Re: Thoughts on the New Victor reader Stream?

2013-09-23 Thread Aidan
I think you were to quick to judge the speaker in the first place, to
just listen or read one or two reviews from access world is not
enough. You should also investigate furder than that. Sometimes some
of those reviews don't contain enough info, like the latest review I
red on the ptn2. Maybe you should go find a demo and here it out. Its
defnitly better than the older model, not sure how it compare to
plextalk, but anything better than the older model I consider as an
improvement. I agree about your remarks about the mountbatten though.
Its just that it would be crazy to buy a voice sense if your main goal
would be to use it to listen books. Not really smart as a NoteTaker is
ment to do so much more.

On 23/09/2013, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 Thanks for that and I do appreciate your comments regarding the sound of the
 internal speaker, I'll investigate again.


 On 23/09/2013, at 11:02 AM, Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com wrote:

 No, Dane. I was suggesting that the revision distributed by HW after the
 review you read apparently improved the speaker quality. Like you, I
 assume that the quality before then was bad. That review made me balk at
 buying the new Stream until I read about  the improvements and spoke to an
 HW tech guy who sounded honest and reliable. Everyone who has heard my
 Stream speaker is impressed, considering its size.

 I find HW to be responsive to user suggestions, and they seem to
 incorporate them pretty quickly.

 I believe Aidan's and other lister comments make a good case for the
 Stream as a first-rate device for reading books and other materials. You
 can pause it on the proverbial dime, fast-forward and rewind in reliable
 increments, set bookmarks and so much more.

 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
 Trethowan
 Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:28 PM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Thoughts on the New Victor reader Stream?

 Nothing like hands-on experience, so the sound from the internal speaker
 of the Victor Reader Stream isn't muffled? I wonder why the reviewer then
 said it was/ Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting what you're saying as
 you own a machine but I wonder if the Plextalk Pocket or the Booksense
 sounds better.

 Anything could sound better than that awful internal speaker on the older
 victor Reader stream model, that was something right out of the absolutely
 awful basket but then again, with NFB - No Friends Of The Blind - having
 input into the design? Well one really couldn't expect all that much
 better.


 On 23/09/2013, at 7:40 AM, Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com wrote:

 Appended to that Accessworld article was HumanWare's response in which
 they thank the reviewer for the suggestions and promise upcoming
 revisions to address them. HW has since put out a revision that was on
 the new Stream when I bought mine. The sound from the speaker is not
 muffled.

 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
 Trethowan
 Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:08 PM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Thoughts on the New Victor reader Stream?

 Okay, since this thread has drifted so far away from the Victor Reader
 Stream I thought I'd offer my 2 cents worth regarding Talking Book
 players.

 Regarding the Victor Reader Stream? Well I doubt I'll be getting one as
 the machine offers me nothing whatever I don't have accept for an extra
 hole burnt in my pocket I don't need.

 My assessment is based on 2 reviews I've read over the last few months in
 the Access World publication and the reviews presented in Access World
 are very independent in nature and presentation so I feel I'm reliable
 informed.

 I understand that several bugs in the new victor Reader Stream model have
 been a-dressed but this fact alone still won't convince me to buy a
 Stream, what convinces me not to buy one is the statement in the review
 articles that the speaker of the Stream - whilst far better than that
 found on the older model - is still muffled.

 As it happens I was in the right place at the right time and managed to
 purchase a VoiceSense at a perfectly reasonable price, the seller no
 longer required its use as he had fully migrated to an IOS setup.

 The Voicesense alone in my view is the best talking book player I've ever
 owned offering a Daisy player and support for just about every other
 audio format on the planet, you can even stream radio stations to it if
 they have an MP3, AAC or WMA stream.

 Now I know a new Voicesense isn't cheap but the price has come down
 considerably so given that fact and that the Voicesense has been
 specifically designed with accessibility in mind? Well all I say is that
 if you can manage to get your hands on one of these machines you'll be
 doing yourself a huge favour.

