[PD] Tidy question

[Jonathan Wilkes]

Hi list,
 Has anyone ever tried increasing the values for XTOLERANCE and
YTOLERANCE in g_editor.c to improve the usefulness of "Tidy Up"?

Like maybe jacking both values up to 14, for example?  Currently, 
objects have to be within 4 vertical or 3 horizontal pixels of each
other for "tidy up" to do anything at all.

I would try it myself but I'm on windows and haven't yet investigated 
the whole build process.

Thanks,
Jonathan


  

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Re: [PD] pd-extended 0.41.4 jack autoconnect issues

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

Hi all,

On Ubuntu Jaunty, pd-extended for some reason fails to automatically connect
to JACK (running whatever came with Jaunty). I've upgraded from Intrepid so
that may have something to do with it. Manual connection after Pd has
started works fine, but I am just trying to figure out where I could trace
this problem.

Please advise.

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Re: [PD] jack_transport improvements

[Alex]

This is pretty nice... thanks!  I changed 1 thing and added another
method to the external which might be useful for others [updated the
help with that].

First, I figured the external shouldn't try to start the jack server
if it isn't already started.. so i changed the options used for
creating the client to reflect that.

Second, I created a 'locate' method, which lets you set a new location
for the transport [giving it a frame number]..  Most usefully, |locate
0( to put the transport back to the beginning.

I've attached the diff and the updated help file.

-Ale

On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Andy Farnell
 wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:31:12 -0600
> "Jacob Lee"  wrote:
>
>> What are you using as the jack transport master? This external doesn't
>> have the capability to act as the master, so something else has to set
>> the tempo and time signature (that's what I'm using klick for). And pd
>> has to be computing audio, since the plugin gets the current transport
>> position during the pd dsp cycle. Those are the two things I would
>> check. (I don't think jackd prints anything in this case, by the way.)
>
>
> qjackctl under linux
>
>
> I think it defaults to 120bpm 4/4
>
> Messages usually  appear in the qjackctl window (with Ardour etc)
>
> Pretty sure audio DSP was running, will check it again tonight,
>
> Andy
>
>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Andy Farnell
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >  Hi Jacob
>> >
>> >  Connects to jack server ok. Reports good connection. Can start and stop
>> >  transport.
>> >
>> >  But;
>> >
>> >  No transport notification message printed by jackd
>> >  Query doesn't work, no data on outlets
>> >
>> >  Haven't had time to debug yet, could be something my end.
>> >
>> >  a.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:51:27 -0600
>> >  "Jacob Lee"  wrote:
>> >
>> >  > I've added some code to the jack_transport external
>> >  > (tb/jack_transport/ in pd-extended) to show the current bar/beat (and
>> >  > also bpm and tempo) in real time. Messages are only sent out when pd
>> >  > is computing audio, and also no more than once per beat (to avoid
>> >  > floods of messages).
>> >  >
>> >  > I'm not outputting all the available information from the jack
>> >  > transport -- e.g. the current tick within the beat -- either because
>> >  > it updates too quickly or because it's just not useful to me, but it
>> >  > would be trivial to add those.
>> >  >
>> >  > The motivation here is that I'm using klick --
>> >  > http://das.nasophon.de/klick/ -- as the jack transport master (mainly
>> >  > to control sooperlooper), and now it is possible to trigger events
>> >  > within pd at particular beats or bar numbers.
>> >  >
>> >  > The code is available at
>> >  > http://artdent.homelinux.net/svn/jack_transport~/ . The makefile
>> >  > should be suitable for building jack_transport~ from inside a
>> >  > directory that is sibling to the existing jack_transport. I've only
>> >  > tested it on Linux, but it should work anywhere jack_transport does.
>> >  >
>> >  > I hope this external is useful to others. Suggestions for improvements
>> >  > are of course welcome.
>> >  >
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--- jack_transport~-orig.c	2009-05-27 12:29:43.0 -0700
+++ jack_transport~.c	2009-05-27 15:55:19.0 -0700
@@ -49,7 +49,7 @@
 static void jack_transport_connect(jack_transport_tilde_t * x)
 {
 	x->x_jack_client = jack_client_open("pure_data_jack_transport",
-	JackNullOption, NULL);
+	JackNoStartServer, NULL);
 	if (!x->x_jack_client) {
 		post("jack_transport~: can't connect to jack server");
 		return;
@@ -103,6 +103,14 @@
 	jack_transport_stop(x->x_jack_client);
 }
 
