Re: The new version of winamp

[Casey]

Hi are you willing to share you hot keys file for foobar?
So those of us that would like to try it and are not to formaulaer on 
how to set the short cut keys for play and stop and so on can load in 
your key file and start using it.




On 12/24/2015 12:54 AM, Brett Boyer wrote:

All I can say is foobar 2000.
Yes you have to set it up yourself but once you do it is so customizable that 
it can beat anything winamp can do. In fact, you can manage multiple playlists 
at the same time, copy files from windows explorer, and make your won hot keys 
for every single command in the program including menu bar, context menus, 
now-playing context menus, and many many more.
Here is an article
I have been a foobar user for over 4 years.
And yes, I still have winamp on my machine and use it form time to time, 
probably because old habbits die hard. But if I have to do anything for my 
radio show, or out in my living room where I have tv shows, music, my Howard 
Stern live streams, karaoke files, and a playlist for when particular guests 
are over. I can do all of this inside of foobar without having to load 
playlists over and over.
The beauty part is managing multiple playlists in a tab style that makes my 
life a lot easier.
Good luck to you though.
If you do find the article of interest, since it's written for the general 
community I'd be happy to help you out figuring out accessible ways of doing 
things that the article doesn't cover.
http://winamp2foobar.blogspot.com/
I hope you find what you're looking for!

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Barry Chapman
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:03 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: The new version of winamp

Well whether Winamp is the best or not is a matter of opinion, but I can say 
that I don't know of any other player which has all of the features that I use 
on a regular basis. Just a few that come to mind are:

1. Ability to play, pause, stop go back a track and go forward a track with one 
finger of my left hand. This is important to me when I use Winamp to stream and 
need to use my right hand to control my mixer.

2. The ability to move forward and back in five second increments with one 
finger.

3. An option to stop playing after the current track in a playlist.

4. The ability to locate a track in Windows explorer and add it to the Winamp 
playlist, either after the currently playing track or at the end of the 
playlist.

5. The ability to search for a track in a playlist and move it to after the 
currently playing track.

6. The ability to delete tracks from a playlist.

7. The ability to save a modified playlist.

8. The ability to cross fade tracks with a configurable plugin.

9. The ability to equalise the volume of all playing tracks with a configurable 
plugin.

10. The ability to have title information show up in Edcast when streaming.

11. The ability to find the length of a track in time as well as being able to 
find out the elapsed time and time remaining of a currently playing track.

12. The ability to select a sound card other than the default for the output.

13. The ability to edit and modify ID3 tags in MP3 files.

14. The ability to review tracks in a playlist by arrowing up and down.

15. The ability to search a playlist for tracks containing key words.

16. The ability to press enter on a track in Windows Explorer and have it start 
playing without the focus moving from Windows Explorer.

17. The ability to set a placemarker in a file when using JAWS.

18. The ability to set bookmarks for streams.

19. The ability to play a wide range of audio formats.

20. The ability to jump to a specific time in a track.

21. The ability to play the last few seconds of a track (possibly a JAWS 
feature).

22. The ability to easily get information about streams and tracks, such as the 
bit rate.

I'm sure there are other features that don't come to mind immediately. If Dane 
or anyone else can tell me of another free or low cost player which they know 
will doo all of the above as well or better than Winamp, I would be willing to 
give it a try.

Thanks,
Barry Chapman


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015 12:01 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: The new version of winamp

Well it won’t be the worlds best media player if its not accessible will it 
 and there are plenty of people who would dispute your generalisation 
regarding Winamp being the World’s best media player.



On 24 Dec 2015, at 11:44 AM, Brian <n8...@att.net> wrote:

Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and
keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is
better and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I
will just keep using version 5.66 Brian Sackrider

On 12/23/

Re: The new version of winamp

[goshawk on horseback]

same here please.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona" <hank.smith...@gmail.com>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: The new version of winamp


Hello
I to would like the hot key file as well
Hank


On 12/25/2015 9:21 PM, Casey wrote:
> Hi are you willing to share you hot keys file for foobar?
> So those of us that would like to try it and are not to formaulaer on
> how to set the short cut keys for play and stop and so on can load in
> your key file and start using it.
>
>
>
> On 12/24/2015 12:54 AM, Brett Boyer wrote:
>> All I can say is foobar 2000.
>> Yes you have to set it up yourself but once you do it is so
>> customizable that it can beat anything winamp can do. In fact, you
>> can manage multiple playlists at the same time, copy files from
>> windows explorer, and make your won hot keys for every single command
>> in the program including menu bar, context menus, now-playing context
>> menus, and many many more.
>> Here is an article
>> I have been a foobar user for over 4 years.
>> And yes, I still have winamp on my machine and use it form time to
>> time, probably because old habbits die hard. But if I have to do
>> anything for my radio show, or out in my living room where I have tv
>> shows, music, my Howard Stern live streams, karaoke files, and a
>> playlist for when particular guests are over. I can do all of this
>> inside of foobar without having to load playlists over and over.
>> The beauty part is managing multiple playlists in a tab style that
>> makes my life a lot easier.
>> Good luck to you though.
>> If you do find the article of interest, since it's written for the
>> general community I'd be happy to help you out figuring out
>> accessible ways of doing things that the article doesn't cover.
>> http://winamp2foobar.blogspot.com/
>> I hope you find what you're looking for!
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
>> Barry Chapman
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:03 PM
>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: RE: The new version of winamp
>>
>> Well whether Winamp is the best or not is a matter of opinion, but I
>> can say that I don't know of any other player which has all of the
>> features that I use on a regular basis. Just a few that come to mind
>> are:
>>
>> 1. Ability to play, pause, stop go back a track and go forward a
>> track with one finger of my left hand. This is important to me when I
>> use Winamp to stream and need to use my right hand to control my mixer.
>>
>> 2. The ability to move forward and back in five second increments
>> with one finger.
>>
>> 3. An option to stop playing after the current track in a playlist.
>>
>> 4. The ability to locate a track in Windows explorer and add it to
>> the Winamp playlist, either after the currently playing track or at
>> the end of the playlist.
>>
>> 5. The ability to search for a track in a playlist and move it to
>> after the currently playing track.
>>
>> 6. The ability to delete tracks from a playlist.
>>
>> 7. The ability to save a modified playlist.
>>
>> 8. The ability to cross fade tracks with a configurable plugin.
>>
>> 9. The ability to equalise the volume of all playing tracks with a
>> configurable plugin.
>>
>> 10. The ability to have title information show up in Edcast when
>> streaming.
>>
>> 11. The ability to find the length of a track in time as well as
>> being able to find out the elapsed time and time remaining of a
>> currently playing track.
>>
>> 12. The ability to select a sound card other than the default for the
>> output.
>>
>> 13. The ability to edit and modify ID3 tags in MP3 files.
>>
>> 14. The ability to review tracks in a playlist by arrowing up and down.
>>
>> 15. The ability to search a playlist for tracks containing key words.
>>
>> 16. The ability to press enter on a track in Windows Explorer and
>> have it start playing without the focus moving from Windows Explorer.
>>
>> 17. The ability to set a placemarker in a file when using JAWS.
>>
>> 18. The ability to set bookmarks for streams.
>>
>> 19. The ability to play a wide range of audio formats.
>>
>> 20. The ability to jump to a specific time in a track.
>>
>> 21. The ability to play the last few seconds of a track (possibly a
&g

Re: The new version of winamp

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

Hello
I to would like the hot key file as well
Hank


On 12/25/2015 9:21 PM, Casey wrote:

Hi are you willing to share you hot keys file for foobar?
So those of us that would like to try it and are not to formaulaer on 
how to set the short cut keys for play and stop and so on can load in 
your key file and start using it.




On 12/24/2015 12:54 AM, Brett Boyer wrote:

All I can say is foobar 2000.
Yes you have to set it up yourself but once you do it is so 
customizable that it can beat anything winamp can do. In fact, you 
can manage multiple playlists at the same time, copy files from 
windows explorer, and make your won hot keys for every single command 
in the program including menu bar, context menus, now-playing context 
menus, and many many more.

