Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
Didn't you read the Pentax thread? In January all will be revealed. (The specifications on the E-3 don't look a lot higher than the specifications on the K10D, except for the frame rate anyway). About the frame rate, from DP Review's spec sheet: Continuous • 5.0 fps • RAW: 1 frames maximum • JPEG: Up to card capacity @ HQ 1/8 (with high speed media) 5 fps up to... one frame? I would think that's a typo, except that the JPEG setting for 5fps is HQ, which is their second-best jpg compression setting. What about SHQ? Come on Olympus, you can do better. I don't think enough people are going to take this camera seriously, especially at the price they list. I must admit, seeing Olympus put out a new pro body after so long makes me sentimental for the days when the E-1 came out. It took a while, but my bosses and coworkers all went ga-ga for the E System. Then most of them switched back to Canon or Nikon. Go figure. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
On Oct 16, 2007, at 11:38 PM, John Celio wrote: About the frame rate, from DP Review's spec sheet: Continuous • 5.0 fps • RAW: 1 frames maximum • JPEG: Up to card capacity @ HQ 1/8 (with high speed media) 5 fps up to... one frame? I would think that's a typo, except that the JPEG setting for 5fps is HQ, which is their second-best jpg compression setting. What about SHQ? Come on Olympus, you can do better. I don't think enough people are going to take this camera seriously, especially at the price they list. I must admit, seeing Olympus put out a new pro body after so long makes me sentimental for the days when the E-1 came out. It took a while, but my bosses and coworkers all went ga-ga for the E System. Then most of them switched back to Canon or Nikon. Go figure. 19 frames. Better, more complete specs, photos, etc here: http://fourthirdsphoto.com/special/e3.php Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lens Enablement X 2
On 16/10/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: I think they were made with both focus rings. The Supers had only the milled rings but I've seen the SMC with the rubberized ring. Didn't know that. Ta. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Next move from Olympus ...
now I have to find some money :o( -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: 17 October 2007 03:40 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: OT: Next move from Olympus ... The Olympus E-3 top of the line camera is now announced on DPReview.com: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0710/07101603olympuse3.asp US price supposedly $1699 MSRP. The grousing on the DPReview.com Olympus SLR Talk Forum has just begun ... ;-) enjoy Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lens Enablement X 2
On 16/10/07, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: SMC's typically have the same focus ring as the early K mount lenses. It's the Super and Super-Multi-Coated takumars that have the earlier knurled rings. Thanks. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lens Enablement X 2
On 16/10/07, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed: Godzilla is smaller than the Canon 1D. And you thought that was The Gardens in the film .. ;-))) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lens Enablement X 2
On 17/10/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: But Cotty, you gotta shoot with all this gear and then you gotta show us pics! I know - I've been so busy recently with building a vehicle-based edit suite for the day job though. However, I *have* been photographing that ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lens Enablement X 2
On 16/10/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
Before you ebay the lens, make sure you get some use out of it and
post the results. You might like it. If you happen to be in the smoke
before you ebay it I'd love to have a play with it and compare it with
the Oly lens.
Academic. I have fast zooms I use on my Darkside kit, better built. The
lens is supposed to be very good, with built in shake reduction ('Mega
OIS') similar to Canon's. I want the camera paired with a wide prime for
portability. The lens was part of the plan only in that wit would be
sold to help pay for the camera :-)
I take your point, but it's got to go!
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Re: Lens Enablement X 2
Evidently, kind sir, you spend too much time having your brain (and sometimes the rest of you too) involved with your work. Think - recreation ;-). On 10/17/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: But Cotty, you gotta shoot with all this gear and then you gotta show us pics! I know - I've been so busy recently with building a vehicle-based edit suite for the day job though. However, I *have* been photographing that ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA)?
In a message dated 10/16/2007 11:30:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's see: 1. Word Processing software 2. Political orientations 3. Sci Fi quotes 4. Some discussion of DSLR design. 5. Some name calling Yep, typical PDML thread. VBG Actually, this one is further a field than most. Like being in a crowded room with several conversations going on at the same time. I've been ignoring this thread thinking it was another one of endless speculation about future Pentax developments. I should have known only a thread that had gone OT would have gone on this long. Make it so. The Same Bald Guy Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Lens Neglect
Hey! I have that lens...all my photos in the Pentax Photo Gallery marked with an 'unknown' lens was shot with that... On 10/15/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a superb lens that I don't use often enough: the K 135/2.5. Here's a K10D shot at f2.5/1.500th ISO 100. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6528958 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
In a message dated 10/15/2007 9:24:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And stop posting pictures here, because you won't get an accurate opinion about what is good from this list. William Robb === I beg to differ. Only someone who showed his own photos on list so rarely would think this. The feedback here is fairly accurate. Especially once one knows that some never give negative feedback and some find something nice to say regardless. But tepid praise is tepid praise. If something is good, lots of feedback, if something is adequate or so-so, no or minimal feedback. Or feedback on the technical aspects, but not wow that grabs me. And, yes, sometimes outright neutral or negative feedback such as that doesn't do any for me. Over time it becomes pretty obvious to the people showing what kind of feedback they are getting (on a particular photo). And as far as I can tell the whole range of of feedback, from lots to minimal, has happened to everyone on this list who shows. (Well, maybe except for a 1-3 that we hate.) I also think it's a mistake to underrate the courage of sharing one's photos -- here or anywhere. Doing so is always a little risky because of the potential for negative feedback and it is also a learning experience hearing what others think and, ergo, not a bad thing to do. I know that I have improved as a photographer by sharing here. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
