Re: [PD] Slow cpu/RJDJ patching approach ...
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On May 26, 2009, at 1:52 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Yeah, I agree that the communications are a big part of it. Part of writing a custom GUI would be to write a simple communications to suit the needs at hand. But I think that the slowness in Pd's GUI is not even that much due to communications, but rather how the code is structured. For example, if you move on element in an array, instead of issuing a single Tk 'move' command, Pd deletes the whole array, then recreates it. this is (among other things) what i mean by busted communication. And Dan, I also share your frustration with the common attitude on this list of it is what it is. That's why I am working on re-writing the Pd GUI from scratch in pure Tcl with the aim of making it use Tcl/Tk is a clean and sensible manner (aka Pd-devel 0.41.4). oh, i thought you wanted miller to include the code of Pd-devel...seems like you got off the track :-( Um, how is this mutually exclusive? My motivation in working on pd-devel is unchanged. it is mutually exclusive by what miller has said on this topic. i wish it wasn't From what I gather, Miller is more or less game for including that work. [...] In particular, I want to structure the code around the idea of a communications API that uses Pd messages for both directions. For now, it will use the existing pd--pd-gui API, then the next step would be working on the C side of things once Miller has included it. as far as i understand it, miller has stated several times explicitely that he is fine with re-structuring the tcl/tk code. however (and this is the crucial part), he is not going to accept any substantial changes to the C-part of it. hopefully this will change. if i had more time, i would have started this myself several times... fmasdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] K8061 USB interface board in PD on Mac
Hello everybody, for some interface experiments I got hold of an USB interface kit from Velleman, the K8061. More info: http://www.velleman.be/ot/en/product/view/?id=364910 This board comes with software for windows computers, a.o. a .dll file for communication. My system is a MacBook Pro november 2008 with OS X 10.5.6. Are there people out there who have already used this board in Pure Data and/or on Mac OS X? I have already tried to get some data out of it with HID and although HID works good for joysticks and game controllers it does not get data from this kit. Thanks in advance! Wilfred ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!
Hi Hans Is the Jack OSX cpu issue likely to be fixed for this release? All in all its felling really tight this version! cheers On 27 May 2009, at 05:11, Matt Barber wrote: PS -- this Fedora hack almost works well for object and message boxes -- some of the mappings seem wrong (fiddling with the values in gnome on Fedora 10 changes nothing for me). This hack also doesn't affect font size for labels on gui objects (sliders, bangs, etc.) -- these are too large still. I haven't yet tried it in data structures. I have a feeling something awful is afoot. I'll post screenshot comparisons when I can get back to my fedora machine. Thanks a bunch for your patience on this, Matt Excellent, could you add info that to the FAQ entry on this topic: http://puredata.info/docs/faq/on-gnu-linux-the-fonts-are-strange-and-or-too-big-or-small .hc On May 26, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Hector Centeno wrote: ah! I found the source of the problem. Googling for the font size issue in Fedora I found that it seems that Gnome in Fedora 10 has problems auto-detecting the right DPI for the display. In the Font section of the Appearance Preferences, clicking on Details shows a configuration window where the resolution in DPI can be set. I changed that to 96 and the fonts work fine in PD with the original values in Pd-0.41.4-extended-rc3. Cheers, Hector On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Hector Centeno hcen...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I do have that code in pd.tk which I had already hacked before in a similar way. Under OpenSuse those font sizes work fine but in Fedora the 8 has to be changed by 7 like this: set sizelist 5 6 7 9 10 12 14 16 19 25 For some reason in general the fonts in Fedora look bigger. After getting use to the sizes in OpenSuse I had to reduce everything in the gnome settings. Cheers, Hector ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] rewire for pd?
