=kp ) Damn, I love that guitar! On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:00 PM, osjasonrobe...@gmail.commailto:osjasonrobe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, thought it would be cool to write a fun blog post with programmers fave albums I used Excel web app survey to create it which is pretty cool http://bit.ly/programmermusicsurvey Spread the word, will be cool to see the results Jason Roberts Journeyman Software Developer Twitter: @robertsjason Blog: http://DontCodeTired.com Pluralsight Courses: http://bit.ly/psjasonroberts -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills Click herehttps://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MZbqvYs5QwJvpeaetUwhCQ== to report this email as spam. This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.com
RE: asp.net / database / coding issue.
Try changing your font from Comic Sans to something like Lucida Console or
Courier New and run it again.
Don't worry, I think this one has caught us all out at some point in our lives.
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On
Behalf Of Glen Harvy
Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2014 4:51 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: asp.net / database / coding issue.
Hi,
I have had a problem with one client of mine where they run a court rental
agency for various councils and they do everything on a shoestring. I believe
everything in the office is run on a laptop with 4 gig memory including my
software which includes a web server which provides their users with the
ability to book courts. I have had no reports of the problem from any of my
other clients.
The specific issue is when I check that there are no present bookings before
allowing a new booking for any specific time frame.
I have little in-depth knowledge of asp.net however I do believe that each
customer logged on have their own session state and the html is created in that
state and then fed to the customers browser. There should be no cross-over of
this data in-memory however I notice that the problem seems to occur when there
are more than two users logged in. I mention this because the problem may be
with my coding and not with the database.
Here's the code which I have only just heavily modified in an effort to capture
the specific problem:
[code=csharp]
bool available = true;
string location = ;
Columns columns = requestedColumnNames(bookingStartDT, bookingPeriods);
int columnsToBeCheckedCount = columns.ColumnsFirstDay.Count;
int conflictsFound = 0;
int columnsChecked = 0;
using (MCData.DBManager dbManager = new
MCData.DBManager(AppSettings.DataDirectory))
{
try
{
location = Day 1;
dbManager.Open();
dbManager.AddParameter(@BookingDate, bookingStartDT.Date);
dbManager.AddParameter(@FacilityID, facilityID);
dbManager.ExecuteReader(CommandType.Text,
string.Format(SELECT BookingDate, Court, {0} FROM BTable WHERE
BookingDate = @BookingDate AND Court = @FacilityID, columns.CSVFirstDay));
logger.Debug(+++ FacilityID [{0}],
dbManager.Parameter[@FacilityID].Valuemailto:%22,%20dbManager.Parameter[%22@FacilityID%22].Value);
logger.Debug(+++ BookingStartDT [{0}],
dbManager.Parameter[@BookingDate].Valuemailto:%22,%20dbManager.Parameter[%22@BookingDate%22].Value);
logger.Debug(+++ SQL [{0}], dbManager.Command.CommandText);
logger.Debug(+++ Connection string [{0}],
dbManager.ConnectionString);
int fieldsReturned = 0;
using (IDataReader rdr = dbManager.DataReader)
{
while (rdr.Read())
{
for (int i = 0; i rdr.FieldCount; i++)
{
string column = rdr.GetName(i).ToString();
if (column.StartsWith(T))
{
fieldsReturned++;
columnsChecked++;
if (!Convert.IsDBNull(rdr.GetValue(i)))
{
logger.Debug(+++ Facility [{0}] Date [{1}] Column [{2}]
value is not null [{3}].,
facilityID, bookingStartDT.Date, column, rdr.GetValue(i));
conflictsFound++;
}
}
else if (column == BookingDate)
{
logger.Debug(+++ BookingDate returned [{0:-MM-dd
HH:mm:ss}], rdr.GetValue(i));
}
else if (column == Court)
{
logger.Debug(+++ Court returned [{0}], rdr.GetValue(i));
}
}
}
}
logger.Debug(+++ Number of fields tested for null value [{0}] of a
total TColumn count of [{1}],
fieldsReturned, columns.ColumnsFirstDay.Count);
logger.Debug(+++ Columns to be checked count [{0}] Columns cheked
count [{1}],
columnsToBeCheckedCount, columnsChecked);
if (columnsChecked == columnsToBeCheckedCount conflictsFound 0)
{
logger.Debug(+++ All columns checked. Number of conflicts found
[{0}], conflictsFound);
available = false;
}
if (available columnsChecked != columnsToBeCheckedCount)
{
logger.Debug(+++ Not all columns checked. Setting availability to
false.);
available = false;
}
if (available conflictsFound 0)
{
logger.Debug(+++ Number of conflicts found [{0}], conflictsFound);
available = false;
}
logger.Debug(+++ Available status is [{0}], available);
[/code]
Now here's the log portion:
2014-02-12 09:42:07.9304 HP-HP MyCourtsOnline.Default.#wPc ypaul Checking For
Booking Conflicts RequestedFacilityID [6]
Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