+static void jack_transport_locater(jack_transport_tilde_t * x, t_floatarg f)
+{
+	if (!x->x_jack_client)
+		return;
+
+	jack_transport_locate(x->x_jack_client, (jack_nframes_t)f);
+}
+
 t_int *jack_transport_tilde_perform(t_int *w)
 {
 	jack_transport_tilde_t *x = (jack_transport_tilde_t *)(w[1]);
@@ -195,6 +203,9 @@
 	(t_method)jack_transport_stopper,
 	gensym("stop"), 0, 0);
 	class_addmethod(jack_

Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!

[Matt Barber]

I agree.

Thanks for the help, and I'll post back if I can track down a solution.

Matt

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:
>
> Ok, I fixed another 8.5 issue, this one with the Help Browser. I am
> afraid that the issue of the iemgui's label fonts looks complicated so
> that's going to have to wait for the next release.
>
> .hc
>
>
> On Wed, 27 May 2009 00:11 -0400, "Matt Barber" 
> wrote:
>> PS -- this Fedora hack almost works well for object and message boxes
>> -- some of the mappings seem wrong (fiddling with the values in gnome
>> on Fedora 10 changes nothing for me).
>>
>> This hack also doesn't affect font size for labels on gui objects
>> (sliders, bangs, etc.) -- these are too large still.  I haven't yet
>> tried it in data structures.  I have a feeling something awful is
>> afoot.
>>
>> I'll post screenshot comparisons when I can get back to my fedora
>> machine.
>>
>>
>> Thanks a bunch for your patience on this,
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Excellent, could you add info that to the FAQ entry on this topic:
>> >
>> > http://puredata.info/docs/faq/on-gnu-linux-the-fonts-are-strange-and-or-too-big-or-small
>> >
>> > .hc
>> >
>> > On May 26, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Hector Centeno wrote:
>> >
>> >> ah! I found the source of the problem. Googling for the font size
>> >> issue in Fedora I found that it seems that Gnome in Fedora 10 has
>> >> problems auto-detecting the right DPI for the display. In the Font
>> >> section of the Appearance Preferences, clicking on "Details" shows a
>> >> configuration window where the resolution in DPI can be set. I changed
>> >> that to 96 and the fonts work fine in PD with the original values in
>> >> Pd-0.41.4-extended-rc3.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Hector
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Hector Centeno 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> Yes, I do have that code in pd.tk which I had already hacked before
>> >>> in
>> >>> a similar way. Under OpenSuse those font sizes work fine but in
>> >>> Fedora
>> >>> the 8 has to be changed by 7 like this:
>> >>>
>> >>> set sizelist "5 6 7 9 10 12 14 16 19 25"
>> >>>
>> >>> For some reason in general the fonts in Fedora look bigger. After
>> >>> getting use to the sizes in OpenSuse I had to reduce everything in
>> >>> the
>> >>> gnome settings.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>>
>> >>> Hector
>>
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Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!

[Dafydd Hughes]

Huh. Ok - I'll do some more digging. Thanks.

cheers
dafydd

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:
>
> Hey Dafydd,
>
> It seems that you have something funky going on.  I am running Jaunty
> 9.04 on my machine, and iemlib, zexy, osxc, etc. are all there and
> working.
>
> .hc
>
>
> On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:33 -0400, "Dafydd Hughes" 
> wrote:
>> Hi Hans-Christoph
>>
>> Thanks for all you work on this.
>>
>> These may be eeepc-related issues, but here are a few things I've hit
>> on my eeepc 701/Ubuntu 9.04:
>> zexy: can't load library
>> Looks like no OSC externals, no iemlib.
>> Looks like Pd is only good for 1 run per session. On second run, I
>> can't open any windows (Like loading a patch, New, Test Audio & MIDI)
>> and I need to kill pd manually. (almost certain that's a eeepc issue.)
>>
>> Like I said, these problems may be eeepc things, but I thought I'd
>> mention. I will keep bashing at it and I'll let you know if I learn
>> anything.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> cheers
>> dafydd
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I think this is basically ready to go
>> >
>> >
>> > http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
>> >
>> > Please test on Windows and give feedback!  I haven't heard anything about
>> > Windows.  It's looking ready for release, so please try it if you haven't
>> > already so we can find the last bugs.  As far as I know, there aren't any
>> > outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this release.  So I think this 
>> > is
>> > the release.
>> >
>> > Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!
>> >
>> > http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker
>> >
>> > This release candidate includes:
>> > * on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5
>> > * moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms
>> > * fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib, bsaylor, and
>> > sigpack
>> > * (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are some
>> > really flaky audio cards in Windows land
>> > * (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware that I have
>> > tested in the past 7 years works with that
>> >
>> > KNOWN BUGS
>> >
>> > Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs, and if you
>> > find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add your information
>> > there.
>> >
>> > - Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup 
>> > preferences
>> >
>> > - pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd
>> >
>> > - loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying to load
>> > it
>> >
>> > 
>> >
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Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!