Funny you should say - here's an example of Jack transport being incorporated into a closed source product (Linux only?!) http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/26/renoise-21-now-with-mac-pc-rewire-plus-jack-on-linux-live-performance-tools/ On 23 May 2009, at 15:32, Mike Moser-Booth wrote: (sorry Luigi, forgot to include the list) Luigi wrote: Hi Joao As i understand - there is nothing you can do with rewire, that cannot be done with jack, right ? Please correct me if i'am wrong ReWire has transport syncing and is widely supported by most commercial software. I know there's jack-transport, but I don't know of anything that's not an open source linux-based app that uses it. Also, on OSX ReWire is more reliable than IAC for sending MIDI. The major downside to ReWire, though, is that audio can only go one way: from slave to master. This has pissed me off more than once. It'd be nice if jack-transport support could spread beyond open source software, as it would likely make open source software more accessible. .mmb Luigi Am 23.Mai.09 um 23.Mai.09 MESZ 13:25 schrieb João Pais: Hi, anyone interested in adding rewire support for pd? So far I read the protocoll is free, though proprietary. (but I don't know much about it) João Pais -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list - Dipl-Toning.(FH) Luigi Rensinghoff mobil: 0177-5412191 skype: gigischinke luigi.rensingh...@freenet.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pidid and a camera dv/via usb converter on ubuntu
ydego...@gmail.com ha scritto: Husk 00 wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:11 AM, t'es in t'es bat tesintes...@gmail.com mailto:tesintes...@gmail.com wrote: hello, yes i try many possibilities of pd and right now i succed to making work a 4 screen ubuntu computer with rendering on every screen... A tool for live se... cool! How can i be root to use pdp_ieee1394 I'd just launch pd with a gksudo ??? You can launch PD from a terminal as root (sudo pd). But, as some objects have problems if you are using it as super user (like playlist for example), it's better to change permissions to the device you want to use. In this way you don't really need to be root. totally wrong!!! you can't use playlist if you're root, what's that? ( i do this everyday almost, except when i'm bored with pd ) Ok, but never worked in my machines (neither in others where I tryed). BTW, this is the error: playlist: could you not get current directory (where the hell are you??? ) and changing permissions is not enough for pdp_ieee1394, why people speak if they don't know? Because, maybe, they know what are saying. Or maybe my user is a super user i'm still puzzled sevy adios Yves, don't be puzzled, ripigliati! husk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pidid and a camera dv/via usb converter on ubuntu
husk wrote: ydego...@gmail.com ha scritto: Husk 00 wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:11 AM, t'es in t'es bat tesintes...@gmail.com mailto:tesintes...@gmail.com wrote: hello, yes i try many possibilities of pd and right now i succed to making work a 4 screen ubuntu computer with rendering on every screen... A tool for live se... cool! How can i be root to use pdp_ieee1394 I'd just launch pd with a gksudo ??? You can launch PD from a terminal as root (sudo pd). But, as some objects have problems if you are using it as super user (like playlist for example), it's better to change permissions to the device you want to use. In this way you don't really need to be root. totally wrong!!! you can't use playlist if you're root, what's that? ( i do this everyday almost, except when i'm bored with pd ) Ok, but never worked in my machines (neither in others where I tryed). BTW, this is the error: playlist: could you not get current directory (where the hell are you??? ) it's not a real problem ( although you start pd in a strange environment, without $PWD ) if you do this form a terminal, it doesn't happen. and you can always fix it with a [location /tmp( message so there's no harm at all, nothing crashed. ciao, sevy ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pidid and a camera dv/via usb converter on ubuntu
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:10 PM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.comwrote: it's not a real problem ( although you start pd in a strange environment, without $PWD ) It's true. Strangely if I lauch pd with sudo it lost $PWD variable. If I lauch pd as root user (I mean sudo su - and then pd) every thing works fine. if you do this form a terminal, it doesn't happen. and you can always fix it with a [location /tmp( message so there's no harm at all, nothing crashed. When I launh pd with sudo it loads correctly playlist external but when I try to create it gives me the error message I wrote before and pd doesn't recognize the object. So I can't give the location message to playlist. ciao, sevy ciao, husk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!
