Re: [PD] documentation material for Pd related grants, funds, and prizes
Yep, I would be happy to help out with this - Greg I was hoping you would bring the camera anyway. The two of us will be in touch about this, but if you (the list) can think of people to track down we might be able to find them and set up times. With the convention coming up in just a few days, we would really need help with getting some sort of outline. Both of us have only been using Pd for just over a year, so those of you who have been using and developing in the last few years could be a great help here. We need to decide on some core topics to ask about - what do you guys and gals think needs to be covered in this brief documentary? I have some ideas but I would rather pose the question to the community at this point. I think it is well within our means to produce a short overview of some important aspects of Pd, or at the very least to have footage and material available when someone seeking resources needs it. Kevin On 8/17/07, Greg Pond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will pack the gear. I have another friend who is coming too that studied video with me, if he is willing to help, maybe between the two of us we can cover a good bit. I will be in a workshop and doing some other things to learn more about PD but I think this will help me out a lot too. Please send suggestions for subjects/topics and help me make arrangements to connect with the appropriate folks if you can. greg On 8/17/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sounds awesome! I think a little documentary video would be quite nice to have. .hc On Aug 17, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Greg Pond wrote: If there is enough interest to commit this to video, I could do a little shooting- just let me know and I will bring a camera and mic to Montreal. I will be there wed. evening through sat. morning. I am working on another documentary project right now and cannot commit to any reasonable schedule for editing or other post production but can hand over the tapes or work on it when my schedule opens up. I would want someone with more knowledge of the Pd world to help determine who and what to shoot and help with interviewing but I am happy to help out. greg On 8/16/07, marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, the money for Pd topic was already discussed often; pd licenses for universities, several other ways to support the development of pd like conventions, google summer of code and so on. although it never lead to results... I was thinking of funds or prizes like the ars electronica festival. I am still not sure if Pd will fit in one of the categories, but I know that you have to send a DVD about the project/community. maybe the pdconv would be a good place for some interviews and shoot good footage. one principle question for me with submissions is, if someone should be in charge of the pd community? like an official speaker, or a table of people. honestly I think no, but without that it will be more difficult to access some of the money. (does pd development need money at all???...) the more tanglible question is, if there is someone who wants to help getting this done, filming, interviewing, cutting, writing, research. marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://pocketkm.blogspot.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd and 64bit Linux again
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007, Winfried Ritsch wrote: But since one rule is, never guess, measure why, I have a quick question. Is there a profiling tool on oject or message base ? I can remember there was one in Max/FTS, so I can find out the bad objects... ? Since I reimplemented the stack overflow checker so that it really checks every sent message, it's now easier to make a profiler. Actually, I just made one tonight, when reading your email. It looks like this: http://artengine.ca/desiredata/gallery/simple-benchmark.png those green numbers represent real time, measured hierarchically (that is, all sent messages count as part of the sender), whereas it could have excluded sent messages so that all visible times add up (either is more useful than the other sometimes). It is an exhaustive measurement, that is, every message is counted, whereas it could be statistical instead, using unix alarms to make statistics on stack snapshots. You make the green numbers appear by selecting get elapsed from the View menu. This example was made from making a few clicks on the messagebox and it is measured such that 1 unit = 8 cpu ticks. in practice my cpu switched to a higher speed. Correct profiling involves setting the speed of the cpu to a fixed value so that the values can be displayed in actual seconds. If you want to try it out we could meet online and set it up on your computer. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] difference send and using msg with ;
Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: you mean because it would be difficult/impossible to program such a feature or because so many people are already using this.$- strings in their daily patchwork? The latter. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd and 64bit Linux again
Am Freitag, 17. August 2007 17:41 schrieb Miller Puckette: d'oh... no such tools in Pd. (Was there suc ha thing in Max/FTS? I don't remember it :) maybe its to long ago, but I thought in max/fts you could print out a time of operation of each object in the dsp-stack over an amount of ticks on the console, but maybe I am wrong and only we did it an IEM to track down DSP-efficiency. mfg winfried cheers M On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 11:07:08AM +0200, Winfried Ritsch wrote: Hello, I've been getting various real-time problems too, but I'm not sure whether to blame the new Pd version, or the 64-bit kernel, or the new machines I'm running it on. Just to make things one bit more compicated, I've updated the included version of portaudio and added optional callback scheduling too -- I'll probably upload changes to CVS after another day or so of testing. just found out that afeter 2hours and more, netconnections between GUI-Instance and PD-DSP become notible long ( 300ms), maybe the networking ? But since one rule is, never guess, measure why, I have a quick question. Is there a profiling tool on oject or message base ? I can remember there was one in Max/FTS, so I can find out the bad objects... ? mfg winfried cheers Miller On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 11:25:17AM +0200, Winfried Ritsch wrote: Am Donnerstag, 16. August 2007 03:59 schrieb Malte Steiner: Miller Puckette wrote: I think most of the 64-bit bugs only got cleaned up for 0.41 (and the test version in CVS is pretty stable at the moment) ok, I give it a try tomorrow and post back here. Thanks for the info, just run 0.41 on 64studio 64 bit and a complex patch (CUBEmixer) just run fine. But the disk access makes a DAC-slip on the 2.6.22 realtime kernel, much worse than on non-realtimekernel. Is there anything to adjust on the kernel site to get better disk access scheduling ? mfg winfried -- -- - ao.Univ.Prof. DI Winfried Ritsch - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://iem.at/ritsch - Institut fuer Elektronische Musik und Akustik - University of Music and Dramatic Art Graz - Tel. ++43-316-389-3510 (3170) Fax ++43-316-389-3171 - PGP-ID 69617A69 (see keyserver http://wwwkeys.eu.gpg.net/) -- ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pure data browser plugin - xml rpc external