either all - does it matter either way? In closing - JavaScript is the digital age’s version of herpes, every time you think its gone a new outbreak occurs – DHTML, AJAX, “HTML5″ --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.comwrote: Does it even matter when for browser apps one of them is DOA? On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: better, faster? O.o... did you just say JavaScript is better than WPF? . --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:02 AM, David Connors da...@connors.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: *Stares at XAML runtime*... *stares at WPF*... *stares at .NET Developers* ...i figure if all you really did was change the namespaces out and strip away the Windows 8 Start menu shit, you're back to Win7 and WPF crap would work..only devs would be clueless that the rendering pipeline was changed. except for those few devs who sit there and giggle themselves to sleep at the inner workings of what happens and what's different. If by 'crap would work' I agree ... *crap* would work, then I agree. The web has won. Any rich app runtime is dead to me moving forward. As someone rightly said to me, MS spent the better part of a decade with all this data binding stuff in WPF - then someone writes 10kb of javascript that does the same thing better/faster. I mean, unrealengine in a browser with no plugins. David Connors da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: better, faster? O.o... did you just say JavaScript is better than WPF? . I said 'someone's 10kb of JS is better. JavaScript is just Internet assembly language. It's the frameworks that matter. I used to hate JS with a passion, but the momentum around it is undeniable and the things people accomplish with frameworks on top of it are staggering. David Connors da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
JavaScript is just Internet assembly language. It's the frameworks that matter. I used to hate JS with a passion, but the momentum around it is undeniable and the things people accomplish with frameworks on top of it are staggering. So it was you who poetically said last year JavaScript is the assembly language of the Internet. A nice metaphorical comparison that I have passed on to others. Scott, your description of JavaScript is too kind, I call it a tumour on the Internet, but now it's spread so far that we've all just learned to live with the pain. I've used scripting languages of the JavaScript family for decades and they were always great in their place, but now it's absurd that we have gigantic frameworks spitting out script and minifying it like a poor man's optimised machine code. The mere fact that jQuery even needed to be created is a hint you can't ignore that something stinks. I looked at the Kendo samples discussed yesterday and I almost laughed aloud at the massive framework they had to create with an API over an API over a typeless scripting language. It's very clever of course and it's a tribute to just how plastic JavaScript is, but I think it's an abomination. Greg K
Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
David: I think the words your seeking are JavaScript Stockholm Syndrome .. I object strongly to a language who's surrounded by frameworks that are hell bent on abstracting developers from the said language as much as possible because the said language is so far behind the evolution curve. Had JS moved to ECMA4 - ECMA6 ..sure.. i'll play along but this JS ciricle jerk that's going on because everyone's given the defeatist attitude... bleh... And yes, I will concede I see my future with me standing on the roadside way WILL CODE JS FOR CRACK... --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:23 AM, David Connors da...@connors.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: better, faster? O.o... did you just say JavaScript is better than WPF? . I said 'someone's 10kb of JS is better. JavaScript is just Internet assembly language. It's the frameworks that matter. I used to hate JS with a passion, but the momentum around it is undeniable and the things people accomplish with frameworks on top of it are staggering. David Connors da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
RE: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
Hey Scott - I have to admit I'm not particularly imaginative - if you were building the internet from scratch, what do you think would be better than JavaScript? Does this product exist? Thomas From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Friday, 14 February 2014 11:42 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere) David: I think the words your seeking are JavaScript Stockholm Syndrome .. I object strongly to a language who's surrounded by frameworks that are hell bent on abstracting developers from the said language as much as possible because the said language is so far behind the evolution curve. Had JS moved to ECMA4 - ECMA6 ..sure.. i'll play along but this JS ciricle jerk that's going on because everyone's given the defeatist attitude... bleh... And yes, I will concede I see my future with me standing on the roadside way WILL CODE JS FOR CRACK... --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:23 AM, David Connors da...@connors.commailto:da...@connors.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.commailto:scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: better, faster? O.o... did you just say JavaScript is better than WPF? . I said 'someone's 10kb of JS is better. JavaScript is just Internet assembly language. It's the frameworks that matter. I used to hate JS with a passion, but the momentum around it is undeniable and the things people accomplish with frameworks on top of it are staggering. David Connors da...@connors.commailto:da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363tel:%2B61%20417%20189%20363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors Peninsula Health - Metropolitan Health Service of the Year 2007 2009