Hi Hans-Christoph Thanks for all you work on this. These may be eeepc-related issues, but here are a few things I've hit on my eeepc 701/Ubuntu 9.04: zexy: can't load library Looks like no OSC externals, no iemlib. Looks like Pd is only good for 1 run per session. On second run, I can't open any windows (Like loading a patch, New, Test Audio MIDI) and I need to kill pd manually. (almost certain that's a eeepc issue.) Like I said, these problems may be eeepc things, but I thought I'd mention. I will keep bashing at it and I'll let you know if I learn anything. Thanks again. cheers dafydd On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: I think this is basically ready to go http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html Please test on Windows and give feedback! I haven't heard anything about Windows. It's looking ready for release, so please try it if you haven't already so we can find the last bugs. As far as I know, there aren't any outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this release. So I think this is the release. Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker! http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker This release candidate includes: * on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5 * moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms * fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib, bsaylor, and sigpack * (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are some really flaky audio cards in Windows land * (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware that I have tested in the past 7 years works with that KNOWN BUGS Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs, and if you find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add your information there. - Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup preferences - pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd - loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying to load it Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- fancydavid.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] K8061 USB interface board in PD on Mac
Wilfred de Zoete wrote: Hello everybody, for some interface experiments I got hold of an USB interface kit from Velleman, the K8061. More info: http://www.velleman.be/ot/en/product/view/?id=364910 This board comes with software for windows computers, a.o. a .dll file for communication. My system is a MacBook Pro november 2008 with OS X 10.5.6. Are there people out there who have already used this board in Pure Data and/or on Mac OS X? I have already tried to get some data out of it with HID and although HID works good for joysticks and game controllers it does not get data from this kit. I have never seen this kit before but it's probably using USB as a serial port, not a mouse/joystick, so [comport] should give some output... Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pidid and a camera dv/via usb converter on ubuntu
Husk 00 wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:10 PM, ydego...@gmail.com mailto:ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com mailto:ydego...@gmail.com wrote: it's not a real problem ( although you start pd in a strange environment, without $PWD ) It's true. Strangely if I lauch pd with sudo it lost $PWD variable. If I lauch pd as root user (I mean sudo su - and then pd) every thing works fine. it even works with sudo here, so your environment is very strange sevy ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pidid and a camera dv/via usb converter on ubuntu
ydego...@gmail.com wrote: Husk 00 wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:10 PM, ydego...@gmail.com mailto:ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com mailto:ydego...@gmail.com wrote: it's not a real problem ( although you start pd in a strange environment, without $PWD ) It's true. Strangely if I lauch pd with sudo it lost $PWD variable. If I lauch pd as root user (I mean sudo su - and then pd) every thing works fine. it even works with sudo here, so your environment is very strange most likely it works fine because you are doing it without sudo. afaiu, yves is running the entire X-session as root, whereas husk tries to run to X-session as user nad only run Pd as root. i would not recommend anyone to run everything as root if they do not know what they are doing. (e.g. if setting the permissions of a device is already a problem, then running everything as root might create more harm than good). yes, i know that this sounds a bit elitist. i don't know how to put it into better words... fgmasdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pidid and a camera dv/via usb converter on ubuntu
ola, it even works with sudo here, señor iohannes doesn't read the mail well, no i don't run xsession as root, and who cares anyway if it works? so why another useless communication? sevy ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pidid and a camera dv/via usb converter on ubuntu
ydego...@gmail.com wrote: ola, it even works with sudo here, señor iohannes doesn't read the mail well, ah indeed, you _do_ use sudo and it works... no i don't run xsession as root, but anyhow, it just proves the rest oh my email. and who cares anyway if it works? now, who does? so why another useless communication? probably to garbage any heuristic filters, like echelon and namazu? fgmasdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Slow cpu/RJDJ patching approach ...