Here is an article
I have been a foobar user for over 4 years.
And yes, I still have winamp on my machine and use it form time to 
time, probably because old habbits die hard. But if I have to do 
anything for my radio show, or out in my living room where I have tv 
shows, music, my Howard Stern live streams, karaoke files, and a 
playlist for when particular guests are over. I can do all of this 
inside of foobar without having to load playlists over and over.
The beauty part is managing multiple playlists in a tab style that 
makes my life a lot easier.

Good luck to you though.
If you do find the article of interest, since it's written for the 
general community I'd be happy to help you out figuring out 
accessible ways of doing things that the article doesn't cover.

http://winamp2foobar.blogspot.com/
I hope you find what you're looking for!

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Barry Chapman

Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:03 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: The new version of winamp

Well whether Winamp is the best or not is a matter of opinion, but I 
can say that I don't know of any other player which has all of the 
features that I use on a regular basis. Just a few that come to mind 
are:


1. Ability to play, pause, stop go back a track and go forward a 
track with one finger of my left hand. This is important to me when I 
use Winamp to stream and need to use my right hand to control my mixer.


2. The ability to move forward and back in five second increments 
with one finger.


3. An option to stop playing after the current track in a playlist.

4. The ability to locate a track in Windows explorer and add it to 
the Winamp playlist, either after the currently playing track or at 
the end of the playlist.


5. The ability to search for a track in a playlist and move it to 
after the currently playing track.


6. The ability to delete tracks from a playlist.

7. The ability to save a modified playlist.

8. The ability to cross fade tracks with a configurable plugin.

9. The ability to equalise the volume of all playing tracks with a 
configurable plugin.


10. The ability to have title information show up in Edcast when 
streaming.


11. The ability to find the length of a track in time as well as 
being able to find out the elapsed time and time remaining of a 
currently playing track.


12. The ability to select a sound card other than the default for the 
output.


13. The ability to edit and modify ID3 tags in MP3 files.

14. The ability to review tracks in a playlist by arrowing up and down.

15. The ability to search a playlist for tracks containing key words.

16. The ability to press enter on a track in Windows Explorer and 
have it start playing without the focus moving from Windows Explorer.


17. The ability to set a placemarker in a file when using JAWS.

18. The ability to set bookmarks for streams.

19. The ability to play a wide range of audio formats.

20. The ability to jump to a specific time in a track.

21. The ability to play the last few seconds of a track (possibly a 
JAWS feature).


22. The ability to easily get information about streams and tracks, 
such as the bit rate.


I'm sure there are other features that don't come to mind 
immediately. If Dane or anyone else can tell me of another free or 
low cost player which they know will doo all of the above as well or 
better than Winamp, I would be willing to give it a try.


Thanks,
Barry Chapman


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Dane Trethowan

Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015 12:01 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: The new version of winamp

Well it won’t be the worlds best media player if its not accessible 
will it  and there are plenty of people who would dispute your 
generalisation regarding Winamp being the World’s best media player.




On 24 Dec 2015, at 11:44 AM, Brian <n8...@att.net> wrote:

Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and
keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is
better and 

Re: The new version of winamp

[JM Casey]

VLC is amazing for video. However winamp is my audio player and there's no 
reason at all not to use it if it's what you like. it's not as though audio 
formats are changing at an alarming rate, and just about anything that 
winamp won't play out of the box can be ameliorated with a plugin you can 
download in five seconds. I still don't recommend it for videos generally 
though as you will come across stuff that inexplicably won't play and 
finding the right codecs can be a little more of a nuissance.


one thing I like about winamp that I haven't really been able to do with VLC 
is adjust the equaliser. There are a number of bands to play with and its 
very good if you, like me, tend to listen to weird music where the standard 
audio settings sometimes don't yield the best results, or old audio 
recordings where you have to jack up the trebble just to understand what 
people are saying.



- Original Message - 
From: "joanne" <houseofmusic3...@gmail.com>

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: The new version of winamp


I strongly disagree that Winamp should just not be used because some of you 
find it very accessible, as do I, while other players I've tried do not 
give the info Winamp gives.


Having said that, I had tried VLC but it was awhile back and I found no 
controls.  While I do use Winamp, I'd be interested in trying VLC if it 
has improved as far as accessibility.  If someone wouldn't mind putting 
some of its shortcuts on list to help those who might be hesitant to try 
it, I would appreciate it.


I just don't know why Winamp has been so harshly bashed, and people do 
have the right to use the player of choice.  But sure if I could use 
another as well, I would appreciate instructions.


I'm not sure if Real Player is accessible, but I heard it recently and 
loved the sound quality.  So please give us help regarding different 
players, and I'm definitely keeping Winamp around in case other players 
are more difficult and don't give me the track info, etc., that Winamp 
gives.


Joanne

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Olesen" <br...@blindkom.dk>

To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 5:31 AM
Subject: SV: The new version of winamp


Hi,
Wow this is a typical statement from an unknowledge person.
VLC has much better compatibility to all kind of formats.

Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Jed 
Barton

Sendt: 24. december 2015 02:06
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: The new version of winamp

wrong you are, winamp is absolutely the best media player used, i use it 
every single day.  It's simple and straight forward.  I like things to be 
simple


On 12/23/2015 7:44 PM, Brian wrote:

 Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and
keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is
better and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I
will just keep using version 5.66 Brian Sackrider

On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway,
the best thing that every happened in the media player world was the
announcement made that development would cease on Winamp and as yet
I’ve not heard any convincing reason as to why anyone should mourn
the loss of this software.

If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started
again then all well and good but I do think the player became far too
bloated is is very much over rated.



On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
<hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote:

its about time they released it
had no idea that they released a new version

On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Hello listers,

Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of
Winamp from Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen
readers? I found out that the there is apparently only two
versions, pro and light, and the pro is around $19.00.

I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it
was actually worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it
wouldn't break all of my presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far
rather use the old version for as long as I can, rather than
destroying a perfectly working Winamp listening environment.






**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest
of the halfwits in this world behind.

RE: The new version of winamp

[Brett Boyer]

It does take a little bit to set it up. But once you get it the way you want 
it, it is very accessible!
Try out that website for some beginner stuff; if you need more help I'd be 
happy to help you.
bb

  
-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Chris 
Skarstad
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 1:06 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: The new version of winamp

I have foobar on my machine but really haven't come to grips with it.   
I had heard you could do all that but hadn't really figured out how. It sounds 
cool though!





On 12/24/2015 1:54 AM, Brett Boyer wrote:
> All I can say is foobar 2000.
> Yes you have to set it up yourself but once you do it is so customizable that 
> it can beat anything winamp can do. In fact, you can manage multiple 
> playlists at the same time, copy files from windows explorer, and make your 
> won hot keys for every single command in the program including menu bar, 
> context menus, now-playing context menus, and many many more.
> Here is an article
> I have been a foobar user for over 4 years.
> And yes, I still have winamp on my machine and use it form time to time, 
> probably because old habbits die hard. But if I have to do anything for my 
> radio show, or out in my living room where I have tv shows, music, my Howard 
> Stern live streams, karaoke files, and a playlist for when particular guests 
> are over. I can do all of this inside of foobar without having to load 
> playlists over and over.
> The beauty part is managing multiple playlists in a tab style that makes my 
> life a lot easier.
> Good luck to you though.
> If you do find the article of interest, since it's written for the general 
> community I'd be happy to help you out figuring out accessible ways of doing 
> things that the article doesn't cover.
> http://winamp2foobar.blogspot.com/
> I hope you find what you're looking for!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Barry 
> Chapman
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:03 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: RE: The new version of winamp
>
> Well whether Winamp is the best or not is a matter of opinion, but I can say 
> that I don't know of any other player which has all of the features that I 
> use on a regular basis. Just a few that come to mind are:
>
> 1. Ability to play, pause, stop go back a track and go forward a track with 
> one finger of my left hand. This is important to me when I use Winamp to 
> stream and need to use my right hand to control my mixer.
>
> 2. The ability to move forward and back in five second increments with one 
> finger.
>
> 3. An option to stop playing after the current track in a playlist.
>
> 4. The ability to locate a track in Windows explorer and add it to the Winamp 
> playlist, either after the currently playing track or at the end of the 
> playlist.
>
> 5. The ability to search for a track in a playlist and move it to after the 
> currently playing track.
>
> 6. The ability to delete tracks from a playlist.
>
> 7. The ability to save a modified playlist.
>
> 8. The ability to cross fade tracks with a configurable plugin.
>
> 9. The ability to equalise the volume of all playing tracks with a 
> configurable plugin.
>
> 10. The ability to have title information show up in Edcast when streaming.
>
> 11. The ability to find the length of a track in time as well as being able 
> to find out the elapsed time and time remaining of a currently playing track.
>
> 12. The ability to select a sound card other than the default for the output.
>
> 13. The ability to edit and modify ID3 tags in MP3 files.
>
> 14. The ability to review tracks in a playlist by arrowing up and down.
>
> 15. The ability to search a playlist for tracks containing key words.
>
> 16. The ability to press enter on a track in Windows Explorer and have it 
> start playing without the focus moving from Windows Explorer.
>
> 17. The ability to set a placemarker in a file when using JAWS.
>
> 18. The ability to set bookmarks for streams.
>
> 19. The ability to play a wide range of audio formats.
>
> 20. The ability to jump to a specific time in a track.
>
> 21. The ability to play the last few seconds of a track (possibly a JAWS 
> feature).
>
> 22. The ability to easily get information about streams and tracks, such as 
> the bit rate.
>
> I'm sure there are other features that don't come to mind immediately. If 
> Dane or anyone else can tell me of another free or low cost player which they 
> know will doo all of the above as well or better than Winamp, I would be 
> will

