RE: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available
that's exactly what I'm doing, then there's always JQUERY. Anywho: I hope Palm goes the same way its developer group has gone after they STEPPED on then with their BELATED patience request. TOO LITTLE T O O O O OL A T E E E E E E E! BYE PALM.. From: phrkonale...@gmail.com To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Subject: Re: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:30:32 -0700 On Fri 17 July 2009 3:28:09 pm Dmitry Grinberg wrote: they forgot the last part oh and thanks for letting us walk all over you and marginalize you over the 2-3 year long EOL period of PalmOS, please allow us to continue this now by giving you a javascript-only SDKs that does not even allow you to distribute your apps outside of our 100%-controlled appstore BUT Apple is perfect in this respect and we should all spread love for them and hate on Palm like we were three weeks ago, right? ...right? Times change. Were developers mad when DOS was killed off for Windows? It's progress... If you don't want to do JS, then hack on the Pre from a rooted device, and have some fun in good ole GNU/Linux. Or find a different mailing list to go to and a new development system to develop on. If you don't like the 100% Palm controlled appstore, you could always develop for iPhone, on the off chance that you own a Mac. Oh wait... hm... You NEED a Mac PC AND you can still only redistribute in the iPhone apps store. Way to go for bashing Palm again, guys. Or you could release your apps as obfuscated source, or powered mostly by a backend, and let people compile things for their 'testing environment' and legally sideload them. Just because webOS killed your market for hacks, Dmitry, doesn't mean that it is a worthless platform, or anything like that. The guys at Palm did a heck of a job on mojo, and just because it's OMGNOWTF JAVASCRIPT SUX LOL doesn't make it any less of a platform than the ObjC iCrap or Java Android application suites. Ryan --- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 igor Hah! we have 2 Johnie Ingrams in the channel :) igor Hey all btw :) http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels. _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009cat=sports -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available
At 03:15 AM 7/20/2009, you wrote: Subject: Re: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available From: Lionscribe lionscr...@gmail.com You can't compare. Apple was really planning on Web applications only, and that was how they marke= twd there product. They had no need for developers, and they only released the SDK after it was ha= cked. Given the time it takes to prepare this stuff, one should presume that Apple always intended there to be an SDK, but it wasn't ready on product launch. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available
You can't compare. Apple was really planning on Web applications only, and that was how they marketwd there product. They had no need for developers, and they only released the SDK after it was hacked. We cannot blame companies if they don't want to allow extra functionality, and it's the consumer who will decide. Palm always claimed that their products are great because of the developers. This forces developers to port their product to it, otherwise they will be beaten to it by others. So you will expect that they really will want to help the developers, and that's why Dmitry is fuming. In addition, you can be sure that some developers will get preferential treatment, and they will be allowed to develop in native language, and others will be left out... -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available
Lionscribe said (on or about) 07/19/2009 12:26: You can't compare. Apple was really planning on Web applications only, and that was how they marketwd there product. They had no need for developers, and they only released the SDK after it was hacked. We cannot blame companies if they don't want to allow extra functionality, and it's the consumer who will decide. Palm always claimed that their products are great because of the developers. This forces developers to port their product to it, otherwise they will be beaten to it by others. So you will expect that they really will want to help the developers, and that's why Dmitry is fuming. In addition, you can be sure that some developers will get preferential treatment, and they will be allowed to develop in native language, and others will be left out... Not 100%. http://www.wilshipley.com/blog/2007/07/iphones-ajax-sdk-no-thank-you.html -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available