On May 27, 2009, at 2:43 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On May 26, 2009, at 1:52 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Yeah, I agree that the communications are a big part of it. Part of writing a custom GUI would be to write a simple communications to suit the needs at hand. But I think that the slowness in Pd's GUI is not even that much due to communications, but rather how the code is structured. For example, if you move on element in an array, instead of issuing a single Tk 'move' command, Pd deletes the whole array, then recreates it. this is (among other things) what i mean by busted communication. And Dan, I also share your frustration with the common attitude on this list of it is what it is. That's why I am working on re-writing the Pd GUI from scratch in pure Tcl with the aim of making it use Tcl/Tk is a clean and sensible manner (aka Pd-devel 0.41.4). oh, i thought you wanted miller to include the code of Pd- devel...seems like you got off the track :-( Um, how is this mutually exclusive? My motivation in working on pd- devel is unchanged. it is mutually exclusive by what miller has said on this topic. i wish it wasn't From what I gather, Miller is more or less game for including that work. [...] In particular, I want to structure the code around the idea of a communications API that uses Pd messages for both directions. For now, it will use the existing pd--pd-gui API, then the next step would be working on the C side of things once Miller has included it. as far as i understand it, miller has stated several times explicitely that he is fine with re-structuring the tcl/tk code. however (and this is the crucial part), he is not going to accept any substantial changes to the C-part of it. hopefully this will change. if i had more time, i would have started this myself several times... I think you are crying wolf here (or rather crying fork), and I don't see any reason why. The idea of this pd-devel effort has not changed, from what Miller's told me, the work is acceptable to him. And the code is being structured to use Tcl/Tk better. I am hoping for more submissions from people who know Tcl/Tk better to go in that direction. I am also hoping to lay the groundwork for the C-side changes which will come later. .hc Information wants to be free.-Stewart Brand ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!
Thanks, glad its useful. I am guessing that also means its working for you ;) .hc On May 26, 2009, at 10:00 PM, Tom Dunstan wrote: Thanks Hans This is really amazing and has been a great help. t On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: I think this is basically ready to go http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html Please test on Windows and give feedback! I haven't heard anything about Windows. It's looking ready for release, so please try it if you haven't already so we can find the last bugs. As far as I know, there aren't any outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this release. So I think this is the release. Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker! http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker This release candidate includes: * on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5 * moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms * fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib, bsaylor, and sigpack * (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are some really flaky audio cards in Windows land * (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware that I have tested in the past 7 years works with that KNOWN BUGS Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs, and if you find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add your information there. - Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup preferences - pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd - loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying to load it Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic. It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war on terrorism.- retired U.S. Army general, William Odom ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!
No need to upgrade before your performance. The ones to use are the ones on the release candidate page. .hc On May 26, 2009, at 8:16 PM, João Pais wrote: for what's worth: I'm on a sensitive moment now (final stretch to audio-video performance next sunday in salamanca). I can look at this after that, though. are the most actual versions on the nightly builds? 2009/5/26 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at I think this is basically ready to go http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html Please test on Windows and give feedback! I haven't heard anything about Windows. It's looking ready for release, so please try it if you haven't already so we can find the last bugs. As far as I know, there aren't any outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this release. So I think this is the release. Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker! http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker This release candidate includes: * on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5 * moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms * fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib, bsaylor, and sigpack * (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are some really flaky audio cards in Windows land * (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware that I have tested in the past 7 years works with that KNOWN BUGS Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs, and if you find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add your information there. - Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup preferences - pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd - loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying to load it Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin Deutschland Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp http://www.puredata.org/Members/jmmmp ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!