[Max]

what about the weired select-text-in-the-about-window-and-close-to- 
crash-pd bug? it's in the bug tracker since a while and still present.


m.

Am 27.05.2009 um 23:37 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner:



Ok, I fixed another 8.5 issue, this one with the Help Browser. I am
afraid that the issue of the iemgui's label fonts looks complicated so
that's going to have to wait for the next release.

.hc


On Wed, 27 May 2009 00:11 -0400, "Matt Barber" 
wrote:

PS -- this Fedora hack almost works well for object and message boxes
-- some of the mappings seem wrong (fiddling with the values in gnome
on Fedora 10 changes nothing for me).

This hack also doesn't affect font size for labels on gui objects
(sliders, bangs, etc.) -- these are too large still.  I haven't yet
tried it in data structures.  I have a feeling something awful is
afoot.

I'll post screenshot comparisons when I can get back to my fedora
machine.


Thanks a bunch for your patience on this,

Matt





Excellent, could you add info that to the FAQ entry on this topic:

http://puredata.info/docs/faq/on-gnu-linux-the-fonts-are-strange-and-or-too-big-or-small

.hc

On May 26, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Hector Centeno wrote:


ah! I found the source of the problem. Googling for the font size
issue in Fedora I found that it seems that Gnome in Fedora 10 has
problems auto-detecting the right DPI for the display. In the Font
section of the Appearance Preferences, clicking on "Details"  
shows a
configuration window where the resolution in DPI can be set. I  
changed
that to 96 and the fonts work fine in PD with the original values  
in

Pd-0.41.4-extended-rc3.

Cheers,

Hector


On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Hector Centeno 
wrote:
Yes, I do have that code in pd.tk which I had already hacked  
before

in
a similar way. Under OpenSuse those font sizes work fine but in
Fedora
the 8 has to be changed by 7 like this:

set sizelist "5 6 7 9 10 12 14 16 19 25"

For some reason in general the fonts in Fedora look bigger. After
getting use to the sizes in OpenSuse I had to reduce everything in
the
gnome settings.

Cheers,

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Re: [PD] rewire for pd?

[Mike Moser-Booth]

Uh, yeah. I should have said "open source/linux-based." I actually 
checked Renoise before I posted, as I though that might be the one that 
did have jack transport. Of course, jack is only available on the linux 
version.


.mmb

Si Mills wrote:
Funny you should say - here's an example of Jack transport being 
incorporated into a closed source product (Linux only?!)


http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/26/renoise-21-now-with-mac-pc-rewire-plus-jack-on-linux-live-performance-tools/ 



On 23 May 2009, at 15:32, Mike Moser-Booth wrote:


(sorry Luigi, forgot to include the list)
Luigi wrote:

Hi Joao

As i understand -

there is nothing you can do with rewire, that cannot be done with 
jack, right ?


Please correct me if i'am wrong

ReWire has transport syncing and is widely supported by most commercial
software. I know there's jack-transport, but I don't know of anything
that's not an open source linux-based app that uses it. Also, on OSX
ReWire is more reliable than IAC for sending MIDI.

The major downside to ReWire, though, is that audio can only go one way:
from slave to master. This has pissed me off more than once. It'd be
nice if jack-transport support could spread beyond open source software,
as it would likely make open source software more accessible.