Re: The new version of winamp

[Chris Skarstad]

I have foobar on my machine but really haven't come to grips with it.   
I had heard you could do all that but hadn't really figured out how. It 
sounds cool though!






On 12/24/2015 1:54 AM, Brett Boyer wrote:

All I can say is foobar 2000.
Yes you have to set it up yourself but once you do it is so customizable that 
it can beat anything winamp can do. In fact, you can manage multiple playlists 
at the same time, copy files from windows explorer, and make your won hot keys 
for every single command in the program including menu bar, context menus, 
now-playing context menus, and many many more.
Here is an article
I have been a foobar user for over 4 years.
And yes, I still have winamp on my machine and use it form time to time, 
probably because old habbits die hard. But if I have to do anything for my 
radio show, or out in my living room where I have tv shows, music, my Howard 
Stern live streams, karaoke files, and a playlist for when particular guests 
are over. I can do all of this inside of foobar without having to load 
playlists over and over.
The beauty part is managing multiple playlists in a tab style that makes my 
life a lot easier.
Good luck to you though.
If you do find the article of interest, since it's written for the general 
community I'd be happy to help you out figuring out accessible ways of doing 
things that the article doesn't cover.
http://winamp2foobar.blogspot.com/
I hope you find what you're looking for!

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Barry Chapman
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:03 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: The new version of winamp

Well whether Winamp is the best or not is a matter of opinion, but I can say 
that I don't know of any other player which has all of the features that I use 
on a regular basis. Just a few that come to mind are:

1. Ability to play, pause, stop go back a track and go forward a track with one 
finger of my left hand. This is important to me when I use Winamp to stream and 
need to use my right hand to control my mixer.

2. The ability to move forward and back in five second increments with one 
finger.

3. An option to stop playing after the current track in a playlist.

4. The ability to locate a track in Windows explorer and add it to the Winamp 
playlist, either after the currently playing track or at the end of the 
playlist.

5. The ability to search for a track in a playlist and move it to after the 
currently playing track.

6. The ability to delete tracks from a playlist.

7. The ability to save a modified playlist.

8. The ability to cross fade tracks with a configurable plugin.

9. The ability to equalise the volume of all playing tracks with a configurable 
plugin.

10. The ability to have title information show up in Edcast when streaming.

11. The ability to find the length of a track in time as well as being able to 
find out the elapsed time and time remaining of a currently playing track.

12. The ability to select a sound card other than the default for the output.

13. The ability to edit and modify ID3 tags in MP3 files.

14. The ability to review tracks in a playlist by arrowing up and down.

15. The ability to search a playlist for tracks containing key words.

16. The ability to press enter on a track in Windows Explorer and have it start 
playing without the focus moving from Windows Explorer.

17. The ability to set a placemarker in a file when using JAWS.

18. The ability to set bookmarks for streams.

19. The ability to play a wide range of audio formats.

20. The ability to jump to a specific time in a track.

21. The ability to play the last few seconds of a track (possibly a JAWS 
feature).

22. The ability to easily get information about streams and tracks, such as the 
bit rate.

I'm sure there are other features that don't come to mind immediately. If Dane 
or anyone else can tell me of another free or low cost player which they know 
will doo all of the above as well or better than Winamp, I would be willing to 
give it a try.

Thanks,
Barry Chapman


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015 12:01 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: The new version of winamp

Well it won’t be the worlds best media player if its not accessible will it 
 and there are plenty of people who would dispute your generalisation 
regarding Winamp being the World’s best media player.



On 24 Dec 2015, at 11:44 AM, Brian <n8...@att.net> wrote:

Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and
keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is
better and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I
will just keep using version 5.66 Brian Sackrider

On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Don’t care any more as ther

Re: The new version of winamp

[joanne]

I strongly disagree that Winamp should just not be used because some of you 
find it very accessible, as do I, while other players I've tried do not give 
the info Winamp gives.


Having said that, I had tried VLC but it was awhile back and I found no 
controls.  While I do use Winamp, I'd be interested in trying VLC if it has 
improved as far as accessibility.  If someone wouldn't mind putting some of 
its shortcuts on list to help those who might be hesitant to try it, I would 
appreciate it.


I just don't know why Winamp has been so harshly bashed, and people do have 
the right to use the player of choice.  But sure if I could use another as 
well, I would appreciate instructions.


I'm not sure if Real Player is accessible, but I heard it recently and loved 
the sound quality.  So please give us help regarding different players, and 
I'm definitely keeping Winamp around in case other players are more 
difficult and don't give me the track info, etc., that Winamp gives.


Joanne

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Olesen" <br...@blindkom.dk>

To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 5:31 AM
Subject: SV: The new version of winamp


Hi,
Wow this is a typical statement from an unknowledge person.
VLC has much better compatibility to all kind of formats.

Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Jed Barton
Sendt: 24. december 2015 02:06
Til: PC Audio Discussion List
Emne: Re: The new version of winamp

wrong you are, winamp is absolutely the best media player used, i use it 
every single day.  It's simple and straight forward.  I like things to be 
simple


On 12/23/2015 7:44 PM, Brian wrote:

 Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and
keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is
better and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I
will just keep using version 5.66 Brian Sackrider

On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway,
the best thing that every happened in the media player world was the
announcement made that development would cease on Winamp and as yet
I’ve not heard any convincing reason as to why anyone should mourn
the loss of this software.

If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started
again then all well and good but I do think the player became far too
bloated is is very much over rated.



On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
<hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote:

its about time they released it
had no idea that they released a new version

On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Hello listers,

Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of
Winamp from Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen
readers? I found out that the there is apparently only two
versions, pro and light, and the pro is around $19.00.

I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it
was actually worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it
wouldn't break all of my presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far
rather use the old version for as long as I can, rather than
destroying a perfectly working Winamp listening environment.






**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest
of the halfwits in this world behind.

Re: The new version of winamp

[Dane Trethowan]

Well it won’t be the worlds best media player if its not accessible will it 
 and there are plenty of people who would dispute your generalisation 
regarding Winamp being the World’s best media player.


> On 24 Dec 2015, at 11:44 AM, Brian  wrote:
> 
>Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and keyboard 
> users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is better and still 
> accessable I would conciter using it but if not I will just keep using 
> version 5.66
> Brian Sackrider
> 
> On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway, the best 
>> thing that every happened in the media player world was the announcement 
>> made that development would cease on Winamp and as yet I’ve not heard any 
>> convincing reason as to why anyone should mourn the loss of this software.
>> 
>> If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started again 
>> then all well and good but I do think the player became far too bloated is 
>> is very much over rated.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> its about time they released it
>>> had no idea that they released a new version
>>> 
>>> On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:
 Hello listers,
 
 Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of Winamp 
 from Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen readers? I found 
 out that the there is apparently only two versions, pro and light, and the 
 pro is around $19.00.
 