I know little about Jack, and I think this bug is also in vanilla, so its pretty unlikely to be fixed this time around. Try nagging IOhannes :) .hc On May 27, 2009, at 4:23 AM, Si Mills wrote: Hi Hans Is the Jack OSX cpu issue likely to be fixed for this release? All in all its felling really tight this version! cheers On 27 May 2009, at 05:11, Matt Barber wrote: PS -- this Fedora hack almost works well for object and message boxes -- some of the mappings seem wrong (fiddling with the values in gnome on Fedora 10 changes nothing for me). This hack also doesn't affect font size for labels on gui objects (sliders, bangs, etc.) -- these are too large still. I haven't yet tried it in data structures. I have a feeling something awful is afoot. I'll post screenshot comparisons when I can get back to my fedora machine. Thanks a bunch for your patience on this, Matt Excellent, could you add info that to the FAQ entry on this topic: http://puredata.info/docs/faq/on-gnu-linux-the-fonts-are-strange-and-or-too-big-or-small .hc On May 26, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Hector Centeno wrote: ah! I found the source of the problem. Googling for the font size issue in Fedora I found that it seems that Gnome in Fedora 10 has problems auto-detecting the right DPI for the display. In the Font section of the Appearance Preferences, clicking on Details shows a configuration window where the resolution in DPI can be set. I changed that to 96 and the fonts work fine in PD with the original values in Pd-0.41.4-extended-rc3. Cheers, Hector On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Hector Centeno hcen...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I do have that code in pd.tk which I had already hacked before in a similar way. Under OpenSuse those font sizes work fine but in Fedora the 8 has to be changed by 7 like this: set sizelist 5 6 7 9 10 12 14 16 19 25 For some reason in general the fonts in Fedora look bigger. After getting use to the sizes in OpenSuse I had to reduce everything in the gnome settings. Cheers, Hector ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!
Hey Dafydd, It seems that you have something funky going on. I am running Jaunty 9.04 on my machine, and iemlib, zexy, osxc, etc. are all there and working. .hc On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:33 -0400, Dafydd Hughes dafyd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Hans-Christoph Thanks for all you work on this. These may be eeepc-related issues, but here are a few things I've hit on my eeepc 701/Ubuntu 9.04: zexy: can't load library Looks like no OSC externals, no iemlib. Looks like Pd is only good for 1 run per session. On second run, I can't open any windows (Like loading a patch, New, Test Audio MIDI) and I need to kill pd manually. (almost certain that's a eeepc issue.) Like I said, these problems may be eeepc things, but I thought I'd mention. I will keep bashing at it and I'll let you know if I learn anything. Thanks again. cheers dafydd On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: I think this is basically ready to go http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html Please test on Windows and give feedback! I haven't heard anything about Windows. It's looking ready for release, so please try it if you haven't already so we can find the last bugs. As far as I know, there aren't any outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this release. So I think this is the release. Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker! http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker This release candidate includes: * on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5 * moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms * fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib, bsaylor, and sigpack * (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are some really flaky audio cards in Windows land * (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware that I have tested in the past 7 years works with that KNOWN BUGS Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs, and if you find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add your information there. - Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup preferences - pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd - loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying to load it Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- fancydavid.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!
Ok, I fixed another 8.5 issue, this one with the Help Browser. I am afraid that the issue of the iemgui's label fonts looks complicated so that's going to have to wait for the next release. .hc On Wed, 27 May 2009 00:11 -0400, Matt Barber brbrof...@gmail.com wrote: PS -- this Fedora hack almost works well for object and message boxes -- some of the mappings seem wrong (fiddling with the values in gnome on Fedora 10 changes nothing for me). This hack also doesn't affect font size for labels on gui objects (sliders, bangs, etc.) -- these are too large still. I haven't yet tried it in data structures. I have a feeling something awful is afoot. I'll post screenshot comparisons when I can get back to my fedora machine. Thanks a bunch for your patience on this, Matt Excellent, could you add info that to the FAQ entry on this topic: http://puredata.info/docs/faq/on-gnu-linux-the-fonts-are-strange-and-or-too-big-or-small .hc On May 26, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Hector Centeno wrote: ah! I found the source of the problem. Googling for the font size issue in Fedora I found that it seems that Gnome in Fedora 10 has problems auto-detecting the right DPI for the display. In the Font section of the Appearance Preferences, clicking on Details shows a configuration window where the resolution in DPI can be set. I changed that to 96 and the fonts work fine in PD with the original values in Pd-0.41.4-extended-rc3. Cheers, Hector On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Hector Centeno hcen...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I do have that code in pd.tk which I had already hacked before in a similar way. Under OpenSuse those font sizes work fine but in Fedora the 8 has to be changed by 7 like this: set sizelist 5 6 7 9 10 12 14 16 19 25 For some reason in general the fonts in Fedora look bigger. After getting use to the sizes in OpenSuse I had to reduce everything in the gnome settings. Cheers, Hector ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] rewire for pd?