.mmb


Luigi

Am 23.Mai.09 um 23.Mai.09 MESZ 13:25 schrieb João Pais:

Hi, anyone interested in adding rewire support for pd? So far I 
read the protocoll is free, though proprietary. (but I don't know 
much about it)


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Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Ok, I fixed another 8.5 issue, this one with the Help Browser. I am
afraid that the issue of the iemgui's label fonts looks complicated so
that's going to have to wait for the next release.

.hc


On Wed, 27 May 2009 00:11 -0400, "Matt Barber" 
wrote:
> PS -- this Fedora hack almost works well for object and message boxes
> -- some of the mappings seem wrong (fiddling with the values in gnome
> on Fedora 10 changes nothing for me).
> 
> This hack also doesn't affect font size for labels on gui objects
> (sliders, bangs, etc.) -- these are too large still.  I haven't yet
> tried it in data structures.  I have a feeling something awful is
> afoot.
> 
> I'll post screenshot comparisons when I can get back to my fedora
> machine.
> 
> 
> Thanks a bunch for your patience on this,
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > Excellent, could you add info that to the FAQ entry on this topic:
> >
> > http://puredata.info/docs/faq/on-gnu-linux-the-fonts-are-strange-and-or-too-big-or-small
> >
> > .hc
> >
> > On May 26, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Hector Centeno wrote:
> >
> >> ah! I found the source of the problem. Googling for the font size
> >> issue in Fedora I found that it seems that Gnome in Fedora 10 has
> >> problems auto-detecting the right DPI for the display. In the Font
> >> section of the Appearance Preferences, clicking on "Details" shows a
> >> configuration window where the resolution in DPI can be set. I changed
> >> that to 96 and the fonts work fine in PD with the original values in
> >> Pd-0.41.4-extended-rc3.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Hector
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Hector Centeno 
> >> wrote:
> >>> Yes, I do have that code in pd.tk which I had already hacked before
> >>> in
> >>> a similar way. Under OpenSuse those font sizes work fine but in
> >>> Fedora
> >>> the 8 has to be changed by 7 like this:
> >>>
> >>> set sizelist "5 6 7 9 10 12 14 16 19 25"
> >>>
> >>> For some reason in general the fonts in Fedora look bigger. After
> >>> getting use to the sizes in OpenSuse I had to reduce everything in
> >>> the
> >>> gnome settings.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Hector
> 

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Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Hey Dafydd, 

It seems that you have something funky going on.  I am running Jaunty
9.04 on my machine, and iemlib, zexy, osxc, etc. are all there and
working.

.hc 


On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:33 -0400, "Dafydd Hughes" 
wrote:
> Hi Hans-Christoph
> 
> Thanks for all you work on this.
> 
> These may be eeepc-related issues, but here are a few things I've hit
> on my eeepc 701/Ubuntu 9.04:
> zexy: can't load library
> Looks like no OSC externals, no iemlib.
> Looks like Pd is only good for 1 run per session. On second run, I
> can't open any windows (Like loading a patch, New, Test Audio & MIDI)
> and I need to kill pd manually. (almost certain that's a eeepc issue.)
> 
> Like I said, these problems may be eeepc things, but I thought I'd
> mention. I will keep bashing at it and I'll let you know if I learn
> anything.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> cheers
> dafydd
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner 
> wrote:
> >
> > I think this is basically ready to go
> >
> >
> > http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
> >
> > Please test on Windows and give feedback!  I haven't heard anything about
> > Windows.  It's looking ready for release, so please try it if you haven't
> > already so we can find the last bugs.  As far as I know, there aren't any
> > outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this release.  So I think this is
> > the release.
> >
> > Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!
> >
> > http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker
> >
> > This release candidate includes:
> > * on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5
> > * moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms
> > * fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib, bsaylor, and
> > sigpack
> > * (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are some
> > really flaky audio cards in Windows land
> > * (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware that I have
> > tested in the past 7 years works with that
> >
> > KNOWN BUGS
> >
> > Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs, and if you
> > find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add your information
> > there.
> >
> > - Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup preferences
> >
> > - pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd
> >
> > - loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying to load
> > it
> >
> > 
> >
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> >
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Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I know little about Jack, and I think this bug is also in vanilla, so  
its pretty unlikely to be fixed this time around.  Try nagging  
IOhannes :)


.hc

On May 27, 2009, at 4:23 AM, Si Mills wrote:


Hi Hans

Is the Jack OSX cpu issue likely to be fixed for this release? All  
in all its felling really tight this version!


cheers

On 27 May 2009, at 05:11, Matt Barber wrote:


PS -- this Fedora hack almost works well for object and message boxes
-- some of the mappings seem wrong (fiddling with the values in gnome
on Fedora 10 changes nothing for me).