 I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it was 
 actually worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it wouldn't 
 break all of my presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far rather use the old 
 version for as long as I can, rather than destroying a perfectly working 
 Winamp listening environment.
 
 
 
>>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: The new version of winamp

[Peter Scanlon]

I agree, much better than others.


From: Brian 
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 11:44 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: The new version of winamp

 Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and 
keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is better 
and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I will just 
keep using version 5.66
Brian Sackrider

On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway, the best 
> thing that every happened in the media player world was the announcement made 
> that development would cease on Winamp and as yet I’ve not heard any 
> convincing reason as to why anyone should mourn the loss of this software.
>
> If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started again then 
> all well and good but I do think the player became far too bloated is is very 
> much over rated.
>
>
>> On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
>> <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> its about time they released it
>> had no idea that they released a new version
>>
>> On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:
>>> Hello listers,
>>>
>>> Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of Winamp 
>>> from Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen readers? I found 
>>> out that the there is apparently only two versions, pro and light, and the 
>>> pro is around $19.00.
>>>
>>> I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it was 
>>> actually worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it wouldn't break 
>>> all of my presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far rather use the old version 
>>> for as long as I can, rather than destroying a perfectly working Winamp 
>>> listening environment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
>
>
>
>

Re: The new version of winamp

[Dane Trethowan]

Naturally!

I use VLC here and that is just as straight forward and I’m sure there are 
other players that others use that are straight forward.

I’m not saying VLC is the best player either, its all down to preference of 
course but to say that other players aren’t straight forward to use just isn’t 
true.

I did buy Winamp Pro, that’s how much I liked Winamp at one time however that 
was quite some time ago and since that time Winamp became very bloated and I 
started having crashes when I tried to play video, not just on one machine 
either and I discovered the incidents of Winamp crashing weren’t isolated so 
time to go looking for other players.

I also enjoy using Windows Media Player and a lot of people I’m sure will say 
that this player is straight forward.

And don’t tell me that Winamp has features that no other player does because 
that’s just not true.

And finally I’ve not tried the latest Winamp for Windows though I have 
downloaded the Mac and Android versions so may look at those a little later on, 
anyone here tried the Windows version yet? Perhaps you mightn’t be so wrapped 
in Winamp once its installed on your Windows system so I’ll be most eager to 
hear the.


> On 24 Dec 2015, at 12:06 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
> 
> wrong you are, winamp is absolutely the best media player used, i use it 
> every single day.  It's simple and straight forward.  I like things to be 
> simple
> 
> On 12/23/2015 7:44 PM, Brian wrote:
>> Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and
>> keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is better
>> and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I will just
>> keep using version 5.66
>> Brian Sackrider
>> 
>> On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway, the
>>> best thing that every happened in the media player world was the
>>> announcement made that development would cease on Winamp and as yet
>>> I’ve not heard any convincing reason as to why anyone should mourn the
>>> loss of this software.
>>> 
>>> If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started
>>> again then all well and good but I do think the player became far too
>>> bloated is is very much over rated.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
  wrote:
 
 its about time they released it
 had no idea that they released a new version
 
 On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:
> Hello listers,
> 
> Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of
> Winamp from Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen
> readers? I found out that the there is apparently only two versions,
> pro and light, and the pro is around $19.00.
> 
> I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it was
> actually worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it
> wouldn't break all of my presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far
> rather use the old version for as long as I can, rather than
> destroying a perfectly working Winamp listening environment.
> 
> 
> 
 
>>> **
>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of
>>> the halfwits in this world behind.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: The new version of winamp

[goshawk on horseback]

I think it very much depends on what one is doing.
I have to say, that I am also in agreement with those who say that winamp is
still the best, for the following reasons.
1. especially with the window-eyes app for it, it does give a lot more
information than others I have used, such as track percentage when
fast-forwarding/rewinding, volume percentage, etc.
2. it seems to have more add-ons for playing various file formats than
others, which certainly for someone like myself, who has audio and video
files of all different formats, is a big plus.
and 3. another big plus for me, is even with out any add-ons, it plays a lot
of formats, both old and new, where as a lot of other players have turned
there backs on playing older formats, mainly from my point of view, .voc, 
.au, .iff, .aif, .mod,
.xm, and .s3m files. winamp is just about the only thing that will play
these now.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: The new version of winamp


Naturally!

I use VLC here and that is just as straight forward and I’m sure there are
other players that others use that are straight forward.

I’m not saying VLC is the best player either, its all down to preference of
course but to say that other players aren’t straight forward to use just isn’t
true.

I did buy Winamp Pro, that’s how much I liked Winamp at one time however
that was quite some time ago and since that time Winamp became very bloated
and I started having crashes when I tried to play video, not just on one
machine either and I discovered the incidents of Winamp crashing weren’t
isolated so time to go looking for other players.

I also enjoy using Windows Media Player and a lot of people I’m sure will
say that this player is straight forward.

And don’t tell me that Winamp has features that no other player does because
that’s just not true.

And finally I’ve not tried the latest Winamp for Windows though I have
downloaded the Mac and Android versions so may look at those a little later
on, anyone here tried the Windows version yet? Perhaps you mightn’t be so
wrapped in Winamp once its installed on your Windows system so I’ll be most
eager to hear the.


> On 24 Dec 2015, at 12:06 PM, Jed Barton <jedbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> wrong you are, winamp is absolutely the best media player used, i use it
> every single day.  It's simple and straight forward.  I like things to be
> simple
>
> On 12/23/2015 7:44 PM, Brian wrote:
>> Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and
>> keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is better
>> and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I will just
>> keep using version 5.66
>> Brian Sackrider
>>
>> On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway, the
>>> best thing that every happened in the media player world was the
>>> announcement made that development would cease on Winamp and as yet
>>> I’ve not heard any convincing reason as to why anyone should mourn the
>>> loss of this software.
>>>
>>> If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started
>>> again then all well and good but I do think the player became far too
>>> bloated is is very much over rated.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
>>>> <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> its about time they released it
>>>> had no idea that they released a new version
>>>>
>>>> On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:
>>>>> Hello listers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of
>>>>> Winamp from Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen
>>>>> readers? I found out that the there is apparently only two versions,
>>>>> pro and light, and the pro is around $19.00.
>>>>>
>>>>> I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it was
>>>>> actually worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it
>>>>> wouldn't break all of my presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far
>>>>> rather use the old version for as long as I can, rather than
>>>>> destroying a perfectly working Winamp listening environment.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> **
>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of
>>> the halfwits in this world behind.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: The new version of winamp

[Dane Trethowan]

If you all want to think that Winamp is the best then go right ahead but to me 
its really like saying that the Cats Whisker was the best thing for radio, 
you’re really fighting a losing battle.

Sure, it will be nice if new life is brought into Winamp but for me its easier 
to move on and look at other options rather than go on about a lost cause and 
dwell on the past and what was rather than what is.