Uh, yeah. I should have said open source/linux-based. I actually checked Renoise before I posted, as I though that might be the one that did have jack transport. Of course, jack is only available on the linux version. .mmb Si Mills wrote: Funny you should say - here's an example of Jack transport being incorporated into a closed source product (Linux only?!) http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/26/renoise-21-now-with-mac-pc-rewire-plus-jack-on-linux-live-performance-tools/ On 23 May 2009, at 15:32, Mike Moser-Booth wrote: (sorry Luigi, forgot to include the list) Luigi wrote: Hi Joao As i understand - there is nothing you can do with rewire, that cannot be done with jack, right ? Please correct me if i'am wrong ReWire has transport syncing and is widely supported by most commercial software. I know there's jack-transport, but I don't know of anything that's not an open source linux-based app that uses it. Also, on OSX ReWire is more reliable than IAC for sending MIDI. The major downside to ReWire, though, is that audio can only go one way: from slave to master. This has pissed me off more than once. It'd be nice if jack-transport support could spread beyond open source software, as it would likely make open source software more accessible. .mmb Luigi Am 23.Mai.09 um 23.Mai.09 MESZ 13:25 schrieb João Pais: Hi, anyone interested in adding rewire support for pd? So far I read the protocoll is free, though proprietary. (but I don't know much about it) João Pais -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list - Dipl-Toning.(FH) Luigi Rensinghoff mobil: 0177-5412191 skype: gigischinke luigi.rensingh...@freenet.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!
what about the weired select-text-in-the-about-window-and-close-to- crash-pd bug? it's in the bug tracker since a while and still present. m. Am 27.05.2009 um 23:37 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: Ok, I fixed another 8.5 issue, this one with the Help Browser. I am afraid that the issue of the iemgui's label fonts looks complicated so that's going to have to wait for the next release. .hc On Wed, 27 May 2009 00:11 -0400, Matt Barber brbrof...@gmail.com wrote: PS -- this Fedora hack almost works well for object and message boxes -- some of the mappings seem wrong (fiddling with the values in gnome on Fedora 10 changes nothing for me). This hack also doesn't affect font size for labels on gui objects (sliders, bangs, etc.) -- these are too large still. I haven't yet tried it in data structures. I have a feeling something awful is afoot. I'll post screenshot comparisons when I can get back to my fedora machine. Thanks a bunch for your patience on this, Matt Excellent, could you add info that to the FAQ entry on this topic: http://puredata.info/docs/faq/on-gnu-linux-the-fonts-are-strange-and-or-too-big-or-small .hc On May 26, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Hector Centeno wrote: ah! I found the source of the problem. Googling for the font size issue in Fedora I found that it seems that Gnome in Fedora 10 has problems auto-detecting the right DPI for the display. In the Font section of the Appearance Preferences, clicking on Details shows a configuration window where the resolution in DPI can be set. I changed that to 96 and the fonts work fine in PD with the original values in Pd-0.41.4-extended-rc3. Cheers, Hector On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Hector Centeno hcen...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I do have that code in pd.tk which I had already hacked before in a similar way. Under OpenSuse those font sizes work fine but in Fedora the 8 has to be changed by 7 like this: set sizelist 5 6 7 9 10 12 14 16 19 25 For some reason in general the fonts in Fedora look bigger. After getting use to the sizes in OpenSuse I had to reduce everything in the gnome settings. Cheers, Hector ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!