This hack also doesn't affect font size for labels on gui objects
(sliders, bangs, etc.) -- these are too large still.  I haven't yet
tried it in data structures.  I have a feeling something awful is
afoot.

I'll post screenshot comparisons when I can get back to my fedora  
machine.



Thanks a bunch for your patience on this,

Matt





Excellent, could you add info that to the FAQ entry on this topic:

http://puredata.info/docs/faq/on-gnu-linux-the-fonts-are-strange-and-or-too-big-or-small

.hc

On May 26, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Hector Centeno wrote:


ah! I found the source of the problem. Googling for the font size
issue in Fedora I found that it seems that Gnome in Fedora 10 has
problems auto-detecting the right DPI for the display. In the Font
section of the Appearance Preferences, clicking on "Details"  
shows a
configuration window where the resolution in DPI can be set. I  
changed
that to 96 and the fonts work fine in PD with the original values  
in

Pd-0.41.4-extended-rc3.

Cheers,

Hector


On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Hector Centeno 
wrote:
Yes, I do have that code in pd.tk which I had already hacked  
before

in
a similar way. Under OpenSuse those font sizes work fine but in
Fedora
the 8 has to be changed by 7 like this:

set sizelist "5 6 7 9 10 12 14 16 19 25"

For some reason in general the fonts in Fedora look bigger. After
getting use to the sizes in OpenSuse I had to reduce everything in
the
gnome settings.

Cheers,

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Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

No need to upgrade before your performance.  The ones to use are the  
ones on the release candidate page.


.hc

On May 26, 2009, at 8:16 PM, João Pais wrote:

for what's worth: I'm on a sensitive moment now (final stretch to  
audio-video performance next sunday in salamanca). I can look at  
this after that, though.

are the most actual versions on the nightly builds?

2009/5/26 Hans-Christoph Steiner 

I think this is basically ready to go


http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html

Please test on Windows and give feedback!  I haven't heard anything  
about Windows.  It's looking ready for release, so please try it if  
you haven't already so we can find the last bugs.  As far as I know,  
there aren't any outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this  
release.  So I think this is the release.


Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!

http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker

This release candidate includes:
* on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5
* moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms
* fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib,  
bsaylor, and sigpack
* (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are  
some really flaky audio cards in Windows land
* (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware that  
I have tested in the past 7 years works with that


KNOWN BUGS

Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs, and  
if you find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add  
your information there.


- Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup  
preferences


- pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd

- loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying  
to load it




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Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Thanks, glad its useful.  I am guessing that also means its working  
for you ;)


.hc

On May 26, 2009, at 10:00 PM, Tom Dunstan wrote:


Thanks Hans

This is really amazing and has been a great help.

t

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
 wrote:


I think this is basically ready to go


http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html

Please test on Windows and give feedback!  I haven't heard anything  
about Windows.  It's looking ready for release, so please try it if  
you haven't already so we can find the last bugs.  As far as I know,  
there aren't any outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this  
release.  So I think this is the release.


Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!

http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker

This release candidate includes:
* on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5
* moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms
* fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib,  
bsaylor, and sigpack
* (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are  
some really flaky audio cards in Windows land
* (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware that  
I have tested in the past 7 years works with that


KNOWN BUGS

Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs, and  
if you find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add  
your information there.


- Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup  
preferences


- pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd

- loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying  
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Re: [PD] Slow cpu/RJDJ patching approach ...

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On May 27, 2009, at 2:43 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:


Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

On May 26, 2009, at 1:52 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Yeah, I agree that the communications are a big part of it.  Part  
of writing a custom GUI would be to write a simple communications  
to suit the needs at hand.
But I think that the slowness in Pd's GUI is not even that much  
due to communications, but rather how the code is structured.   
For example, if you move on element in an array, instead of  
issuing a single Tk 'move' command, Pd deletes the whole array,  
then recreates it.


this is (among other things) what i mean by "busted communication".