> On 24 Dec 2015, at 1:05 PM, goshawk on horseback 
> <goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I think it very much depends on what one is doing.
> I have to say, that I am also in agreement with those who say that winamp is
> still the best, for the following reasons.
> 1. especially with the window-eyes app for it, it does give a lot more
> information than others I have used, such as track percentage when
> fast-forwarding/rewinding, volume percentage, etc.
> 2. it seems to have more add-ons for playing various file formats than
> others, which certainly for someone like myself, who has audio and video
> files of all different formats, is a big plus.
> and 3. another big plus for me, is even with out any add-ons, it plays a lot
> of formats, both old and new, where as a lot of other players have turned
> there backs on playing older formats, mainly from my point of view, .voc, 
> .au, .iff, .aif, .mod,
> .xm, and .s3m files. winamp is just about the only thing that will play
> these now.
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 1:15 AM
> Subject: Re: The new version of winamp
> 
> 
> Naturally!
> 
> I use VLC here and that is just as straight forward and I’m sure there are
> other players that others use that are straight forward.
> 
> I’m not saying VLC is the best player either, its all down to preference of
> course but to say that other players aren’t straight forward to use just isn’t
> true.
> 
> I did buy Winamp Pro, that’s how much I liked Winamp at one time however
> that was quite some time ago and since that time Winamp became very bloated
> and I started having crashes when I tried to play video, not just on one
> machine either and I discovered the incidents of Winamp crashing weren’t
> isolated so time to go looking for other players.
> 
> I also enjoy using Windows Media Player and a lot of people I’m sure will
> say that this player is straight forward.
> 
> And don’t tell me that Winamp has features that no other player does because
> that’s just not true.
> 
> And finally I’ve not tried the latest Winamp for Windows though I have
> downloaded the Mac and Android versions so may look at those a little later
> on, anyone here tried the Windows version yet? Perhaps you mightn’t be so
> wrapped in Winamp once its installed on your Windows system so I’ll be most
> eager to hear the.
> 
> 
>> On 24 Dec 2015, at 12:06 PM, Jed Barton <jedbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> wrong you are, winamp is absolutely the best media player used, i use it
>> every single day.  It's simple and straight forward.  I like things to be
>> simple
>> 
>> On 12/23/2015 7:44 PM, Brian wrote:
>>>Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and
>>> keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is better
>>> and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I will just
>>> keep using version 5.66
>>> Brian Sackrider
>>> 
>>> On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>> Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway, the
>>>> best thing that every happened in the media player world was the
>>>> announcement made that development would cease on Winamp and as yet
>>>> I’ve not heard any convincing reason as to why anyone should mourn the
>>>> loss of this software.
>>>> 
>>>> If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started
>>>> again then all well and good but I do think the player became far too
>>>> bloated is is very much over rated.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
>>>>> <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> its about time they released it
>>>>> had no idea that they released a new version
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:
>>>>>> Hello listers,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jus

Re: The new version of winamp

[Brian]

Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and 
keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is better 
and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I will just 
keep using version 5.66

Brian Sackrider

On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway, the best 
thing that every happened in the media player world was the announcement made 
that development would cease on Winamp and as yet I’ve not heard any convincing 
reason as to why anyone should mourn the loss of this software.

If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started again then 
all well and good but I do think the player became far too bloated is is very 
much over rated.



On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
 wrote:

its about time they released it
had no idea that they released a new version

On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Hello listers,

Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of Winamp from 
Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen readers? I found out that 
the there is apparently only two versions, pro and light, and the pro is around 
$19.00.

I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it was actually 
worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it wouldn't break all of my 
presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far rather use the old version for as long as 
I can, rather than destroying a perfectly working Winamp listening environment.






**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: The new version of winamp

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes, so you say.


> On 24 Dec 2015, at 12:01 PM, Peter Scanlon <sca...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> 
> I agree, much better than others.
> 
> 
> From: Brian 
> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 11:44 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: The new version of winamp
> 
> Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and 
> keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is better 
> and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I will just 
> keep using version 5.66
> Brian Sackrider
> 
> On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway, the best 
>> thing that every happened in the media player world was the announcement 
>> made that development would cease on Winamp and as yet I’ve not heard any 
>> convincing reason as to why anyone should mourn the loss of this software.
>> 
>> If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started again 
>> then all well and good but I do think the player became far too bloated is 
>> is very much over rated.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
>>> <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> its about time they released it
>>> had no idea that they released a new version
>>> 
>>> On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:
>>>> Hello listers,
>>>> 
>>>> Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of Winamp 
>>>> from Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen readers? I found 
>>>> out that the there is apparently only two versions, pro and light, and the 
>>>> pro is around $19.00.
>>>> 
>>>> I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it was 
>>>> actually worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it wouldn't 
>>>> break all of my presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far rather use the old 
>>>> version for as long as I can, rather than destroying a perfectly working 
>>>> Winamp listening environment.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: The new version of winamp

[Barry Chapman]

Well whether Winamp is the best or not is a matter of opinion, but I can say 
that I don't know of any other player which has all of the features that I use 
on a regular basis. Just a few that come to mind are:

1. Ability to play, pause, stop go back a track and go forward a track with one 
finger of my left hand. This is important to me when I use Winamp to stream and 
need to use my right hand to control my mixer.

2. The ability to move forward and back in five second increments with one 
finger.

3. An option to stop playing after the current track in a playlist.

4. The ability to locate a track in Windows explorer and add it to the Winamp 
playlist, either after the currently playing track or at the end of the 
playlist.

5. The ability to search for a track in a playlist and move it to after the 
currently playing track.

6. The ability to delete tracks from a playlist.

7. The ability to save a modified playlist.

8. The ability to cross fade tracks with a configurable plugin.

9. The ability to equalise the volume of all playing tracks with a configurable 
plugin.

10. The ability to have title information show up in Edcast when streaming.

11. The ability to find the length of a track in time as well as being able to 
find out the elapsed time and time remaining of a currently playing track.

12. The ability to select a sound card other than the default for the output.

13. The ability to edit and modify ID3 tags in MP3 files.

14. The ability to review tracks in a playlist by arrowing up and down.

15. The ability to search a playlist for tracks containing key words.

16. The ability to press enter on a track in Windows Explorer and have it start 
playing without the focus moving from Windows Explorer.

17. The ability to set a placemarker in a file when using JAWS.

18. The ability to set bookmarks for streams.

19. The ability to play a wide range of audio formats.

20. The ability to jump to a specific time in a track.

21. The ability to play the last few seconds of a track (possibly a JAWS 
feature).

22. The ability to easily get information about streams and tracks, such as the 
bit rate.

I'm sure there are other features that don't come to mind immediately. If Dane 
or anyone else can tell me of another free or low cost player which they know 
will doo all of the above as well or better than Winamp, I would be willing to 
give it a try.

Thanks,
Barry Chapman


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015 12:01 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: The new version of winamp

Well it won’t be the worlds best media player if its not accessible will it 
 and there are plenty of people who would dispute your generalisation 
regarding Winamp being the World’s best media player.


> On 24 Dec 2015, at 11:44 AM, Brian <n8...@att.net> wrote:
>
>Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and keyboard 
> users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is better and still 
> accessable I would conciter using it but if not I will just keep using 
> version 5.66
> Brian Sackrider
>
> On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway, the best 
>> thing that every happened in the media player world was the announcement 
>> made that development would cease on Winamp and as yet I’ve not heard any 
>> convincing reason as to why anyone should mourn the loss of this software.
>>
>> If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started again 
>> then all well and good but I do think the player became far too bloated is 
>> is very much over rated.
>>
>>
>>> On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
>>> <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> its about time they released it
>>> had no idea that they released a new version
>>>
>>> On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:
>>>> Hello listers,
>>>>
>>>> Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of Winamp 
>>>> from Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen readers? I found 
>>>> out that the there is apparently only two versions, pro and light, and the 
>>>> pro is around $19.00.
>>>>
>>>> I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it was 
>>>> actually worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it wouldn't 
>>>> break all of my presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far rather use the old 
>>>> version for as long as I can, rather than destroying a perfectly working 
>>>> Winamp listening environment.
>>>>
>>>>
&

Re: The new version of winamp

[Dane Trethowan]

First of all, I can’t answer that question as to what is more accessible 
because I’ve not played around with Media Players for Windows for quite some 
time.

I do use VLC for Windows and I’m able to access all the functions I need in 
that player very easily such as the transport functions, file functions and so 
on.

I have used Windows Media Player and I found it a more pleasurable experience 
to use than I thought it would be mainly because of the excellent amount of 
Shortcut keys and other goodies it has.

So as I’ve already said, claiming that Winamp is the best and most accessible 
player in the world is a very general statement indeed and I wouldn’t have to 
look too far to find people who would disagree, I know there’s a whole heap of 
people out there using Windows Media Player because I’ve spoken to quite a few 
who have given me tips on that software.

VLC users are a plenty and well as there being plenty of iTunes users and so on.