 I like the attitude of Hims Inc, the idea seems to be to allow the Sense
 machines to 

RE: Thoughts on the New Victor reader Stream?

2013-09-23 Thread Jamie Kelly

I believe the new Stream is a good alternative for those users that find the
Plextor Pocket navigation and menus to complicated. I feel there are
benefits to owning both devices if you can afford too.

I am looking forward to the Plextor Pocket Linio being available in
Australia for the Daisy Online Delivery so that Australians can stream or
download daisy books and newspapers and magazines from Vision Australia.

Jamie


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Monday, 23 September 2013 6:04 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the New Victor reader Stream?

I think you were to quick to judge the speaker in the first place, to
just listen or read one or two reviews from access world is not
enough. You should also investigate furder than that. Sometimes some
of those reviews don't contain enough info, like the latest review I
red on the ptn2. Maybe you should go find a demo and here it out. Its
defnitly better than the older model, not sure how it compare to
plextalk, but anything better than the older model I consider as an
improvement. I agree about your remarks about the mountbatten though.
Its just that it would be crazy to buy a voice sense if your main goal
would be to use it to listen books. Not really smart as a NoteTaker is
ment to do so much more.

On 23/09/2013, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 Thanks for that and I do appreciate your comments regarding the sound of
the
 internal speaker, I'll investigate again.


 On 23/09/2013, at 11:02 AM, Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com wrote:

 No, Dane. I was suggesting that the revision distributed by HW after the
 review you read apparently improved the speaker quality. Like you, I
 assume that the quality before then was bad. That review made me balk at
 buying the new Stream until I read about  the improvements and spoke to
an
 HW tech guy who sounded honest and reliable. Everyone who has heard my
 Stream speaker is impressed, considering its size.

 I find HW to be responsive to user suggestions, and they seem to
 incorporate them pretty quickly.

 I believe Aidan's and other lister comments make a good case for the
 Stream as a first-rate device for reading books and other materials. You
 can pause it on the proverbial dime, fast-forward and rewind in reliable
 increments, set bookmarks and so much more.

 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
 Trethowan
 Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:28 PM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Thoughts on the New Victor reader Stream?

 Nothing like hands-on experience, so the sound from the internal speaker
 of the Victor Reader Stream isn't muffled? I wonder why the reviewer then
 said it was/ Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting what you're saying as
 you own a machine but I wonder if the Plextalk Pocket or the Booksense
 sounds better.

 Anything could sound better than that awful internal speaker on the older
 victor Reader stream model, that was something right out of the
absolutely
 awful basket but then again, with NFB - No Friends Of The Blind - having
 input into the design? Well one really couldn't expect all that much
 better.


 On 23/09/2013, at 7:40 AM, Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com wrote:

 Appended to that Accessworld article was HumanWare's response in which
 they thank the reviewer for the suggestions and promise upcoming
 revisions to address them. HW has since put out a revision that was on
 the new Stream when I bought mine. The sound from the speaker is not
 muffled.

 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
 Trethowan
 Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:08 PM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Thoughts on the New Victor reader Stream?

 Okay, since this thread has drifted so far away from the Victor Reader
 Stream I thought I'd offer my 2 cents worth regarding Talking Book
 players.

 Regarding the Victor Reader Stream? Well I doubt I'll be getting one as
 the machine offers me nothing whatever I don't have accept for an extra
 hole burnt in my pocket I don't need.

 My assessment is based on 2 reviews I've read over the last few months
in
 the Access World publication and the reviews presented in Access World
 are very independent in nature and presentation so I feel I'm reliable
 informed.

 I understand that several bugs in the new victor Reader Stream model
have
 been a-dressed but this fact alone still won't convince me to buy a
 Stream, what convinces me not to buy one is the statement in the review
 articles that the speaker of the Stream - whilst far better than that
 found on the older model - is still muffled.

 As it happens I was in the right place at the right time and managed to
 purchase a VoiceSense at a perfectly reasonable price, the seller no
 longer required its use as he had fully migrated to an IOS setup.

 The 

Re: Thoughts on the New Victor reader Stream?