And Dan, I also share your frustration with the common attitude  
on this list of "it is what it is".  That's why I am working on  
re-writing the Pd GUI from scratch in pure Tcl with the aim of  
making it use Tcl/Tk is a clean and sensible manner (aka Pd-devel  
0.41.4).


oh, i thought you wanted miller to include the code of Pd- 
devel...seems like you got off the track :-(
Um, how is this mutually exclusive?  My motivation in working on pd- 
devel is unchanged.


it is mutually exclusive by what miller has said on this topic.
i wish it wasn't

From what I gather, Miller is more or less game for including that  
work.


[...]
In particular, I want to structure the code around the idea of a  
communications API that uses Pd messages for both directions.  For  
now, it will use the existing pd<-->pd-gui API, then the next step  
would be working on the C side of things once Miller has included it.


as far as i understand it, miller has stated several times  
explicitely that he is fine with re-structuring the tcl/tk code.
however (and this is the crucial part), he is not going to accept  
any substantial changes to the C-part of it.

hopefully this will change.


if i had more time, i would have started this myself several times...



I think you are crying wolf here (or rather crying "fork"), and I  
don't see any reason why.  The idea of this pd-devel effort has not  
changed, from what Miller's told me, the work is acceptable to him.   
And the code is being structured to use Tcl/Tk better.  I am hoping  
for more submissions from people who know Tcl/Tk better to go in that  
direction.  I am also hoping to lay the groundwork for the C-side  
changes which will come later.


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Re: [PD] pidid and a camera dv/via usb converter on ubuntu

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

ydego...@gmail.com wrote:

ola,




it even works with sudo here,

señor iohannes doesn't read the mail well,


ah indeed, you _do_ use sudo and it works...


no i don't run xsession as root,


but anyhow, it just proves the rest oh my email.


and who cares anyway
if it works?


now, who does?


so why another useless communication?


probably to garbage any heuristic filters, like echelon and namazu?


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Re: [PD] pidid and a camera dv/via usb converter on ubuntu

[ydego...@gmail.com]

ola,




it even works with sudo here,

señor iohannes doesn't read the mail well,
no i don't run xsession as root,
and who cares anyway
if it works?
so why another useless communication?

sevy


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Re: [PD] pidid and a camera dv/via usb converter on ubuntu

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

ydego...@gmail.com wrote:

Husk 00 wrote:
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:10 PM, ydego...@gmail.com 
 > wrote:



it's not a real problem
( although you start pd in a strange environment,
without $PWD )


It's true. Strangely  if I lauch pd with sudo it lost $PWD variable. 
If I lauch pd as root user (I mean sudo su - and then pd) every thing 
works fine.





it even works with sudo here,
so your environment is very strange



most likely it works fine because you are doing it without sudo.
afaiu, yves is running the entire X-session as root, whereas husk tries 
to run to X-session as user nad only run Pd as root.


i would not recommend anyone to run everything as root if they do not 
know what they are doing. (e.g. if setting the permissions of a device 
is already a problem, then running everything as root might create more 
harm than good). yes, i know that this sounds a bit elitist. i don't 
know how to put it into better words...


fgmasdr
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Re: [PD] pidid and a camera dv/via usb converter on ubuntu

[ydego...@gmail.com]

Husk 00 wrote:
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:10 PM, ydego...@gmail.com 
 > wrote:



it's not a real problem
( although you start pd in a strange environment,
without $PWD )


It's true. Strangely  if I lauch pd with sudo it lost $PWD variable. 
If I lauch pd as root user (I mean sudo su - and then pd) every thing 
works fine.





it even works with sudo here,
so your environment is very strange

sevy

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Re: [PD] K8061 USB interface board in PD on Mac

[Martin Peach]

Wilfred de Zoete wrote:

Hello everybody,

for some interface experiments I got hold of an USB interface kit from 
Velleman, the K8061. More info: 
http://www.velleman.be/ot/en/product/view/?id=364910
This board comes with software for windows computers, a.o. a .dll file 
for communication.

My system is a MacBook Pro november 2008 with OS X 10.5.6.

