Re: [PD] precision of vline~ and/or pd messaging
Hi, On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:38:06AM +0100, João Pais wrote: and here a link to a thread with iohannes and lyon: http://markmail.org/message/7usetdchjlqyk3eu#query:+page:1+mid:7usetdchjlqyk3eu+state:results Actually it's Frank and Eric. :) The thread still sums up what's important here: It's not necessary to use Eric's objects in Pd. They may be useful in Max/MSP and they provide some nice functionality besides accuracy, but the accuracy you get with vline~ and Pd's clock objects (metro, delay, etc.) already is subsample-exact, so it's fine for many cases and as good as what you get with [samm~] and relatives. Just use [metro]. oops. so, your wording in the final sentence should be something like so it's fine for many cases and MORE PRECISE as what you get with [samm~] and relatives. Just use [metro]? I don't think, it's more precise, I think, Eric's objects are just an alternative approach to get the same precision as you get with vline~. IIRC Eric wasn't aware of vline~ when he wrote his objects. just to ask beforehand: between the bang starting the event and vline~ there are a couple of patches: getting the counter nr, segment references, quantisation etc, all in message level (with vanilla and extra objects). But if the initial bang is block-precise (wherever in the audio block it should be), all message objects should behave fine? which are Pd's clock objects you described above, all objects in the time section of pd-van? Yes, but of course people can write externals that use Pd's internal clock just as metro, delay or pipe do. Contrasting these you may have a non-clock message, for example if you click a [bang( message. This will actually not be activated at the exact time that you click it, but always on a block boundary. will also pd-ext objects behave in the same way, provided that it's not their function to include more delays? I'll rephrase the question, if between bang and vline~ I put an external doing a multiplication or something, will it delay the message? (I guess the answer is no, but want to be sure) The usual message transformation objects don't change the timing of the original message. Pd is deterministic, so you can assume that all the message calculations etc. that you do happen at the same time. Timing problems occur only when you leave or enter this message realm, for example when converting messages to (and from) audio signals, because audio signals in Pd are block based. The gory details are in Miller's TTEM-book: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/node40.html Especially note the subchapters: Control streams http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/node43.html and Converting controls to signals http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/node52.html and help patch: C04.control.to.signal.pd Ciao -- Frank BarknechtDo You RjDj.me? _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] real-time tuning patch or object ?
Hi ! Did anyone try to do real-time tune-corrector (like Melodyne or autotune) in PD ? I really wanted to work with differently tuned recorded peoples words in realtime.. i mean being able to correct it via midi-keyboard in real-time, like vocoder.. But vocoder seems to be too synthetic in sound. And simple pitch-shifting is also sounds bad and is heavy. any advice ? Thank you !! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT-ish]: Debian wheezy (testing) dependency chain pain trying to install Gem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-01-25 09:58, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: Wondering if anyone has an idea or workaround for this dependency chain pain: On debian wheezy with the debian multimedia repositories added. you should not. lots of packages that were originally only available via debian-multimedia are now in debian proper. debian and debian-multimedia are not coordinated (nor associated) in any way, this basically means that if you add debian-multimedia to your apt-sources you are asking for trouble. this is why i have dumped d-m on all the computers i'm maintaining for some time now. if you really need it (i think, apart from some codecs, decent dvd-authoring tools are still only available via d-m) you might try: - - remove d-m from your apt-list - - remove all (now obsolete) packages that you intalled from d-m - - install debian's native multimedia packages (e.g. gem), without any dependency hell - - re-add d-m to your apt-list - - use apt-pinning [1] to avoid installing d-m packages if not requested explicitely. fgmasdr IOhannes [1] e.g. http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8hHVEACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvT+5QCgsHiqZ0ayZY1n6ajgQc6E8WVN ZfcAoLu55GekyRsYgQkfzPq7pTMA315O =uE/2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] building Pd-ext/GEM for Windows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-01-25 19:19, rolf meesters wrote: don't know if i oversaw it, or something changed, anyway after all this warnings about the dll's there's a fatal error: linker cannot find b.obj this is a weird error, which i don't know about. it looks to me as if you broke your project file. could you try getting a diff between your changed Gem.vcproj file and the one in master (in case you are using TortoiseGIT, there should be a nice git diff tool in the context menu) watch out for any stray bs. fgmasdr IOhanne -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8hHgUACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRM8ACeMlbYZGFgl8z8uEw6FHNtFpbR CugAnjf0ond2H/TifX1gkQhzD9JqBSdU =2oxY -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] real-time tuning patch or object ?
