Re: Ozdotnet list

[Stephen Price]

Hey Matt,


I'm not much into Reddit. I think the attraction here (and the primary 
requirement) is that it's email based.


I'm on another group that was hosted in Google Groups but I had turned off the 
emails so forgot I was on it. A few weeks ago they moved to Discourse and I've 
noticed the emails coming in now, kind of a digest thread, but I like the 
format. It has links if you want to jump to the web interface but you can just 
reply as well.

Also there is a Discourse mobile app which lets you hook into any Discourse 
sites (as well as the web being mobile friendly).

So I think technology has finally caught up with  our needs. We looked into 
this kind of move some years ago but nothing fit as well as this seems to. Time 
will tell, of course!


In response to Emily, I've noticed a few Aussie devs go overseas and seen they 
remained on the list. Great tie back to home, as you say! That's great to hear. 
[]


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of Matthew Lam 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 10:37:30 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Ozdotnet list

Hi all, Been following since I started my career too. Wouldn't a Reddit channel 
work well here? And you still get the benefit of getting a lot of the nice 
things like being notified on my phone..

Cheers Matt

On 4 Apr 2017 10:15 PM, "Stephen Price" 
> wrote:

If it pans out how I hope, the crowd will be right here in your inbox where you 
left em.

If it doesn't do elist then its a fail and we'll leave it as it is.


Doesn't mean we can't create a pretty website (if we don't go with Discourse) 
and put together some stickers and tshirts etc. Spread the word around and get 
more members. I'd like to get Discourse up and running first as I think it 
would be better for new members to not have to change a week after joining the 
list.


Dang, my oldest email goes back to 02/12/2002. That's impressive. A lot has 
changed over the years!

You guys are awesome, this list has helped me heaps over those 15ish years.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
> on behalf 
of Adrian Halid >
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 7:29:33 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Ozdotnet list

Will follow the crowd. +1 for the email list format.


Regards

Adrian Halid

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of noonie
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 7:24 PM
To: ozDotNet >
Subject: Re: Ozdotnet list

Happy to move and follow the crowd. I really do like the list format though.

Gmail does a really good job with it and I'm afraid that I might just slide 
away if I had to visit yet another website :-p

Lists are old fashioned but, like bow ties, they're still cool after all these 
years.

--
noonie




On 3 Apr. 2017 17:00, "Stephen Price" 
> wrote:

It's been some years since the big move to Mr Connors gracious hosting of the 
eList. Thanks for that by the way David!

For whatever reason it lives on, despite the low traffic. Perhaps it's the 
entertainment value of people who live/vent there. Hard to measure. I expect 
David would have a way to tell how many people are still on the list.

I do think Aussie developers deserve/need our own identity, and our own 
community. Well, it does exist but I do wonder if other forums might better 
suit the needs (and yet still we are here with people subscribed...).

As an Admin of the current group (workload of said role is rather low. ie It's 
been almost ten years since I had to do anything Admin like. The Admin list 
seems to be gone)

I've noticed that Discourse.org now exists and is open source. And Free. And 
has code highlighting built in. And also has elist delivery out of the box. As 
well as a web interface if that floats your boat. Ticks all the boxes from what 
we were looking for many years ago.

Full feature list is here https://www.discourse.org/about/

I'd like to propose we move to it and actively promote it once it's all up and 
running. Given the lists currently existing cover a few different topics, not 
just AusDotNet, we should move them all over. Except Silverlight. Don't even 
talk to me about that. Just don't. Ok?

Seriously, stop looking at me.

So how do we brand it? OzDev? Did we ever end up with a domain name? It would 
be a good time to get one if not.

The best part about this is David will have to do most of the work, but if we 
still have any Admins left on this list (maybe it's just me and David?) 
assistance would be good, just put your hand up.

I have a fond 

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Emily Waghorne]

Hello everyone,

I haven't posted for ages either, partially I think because the (extreme!)
specifics of what I'm doing are usually covered elsewhere, but where I
think this group really excels with the higher level discussions - I am
still learning about new options via the list and I really like the local
factor (and even took it overseas with me when I worked overseas for a
while - like a thread to home). I will follow the crowd, and maybe even try
to contribute a bit more since you've brought us all out of our shells with
this question Stephen!