Are there people out there who have already used this board in Pure Data 
and/or on Mac OS X?
I have already tried to get some data out of it with HID and although 
HID works good for joysticks and game controllers it does not get data 
from this kit.




I have never seen this kit before but it's probably using USB as a 
serial port, not a mouse/joystick, so [comport] should give some output...


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Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!

[Dafydd Hughes]

Hi Hans-Christoph

Thanks for all you work on this.

These may be eeepc-related issues, but here are a few things I've hit
on my eeepc 701/Ubuntu 9.04:
zexy: can't load library
Looks like no OSC externals, no iemlib.
Looks like Pd is only good for 1 run per session. On second run, I
can't open any windows (Like loading a patch, New, Test Audio & MIDI)
and I need to kill pd manually. (almost certain that's a eeepc issue.)

Like I said, these problems may be eeepc things, but I thought I'd
mention. I will keep bashing at it and I'll let you know if I learn
anything.

Thanks again.

cheers
dafydd


On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:
>
> I think this is basically ready to go
>
>
> http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
>
> Please test on Windows and give feedback!  I haven't heard anything about
> Windows.  It's looking ready for release, so please try it if you haven't
> already so we can find the last bugs.  As far as I know, there aren't any
> outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this release.  So I think this is
> the release.
>
> Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker!
>
> http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker
>
> This release candidate includes:
> * on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5
> * moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms
> * fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib, bsaylor, and
> sigpack
> * (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are some
> really flaky audio cards in Windows land
> * (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware that I have
> tested in the past 7 years works with that
>
> KNOWN BUGS
>
> Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs, and if you
> find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add your information
> there.
>
> - Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup preferences
>
> - pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd
>
> - loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying to load
> it
>
> 
>
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>
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Re: [PD] pidid and a camera dv/via usb converter on ubuntu

[Husk 00]

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:10 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>>  it's not a real problem
> ( although you start pd in a strange environment,
> without $PWD )


It's true. Strangely  if I lauch pd with sudo it lost $PWD variable. If I
lauch pd as root user (I mean sudo su - and then pd) every thing works fine.


>
>
> if you do this form a terminal,
> it doesn't happen.
>
>
> and you can always fix it with a [location /tmp(
> message so there's no harm at all,
> nothing crashed.


When I launh pd with sudo it loads correctly playlist external but when I
try to create it gives me the error message I wrote before and pd doesn't
recognize the object. So I can't give the location message to playlist.

>
>
> ciao,
> sevy
>


ciao,
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Re: [PD] pidid and a camera dv/via usb converter on ubuntu

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husk wrote:

ydego...@gmail.com ha scritto:

Husk 00 wrote:
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:11 AM, t'es in t'es bat 
mailto:tesintes...@gmail.com>> wrote:


hello,
yes i try many possibilities of pd and right now i succed to
making work
a 4 screen ubuntu computer with rendering on every screen...
A tool for live se...


cool!



How can i be root to use pdp_ieee1394
I'd just launch pd with a gksudo ???


You can launch PD from a terminal as root (sudo pd). But, as some 
objects have problems if you are using it as super user (like 
playlist for example), it's better to change permissions to the 
device you want to use. In this way you don't really need to be root.

totally wrong!!!
you can't use playlist if you're root, what's that?
( i do this everyday almost,
except when i'm bored with pd )

Ok, but never worked in my machines (neither in others where I tryed).
BTW, this is the error: playlist: could you not get current directory 
(where the hell are you??? )



it's not a real problem
( although you start pd in a strange environment,
without $PWD )

if you do this form a terminal,
it doesn't happen.


and you can always fix it with a [location /tmp(
message so there's no harm at all,
nothing crashed.

ciao,
sevy

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Re: [PD] pidid and a camera dv/via usb converter on ubuntu

[husk]

ydego...@gmail.com ha scritto:

Husk 00 wrote:
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:11 AM, t'es in t'es bat 
mailto:tesintes...@gmail.com>> wrote:


hello,
yes i try many possibilities of pd and right now i succed to
making work
a 4 screen ubuntu computer with rendering on every screen...
A tool for live se...


cool!



How can i be root to use pdp_ieee1394
I'd just launch pd with a gksudo ???