RE: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
Isn't it all just perspective ? All other languages are just wrappers around machine code anyway. :) Resistance is futile Any problem in computing can be solved by another layer of abstraction. And any performance problem in computing can be solved by removing one layer of abstraction. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax SQL Down Under | Web: http://www.sqldownunder.com/ www.sqldownunder.com From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Friday, 14 February 2014 11:42 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere) David: I think the words your seeking are JavaScript Stockholm Syndrome .. I object strongly to a language who's surrounded by frameworks that are hell bent on abstracting developers from the said language as much as possible because the said language is so far behind the evolution curve. Had JS moved to ECMA4 - ECMA6 ..sure.. i'll play along but this JS ciricle jerk that's going on because everyone's given the defeatist attitude... bleh... And yes, I will concede I see my future with me standing on the roadside way WILL CODE JS FOR CRACK... --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:23 AM, David Connors da...@connors.com mailto:da...@connors.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com mailto:scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: better, faster? O.o... did you just say JavaScript is better than WPF? . I said 'someone's 10kb of JS is better. JavaScript is just Internet assembly language. It's the frameworks that matter. I used to hate JS with a passion, but the momentum around it is undeniable and the things people accomplish with frameworks on top of it are staggering. David Connors mailto:da...@connors.com da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 tel:%2B61%20417%20189%20363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
Great point Greg. There was a time where I didn't feel like a real programmer because I wasn't writing my code in C++ and then one day I realised that the C++ programmers were not real programmers because they were not writing their code in Assembly Language... and the Assembly Language programmers were not programmers as they were not using modifying binary directly on the hard disk... etc. On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:00 AM, GregAtGregLowDotCom g...@greglow.comwrote: Isn’t it all just perspective ? All other languages are just wrappers around machine code anyway. J “Resistance is futile” “Any problem in computing can be solved by another layer of abstraction. And any performance problem in computing can be solved by removing one layer of abstraction.” Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes *Sent:* Friday, 14 February 2014 11:42 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere) David: I think the words your seeking are JavaScript Stockholm Syndrome .. I object strongly to a language who's surrounded by frameworks that are hell bent on abstracting developers from the said language as much as possible because the said language is so far behind the evolution curve. Had JS moved to ECMA4 - ECMA6 ..sure.. i'll play along but this JS ciricle jerk that's going on because everyone's given the defeatist attitude... bleh... And yes, I will concede I see my future with me standing on the roadside way WILL CODE JS FOR CRACK... --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:23 AM, David Connors da...@connors.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: better, faster? O.o... did you just say JavaScript is better than WPF? . I said 'someone's 10kb of JS is better. JavaScript is just Internet assembly language. It's the frameworks that matter. I used to hate JS with a passion, but the momentum around it is undeniable and the things people accomplish with frameworks on top of it are staggering. David Connors da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
http://xkcd.com/378/ Sent from my flux capacitor. Please excuse brevity and any odd autocorrect errors. On 14/02/2014 12:28 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Great point Greg. There was a time where I didn't feel like a real programmer because I wasn't writing my code in C++ and then one day I realised that the C++ programmers were not real programmers because they were not writing their code in Assembly Language... and the Assembly Language programmers were not programmers as they were not using modifying binary directly on the hard disk... etc. On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:00 AM, GregAtGregLowDotCom g...@greglow.comwrote: Isn’t it all just perspective ? All other languages are just wrappers around machine code anyway. J “Resistance is futile” “Any problem in computing can be solved by another layer of abstraction. And any performance problem in computing can be solved by removing one layer of abstraction.” Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes *Sent:* Friday, 14 February 2014 11:42 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere) David: I think the words your seeking are JavaScript Stockholm Syndrome .. I object strongly to a language who's surrounded by frameworks that are hell bent on abstracting developers from the said language as much as possible because the said language is so far behind the evolution curve. Had JS moved to ECMA4 - ECMA6 ..sure.. i'll play along but this JS ciricle jerk that's going on because everyone's given the defeatist attitude... bleh... And yes, I will concede I see my future with me standing on the roadside way WILL CODE JS FOR CRACK... --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:23 AM, David Connors da...@connors.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: better, faster? O.o... did you just say JavaScript is better than WPF? . I said 'someone's 10kb of JS is better. JavaScript is just Internet assembly language. It's the frameworks that matter. I used to hate JS with a passion, but the momentum around it is undeniable and the things people accomplish with frameworks on top of it are staggering. David Connors da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
Greg. All machine languages are just wrappers for microcode [?] Preet On 14 February 2014 14:00, GregAtGregLowDotCom g...@greglow.com wrote: Isn’t it all just perspective ? All other languages are just wrappers around machine code anyway. J “Resistance is futile” “Any problem in computing can be solved by another layer of abstraction. And any performance problem in computing can be solved by removing one layer of abstraction.” Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes *Sent:* Friday, 14 February 2014 11:42 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere) David: I think the words your seeking are JavaScript Stockholm Syndrome .. I object strongly to a language who's surrounded by frameworks that are hell bent on abstracting developers from the said language as much as possible because the said language is so far behind the evolution curve. Had JS moved to ECMA4 - ECMA6 ..sure.. i'll play along but this JS ciricle jerk that's going on because everyone's given the defeatist attitude... bleh... And yes, I will concede I see my future with me standing on the roadside way WILL CODE JS FOR CRACK... --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:23 AM, David Connors da...@connors.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: better, faster? O.o... did you just say JavaScript is better than WPF? . I said 'someone's 10kb of JS is better. JavaScript is just Internet assembly language. It's the frameworks that matter. I used to hate JS with a passion, but the momentum around it is undeniable and the things people accomplish with frameworks on top of it are staggering. David Connors da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors -- regards, Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland 338.gif
Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
Where's my soldering iron... On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Preet Sangha preetsan...@gmail.com wrote: Greg. All machine languages are just wrappers for microcode [?] Preet On 14 February 2014 14:00, GregAtGregLowDotCom g...@greglow.com wrote: Isn’t it all just perspective ? All other languages are just wrappers around machine code anyway. J “Resistance is futile” “Any problem in computing can be solved by another layer of abstraction. And any performance problem in computing can be solved by removing one layer of abstraction.” Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes *Sent:* Friday, 14 February 2014 11:42 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere) David: I think the words your seeking are JavaScript Stockholm Syndrome .. I object strongly to a language who's surrounded by frameworks that are hell bent on abstracting developers from the said language as much as possible because the said language is so far behind the evolution curve. Had JS moved to ECMA4 - ECMA6 ..sure.. i'll play along but this JS ciricle jerk that's going on because everyone's given the defeatist attitude... bleh... And yes, I will concede I see my future with me standing on the roadside way WILL CODE JS FOR CRACK... --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:23 AM, David Connors da...@connors.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: better, faster? O.o... did you just say JavaScript is better than WPF? . I said 'someone's 10kb of JS is better. JavaScript is just Internet assembly language. It's the frameworks that matter. I used to hate JS with a passion, but the momentum around it is undeniable and the things people accomplish with frameworks on top of it are staggering. David Connors da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors -- regards, Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland inline: 338.gif
RE: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