Emily

On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 at 00:37 Matthew Lam  wrote:

> Hi all, Been following since I started my career too. Wouldn't a Reddit
> channel work well here? And you still get the benefit of getting a lot of
> the nice things like being notified on my phone..
>
> Cheers Matt
>
> On 4 Apr 2017 10:15 PM, "Stephen Price"  wrote:
>
> If it pans out how I hope, the crowd will be right here in your inbox
> where you left em.
>
> If it doesn't do elist then its a fail and we'll leave it as it is.
>
>
> Doesn't mean we can't create a pretty website (if we don't go with
> Discourse) and put together some stickers and tshirts etc. Spread the word
> around and get more members. I'd like to get Discourse up and running first
> as I think it would be better for new members to not have to change a week
> after joining the list.
>
>
> Dang, my oldest email goes back to 02/12/2002. That's impressive. A lot
> has changed over the years!
> You guys are awesome, this list has helped me heaps over those 15ish
> years.
>
> --
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on
> behalf of Adrian Halid 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 April 2017 7:29:33 PM
> *To:* 'ozDotNet'
> *Subject:* RE: Ozdotnet list
>
>
> Will follow the crowd. +1 for the email list format.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Adrian Halid
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 April 2017 7:24 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* Re: Ozdotnet list
>
>
>
> Happy to move and follow the crowd. I really do like the list format
> though.
>
>
>
> Gmail does a really good job with it and I'm afraid that I might just
> slide away if I had to visit yet another website :-p
>
>
>
> Lists are old fashioned but, like bow ties, they're still cool after all
> these years.
>
>
>
> --
>
> noonie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3 Apr. 2017 17:00, "Stephen Price"  wrote:
>
> It's been some years since the big move to Mr Connors gracious hosting of
> the eList. Thanks for that by the way David!
>
>
>
> For whatever reason it lives on, despite the low traffic. Perhaps it's the
> entertainment value of people who live/vent there. Hard to measure. I
> expect David would have a way to tell how many people are still on the
> list.
>
>
>
> I do think Aussie developers deserve/need our own identity, and our own
> community. Well, it does exist but I do wonder if other forums might better
> suit the needs (and yet still we are here with people subscribed...).
>
>
>
> As an Admin of the current group (workload of said role is rather low. ie
> It's been almost ten years since I had to do anything Admin like. The Admin
> list seems to be gone)
>
>
>
> I've noticed that Discourse.org now exists and is open source. And Free.
> And has code highlighting built in. And also has elist delivery out of the
> box. As well as a web interface if that floats your boat. Ticks all the
> boxes from what we were looking for many years ago.
>
>
>
> Full feature list is here https://www.discourse.org/about/
>
>
>
> I'd like to propose we move to it and actively promote it once it's all up
> and running. Given the lists currently existing cover a few different
> topics, not just AusDotNet, we should move them all over. Except
> Silverlight. Don't even talk to me about that. Just don't. Ok?
>
>
>
> Seriously, stop looking at me.
>
>
>
> So how do we brand it? OzDev? Did we ever end up with a domain name? It
> would be a good time to get one if not.
>
>
>
> The best part about this is David will have to do most of the work, but if
> we still have any Admins left on this list (maybe it's just me and David?)
> assistance would be good, just put your hand up.
>
>
>
> I have a fond memory of the AusDotNet list and have been on it for my
> entire developer career. It's been invaluable. Time to bring it kicking and
> screaming into the Internet of today, a limelight for fellow Aussie
> developers both existing, and yet to be. We have a big community and I'd
> like to be able to give back to it.
>
>
>
> Will do some work on a logo (or outsource it to my daughter who'd doing a
> graphic design degree)...
>
>
>
> Discuss.
>
> Stephen
>
>

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Matthew Lam]

Hi all, Been following since I started my career too. Wouldn't a Reddit
channel work well here? And you still get the benefit of getting a lot of
the nice things like being notified on my phone..

Cheers Matt

On 4 Apr 2017 10:15 PM, "Stephen Price"  wrote:

> If it pans out how I hope, the crowd will be right here in your inbox
> where you left em.
>
> If it doesn't do elist then its a fail and we'll leave it as it is.
>
>
> Doesn't mean we can't create a pretty website (if we don't go with
> Discourse) and put together some stickers and tshirts etc. Spread the word
> around and get more members. I'd like to get Discourse up and running first
> as I think it would be better for new members to not have to change a week
> after joining the list.
>
>
> Dang, my oldest email goes back to 02/12/2002. That's impressive. A lot
> has changed over the years!
> You guys are awesome, this list has helped me heaps over those 15ish
> years.
>
> --
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on
> behalf of Adrian Halid 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 April 2017 7:29:33 PM
> *To:* 'ozDotNet'
> *Subject:* RE: Ozdotnet list
>
>
> Will follow the crowd. +1 for the email list format.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Adrian Halid
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@
> ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 April 2017 7:24 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* Re: Ozdotnet list
>
>
>
> Happy to move and follow the crowd. I really do like the list format
> though.
>
>
>
> Gmail does a really good job with it and I'm afraid that I might just
> slide away if I had to visit yet another website :-p
>
>
>
> Lists are old fashioned but, like bow ties, they're still cool after all
> these years.
>
>
>
> --
>
> noonie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3 Apr. 2017 17:00, "Stephen Price"  wrote:
>
> It's been some years since the big move to Mr Connors gracious hosting of
> the eList. Thanks for that by the way David!
>
>
>
> For whatever reason it lives on, despite the low traffic. Perhaps it's the
> entertainment value of people who live/vent there. Hard to measure. I
> expect David would have a way to tell how many people are still on the
> list.
>
>
>
> I do think Aussie developers deserve/need our own identity, and our own
> community. Well, it does exist but I do wonder if other forums might better
> suit the needs (and yet still we are here with people subscribed...).
>
>
>
> As an Admin of the current group (workload of said role is rather low. ie
> It's been almost ten years since I had to do anything Admin like. The Admin
> list seems to be gone)
>
>
>
> I've noticed that Discourse.org now exists and is open source. And Free.
> And has code highlighting built in. And also has elist delivery out of the
> box. As well as a web interface if that floats your boat. Ticks all the
> boxes from what we were looking for many years ago.
>
>
>
> Full feature list is here https://www.discourse.org/about/
>
>
>
> I'd like to propose we move to it and actively promote it once it's all up
> and running. Given the lists currently existing cover a few different
> topics, not just AusDotNet, we should move them all over. Except
> Silverlight. Don't even talk to me about that. Just don't. Ok?
>
>
>
> Seriously, stop looking at me.
>
>
>
> So how do we brand it? OzDev? Did we ever end up with a domain name? It
> would be a good time to get one if not.
>
>
>
> The best part about this is David will have to do most of the work, but if
> we still have any Admins left on this list (maybe it's just me and David?)
> assistance would be good, just put your hand up.
>
>
>
> I have a fond memory of the AusDotNet list and have been on it for my
> entire developer career. It's been invaluable. Time to bring it kicking and
> screaming into the Internet of today, a limelight for fellow Aussie
> developers both existing, and yet to be. We have a big community and I'd
> like to be able to give back to it.
>
>
>
> Will do some work on a logo (or outsource it to my daughter who'd doing a
> graphic design degree)...
>
>
>
> Discuss.
>
> Stephen
>
>

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Stephen Price]

If it pans out how I hope, the crowd will be right here in your inbox where you 
left em.

If it doesn't do elist then its a fail and we'll leave it as it is.


Doesn't mean we can't create a pretty website (if we don't go with Discourse) 
and put together some stickers and tshirts etc. Spread the word around and get 
more members. I'd like to get Discourse up and running first as I think it 
would be better for new members to not have to change a week after joining the 
list.


Dang, my oldest email goes back to 02/12/2002. That's impressive. A lot has 
changed over the years!

You guys are awesome, this list has helped me heaps over those 15ish years.


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on behalf 
of Adrian Halid 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 7:29:33 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Ozdotnet list

Will follow the crowd. +1 for the email list format.


Regards

Adrian Halid

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of noonie
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 7:24 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Ozdotnet list

Happy to move and follow the crowd. I really do like the list format though.

Gmail does a really good job with it and I'm afraid that I might just slide 
away if I had to visit yet another website :-p

Lists are old fashioned but, like bow ties, they're still cool after all these 
years.

--
noonie




On 3 Apr. 2017 17:00, "Stephen Price" 
> wrote:

It's been some years since the big move to Mr Connors gracious hosting of the 
eList. Thanks for that by the way David!

For whatever reason it lives on, despite the low traffic. Perhaps it's the 
entertainment value of people who live/vent there. Hard to measure. I expect 
David would have a way to tell how many people are still on the list.

I do think Aussie developers deserve/need our own identity, and our own 
community. Well, it does exist but I do wonder if other forums might better 
suit the needs (and yet still we are here with people subscribed...).

As an Admin of the current group (workload of said role is rather low. ie It's 
been almost ten years since I had to do anything Admin like. The Admin list 
seems to be gone)

I've noticed that Discourse.org now exists and is open source. And Free. And 
has code highlighting built in. And also has elist delivery out of the box. As 
well as a web interface if that floats your boat. Ticks all the boxes from what 
we were looking for many years ago.

Full feature list is here https://www.discourse.org/about/

I'd like to propose we move to it and actively promote it once it's all up and 
running. Given the lists currently existing cover a few different topics, not 
just AusDotNet, we should move them all over. Except Silverlight. Don't even 
talk to me about that. Just don't. Ok?