2013-09-23 Thread Brian Olesen

Hi,
there for the booksense  is better

Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse- 
From: Aidan

Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:20 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Cc: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the New Victor reader Stream?

The voice sense have older hardware. Not good enough and con't be compaired 
to other players as its a notetaker.


Sent from my iPhone


On 22 Sep 2013, at 22:42, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote:

Hi!
Hmm, booksense locks up and i have to do a reset.
/A

22 sep 2013 kl. 19:47 skrev Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net:

It could be that the  pairing is different from most bluetooth devices.
there are some devices that have a different way of pairing to the
booksense.
what happens when you try and pair the logetec to the booksense?
- Original Message - 
From: Brian Olesen br...@blindkom.dk

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the New Victor reader Stream?


HI,
Oh sad to hear, but there are so many Bluetooth profiles out there. It 
works

perfectly on a Bose bluetooth speaker bar.

Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse- 
From: Anders Holmberg

Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 12:05 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the New Victor reader Stream?

Hi!
I have the booksens and i love it.
Sadly my logitech headset seems not to work with the booksense.
/A

21 sep 2013 kl. 21:45 skrev Brian Olesen br...@blindkom.dk:

Hi,
Another more interesting unit is the one from Hims International.
It's called book sence.
This one you can connect to a speaker system via bluetooth. It has an FM
radio and is loaded with tons of other useful nice features.
But the Victor Stream 2 you asked about also is a very nice daisy 
player.

The new version even has stereo recording.

Brian
-Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 8:30 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: RE: Thoughts on the New Victor reader Stream?

Excellent summary, Aidan. I have the new Stream, but I haven't tested 
all

the features you mention, including the Wi-Fi connection. I'd add a few
notes.

First, the new Stream reports how much battery charge is left in
percentage terms, and also how much power has been restored during
recharge.

Second, when you move from shelf to shelf, the Stream remembers where 
you

were in each one even after the unit is powered down. On the old device,
the Stream remembered only where you had been when the unit shut down, 
but

not where you'd been on each shelf.

Third, for NLS users, the new Stream moves faster between titles at 
level

1.

Fourth, the speaker is significantly louder and clearer.

Fifth, the unit is smaller. As I recall, HumanWare says it's smaller by 
a

third. I didn't think it would matter, but it does.

My sixth point could go either way. The buttons are much more sensitive.
The drawback is that if I move while carrying the Stream on its strap 
and
it even lightly touches clothing or something else, a button is certain 
to

be pressed, interrupting my reading and forcing me to press a key or two
to get things going again. Despite this occasional annoyance, I like how
responsive the keys are.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Aidan
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:09 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the New Victor reader Stream?

I am going to by mine next month if all goes wel. I think the new
stream could've been a bit better, but there are enough bennifits for
me at least. First off, the old stream does only charch on the
adapter. No USB charching of any kind is supported. And that is sick
in the time we live in. So now the new stream does not just support
charching via USB, but it also charch with a pere USB adapter and only
have one port wich dubble as both an charching and connection port.
The thing I like about the new interface however, is that you can now
charch and listen wile its connected to the pc. Connect it wile the
unit is turned on, and it will charch and stil be able to play and be
usable. Turn it off and connect and turn back on again and the pc will
see it as a mass storage device like the old stream did. I am also
sick and tired of stupid Samantha and tom drink to much wisky and so
the newer acapela voices are more than usable. They really are what I
can use for long hours of reading. I love the fact that now on the new
stream you can set the sleep timer in custom incriments according to
your set time, and not only the presets they always allowed. And the
way the clock works is also very unique. They seprit the clock menus
from the regular player menu. That is ausom! Also the fact that all
features are now available on the unit without the need for a softpack
installation. And now it can do line in recording. It no longer
support recording of 3gp but mp3 and wave only. That is just fine. As

BlueRay Players

2013-09-23 Thread Dane Trethowan
Hi!

This subject is of great interest to me, I've built a Hi-Fi system for the den 
and I'm still looking around for a decent and flexible Blueray player.