> On 24 Dec 2015, at 12:56 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> The news is that last week vivendi, which owns Universal Music, bought
> a controlling interest in Radio Nomi. Many are hopeful that vivendi
> will breathe new life into winamp.
> 
> Dane, which programs are more accessible than Winamp?  I am on Brian's
> side in believing that winamp was the most accessible media player
> ever.  Yes, I am still using Winamp and loving the experieince.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/23/15, Brian  wrote:
>> Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and
>> keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is better
>> and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I will just
>> keep using version 5.66
>> Brian Sackrider
>> 
>> On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway, the
>>> best thing that every happened in the media player world was the
>>> announcement made that development would cease on Winamp and as yet I’ve
>>> not heard any convincing reason as to why anyone should mourn the loss of
>>> this software.
>>> 
>>> If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started again
>>> then all well and good but I do think the player became far too bloated is
>>> is very much over rated.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
  wrote:
 
 its about time they released it
 had no idea that they released a new version
 
 On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:
> Hello listers,
> 
> Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of Winamp
> from Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen readers? I found
> out that the there is apparently only two versions, pro and light, and
> the pro is around $19.00.
> 
> I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it was
> actually worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it wouldn't
> break all of my presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far rather use the old
> version for as long as I can, rather than destroying a perfectly working
> Winamp listening environment.
> 
> 
> 
 
>>> **
>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the
>>> halfwits in this world behind.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: The new version of winamp

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

I can't find the new winamp just 5.66


On 12/23/2015 6:15 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Naturally!

I use VLC here and that is just as straight forward and I’m sure there are 
other players that others use that are straight forward.

I’m not saying VLC is the best player either, its all down to preference of 
course but to say that other players aren’t straight forward to use just isn’t 
true.

I did buy Winamp Pro, that’s how much I liked Winamp at one time however that 
was quite some time ago and since that time Winamp became very bloated and I 
started having crashes when I tried to play video, not just on one machine 
either and I discovered the incidents of Winamp crashing weren’t isolated so 
time to go looking for other players.

I also enjoy using Windows Media Player and a lot of people I’m sure will say 
that this player is straight forward.

And don’t tell me that Winamp has features that no other player does because 
that’s just not true.

And finally I’ve not tried the latest Winamp for Windows though I have 
downloaded the Mac and Android versions so may look at those a little later on, 
anyone here tried the Windows version yet? Perhaps you mightn’t be so wrapped 
in Winamp once its installed on your Windows system so I’ll be most eager to 
hear the.



On 24 Dec 2015, at 12:06 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:

wrong you are, winamp is absolutely the best media player used, i use it every 
single day.  It's simple and straight forward.  I like things to be simple

On 12/23/2015 7:44 PM, Brian wrote:

 Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and
keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is better
and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I will just
keep using version 5.66
Brian Sackrider

On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway, the
best thing that every happened in the media player world was the
announcement made that development would cease on Winamp and as yet
I’ve not heard any convincing reason as to why anyone should mourn the
loss of this software.

If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started
again then all well and good but I do think the player became far too
bloated is is very much over rated.



On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
 wrote:

its about time they released it
had no idea that they released a new version

On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Hello listers,

Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of
Winamp from Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen
readers? I found out that the there is apparently only two versions,
pro and light, and the pro is around $19.00.

I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it was
actually worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it
wouldn't break all of my presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far
rather use the old version for as long as I can, rather than
destroying a perfectly working Winamp listening environment.




**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of
the halfwits in this world behind.








**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: The new version of winamp

[Jed Barton]

wrong you are, winamp is absolutely the best media player used, i use it 
every single day.  It's simple and straight forward.  I like things to 
be simple


On 12/23/2015 7:44 PM, Brian wrote:

 Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and
keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is better
and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I will just
keep using version 5.66
Brian Sackrider

On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway, the
best thing that every happened in the media player world was the
announcement made that development would cease on Winamp and as yet
I’ve not heard any convincing reason as to why anyone should mourn the
loss of this software.

If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started
again then all well and good but I do think the player became far too
bloated is is very much over rated.



On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
 wrote:

its about time they released it
had no idea that they released a new version

On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Hello listers,

Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of
Winamp from Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen
readers? I found out that the there is apparently only two versions,
pro and light, and the pro is around $19.00.

I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it was
actually worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it
wouldn't break all of my presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far
rather use the old version for as long as I can, rather than
destroying a perfectly working Winamp listening environment.






**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of
the halfwits in this world behind.

Re: The new version of winamp

[Kelly Pierce]

The news is that last week vivendi, which owns Universal Music, bought
a controlling interest in Radio Nomi. Many are hopeful that vivendi
will breathe new life into winamp.

Dane, which programs are more accessible than Winamp?  I am on Brian's
side in believing that winamp was the most accessible media player
ever.  Yes, I am still using Winamp and loving the experieince.

Kelly





On 12/23/15, Brian  wrote:
>  Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and
> keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is better
> and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I will just
> keep using version 5.66
> Brian Sackrider
>
> On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway, the
>> best thing that every happened in the media player world was the
>> announcement made that development would cease on Winamp and as yet I’ve
>> not heard any convincing reason as to why anyone should mourn the loss of
>> this software.
>>
>> If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started again
>> then all well and good but I do think the player became far too bloated is
>> is very much over rated.
>>
>>
>>> On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> its about time they released it
>>> had no idea that they released a new version
>>>
>>> On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:
 Hello listers,

 Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of Winamp
 from Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen readers? I found
 out that the there is apparently only two versions, pro and light, and
 the pro is around $19.00.

 I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it was
 actually worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it wouldn't
 break all of my presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far rather use the old
 version for as long as I can, rather than destroying a perfectly working
 Winamp listening environment.



>>>
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: The new version of winamp

[Dane Trethowan]

I won’t say that VLC has more nor less but it does have many of the features 
that Winamp has.

I’ve never claimed that VLC or Windows Media Player etc are the best and I will 
never ever claim that but I will say that both are good players, both have good 
and bad points and Winamp, VLC Windows Media Player or anything else for that 
matter isn’t the be-and-all of media players.


> On 24 Dec 2015, at 1:02 PM, Barry Chapman <ba...@bchapman.id.au> wrote:
> 
> Well whether Winamp is the best or not is a matter of opinion, but I can say 
> that I don't know of any other player which has all of the features that I 
> use on a regular basis. Just a few that come to mind are:
> 
> 1. Ability to play, pause, stop go back a track and go forward a track with 
> one finger of my left hand. This is important to me when I use Winamp to 
> stream and need to use my right hand to control my mixer.
> 
> 2. The ability to move forward and back in five second increments with one 
> finger.
> 
> 3. An option to stop playing after the current track in a playlist.
> 
> 4. The ability to locate a track in Windows explorer and add it to the Winamp 
> playlist, either after the currently playing track or at the end of the 
> playlist.
> 
> 5. The ability to search for a track in a playlist and move it to after the 
> currently playing track.
> 
> 6. The ability to delete tracks from a playlist.
> 
> 7. The ability to save a modified playlist.
> 
> 8. The ability to cross fade tracks with a configurable plugin.
> 
> 9. The ability to equalise the volume of all playing tracks with a 
> configurable plugin.
> 
> 10. The ability to have title information show up in Edcast when streaming.
> 
> 11. The ability to find the length of a track in time as well as being able 
> to find out the elapsed time and time remaining of a currently playing track.
> 
> 12. The ability to select a sound card other than the default for the output.
> 
> 13. The ability to edit and modify ID3 tags in MP3 files.
> 
> 14. The ability to review tracks in a playlist by arrowing up and down.
> 
> 15. The ability to search a playlist for tracks containing key words.
> 
> 16. The ability to press enter on a track in Windows Explorer and have it 
> start playing without the focus moving from Windows Explorer.
> 
> 17. The ability to set a placemarker in a file when using JAWS.
> 
> 18. The ability to set bookmarks for streams.
> 
> 19. The ability to play a wide range of audio formats.
> 
> 20. The ability to jump to a specific time in a track.
> 
> 21. The ability to play the last few seconds of a track (possibly a JAWS 
> feature).
> 
> 22. The ability to easily get information about streams and tracks, such as 
> the bit rate.
> 
> I'm sure there are other features that don't come to mind immediately. If 
> Dane or anyone else can tell me of another free or low cost player which they 
> know will doo all of the above as well or better than Winamp, I would be 
> willing to give it a try.
> 
> Thanks,
> Barry Chapman
> 
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015 12:01 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: The new version of winamp
> 
> Well it won’t be the worlds best media player if its not accessible will it 
>  and there are plenty of people who would dispute your generalisation 
> regarding Winamp being the World’s best media player.
> 
> 
>> On 24 Dec 2015, at 11:44 AM, Brian <n8...@att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>   Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and keyboard 
>> users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is better and still 
>> accessable I would conciter using it but if not I will just keep using 
>> version 5.66
>> Brian Sackrider
>> 
>> On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway, the best 
>>> thing that every happened in the media player world was the announcement 
>>> made that development would cease on Winamp and as yet I’ve not heard any 
>>> convincing reason as to why anyone should mourn the loss of this software.
>>> 
>>> If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started again 
>>> then all well and good but I do think the player became far too bloated is 
>>> is very much over rated.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
>>>> <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> its about ti

Re: The new version of winamp

[Dane Trethowan]

Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway, the best 
thing that every happened in the media player world was the announcement made 
that development would cease on Winamp and as yet I’ve not heard any convincing 
reason as to why anyone should mourn the loss of this software.