hello list does anyone know where I can find the puredata xmlrpc external? thanks ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] strange canvas behaviour
2007/8/17, Mathieu Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I wrote about this today already. This is because $ is rewritten as # instead of being rewritten as \$ as it should. The # way involves extra code that is both causing your problem and is unnecessary because \$ already gets converted to $ automatically. It should be reported as a bug? a bug according to whom? it was deliberately designed and written like that. It is a bug. If you send a label something# to a canvas, there's no *good* reason why it *should* generate a something$ label. It was *implemented* like that (no matter how deliberately), and that's the cause of this bug. Indeed I think that PD lacks a clean and simple escaping mechanim with which such problems would be avoided. -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Prestiti: con Prometeo fino a 30.000 Euro, senza spese e senza attese! Richiedi subito limporto e la rata che desideri, basta un clic! Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=6914d=18-8 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] strange canvas behaviour
Your patch work fine here on G4 macos 10.4.8 - PD 0.39.2-extended- rc3. The result of F#2 in symbol box is F#2 in canvas. Bye. Jack Le 17 août 07 à 22:23, glerm soares a écrit : strange_canvas.pd ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pure data browser plugin
hello list still trying to compile the pd browser plugin. can anyone tell me where I can find the sources of these externals? xmlrpc external (http://iaem.at)?? - can't find it streaming external (http://iaem.at))) can't find it and for this plugin, can I use the unix sdk on a macIntel? Netscape Plugin SDK http://wp.netscape.com/comprod/ development_partners/plugin_api/index.html thanks ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pure data browser plugin
found some install help on compiling pure data plugin and ran .configure: but there's also a zziplib package missing... machine$ ./configure checking whether qmake is available /configure: line 40: test: too many arguments yes checking whether zziplib is available ...Package zziplib was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `zziplib.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'zziplib' found no! Aborting machine:~/Desktop/PD PLUGIN IARS/iARS machine$ any help? thks ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] audio drop-outs when resizing tables??
Hi, I am getting dsp drop-outs when I resize a table (say a size of 20 or so) if a tabread~ object exists reading from that table, even if I am not listening to the output of the tabread~. Even if the tabread~ is in a switch~ed off subpatch/abstraction. Does PD recompute the whole DSP chain whenever a table (with one or more tabread~ reading from it) is resized? I'm talking about resizing tables by sending them a [resize( message. I tried to isolate it in a simple patch but I couldn't reproduce it. But I think the only difference with the patch where I am experiencing this is the complexity of the global dsp graph, that's why I ask if the dsp graph is recomputed. -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: 250 biglietti da visita Gratis + 42 modelli e Etichette per Indirizzo Gratis + Porta biglietti Gratis -Offerta limitata! Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=6783d=19-8 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Re-targeting sends.
Hi all, Quick question - is there a way to set a new target object for a [send], in the same way it is possible to send a [set xyz( to a [receive~] to change its source? Thanks, robert. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Re-targeting sends.
you can use a message and stat with semicolon followed by the location you want to send to: [;receiver1 123( or with variables: [receiver1 123( | [;$1 $2( that will send 123 to receiver1. marius. Robert Scott wrote: Hi all, Quick question - is there a way to set a new target object for a [send], in the same way it is possible to send a [set xyz( to a [receive~] to change its source? Thanks, robert. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Re-targeting sends.
On Sunday 19 August 2007 02:52, marius schebella wrote: you can use a message and stat with semicolon followed by the location you want to send to: [;receiver1 123( or with variables: [receiver1 123( [;$1 $2( that will send 123 to receiver1. marius. I'd never thought to use a $ as the object selector there - maybe I should go to bed earlier - thankyou marius. One issue though. I'd like to be able to send arbitrary length lists down this send, and the positional parameters wouldn't seem to be able to do this. robert. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Re-targeting sends.
you are right. although I heard some talking about new features with pd 0.40 or 0.41??? frank barknecht also posted a workaround for variable length lists some days ago. http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20070816/a1d74535/attachment.txt marius. Robert Scott wrote: On Sunday 19 August 2007 02:52, marius schebella wrote: you can use a message and stat with semicolon followed by the location you want to send to: [;receiver1 123( or with variables: [receiver1 123( [;$1 $2( that will send 123 to receiver1. marius. I'd never thought to use a $ as the object selector there - maybe I should go to bed earlier - thankyou marius. One issue though. I'd like to be able to send arbitrary length lists down this send, and the positional parameters wouldn't seem to be able to do this. robert. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Re-targeting sends.
I can't remember when I put it in, but send with no arguments now sprouts a second inlet to set the receiver. cheers Miller On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 11:37:10PM -0400, marius schebella wrote: you are right. although I heard some talking about new features with pd 0.40 or 0.41??? frank barknecht also posted a workaround for variable length lists some days ago. http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20070816/a1d74535/attachment.txt marius. Robert Scott wrote: On Sunday 19 August 2007 02:52, marius schebella wrote: you can use a message and stat with semicolon followed by the location you want to send to: [;receiver1 123( or with variables: [receiver1 123( [;$1 $2( that will send 123 to receiver1. marius. I'd never thought to use a $ as the object selector there - maybe I should go to bed earlier - thankyou marius. One issue though. I'd like to be able to send arbitrary length lists down this send, and the positional parameters wouldn't seem to be able to do this. robert. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