You can launch PD from a terminal as root (sudo pd). But, as some 
objects have problems if you are using it as super user (like 
playlist for example), it's better to change permissions to the 
device you want to use. In this way you don't really need to be root.

totally wrong!!!
you can't use playlist if you're root, what's that?
( i do this everyday almost,
except when i'm bored with pd )

Ok, but never worked in my machines (neither in others where I tryed).
BTW, this is the error: playlist: could you not get current directory 
(where the hell are you??? )



and changing permissions is not enough for pdp_ieee1394,
why people speak if they don't know?
Because, maybe, they know what are saying. Or maybe my user is a super 
user




i'm still puzzled

sevy

adios Yves, don't be puzzled, ripigliati!

husk

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Re: [PD] rewire for pd?

[Si Mills]

Funny you should say - here's an example of Jack transport being  
incorporated into a closed source product (Linux only?!)


http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/26/renoise-21-now-with-mac-pc-rewire-plus-jack-on-linux-live-performance-tools/

On 23 May 2009, at 15:32, Mike Moser-Booth wrote:


(sorry Luigi, forgot to include the list)
Luigi wrote:

Hi Joao

As i understand -

there is nothing you can do with rewire, that cannot be done with  
jack, right ?


Please correct me if i'am wrong
ReWire has transport syncing and is widely supported by most  
commercial

software. I know there's jack-transport, but I don't know of anything
that's not an open source linux-based app that uses it. Also, on OSX
ReWire is more reliable than IAC for sending MIDI.

The major downside to ReWire, though, is that audio can only go one  
way:

from slave to master. This has pissed me off more than once. It'd be
nice if jack-transport support could spread beyond open source  
software,

as it would likely make open source software more accessible.

.mmb


Luigi

Am 23.Mai.09 um 23.Mai.09 MESZ 13:25 schrieb João Pais:

Hi, anyone interested in adding rewire support for pd? So far I  
read the protocoll is free, though proprietary. (but I don't know  
much about it)


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Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!

[Si Mills]

Hi Hans

Is the Jack OSX cpu issue likely to be fixed for this release? All in  
all its felling really tight this version!


cheers

On 27 May 2009, at 05:11, Matt Barber wrote:


PS -- this Fedora hack almost works well for object and message boxes
-- some of the mappings seem wrong (fiddling with the values in gnome
on Fedora 10 changes nothing for me).

This hack also doesn't affect font size for labels on gui objects
(sliders, bangs, etc.) -- these are too large still.  I haven't yet
tried it in data structures.  I have a feeling something awful is
afoot.

I'll post screenshot comparisons when I can get back to my fedora  
machine.



Thanks a bunch for your patience on this,

Matt





Excellent, could you add info that to the FAQ entry on this topic:

http://puredata.info/docs/faq/on-gnu-linux-the-fonts-are-strange-and-or-too-big-or-small

.hc

On May 26, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Hector Centeno wrote:


ah! I found the source of the problem. Googling for the font size
issue in Fedora I found that it seems that Gnome in Fedora 10 has
problems auto-detecting the right DPI for the display. In the Font
section of the Appearance Preferences, clicking on "Details" shows a
configuration window where the resolution in DPI can be set. I  
changed

that to 96 and the fonts work fine in PD with the original values in
Pd-0.41.4-extended-rc3.

Cheers,

Hector


On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Hector Centeno 
wrote:

Yes, I do have that code in pd.tk which I had already hacked before
in
a similar way. Under OpenSuse those font sizes work fine but in
Fedora
the 8 has to be changed by 7 like this:

set sizelist "5 6 7 9 10 12 14 16 19 25"

For some reason in general the fonts in Fedora look bigger. After
getting use to the sizes in OpenSuse I had to reduce everything in
the
gnome settings.

Cheers,

Hector


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[PD] K8061 USB interface board in PD on Mac

[Wilfred de Zoete]

Hello everybody,

for some interface experiments I got hold of an USB interface kit from 
Velleman, the K8061. More info: 
http://www.velleman.be/ot/en/product/view/?id=364910
This board comes with software for windows computers, a.o. a .dll file 
for communication.

My system is a MacBook Pro november 2008 with OS X 10.5.6.

Are there people out there who have already used this board in Pure Data 
and/or on Mac OS X?
I have already tried to get some data out of it with HID and although 
HID works good for joysticks and game controllers it does not get data 
from this kit.


Thanks in advance!

Wilfred
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