If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started again then 
all well and good but I do think the player became far too bloated is is very 
much over rated.


> On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
>  wrote:
> 
> its about time they released it
> had no idea that they released a new version
> 
> On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:
>> Hello listers,
>> 
>> Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of Winamp 
>> from Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen readers? I found out 
>> that the there is apparently only two versions, pro and light, and the pro 
>> is around $19.00.
>> 
>> I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it was 
>> actually worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it wouldn't break 
>> all of my presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far rather use the old version 
>> for as long as I can, rather than destroying a perfectly working Winamp 
>> listening environment.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: The new version of winamp

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

its about time they released it
had no idea that they released a new version

On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Hello listers,

Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of 
Winamp from Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen 
readers? I found out that the there is apparently only two versions, 
pro and light, and the pro is around $19.00.


I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it was 
actually worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it wouldn't 
break all of my presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far rather use the 
old version for as long as I can, rather than destroying a perfectly 
working Winamp listening environment.

Re: The new version of winamp

[Jörgen Hansson]

hello!
what's the new version of winamp? I haven't seen that there was a new 
version out.

Regards,
Jörgen Hansson!
tel: +46 703601296
Web: www.jorgenhansson.com
Skype: djtropical4532
-Ursprungligt meddelande- 
From: Larry Higgins

Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:12 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: The new version of winamp

Hello listers,

Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of Winamp
from Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen readers? I found
out that the there is apparently only two versions, pro and light, and
the pro is around $19.00.

I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it was
actually worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it wouldn't
break all of my presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far rather use the old
version for as long as I can, rather than destroying a perfectly working
Winamp listening environment.

Re: The new version of winamp

[Chris Skarstad]

I've been using Winamp since 1998 and don't intend to stop unless I can 
find another player that's more accessible and does what i want it to.  
I'll be interested if and when a new version comes out.  You'd have to 
show me a player that's even better, and that's a tall order.


On 12/23/2015 11:03 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

First of all, I can’t answer that question as to what is more accessible 
because I’ve not played around with Media Players for Windows for quite some 
time.

I do use VLC for Windows and I’m able to access all the functions I need in 
that player very easily such as the transport functions, file functions and so 
on.

I have used Windows Media Player and I found it a more pleasurable experience 
to use than I thought it would be mainly because of the excellent amount of 
Shortcut keys and other goodies it has.

So as I’ve already said, claiming that Winamp is the best and most accessible 
player in the world is a very general statement indeed and I wouldn’t have to 
look too far to find people who would disagree, I know there’s a whole heap of 
people out there using Windows Media Player because I’ve spoken to quite a few 
who have given me tips on that software.

VLC users are a plenty and well as there being plenty of iTunes users and so on.



On 24 Dec 2015, at 12:56 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:

The news is that last week vivendi, which owns Universal Music, bought
a controlling interest in Radio Nomi. Many are hopeful that vivendi
will breathe new life into winamp.

Dane, which programs are more accessible than Winamp?  I am on Brian's
side in believing that winamp was the most accessible media player
ever.  Yes, I am still using Winamp and loving the experieince.

Kelly





On 12/23/15, Brian  wrote:

 Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and
keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is better
and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I will just
keep using version 5.66
Brian Sackrider

On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway, the
best thing that every happened in the media player world was the
announcement made that development would cease on Winamp and as yet I’ve
not heard any convincing reason as to why anyone should mourn the loss of
this software.

If a new company has taken Winamp over and development has started again
then all well and good but I do think the player became far too bloated is
is very much over rated.



On 24 Dec 2015, at 8:16 AM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
 wrote:

its about time they released it
had no idea that they released a new version

On 12/23/2015 2:12 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Hello listers,

Just wanted to know if any of you have used the latest version of Winamp
from Radionomy? If so, how accessible is it with screen readers? I found
out that the there is apparently only two versions, pro and light, and
the pro is around $19.00.

I might consider springing for the Pro version if I knew that it was
actually worth it, or maybe another way of putting it, if it wouldn't
break all of my presets and  WE scripts/apps. I'd far rather use the old
version for as long as I can, rather than destroying a perfectly working
Winamp listening environment.




**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the
halfwits in this world behind.








**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: The new version of winamp

[Andy Logue]

I very much agree with you Barry.  WMP is to clumsy.  Win amp for me all the 
way.


Andy.
- Original Message - 
From: "Barry Chapman" <ba...@bchapman.id.au>

To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 6:09 AM
Subject: RE: The new version of winamp


Dane,

I am not suggesting that Winamp is perfect. I have had crashes with it and 
there is an issue for me using JAWS in having it not properly gaining focus 
until I do a JAWS screen refresh. I have, however, looked at VLC, Windows 
Media Player and other players, and none of the others appear to give me the 
option to do all of what I can do with Winamp.


If VLC and Windows Media Player meet your needs, well that is fine, but 
there are others like me who have found from experience that Winamp has much 
more flexibility. If you deny this, I can only say that you need to think 
again.


Regards,
Barry Chapman


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan

Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015 3:05 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: The new version of winamp

I won’t say that VLC has more nor less but it does have many of the features 
that Winamp has.


I’ve never claimed that VLC or Windows Media Player etc are the best and I 
will never ever claim that but I will say that both are good players, both 
have good and bad points and Winamp, VLC Windows Media Player or anything 
else for that matter isn’t the be-and-all of media players.




On 24 Dec 2015, at 1:02 PM, Barry Chapman <ba...@bchapman.id.au> wrote:

Well whether Winamp is the best or not is a matter of opinion, but I can 
say that I don't know of any other player which has all of the features 
that I use on a regular basis. Just a few that come to mind are:


1. Ability to play, pause, stop go back a track and go forward a track 
with one finger of my left hand. This is important to me when I use Winamp 
to stream and need to use my right hand to control my mixer.


2. The ability to move forward and back in five second increments with one 
finger.


3. An option to stop playing after the current track in a playlist.

4. The ability to locate a track in Windows explorer and add it to the 
Winamp playlist, either after the currently playing track or at the end of 
the playlist.


5. The ability to search for a track in a playlist and move it to after 
the currently playing track.


6. The ability to delete tracks from a playlist.

7. The ability to save a modified playlist.

8. The ability to cross fade tracks with a configurable plugin.

9. The ability to equalise the volume of all playing tracks with a 
configurable plugin.


10. The ability to have title information show up in Edcast when 
streaming.


11. The ability to find the length of a track in time as well as being 
able to find out the elapsed time and time remaining of a currently 
playing track.


12. The ability to select a sound card other than the default for the 
output.


13. The ability to edit and modify ID3 tags in MP3 files.

14. The ability to review tracks in a playlist by arrowing up and down.

15. The ability to search a playlist for tracks containing key words.

16. The ability to press enter on a track in Windows Explorer and have it 
start playing without the focus moving from Windows Explorer.


17. The ability to set a placemarker in a file when using JAWS.

18. The ability to set bookmarks for streams.

19. The ability to play a wide range of audio formats.

20. The ability to jump to a specific time in a track.

21. The ability to play the last few seconds of a track (possibly a JAWS 
feature).


22. The ability to easily get information about streams and tracks, such 
as the bit rate.


I'm sure there are other features that don't come to mind immediately. If 
Dane or anyone else can tell me of another free or low cost player which 
they know will doo all of the above as well or better than Winamp, I would 
be willing to give it a try.