Ryan Rix said (on or about) 07/17/2009 19:30: On Fri 17 July 2009 3:28:09 pm Dmitry Grinberg wrote: they forgot the last part oh and thanks for letting us walk all over you and marginalize you over the 2-3 year long EOL period of PalmOS, please allow us to continue this now by giving you a javascript-only SDKs that does not even allow you to distribute your apps outside of our 100%-controlled appstore BUT Apple is perfect in this respect and we should all spread love for them and hate on Palm like we were three weeks ago, right? ...right? Times change. Were developers mad when DOS was killed off for Windows? It's progress... If you don't want to do JS, then hack on the Pre from a rooted device, and have some fun in good ole GNU/Linux. Or find a different mailing list to go to and a new development system to develop on. If you don't like the 100% Palm controlled appstore, you could always develop for iPhone, on the off chance that you own a Mac. Oh wait... hm... You NEED a Mac PC AND you can still only redistribute in the iPhone apps store. Way to go for bashing Palm again, guys. Or you could release your apps as obfuscated source, or powered mostly by a backend, and let people compile things for their 'testing environment' and legally sideload them. Just because webOS killed your market for hacks, Dmitry, doesn't mean that it is a worthless platform, or anything like that. The guys at Palm did a heck of a job on mojo, and just because it's OMGNOWTF JAVASCRIPT SUX LOL doesn't make it any less of a platform than the ObjC iCrap or Java Android application suites. Ryan --- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 igor Hah! we have 2 Johnie Ingrams in the channel :) igor Hey all btw :) http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels. Does anyone else remember when iPhone was new and Apple said just write web applications? -- Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities -- Voltaire -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available
Anyway, since this has become an OT thread (on a dead list), I might as well hijack it. Anyone know any details on when/how devs like up will be able to distribute apps? Will it be free, or will they be stupid like apple and charge a $99 fee? You can already submit free apps. I heard that paid submissions will be starting August. Mikhail Barashkov Handydev -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available
At 03:15 AM 7/18/2009, you wrote: Subject: Re: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available From: Christopher Stamper christopherstam...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:02:26 -0400 X-Message-Number: 7 On Friday, July 17, 2009, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri 17 July 2009 4:51:11 pm Lionscribe wrote: Ryan, you sound like you voted for OBAMA and his socialism. also, fwiw, I didn't vote for anyone. Being 17 kinda keeps you from doing that. What?! Ryan Rix is only 17? I thought I was the only one... :-) Anyway, since this has become an OT thread (on a dead list), I might as well hijack it. Anyone know any details on when/how devs like up will be able to distribute apps? Will it be free, or will they be stupid like apple and charge a $99 fee? The only public statement is in the fall. But they will be putting free apps up now and haven't indicated a charge for that. We don't know whether there'll be a charge in the future for free or chargeable apps. Since they'll incur a resource cost on evaluating apps for inclusion in the App Catalog it'd make sense to make a small charge submissions, but that's just me extrapolating. Roger Stringer Marietta Systems, Inc. (www.rf-tp.com) -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available
On Sat 18 July 2009 3:25:47 am Don Albertson wrote: Does anyone else remember when iPhone was new and Apple said just write web applications Exactly the point I was trying to make. --- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 I'm an idiot.. At least this [bug] took about 5 minutes to find.. Disquieting ... -- Gonzalo Tornaria in response to Linus Torvalds's http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available
they forgot the last part oh and thanks for letting us walk all over you and marginalize you over the 2-3 year long EOL period of PalmOS, please allow us to continue this now by giving you a javascript-only SDKs that does not even allow you to distribute your apps outside of our 100%-controlled appstore Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Lionscribelionscr...@gmail.com wrote: I just got this email; As an applicant for the Palm webOS Mojo SDK early access program, we wanted you to be among the first to know that the Mojo SDK is now publicly available. This is a very exciting and important stage for Palm webOS development, and we want you to be part of it. We’re opening the doors to the SDK by launching a new developer portal at http://developer.palm.com called webOSdev, where you can download the SDK and accompanying documentation, and join the public webOS community forums. I want to thank you for your patience while we allowed a few developers to kick the tires on our APIs, tools and docs before we released them to the rest of the world. We’re working hard to ensure that Palm webOS becomes a world-class platform for application development, but we need to do so in a measured and focused way so we can be sure we’re providing a great development experience and attentive developer support.We know that a thriving app marketplace and a vibrant developer ecosystem are critical to the success of Palm webOS, and that relies largely on you. We think we have something amazing here, and we’re inviting you to join the Palm webOS community and help us fulfill the potential of this compelling new platform. Welcome! -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available