I was listening to the tech show on KFWB ad a caller came in with exactly the 
same sort of question I have, Can You recommend a good BlueRay player? and 
the answer was a Sony Play Station III.

I can understand the presenters thinking here, the Play Station III has plenty 
of processing power and is updated frequently by Sony, all fair points.

Having never seen a Play station III I'm wondering if others have seen them and 
can perhaps give a brief description, I'm of the understanding that the size of 
a Play Station III is around the size of a typical set top box, is that right? 
Can the Play Station be controlled to play Blueray Discs from a remote control 
unit or perhaps buttons on the front?



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RE: BlueRay Players

2013-09-23 Thread Walter
Hi.  I've purchased the Arcam BDP300 Blue-Ray player.  It is a good machine,
large in dimentions but very high spec and very high in price.  Here in the
UK it retails at £999.  Walter.

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Trethowan
Sent: 23 September 2013 19:07
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: BlueRay Players

Hi!

This subject is of great interest to me, I've built a Hi-Fi system for the
den and I'm still looking around for a decent and flexible Blueray player.

I was listening to the tech show on KFWB ad a caller came in with exactly
the same sort of question I have, Can You recommend a good BlueRay player?
and the answer was a Sony Play Station III.

I can understand the presenters thinking here, the Play Station III has
plenty of processing power and is updated frequently by Sony, all fair
points.

Having never seen a Play station III I'm wondering if others have seen them
and can perhaps give a brief description, I'm of the understanding that the
size of a Play Station III is around the size of a typical set top box, is
that right? Can the Play Station be controlled to play Blueray Discs from a
remote control unit or perhaps buttons on the front?



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Re: BlueRay Players

2013-09-23 Thread Robert Nelson


While the PS3 may sound attractive, for us in Australia the questions that 
are probably more relevant are: will the player play disks from all regions 
and is it affordable?


I say this because I am regretting that I bought a Sony blu-ray player that 
plays Region 3 disks beautifully but won't play disks from any other region.


So, have a look at the Laser BD10803D at the following link:

http://www.laserco.net/products/audio-visual/dvd-players/BLU-BD10803D


Bob Nelson



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To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:07 AM
Subject: BlueRay Players



Hi!

This subject is of great interest to me, I've built a Hi-Fi system for the 
den and I'm still looking around for a decent and flexible Blueray player.


I was listening to the tech show on KFWB ad a caller came in with exactly 
the same sort of question I have, Can You recommend a good BlueRay 
player? and the answer was a Sony Play Station III.


I can understand the presenters thinking here, the Play Station III has 
plenty of processing power and is updated frequently by Sony, all fair 
points.


Having never seen a Play station III I'm wondering if others have seen 
them and can perhaps give a brief description, I'm of the understanding 
that the size of a Play Station III is around the size of a typical set 
top box, is that right? Can the Play Station be controlled to play Blueray 
Discs from a remote control unit or perhaps buttons on the front?




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Re: BlueRay Players

2013-09-23 Thread Dane Trethowan
That's the point of the Sony Play Station III in that the device can be easily 
updated? I'm not saying I've settled on the idea of the play Station III as yet.


On 24/09/2013, at 5:31 AM, Robert Nelson rsnel...@optusnet.com.au wrote:

 
 While the PS3 may sound attractive, for us in Australia the questions that 
 are probably more relevant are: will the player play disks from all regions 
 and is it affordable?
 
 I say this because I am regretting that I bought a Sony blu-ray player that 
 plays Region 3 disks beautifully but won't play disks from any other region.
 
 So, have a look at the Laser BD10803D at the following link:
 
 http://www.laserco.net/products/audio-visual/dvd-players/BLU-BD10803D
 
 
 Bob Nelson
 
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:07 AM
 Subject: BlueRay Players
 
 
 Hi!
 
 This subject is of great interest to me, I've built a Hi-Fi system for the 
 den and I'm still looking around for a decent and flexible Blueray player.
 