Yeah, I was limiting it to the level of the microprocessor. No interest in actually building or coding inside there nowadays. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax SQL Down Under | Web: http://www.sqldownunder.com/ www.sqldownunder.com From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Friday, 14 February 2014 1:11 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere) Where's my soldering iron... On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Preet Sangha preetsan...@gmail.com mailto:preetsan...@gmail.com wrote: Greg. All machine languages are just wrappers for microcode Preet On 14 February 2014 14:00, GregAtGregLowDotCom g...@greglow.com mailto:g...@greglow.com wrote: Isn’t it all just perspective ? All other languages are just wrappers around machine code anyway. :) “Resistance is futile” “Any problem in computing can be solved by another layer of abstraction. And any performance problem in computing can be solved by removing one layer of abstraction.” Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 tel:%2B61%20419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 tel:%2B61%203%208676%204913 fax SQL Down Under | Web: http://www.sqldownunder.com/ www.sqldownunder.com From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Friday, 14 February 2014 11:42 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere) David: I think the words your seeking are JavaScript Stockholm Syndrome .. I object strongly to a language who's surrounded by frameworks that are hell bent on abstracting developers from the said language as much as possible because the said language is so far behind the evolution curve. Had JS moved to ECMA4 - ECMA6 ..sure.. i'll play along but this JS ciricle jerk that's going on because everyone's given the defeatist attitude... bleh... And yes, I will concede I see my future with me standing on the roadside way WILL CODE JS FOR CRACK... --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:23 AM, David Connors da...@connors.com mailto:da...@connors.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com mailto:scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: better, faster? O.o... did you just say JavaScript is better than WPF? . I said 'someone's 10kb of JS is better. JavaScript is just Internet assembly language. It's the frameworks that matter. I used to hate JS with a passion, but the momentum around it is undeniable and the things people accomplish with frameworks on top of it are staggering. David Connors mailto:da...@connors.com da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 tel:%2B61%20417%20189%20363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors -- regards, Preet, Overlooking the Ocean, Auckland image001.gif
Re: [OT] Favourite Coding Album
Thanks Nathan, will check it out. Jason Roberts Journeyman Software Developer Twitter: @robertsjason Blog: http://DontCodeTired.com Pluralsight Courses: http://bit.ly/psjasonroberts From: Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 14 February 2014 6:48 AM To: ozDotNet Maybe use something like Grooveshark’s collaborative playlists so it’s not just for the Win8 crowd? http://help.grooveshark.com/customer/portal/articles/528163-collaborative-playlists From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of osjasonrobe...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, 13 February 2014 3:17 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Favourite Coding Album Hope to - gonna blog the results which should be fun - anyone know if you can create Xbox Music playlists to share (or other ways to create sharable playlists??) Jason Roberts Journeyman Software Developer Twitter: @robertsjason Blog: http://DontCodeTired.com Pluralsight Courses: http://bit.ly/psjasonroberts From: mike smith Sent: Thursday, 13 February 2014 12:15 PM To: ozDotNet Going to makeup a playlist for us at the end? On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.com wrote: If only the chicks were really for free! On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:12 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: Worked for me (now listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0feature=kp ) Damn, I love that guitar! On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:00 PM, osjasonrobe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, thought it would be cool to write a fun blog post with programmers fave albums I used Excel web app survey to create it which is pretty cool http://bit.ly/programmermusicsurvey Spread the word, will be cool to see the results Jason Roberts Journeyman Software Developer Twitter: @robertsjason Blog: http://DontCodeTired.com Pluralsight Courses: http://bit.ly/psjasonroberts -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills Click here to report this email as spam. This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.com
Re: Advice to Microsoft (not mine - the IT press and developer blogosphere)
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote: David: I think the words your seeking are JavaScript Stockholm Syndrome .. I object strongly to a language who's surrounded by frameworks that are hell bent on abstracting developers from the said language as much as possible because the said language is so far behind the evolution curve. Had JS moved to ECMA4 - ECMA6 ..sure.. i'll play along but this JS ciricle jerk that's going on because everyone's given the defeatist attitude... bleh... And yes, I will concede I see my future with me standing on the roadside way WILL CODE JS FOR CRACK... Frameworks like AngularJS aren't designed to abstract developers from the language. For all its faults and however badly it started out, JS has been hardened in the market to fit a lot of use cases. In terms of the *outcomes* you can create with it and a modern browser, it is exceeding the capabilities of most other ways of getting apps in the hands of users. It might not be as elegant as C# and WPF, but WPF is obscenely slow, platform bound ... and dead. No user of your application gives a shit what the source code looks like, so long as it exceeds their expectations and provides values. Thems where the money is. David.