On Fri 17 July 2009 3:28:09 pm Dmitry Grinberg wrote: they forgot the last part oh and thanks for letting us walk all over you and marginalize you over the 2-3 year long EOL period of PalmOS, please allow us to continue this now by giving you a javascript-only SDKs that does not even allow you to distribute your apps outside of our 100%-controlled appstore BUT Apple is perfect in this respect and we should all spread love for them and hate on Palm like we were three weeks ago, right? ...right? Times change. Were developers mad when DOS was killed off for Windows? It's progress... If you don't want to do JS, then hack on the Pre from a rooted device, and have some fun in good ole GNU/Linux. Or find a different mailing list to go to and a new development system to develop on. If you don't like the 100% Palm controlled appstore, you could always develop for iPhone, on the off chance that you own a Mac. Oh wait... hm... You NEED a Mac PC AND you can still only redistribute in the iPhone apps store. Way to go for bashing Palm again, guys. Or you could release your apps as obfuscated source, or powered mostly by a backend, and let people compile things for their 'testing environment' and legally sideload them. Just because webOS killed your market for hacks, Dmitry, doesn't mean that it is a worthless platform, or anything like that. The guys at Palm did a heck of a job on mojo, and just because it's OMGNOWTF JAVASCRIPT SUX LOL doesn't make it any less of a platform than the ObjC iCrap or Java Android application suites. Ryan --- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 igor Hah! we have 2 Johnie Ingrams in the channel :) igor Hey all btw :) http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available
Ryan, you sound like you voted for OBAMA and his socialism. Palm is forcing users to update their OS within 10 days, so any Hacks won't work, as Palm would exclude them on the next update. That is the method of the Obama Socialists, the powers supposedly know better than the people, and they make the decisions for them. Dmitry was born in a socialist country, and he knows that it stinks, and that the people know better... Way to go. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available
On Fri 17 July 2009 4:51:11 pm Lionscribe wrote: Ryan, you sound like you voted for OBAMA and his socialism. Palm is forcing users to update their OS within 10 days, so any Hacks won't work, as Palm would exclude them on the next update. That is the method of the Obama Socialists, the powers supposedly know better than the people, and they make the decisions for them. Dmitry was born in a socialist country, and he knows that it stinks, and that the people know better... Way to go. Lionscribe, you sound like you're trying to turn a discusiion on Palm into a political flame war. That is the method of mailing list trolls. Way to go making this political and destroying any hope of a rational discussion. In a more rational response: Palm has laid off on forcing the users to update (after the first uproar about it) so check your facts. And even if they do this, is this such a bad thing? Dmitry's whole business (which I respect greatly) is on 'fixing PalmOS one app at a time' or something (it was his 1src sig at one point), and is it so wrong for Palm to actually do this themselves? I mean, shit, many PalmOS users moaned and complained about even having to user Dmitry's apps, because they viewed Palm as irresponsible and abandoning the platform. So, grow the hell up and make up your freaking mind. As for 'socialism,' progress != socialism, imo, though in some cases socialism can create progress. That, however, is not the topic of this forum. YOu have to remember that not only does Palm have to keep its users happy, it has to keep its providers happy as well. Unhappy Sprint == Unhappy Palm. It sucks, but that's how things are in the world of cellphones, where companies believe that they are still Ma Bell (which is, imo, the farthest thing from a 'socialist' situation; Ma Bell was capitalism at its worst.) Please keep political discussion off of this board as it has nothing to do with the topic. Or take it to private email if you must. Ryan --- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 Yeah, Linus is in the US. His source trees are in Finland. OK, someone give him access -fast- .. ;-) -- bab...@nwrain.net, because of problems with the kernel http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available
On Fri 17 July 2009 4:51:11 pm Lionscribe wrote: Ryan, you sound like you voted for OBAMA and his socialism. also, fwiw, I didn't vote for anyone. Being 17 kinda keeps you from doing that. -- --- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 NE-2000 clone. Pentium optimizing gcc (pentium gcc pl8 I think). Build a kernel with the proper gcc. Reports with a non standard compiler are useless. -- Alan Cox http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Palm WebOS SDK publicly available
On Friday, July 17, 2009, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri 17 July 2009 4:51:11 pm Lionscribe wrote: Ryan, you sound like you voted for OBAMA and his socialism. also, fwiw, I didn't vote for anyone. Being 17 kinda keeps you from doing that. What?! Ryan Rix is only 17? I thought I was the only one... :-) Anyway, since this has become an OT thread (on a dead list), I might as well hijack it. Anyone know any details on when/how devs like up will be able to distribute apps? Will it be free, or will they be stupid like apple and charge a $99 fee? -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