Huh. Ok - I'll do some more digging. Thanks. cheers dafydd On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: Hey Dafydd, It seems that you have something funky going on. I am running Jaunty 9.04 on my machine, and iemlib, zexy, osxc, etc. are all there and working. .hc On Wed, 27 May 2009 08:33 -0400, Dafydd Hughes dafyd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Hans-Christoph Thanks for all you work on this. These may be eeepc-related issues, but here are a few things I've hit on my eeepc 701/Ubuntu 9.04: zexy: can't load library Looks like no OSC externals, no iemlib. Looks like Pd is only good for 1 run per session. On second run, I can't open any windows (Like loading a patch, New, Test Audio MIDI) and I need to kill pd manually. (almost certain that's a eeepc issue.) Like I said, these problems may be eeepc things, but I thought I'd mention. I will keep bashing at it and I'll let you know if I learn anything. Thanks again. cheers dafydd On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: I think this is basically ready to go http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html Please test on Windows and give feedback! I haven't heard anything about Windows. It's looking ready for release, so please try it if you haven't already so we can find the last bugs. As far as I know, there aren't any outstanding bugs that need to be fixed for this release. So I think this is the release. Test away and file bugs in the bug tracker! http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker This release candidate includes: * on GNU/Linux, corrected font size when using Tcl/Tk 8.5 * moocow/flite speech synth added on all platforms * fixed strict-aliasing build problems with cyclone, iemlib, bsaylor, and sigpack * (Windows) increased default audio buffer to 100ms since there are some really flaky audio cards in Windows land * (Mac OS X) decreased buffers to 20ms since all Apple hardware that I have tested in the past 7 years works with that KNOWN BUGS Check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs, and if you find an existing bug report on the same issue, please add your information there. - Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup preferences - pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd - loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying to load it Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- fancydavid.com -- fancydavid.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.41.4-rc3 released!
I agree. Thanks for the help, and I'll post back if I can track down a solution. Matt On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: Ok, I fixed another 8.5 issue, this one with the Help Browser. I am afraid that the issue of the iemgui's label fonts looks complicated so that's going to have to wait for the next release. .hc On Wed, 27 May 2009 00:11 -0400, Matt Barber brbrof...@gmail.com wrote: PS -- this Fedora hack almost works well for object and message boxes -- some of the mappings seem wrong (fiddling with the values in gnome on Fedora 10 changes nothing for me). This hack also doesn't affect font size for labels on gui objects (sliders, bangs, etc.) -- these are too large still. I haven't yet tried it in data structures. I have a feeling something awful is afoot. I'll post screenshot comparisons when I can get back to my fedora machine. Thanks a bunch for your patience on this, Matt Excellent, could you add info that to the FAQ entry on this topic: http://puredata.info/docs/faq/on-gnu-linux-the-fonts-are-strange-and-or-too-big-or-small .hc On May 26, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Hector Centeno wrote: ah! I found the source of the problem. Googling for the font size issue in Fedora I found that it seems that Gnome in Fedora 10 has problems auto-detecting the right DPI for the display. In the Font section of the Appearance Preferences, clicking on Details shows a configuration window where the resolution in DPI can be set. I changed that to 96 and the fonts work fine in PD with the original values in Pd-0.41.4-extended-rc3. Cheers, Hector On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Hector Centeno hcen...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I do have that code in pd.tk which I had already hacked before in a similar way. Under OpenSuse those font sizes work fine but in Fedora the 8 has to be changed by 7 like this: set sizelist 5 6 7 9 10 12 14 16 19 25 For some reason in general the fonts in Fedora look bigger. After getting use to the sizes in OpenSuse I had to reduce everything in the gnome settings. Cheers, Hector ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] jack_transport improvements
This is pretty nice... thanks! I changed 1 thing and added another
method to the external which might be useful for others [updated the
help with that].
First, I figured the external shouldn't try to start the jack server
if it isn't already started.. so i changed the options used for
creating the client to reflect that.
Second, I created a 'locate' method, which lets you set a new location
for the transport [giving it a frame number].. Most usefully, |locate
0( to put the transport back to the beginning.
I've attached the diff and the updated help file.