[OT] Internet Explorer caching
My colleague has terrible trouble with the cache in his Windows 7 IE11. Every time we change a XAP file or web site he seems to get stuck on the previous version and can't shake them out by the usual methods of deleting temp files. After a random number of days the new stuff suddenly appears. Chrome and Firefox pick up the changes, but not his IE. No one else suffers from the problem. In cases like this you'd normally reinstall the software, but IE is glued inside Windows. Is there some way of forcing IE back to factory settings or getting some effect that is as dramatic as a reinstall? *Greg K*
Re: [OT] Internet Explorer caching
You can trick the browser by appending a version to the download url (of the XAP). That way when you update the XAP the version number is different and the browser will cache the new version and not get stuck on the old one. On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: My colleague has terrible trouble with the cache in his Windows 7 IE11. Every time we change a XAP file or web site he seems to get stuck on the previous version and can't shake them out by the usual methods of deleting temp files. After a random number of days the new stuff suddenly appears. Chrome and Firefox pick up the changes, but not his IE. No one else suffers from the problem. In cases like this you'd normally reinstall the software, but IE is glued inside Windows. Is there some way of forcing IE back to factory settings or getting some effect that is as dramatic as a reinstall? *Greg K*
Fwd: [OT] Internet Explorer caching
Forget my previous question. IE has a reset button right under your nose. I don't think I've ever used it or even noticed it before. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923737 I'll get my colleague to try that. It makes you wonder why such a command might be necessary?! Greg
Re: [OT] Internet Explorer caching
You can trick the browser by appending a version to the download url (of the XAP). Indeed! Starting a few days ago I put the version number inside the full XAP file name to help avoid unwanted caching. We've been running experiments with 4 people and getting improved but still occasional unpredictable caching problems. One guy's IE shows the old app, another has Chome stuck but not his IE, and so on. One chap put ?foo=bar on the URL and it woke up the new version. So it's all a bit of a dog's breakfast. However, I feel that changing the XAP file name on each release can only make things better. The chap with the dodgy IE11 did a full reset and reboot but it had no effect. Greg
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Re: [OT] Internet Explorer caching
Ok, I know about F12 and its fantastic user-agent settings, but ... they don't persist. What I'd like is to affix a user agent setting for a given url or suburl. (this is to make a dreadful intraweb app that insists on IE8 or older UA setting - it works happily with 11, it just won't start if thats in the UA ) :( On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: You can trick the browser by appending a version to the download url (of the XAP). Indeed! Starting a few days ago I put the version number inside the full XAP file name to help avoid unwanted caching. We've been running experiments with 4 people and getting improved but still occasional unpredictable caching problems. One guy's IE shows the old app, another has Chome stuck but not his IE, and so on. One chap put ?foo=bar on the URL and it woke up the new version. So it's all a bit of a dog's breakfast. However, I feel that changing the XAP file name on each release can only make things better. The chap with the dodgy IE11 did a full reset and reboot but it had no effect. Greg -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