 I was listening to the tech show on KFWB ad a caller came in with exactly 
 the same sort of question I have, Can You recommend a good BlueRay player? 
 and the answer was a Sony Play Station III.
 
 I can understand the presenters thinking here, the Play Station III has 
 plenty of processing power and is updated frequently by Sony, all fair 
 points.
 
 Having never seen a Play station III I'm wondering if others have seen them 
 and can perhaps give a brief description, I'm of the understanding that the 
 size of a Play Station III is around the size of a typical set top box, is 
 that right? Can the Play Station be controlled to play Blueray Discs from a 
 remote control unit or perhaps buttons on the front?
 
 
 
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Re: BlueRay Players

2013-09-23 Thread Dane Trethowan
All i can say is Enjoy! Onkyo make some absolutely super stuff, have an Onkyo 
T9090 tuner here.

On 24/09/2013, at 5:17 AM, Walter w...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 Hi.  I've purchased the Arcam BDP300 Blue-Ray player.  It is a good machine,
 large in dimentions but very high spec and very high in price.  Here in the
 UK it retails at £999.  Walter.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
 Trethowan
 Sent: 23 September 2013 19:07
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: BlueRay Players
 
 Hi!
 
 This subject is of great interest to me, I've built a Hi-Fi system for the
 den and I'm still looking around for a decent and flexible Blueray player.
 
 I was listening to the tech show on KFWB ad a caller came in with exactly
 the same sort of question I have, Can You recommend a good BlueRay player?
 and the answer was a Sony Play Station III.
 
 I can understand the presenters thinking here, the Play Station III has
 plenty of processing power and is updated frequently by Sony, all fair
 points.
 
 Having never seen a Play station III I'm wondering if others have seen them
 and can perhaps give a brief description, I'm of the understanding that the
 size of a Play Station III is around the size of a typical set top box, is
 that right? Can the Play Station be controlled to play Blueray Discs from a
 remote control unit or perhaps buttons on the front?
 
 
 
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Please recommend sound card for Win 7 PC

2013-09-23 Thread Norma A. Boge
It's time for me to buy a new sound card for my Windows 7 PC.  I intend to
use it with my Behringer 4 channel mixer.  This is not a professional
set-up, I'm just a hobbyist but want good quality.  I'm learning as I go
here so your helpful input is much appreciated.  Later, Norma



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RE: BlueRay Players

2013-09-23 Thread Hamit Campos
If you've seen the receiver of a Bose Lifestyle system, then that's what a
PS3 is like. Now, as for controlling it, yes you can from the remote, and
I'm not too sure about the front. I can ask though. I can't tell you what
this feels like since I haven't done it. I do have a regular Sony BD Player,
and it's just like any DVD player use to be. Now, If PS is the way you think
you want to go, then why not weight for the PS4? Or even the X Box 1 now I
think of it. Whilst we are on this subject, may I just bring it back to PC
for a moment? I want to rant about Power DVD. It's not accessible any more.
The newer it gets, the worse it gets. Well, at least now you can start the
movie, kind of, and you can pause should you have to go to the bathroom or
something. But You can't skim threw the movie, and as far as I recall, you
can't skip chapters. So much for using a Home Theater PC for Blu-Ray. Now,
some say VLC can play BDs' is that so? Has any one here tried it?

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 2:07 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: BlueRay Players

Hi!

This subject is of great interest to me, I've built a Hi-Fi system for the
den and I'm still looking around for a decent and flexible Blueray player.

I was listening to the tech show on KFWB ad a caller came in with exactly
the same sort of question I have, Can You recommend a good BlueRay player?
and the answer was a Sony Play Station III.

I can understand the presenters thinking here, the Play Station III has
plenty of processing power and is updated frequently by Sony, all fair
points.

Having never seen a Play station III I'm wondering if others have seen them
and can perhaps give a brief description, I'm of the understanding that the
size of a Play Station III is around the size of a typical set top box, is
that right? Can the Play Station be controlled to play Blueray Discs from a
remote control unit or perhaps buttons on the front?



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