this external might help: http://deterritorialized.com/code/puredata/externals/autotuned~_v0.1.zip needs work though m On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:56 AM, Фывапр Олджэвич tofuc...@inbox.ru wrote: Hi ! Did anyone try to do real-time tune-corrector (like Melodyne or autotune) in PD ? I really wanted to work with differently tuned recorded peoples words in realtime.. i mean being able to correct it via midi-keyboard in real-time, like vocoder.. But vocoder seems to be too synthetic in sound. And simple pitch-shifting is also sounds bad and is heavy. any advice ? Thank you !! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- m.e.grimm | m.f.a | ed.m. megr...@gmail.com | 315.378.2136 _ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] help compiling pd-extended
On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:23 PM, michael noble wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Renato renn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'd like to compile pd-extended to use [hid]. I'm on Archlinux, and I'm not having any succes with it - and the errors I'm getting seem to be shared by others Archlinuxers ([1],[2]). With pd-extended 0.42.5 make is stopping with: [1] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=44798 [2] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=22509 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list I was having the same problems. There are pre-compiled packages of 0.42.5 in the following repo: http://repo.archlinux.fr/ It would be good to have a nightly arch build so this process is easier. Plus having it all packaged helps a lot too. Can anyone take on any of these tasks? .hc News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] real-time tuning patch or object ?
there's also Autotalent, a LADSPA plugin http://web.mit.edu/tbaran/www/autotalent.html Never tried it though... Tim 2012/1/26 m.e.grimm megr...@gmail.com this external might help: http://deterritorialized.com/code/puredata/externals/autotuned~_v0.1.zip needs work though m On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:56 AM, Фывапр Олджэвич tofuc...@inbox.ru wrote: Hi ! Did anyone try to do real-time tune-corrector (like Melodyne or autotune) in PD ? I really wanted to work with differently tuned recorded peoples words in realtime.. i mean being able to correct it via midi-keyboard in real-time, like vocoder.. But vocoder seems to be too synthetic in sound. And simple pitch-shifting is also sounds bad and is heavy. any advice ? Thank you !! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- m.e.grimm | m.f.a | ed.m. megr...@gmail.com | 315.378.2136 _ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] space bar generates a bang
A beginner Question: What is the easiest way to generate a bang with a keyboard space bar? I would love replies in patch form pp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] space bar generates a bang
can't remember off hand which key number it is but you can use the [key] object make a patch like this [key] | [(number)] and note the number that flashes up when you press the space bar then [key] | [sel *space bar number*] | [O] I'll post a patch later if you're still stuck From: p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:53:33 + Subject: [PD] space bar generates a bang A beginner Question: What is the easiest way to generate a bang with a keyboard space bar? I would love replies in patch form pp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] space bar generates a bang
[key] | [sel 32] or [keyup] or [keyname] or [gemkeyname] gr, Tim 2012/1/26 Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu A beginner Question: What is the easiest way to generate a bang with a keyboard space bar? ** ** I would love replies in patch form ** ** pp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] translation completeness (Was: Re: Spanish translation)
On Jan 26, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2012-01-26 à 07:49:00, Tom Javel a écrit : (i mean french is always longuer than english It's not. I don't have a list of examples ready, but I can tell you that it's somewhat of an exaggeration. (Jean Sapristi). Saperlipopette. even longuer is longer in french ;) .hc I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] translation completeness (Was: Re: Spanish translation)
longer + longueur = longuer ;-) 2012/1/26 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: On Jan 26, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Le 2012-01-26 à 07:49:00, Tom Javel a écrit : (i mean french is always longuer than english It's not. I don't have a list of examples ready, but I can tell you that it's somewhat of an exaggeration. (Jean Sapristi). Saperlipopette. even longuer is longer in french ;) .hc I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] can't set latency higher than 50 on linux?