Thanks,
Barry Chapman


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan

Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015 12:01 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: The new version of winamp

Well it won’t be the worlds best media player if its not accessible will 
it  and there are plenty of people who would dispute your 
generalisation regarding Winamp being the World’s best media player.




On 24 Dec 2015, at 11:44 AM, Brian <n8...@att.net> wrote:

  Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and 
keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is better 
and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I will just 
keep using version 5.66

Brian Sackrider

On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Don’t care any more as there are so many good 

RE: The new version of winamp

[Barry Chapman]

Dane,

I am not suggesting that Winamp is perfect. I have had crashes with it and 
there is an issue for me using JAWS in having it not properly gaining focus 
until I do a JAWS screen refresh. I have, however, looked at VLC, Windows Media 
Player and other players, and none of the others appear to give me the option 
to do all of what I can do with Winamp.

If VLC and Windows Media Player meet your needs, well that is fine, but there 
are others like me who have found from experience that Winamp has much more 
flexibility. If you deny this, I can only say that you need to think again.

Regards,
Barry Chapman


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015 3:05 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: The new version of winamp

I won’t say that VLC has more nor less but it does have many of the features 
that Winamp has.

I’ve never claimed that VLC or Windows Media Player etc are the best and I will 
never ever claim that but I will say that both are good players, both have good 
and bad points and Winamp, VLC Windows Media Player or anything else for that 
matter isn’t the be-and-all of media players.


> On 24 Dec 2015, at 1:02 PM, Barry Chapman <ba...@bchapman.id.au> wrote:
>
> Well whether Winamp is the best or not is a matter of opinion, but I can say 
> that I don't know of any other player which has all of the features that I 
> use on a regular basis. Just a few that come to mind are:
>
> 1. Ability to play, pause, stop go back a track and go forward a track with 
> one finger of my left hand. This is important to me when I use Winamp to 
> stream and need to use my right hand to control my mixer.
>
> 2. The ability to move forward and back in five second increments with one 
> finger.
>
> 3. An option to stop playing after the current track in a playlist.
>
> 4. The ability to locate a track in Windows explorer and add it to the Winamp 
> playlist, either after the currently playing track or at the end of the 
> playlist.
>
> 5. The ability to search for a track in a playlist and move it to after the 
> currently playing track.
>
> 6. The ability to delete tracks from a playlist.
>
> 7. The ability to save a modified playlist.
>
> 8. The ability to cross fade tracks with a configurable plugin.
>
> 9. The ability to equalise the volume of all playing tracks with a 
> configurable plugin.
>
> 10. The ability to have title information show up in Edcast when streaming.
>
> 11. The ability to find the length of a track in time as well as being able 
> to find out the elapsed time and time remaining of a currently playing track.
>
> 12. The ability to select a sound card other than the default for the output.
>
> 13. The ability to edit and modify ID3 tags in MP3 files.
>
> 14. The ability to review tracks in a playlist by arrowing up and down.
>
> 15. The ability to search a playlist for tracks containing key words.
>
> 16. The ability to press enter on a track in Windows Explorer and have it 
> start playing without the focus moving from Windows Explorer.
>
> 17. The ability to set a placemarker in a file when using JAWS.
>
> 18. The ability to set bookmarks for streams.
>
> 19. The ability to play a wide range of audio formats.
>
> 20. The ability to jump to a specific time in a track.
>
> 21. The ability to play the last few seconds of a track (possibly a JAWS 
> feature).
>
> 22. The ability to easily get information about streams and tracks, such as 
> the bit rate.
>
> I'm sure there are other features that don't come to mind immediately. If 
> Dane or anyone else can tell me of another free or low cost player which they 
> know will doo all of the above as well or better than Winamp, I would be 
> willing to give it a try.
>
> Thanks,
> Barry Chapman
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015 12:01 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: The new version of winamp
>
> Well it won’t be the worlds best media player if its not accessible will it 
>  and there are plenty of people who would dispute your generalisation 
> regarding Winamp being the World’s best media player.
>
>
>> On 24 Dec 2015, at 11:44 AM, Brian <n8...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>   Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and keyboard 
>> users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is better and still 
>> accessable I would conciter using it but if not I will just keep using 
>> version 5.66
>> Brian Sackrider
>>
>> On 1

RE: The new version of winamp

[Brett Boyer]

All I can say is foobar 2000.
Yes you have to set it up yourself but once you do it is so customizable that 
it can beat anything winamp can do. In fact, you can manage multiple playlists 
at the same time, copy files from windows explorer, and make your won hot keys 
for every single command in the program including menu bar, context menus, 
now-playing context menus, and many many more.
Here is an article
I have been a foobar user for over 4 years.
And yes, I still have winamp on my machine and use it form time to time, 
probably because old habbits die hard. But if I have to do anything for my 
radio show, or out in my living room where I have tv shows, music, my Howard 
Stern live streams, karaoke files, and a playlist for when particular guests 
are over. I can do all of this inside of foobar without having to load 
playlists over and over.
The beauty part is managing multiple playlists in a tab style that makes my 
life a lot easier.
Good luck to you though.
If you do find the article of interest, since it's written for the general 
community I'd be happy to help you out figuring out accessible ways of doing 
things that the article doesn't cover.
http://winamp2foobar.blogspot.com/  
I hope you find what you're looking for!

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Barry Chapman
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:03 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: The new version of winamp

Well whether Winamp is the best or not is a matter of opinion, but I can say 
that I don't know of any other player which has all of the features that I use 
on a regular basis. Just a few that come to mind are:

1. Ability to play, pause, stop go back a track and go forward a track with one 
finger of my left hand. This is important to me when I use Winamp to stream and 
need to use my right hand to control my mixer.

2. The ability to move forward and back in five second increments with one 
finger.

3. An option to stop playing after the current track in a playlist.

4. The ability to locate a track in Windows explorer and add it to the Winamp 
playlist, either after the currently playing track or at the end of the 
playlist.

5. The ability to search for a track in a playlist and move it to after the 
currently playing track.

6. The ability to delete tracks from a playlist.

7. The ability to save a modified playlist.

8. The ability to cross fade tracks with a configurable plugin.

9. The ability to equalise the volume of all playing tracks with a configurable 
plugin.

10. The ability to have title information show up in Edcast when streaming.

11. The ability to find the length of a track in time as well as being able to 
find out the elapsed time and time remaining of a currently playing track.

12. The ability to select a sound card other than the default for the output.

13. The ability to edit and modify ID3 tags in MP3 files.

14. The ability to review tracks in a playlist by arrowing up and down.

15. The ability to search a playlist for tracks containing key words.

16. The ability to press enter on a track in Windows Explorer and have it start 
playing without the focus moving from Windows Explorer.

17. The ability to set a placemarker in a file when using JAWS.

18. The ability to set bookmarks for streams.

19. The ability to play a wide range of audio formats.

20. The ability to jump to a specific time in a track.

21. The ability to play the last few seconds of a track (possibly a JAWS 
feature).

22. The ability to easily get information about streams and tracks, such as the 
bit rate.

I'm sure there are other features that don't come to mind immediately. If Dane 
or anyone else can tell me of another free or low cost player which they know 
will doo all of the above as well or better than Winamp, I would be willing to 
give it a try.

Thanks,
Barry Chapman


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2015 12:01 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: The new version of winamp

Well it won’t be the worlds best media player if its not accessible will it 
 and there are plenty of people who would dispute your generalisation 
regarding Winamp being the World’s best media player.


> On 24 Dec 2015, at 11:44 AM, Brian <n8...@att.net> wrote:
> 
>Winamp will always be the best player for screen reader users and 
> keyboard users so you are a very big lier.  if the new winamp is 
> better and still accessable I would conciter using it but if not I 
> will just keep using version 5.66 Brian Sackrider
> 
> On 12/23/2015 4:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> Don’t care any more as there are so many good alternatives anyway, the best 
>> thing that every happened in the media player world was the announcement 
>> made that development would