Seriously, stop looking at me.

So how do we brand it? OzDev? Did we ever end up with a domain name? It would 
be a good time to get one if not.

The best part about this is David will have to do most of the work, but if we 
still have any Admins left on this list (maybe it's just me and David?) 
assistance would be good, just put your hand up.

I have a fond memory of the AusDotNet list and have been on it for my entire 
developer career. It's been invaluable. Time to bring it kicking and screaming 
into the Internet of today, a limelight for fellow Aussie developers both 
existing, and yet to be. We have a big community and I'd like to be able to 
give back to it.

Will do some work on a logo (or outsource it to my daughter who'd doing a 
graphic design degree)...

Discuss.
Stephen

RE: Ozdotnet list

[Adrian Halid]

Will follow the crowd. +1 for the email list format.

 

 

Regards

 

Adrian Halid

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of noonie
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 7:24 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Re: Ozdotnet list

 

Happy to move and follow the crowd. I really do like the list format though. 

 

Gmail does a really good job with it and I'm afraid that I might just slide 
away if I had to visit yet another website :-p

 

Lists are old fashioned but, like bow ties, they're still cool after all these 
years.

 

-- 

noonie

 

 

 

 

On 3 Apr. 2017 17:00, "Stephen Price"  > wrote:

It's been some years since the big move to Mr Connors gracious hosting of the 
eList. Thanks for that by the way David! 

 

For whatever reason it lives on, despite the low traffic. Perhaps it's the 
entertainment value of people who live/vent there. Hard to measure. I expect 
David would have a way to tell how many people are still on the list. 

 

I do think Aussie developers deserve/need our own identity, and our own 
community. Well, it does exist but I do wonder if other forums might better 
suit the needs (and yet still we are here with people subscribed...). 

 

As an Admin of the current group (workload of said role is rather low. ie It's 
been almost ten years since I had to do anything Admin like. The Admin list 
seems to be gone) 

 

I've noticed that Discourse.org now exists and is open source. And Free. And 
has code highlighting built in. And also has elist delivery out of the box. As 
well as a web interface if that floats your boat. Ticks all the boxes from what 
we were looking for many years ago. 

 

Full feature list is here   
https://www.discourse.org/about/

 

I'd like to propose we move to it and actively promote it once it's all up and 
running. Given the lists currently existing cover a few different topics, not 
just AusDotNet, we should move them all over. Except Silverlight. Don't even 
talk to me about that. Just don't. Ok?

 

Seriously, stop looking at me. 

 

So how do we brand it? OzDev? Did we ever end up with a domain name? It would 
be a good time to get one if not. 

 

The best part about this is David will have to do most of the work, but if we 
still have any Admins left on this list (maybe it's just me and David?) 
assistance would be good, just put your hand up. 

 

I have a fond memory of the AusDotNet list and have been on it for my entire 
developer career. It's been invaluable. Time to bring it kicking and screaming 
into the Internet of today, a limelight for fellow Aussie developers both 
existing, and yet to be. We have a big community and I'd like to be able to 
give back to it.

 

Will do some work on a logo (or outsource it to my daughter who'd doing a 
graphic design degree)...

 

Discuss.

Stephen 

Re: Ozdotnet list

[noonie]

Happy to move and follow the crowd. I really do like the list format
though.

Gmail does a really good job with it and I'm afraid that I might just slide
away if I had to visit yet another website :-p

Lists are old fashioned but, like bow ties, they're still cool after all
these years.

-- 
noonie




On 3 Apr. 2017 17:00, "Stephen Price"  wrote:

> It's been some years since the big move to Mr Connors gracious hosting of
> the eList. Thanks for that by the way David!
>
> For whatever reason it lives on, despite the low traffic. Perhaps it's the
> entertainment value of people who live/vent there. Hard to measure. I
> expect David would have a way to tell how many people are still on the
> list.
>
> I do think Aussie developers deserve/need our own identity, and our own
> community. Well, it does exist but I do wonder if other forums might better
> suit the needs (and yet still we are here with people subscribed...).
>
> As an Admin of the current group (workload of said role is rather low. ie
> It's been almost ten years since I had to do anything Admin like. The Admin
> list seems to be gone)
>
> I've noticed that Discourse.org now exists and is open source. And Free.
> And has code highlighting built in. And also has elist delivery out of the
> box. As well as a web interface if that floats your boat. Ticks all the
> boxes from what we were looking for many years ago.
>
> Full feature list is here https://www.discourse.org/about/
>
> I'd like to propose we move to it and actively promote it once it's all up
> and running. Given the lists currently existing cover a few different
> topics, not just AusDotNet, we should move them all over. Except
> Silverlight. Don't even talk to me about that. Just don't. Ok?
>
> Seriously, stop looking at me.
>
> So how do we brand it? OzDev? Did we ever end up with a domain name? It
> would be a good time to get one if not.
>
> The best part about this is David will have to do most of the work, but if
> we still have any Admins left on this list (maybe it's just me and David?)
> assistance would be good, just put your hand up.
>
> I have a fond memory of the AusDotNet list and have been on it for my
> entire developer career. It's been invaluable. Time to bring it kicking and
> screaming into the Internet of today, a limelight for fellow Aussie
> developers both existing, and yet to be. We have a big community and I'd
> like to be able to give back to it.
>
> Will do some work on a logo (or outsource it to my daughter who'd doing a
> graphic design degree)...
>
> Discuss.
> Stephen
>
>

RE: Ozdotnet list

[罗格雷格博士]

Same. I find it interesting to hear local opinions, and to follow Greg K's 
journeys 

I'm always hesitant when I see email lists move to anything that looks like a 
forum. That seems to be where discussions are organised but where they go to 
die.

Regards,
 
Greg
 
Dr Greg Low
 
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-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Les Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, 4 April 2017 8:52 PM
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: Re: Ozdotnet list

I still read occasionally, if only to see what Greg K is trying to tame next ;)

Looking through my emails, I joined Stanski's list in 2002 (15 years!? 
eeep!) and moved across when the sever was in death-throes and Connors stepped 
up. I see a few people still posting from when I started, which is a decent 
track record given the period of time.

I'm hesitant in changing anything, just because I likely wouldn't log into a 
website or whatever else to view the content, and I suspect that old habits die 
hard for many others.

Cheers everyone :)

Les

  On 04/04/17 15:18, Tony Wright wrote:
> Yep, all good if that's the case
>
> On 4 Apr 2017 1:21 PM, "Stephen Price"  > wrote:
>
> Yep, If we keep the actual list email address consistent then all we
> are changing is the implementation of said list.
>
> I think it's a good idea to keep the primary function of the elist
> as it is. Anyone currently subscribed to the list will be on the
> replacement. It should be the same list, just delivered by a
> different backend.
>
> They can remove themselves if they decide they don't like it
> (perhaps more traffic isn't what they want, or it's not applicable
> to them anymore and they forgot they were on it... whatever the
> reason).
>
>
> 
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
> 
>  > on behalf of David Connors
> >
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 April 2017 11:08:03 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: Ozdotnet list
> On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 at 13:06 Tony Wright  > wrote:
>
> That does worry me. First, I don't agree with broadening the
> scope of the list as it benefits from being niche. Secondly,
> moving to a new environment, while exciting, could spell the end
> of the list as many spectators won't bother making the move across.
>
>
> Probably pretty low risk if it can still function as an email list
> (which doco says it does).
>
>
> --
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>

Re: Ozdotnet list

[Les Hughes]

I still read occasionally, if only to see what Greg K is trying to tame 
next ;)


Looking through my emails, I joined Stanski's list in 2002 (15 years!? 
eeep!) and moved across when the sever was in death-throes and Connors 
stepped up. I see a few people still posting from when I started, which 
is a decent track record given the period of time.


I'm hesitant in changing anything, just because I likely wouldn't log 
into a website or whatever else to view the content, and I suspect that 
old habits die hard for many others.


Cheers everyone :)

Les

 On 04/04/17 15:18, Tony Wright wrote:

Yep, all good if that's the case

On 4 Apr 2017 1:21 PM, "Stephen Price" > wrote:

Yep, If we keep the actual list email address consistent then all we
are changing is the implementation of said list.

I think it's a good idea to keep the primary function of the elist
as it is. Anyone currently subscribed to the list will be on the
replacement. It should be the same list, just delivered by a
different backend.

They can remove themselves if they decide they don't like it
(perhaps more traffic isn't what they want, or it's not applicable
to them anymore and they forgot they were on it... whatever the
reason).



*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com

> on behalf of David Connors
>
*Sent:* Tuesday, 4 April 2017 11:08:03 AM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: Ozdotnet list
On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 at 13:06 Tony Wright > wrote:

That does worry me. First, I don't agree with broadening the
scope of the list as it benefits from being niche. Secondly,
moving to a new environment, while exciting, could spell the end
of the list as many spectators won't bother making the move across.


Probably pretty low risk if it can still function as an email list
(which doco says it does).


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