Hi, Why on Linux if I set the latency in audio settings (with ALSA) to anything greater than 50 I get a lot of tried but couldn't sync A/D/A and then audio I/O stuck... closing audio?? thanks m. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] translation completeness (Was: Re: Spanish translation)
Le 2012-01-26 à 12:09:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : even longuer is longer in french ;) Longuer is not a word. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] translation completeness (Was: Re: Spanish translation)
Longuer is not a word. then that's not a sentence. J ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
Le 2012-01-11 à 13:09:00, Max a écrit : And that's not the end of the vicious cycle. Students who saved their money to buy a Max license are often unwilling to accept that their work could have been done as easy in Pd, and sometimes even better and/or easier. Often they use and stick to Max simply because they have spent the money on it. They then keep paying for the updates. this is referred to as the concorde effect. It's not just the money that you put on it, it's also the learning effort, and the effort of rebuilding the patches using slightly or not-so-slightly different components. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] building Pd-ext/GEM for Windows
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20120126/f8fb3f1a/attachment-0001.bin On 2012-01-25 19:19, rolf meesters wrote: don't know if i oversaw it, or something changed, anyway after all this warnings about the dll's there's a fatal error: linker cannot find b.obj this is a weird error, which i don't know about. it looks to me as if you broke your project file. could you try getting a diff between your changed Gem.vcproj file and the one in master (in case you are using TortoiseGIT, there should be a nice git diff tool in the context menu) watch out for any stray bs. that was a good guess, i found a stray b in the project file. but i didn't do it. i downloaded everything again from the git. it's in the win-vs2008 gem.vcproj Name=VCLinkerTool AdditionalOptions=/MACHINE:I386 AdditionalDependencies=pd.lib opengl32.lib glu32.lib b freetype235mt_D.lib FTGL.lib ws2_32.lib pthreadVC.lib so, taking this out (and the freetype FTGL libs) it got again stuck with a missing pthreadVC.lib. it was already very hard to find the needed pthread.h. (i did clean up my disc's and then it was gone). it's not in the 'regular' gits of pd-van or pd-ext. i only found something following a download advise for the Pd/sources in the page for building Pd on Windows . but no pthreadVC.lib or pthread.lib. googling didn't bring me useful wisdom here. where to get, buy, borrow, steal it? rolf ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] expr functions (was Re: my phase vocoder example implemented in polar form)
Le 2012-01-10 à 16:50:00, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit : I guess I just missed it then. By the way number 2, a couple of years ago shahrokh told me that the Sum function wasn't working properly, and it seems it's still not working yet. Or do you use it well? I never tried it. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] building Pd-ext/GEM for Windows
On 2012-01-26 13:28, rolf meesters wrote: ... but no pthreadVC.lib or pthread.lib. If you get Miller's vanilla Pd for Windows, pthreadVC.lib is in pd/bin. See http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Oracle (2003) patches online
Hello all, Someone finally asked me to post code on Oracle (my BFA final project from 2003). So I've put all the source online, including my process patches (PD), misc tcl scripts, videos and images. (so its 230MB) http://www.ekran.org/ben/art-source/oracle.tar.bz2 Note I could not get it to work with current PD/Gem, so I gave up and put it up as is. It still maybe useful for some people to look at. Ben Bogart www.ekran.org/ben ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] WANTED ALIVE objects
Hi ! I use PD under Win 7. I can't understand why a lot of objects (very interesting once) that are mentioned in reference here: http://en.flossmanuals.net/pure-data/index/ Do not exist in fact in PD-extended (version 0.42.5 i use)... Or maybe smthng wrong with initialising libraris.. (anyway i searched help-examples too) I'd like to stress that this manual is officially recommended for beginners on puredata.info . So as a beginner i'm really embarresed... In Processing for example or in MAx everything what is mantioned in manuals - is working in the soft. So where should i look for the objects listed below ? It's what i was looking.. I guess there are more of them lost.. pitchnoise~ Harmonic/inharmonic monophonic timbre separator presidency~ a spectral sampler with pitch control pvgrain~ a spectrum analyzer for granular resynthesis pvharm~ a harmonizer pvoc~ an additive synthesis phase vocoder pvtuner~ a spectrum quantizer for tuning to arbitrary scales pvwarp~ a non-linear frequency warper reanimator~ an audio texture mapper resent~ similar to residency~ but with independent bin control residency~ a spectral sampler useful for time scaling scrape~ a noise reduction (or increase) object with frequency control shapee~ a frequency shaping object swinger~ a phase swapping object taint~ a cross synthesis object vacancy~ a spectral compositing object xsyn~ a cross synthesis with compression object pvcompand~ a spectral compressor/expander object quantize~ flatspace zexy quantize a signal with a variable step-number mov_avrg_kern~ flatspace iemlib moving average filter kernel mypol2rec~ fft stuff, needed as abstraction for some other ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] WANTED ALIVE objects