-Ale
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Andy Farnell
padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:31:12 -0600
Jacob Lee jel...@uiuc.edu wrote:
What are you using as the jack transport master? This external doesn't
have the capability to act as the master, so something else has to set
the tempo and time signature (that's what I'm using klick for). And pd
has to be computing audio, since the plugin gets the current transport
position during the pd dsp cycle. Those are the two things I would
check. (I don't think jackd prints anything in this case, by the way.)
qjackctl under linux
I think it defaults to 120bpm 4/4
Messages usually appear in the qjackctl window (with Ardour etc)
Pretty sure audio DSP was running, will check it again tonight,
Andy
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Andy Farnell
padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk wrote:
Hi Jacob
Connects to jack server ok. Reports good connection. Can start and stop
transport.
But;
No transport notification message printed by jackd
Query doesn't work, no data on outlets
Haven't had time to debug yet, could be something my end.
a.
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:51:27 -0600
Jacob Lee artd...@gmail.com wrote:
I've added some code to the jack_transport external
(tb/jack_transport/ in pd-extended) to show the current bar/beat (and
also bpm and tempo) in real time. Messages are only sent out when pd
is computing audio, and also no more than once per beat (to avoid
floods of messages).
I'm not outputting all the available information from the jack
transport -- e.g. the current tick within the beat -- either because
it updates too quickly or because it's just not useful to me, but it
would be trivial to add those.
The motivation here is that I'm using klick --
http://das.nasophon.de/klick/ -- as the jack transport master (mainly
to control sooperlooper), and now it is possible to trigger events
within pd at particular beats or bar numbers.
The code is available at
http://artdent.homelinux.net/svn/jack_transport~/ . The makefile
should be suitable for building jack_transport~ from inside a
directory that is sibling to the existing jack_transport. I've only
tested it on Linux, but it should work anywhere jack_transport does.
I hope this external is useful to others. Suggestions for improvements
are of course welcome.
--
Jacob Lee
artd...@gmail.com
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--- jack_transport~-orig.c 2009-05-27 12:29:43.0 -0700
+++ jack_transport~.c 2009-05-27 15:55:19.0 -0700
@@ -49,7 +49,7 @@
static void jack_transport_connect(jack_transport_tilde_t * x)
{
x-x_jack_client = jack_client_open(pure_data_jack_transport,
- JackNullOption, NULL);
+ JackNoStartServer, NULL);
if (!x-x_jack_client) {
post(jack_transport~: can't connect to jack server);
return;
@@ -103,6 +103,14 @@
jack_transport_stop(x-x_jack_client);
}
+static void jack_transport_locater(jack_transport_tilde_t * x, t_floatarg f)
+{
+ if (!x-x_jack_client)
+ return;
+
+ jack_transport_locate(x-x_jack_client, (jack_nframes_t)f);
+}
+
t_int *jack_transport_tilde_perform(t_int *w)
{
jack_transport_tilde_t *x = (jack_transport_tilde_t *)(w[1]);
@@ -195,6 +203,9 @@
(t_method)jack_transport_stopper,
gensym(stop), 0, 0);
class_addmethod(jack_transport_tilde_class,
+ (t_method)jack_transport_locater,
+ gensym(locate), A_DEFFLOAT, 0);
+ class_addmethod(jack_transport_tilde_class,
(t_method)jack_transport_tilde_dsp,
Re: [PD] pd-extended 0.41.4 jack autoconnect issues
Hi all, On Ubuntu Jaunty, pd-extended for some reason fails to automatically connect to JACK (running whatever came with Jaunty). I've upgraded from Intrepid so that may have something to do with it. Manual connection after Pd has started works fine, but I am just trying to figure out where I could trace this problem. Please advise. Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Composition, Music Technology Director, DISIS Interactive Sound Intermedia Studio Assistant Co-Director, CCTAD CHCI, CS, and Art (by courtesy) Virginia Tech Dept. of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-6139 (540) 231-5034 (fax) i...@vt.edu http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/bukvic/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Tidy question
Hi list, Has anyone ever tried increasing the values for XTOLERANCE and YTOLERANCE in g_editor.c to improve the usefulness of Tidy Up? Like maybe jacking both values up to 14, for example? Currently, objects have to be within 4 vertical or 3 horizontal pixels of each other for tidy up to do anything at all. I would try it myself but I'm on windows and haven't yet investigated the whole build process. Thanks, Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