There are many external libraries written by people all over the world. These libraries provide objects like the ones you list. You can find many of them here: http://puredata.info/downloads As for the manual, I agree that it should only reference objects included in Pd-extended, unless they are marked as externals. Anyone can edit the FLOSS Manuals Pure Data book, so I recommend that you mark the objects that are not in Pd-extended. .hc On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 05:02 +0400, Фывапр Олджэвич wrote: Hi ! I use PD under Win 7. I can't understand why a lot of objects (very interesting once) that are mentioned in reference here: http://en.flossmanuals.net/pure-data/index/ Do not exist in fact in PD-extended (version 0.42.5 i use)... Or maybe smthng wrong with initialising libraris.. (anyway i searched help-examples too) I'd like to stress that this manual is officially recommended for beginners on puredata.info . So as a beginner i'm really embarresed... In Processing for example or in MAx everything what is mantioned in manuals - is working in the soft. So where should i look for the objects listed below ? It's what i was looking.. I guess there are more of them lost.. pitchnoise~ Harmonic/inharmonic monophonic timbre separator presidency~ a spectral sampler with pitch control pvgrain~ a spectrum analyzer for granular resynthesis pvharm~ a harmonizer pvoc~ an additive synthesis phase vocoder pvtuner~ a spectrum quantizer for tuning to arbitrary scales pvwarp~ a non-linear frequency warper reanimator~ an audio texture mapper resent~ similar to residency~ but with independent bin control residency~ a spectral sampler useful for time scaling scrape~ a noise reduction (or increase) object with frequency control shapee~ a frequency shaping object swinger~ a phase swapping object taint~ a cross synthesis object vacancy~ a spectral compositing object xsyn~ a cross synthesis with compression object pvcompand~ a spectral compressor/expander object quantize~ flatspace zexy quantize a signal with a variable step-number mov_avrg_kern~ flatspace iemlib moving average filter kernel mypol2rec~ fft stuff, needed as abstraction for some other ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] WANTED ALIVE objects
Le 2012-01-27 à 05:02:00, Фывапр Олджэвич a écrit : pitchnoise~ Harmonic/inharmonic monophonic timbre separator http://www.apo33.org/pub/puredata/APO/librairies_PD/recup/pitchnoise/ quantize~ flatspace zexy as it says, it's in library zexy. mov_avrg_kern~ flatspace iemlib it's in iemlib. mypol2rec~ http://impala.utopia.free.fr/pd/patchs/selection/OUTILS/0__DIVERS_OUTILS/mypol2rec~.pd pvgrain~ pvoc~ pvtuner~ all others are in the fftease library. zexy, iemlib and fftease are already bundled with pd-extended. the others have to be installed separately. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Patch Bay for FX
Le 2012-01-27 à 00:07:00, Pierre Massat a écrit : It's for 4 effects only at the moment, but it could easily be adapted to any size. The key in my opinion lies in the algorithm that converts a sequence of effects (say, 4 2 3 1) into the right matrix. Tu pourrais aussi produire ta matrice à l'aide de [#many]. Ça serait plus flexible parce que tu serais pas limité à une simple séquence. http://gridflow.ca/help/%23many-help.html __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Apply missing
On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 22:51 +0100, Max wrote: hi list, hans, i noticed that in the current autobuilds of Pd-extended the property dialogs for the gui-objects are missing the Apply-Button. Is that a bug or a feature? IMHO this is a bug - if you want to adjust for instance a canvas to be the same size as another object of unknown size you can do that with a few clicks and the help of the Apply button. If you have to click OK and then go to context menu-Properties, set the size, OK repeately to do that it's simply annoying. m. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list That seems like a good enough reason, I brought back the Apply button to the iemgui Properties panel on Mac OS X. It was originally moved since the whole OK, Apply, Cancel is very Windows-like, but there isn't an easy way to make to work better, so the Apply button is back. IMHO, when you change the setting, it should take effect immediately. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] added translations from transifex to Pd-extended
I went thru and added the translations from transifex, so they should be in tomorrow's build. Download a build and test your translation: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ I'll do one more round of updates for the translations before the Pd-extended final release, so we can include any bugfixes and/or updates. .hc It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