WTB Fish eye lens
A friend of mine (camera club member) recently showed us his 360 degree panoramas. Made in Stitcher unlimited with a 10mm wide angle (Nikon). The panoramas were very short - not long thin strips. He had them printed in like 20 x 50 inches and mountyed on aluminium sheets. The photograhes were done in Cuba, China, Vetnam etc. The print/image quality were simply amazingly good. Now I want to do similar recordings. Which affordable fish eye lens (10-16mm) would be appropriate, please? The software is quite expensive - appr. 700 USD :-( Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 14:14 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
Every camera is just in time to get old before the next one. On Oct 17, 2007, at 12:01 AM, Tom C wrote: Yes, I read it. If true they will have a wonderful all-stops pulled camera, just after the Christmas season and just in time to get old in the tooth before the next one. That doesn't matter to me, but it should to them. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ... Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:10:40 -0400 Didn't you read the Pentax thread? In January all will be revealed. (The specifications on the E-3 don't look a lot higher than the specifications on the K10D, except for the frame rate anyway). Tom C wrote: Unfortunately in the last two weeks what has Pentax announced? An 18 - 250 coscumer zoom and two idiotic PS cameras! Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT: Next move from Olympus ... Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:39:45 -0700 The Olympus E-3 top of the line camera is now announced on DPReview.com: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0710/07101603olympuse3.asp US price supposedly $1699 MSRP. The grousing on the DPReview.com Olympus SLR Talk Forum has just begun ... ;-) enjoy Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] The 30D/40D are pretty good though. Less accurate than the Pentax's, but they get there a fair bit faster. Isn't that like running 100yards in the opposite direction to a marathon start then claiming you've won? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB Fish eye lens
Err...Pentax DA 10-17 f3.5-4.5 FE ? At 10mm you can do a full 360 FOV in 4 shots (I prefer a lot of overlap to help with correcting the distortion, so I generally do it in 5-7). Are your friends picture just spherical panoramas rendered flat (ie equirectangular projection)? Such as this one from the RealViz website: http://stitcher.realviz.com/gallery/objects/jpg/enviropix4.jpg (BTW if you view the above shot using FSPViewer, you get the benefits of a QTVR without the need for QT :-) Cheers, Dave On 10/17/07, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine (camera club member) recently showed us his 360 degree panoramas. Made in Stitcher unlimited with a 10mm wide angle (Nikon). The panoramas were very short - not long thin strips. He had them printed in like 20 x 50 inches and mountyed on aluminium sheets. The photograhes were done in Cuba, China, Vetnam etc. The print/image quality were simply amazingly good. Now I want to do similar recordings. Which affordable fish eye lens (10-16mm) would be appropriate, please? The software is quite expensive - appr. 700 USD :-( Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Not a good analogy, more like running the hundred yard dash, beating the those who finished to the 90 yard mark, stopping there and declaring yourself the winner. mike wilson wrote: From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] The 30D/40D are pretty good though. Less accurate than the Pentax's, but they get there a fair bit faster. Isn't that like running 100yards in the opposite direction to a marathon start then claiming you've won? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
On Oct 17, 2007, at 1:38, John Celio wrote: Didn't you read the Pentax thread? In January all will be revealed. (The specifications on the E-3 don't look a lot higher than the specifications on the K10D, except for the frame rate anyway). About the frame rate, from DP Review's spec sheet: Continuous • 5.0 fps • RAW: 1 frames maximum • JPEG: Up to card capacity @ HQ 1/8 (with high speed media) 5 fps up to... one frame? I would think that's a typo, except that the JPEG setting for 5fps is HQ, I thought I'd read 19 frames in the press release -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The Olympus E-3 top of the line camera is now announced on DPReview.com: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0710/07101603olympuse3.asp US price supposedly $1699 MSRP. The grousing on the DPReview.com Olympus SLR Talk Forum has just begun ... ;-) enjoy Godfrey Looks nice, price is too high for a camera which only matches the D200 spec. But a reasonable flagship body for the 4/3rds system. The new 14-35 looks like a real gem. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Doug Franklin wrote: Adam Maas wrote: Less accurate than the Pentax's, but they get there a fair bit faster. Getting to the wrong place quickly rarely helps anyone. :-) It's fine as long as they're covered by DoF. That's why you hear all the Rebel owners whining that their Rebel can't focus a 50/1.8, the AF's accuracy is only calibrated for f2.8 and slower lenses, any better is a matter of luck. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
FPS and buffer are its only advantages over the K10D. And Oly seriously needs to dial back the rhetoric about their new 'World's Fastest' 11-point AF system. I seriously doubt it's going to match the AF on the older 1-Series bodies, let alone the new ones or Nikon's new 51-point system. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: Didn't you read the Pentax thread? In January all will be revealed. (The specifications on the E-3 don't look a lot higher than the specifications on the K10D, except for the frame rate anyway). Tom C wrote: Unfortunately in the last two weeks what has Pentax announced? An 18 - 250 coscumer zoom and two idiotic PS cameras! Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT: Next move from Olympus ... Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:39:45 -0700 The Olympus E-3 top of the line camera is now announced on DPReview.com: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0710/07101603olympuse3.asp US price supposedly $1699 MSRP. The grousing on the DPReview.com Olympus SLR Talk Forum has just begun ... ;-) enjoy Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
Mark Roberts wrote: Adam Maas wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The Olympus E-3 top of the line camera is now announced on DPReview.com: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0710/07101603olympuse3.asp US price supposedly $1699 MSRP. The grousing on the DPReview.com Olympus SLR Talk Forum has just begun ... ;-) Looks nice, price is too high for a camera which only matches the D200 spec. But a reasonable flagship body for the 4/3rds system. I'm a bit skeptical about cramming 10 megapixels into a sensor that small but I hope they've found some interesting new technology to pull it off. Because it'll be really nice when it filters up to larger sensors/pixels :) The E-410 and E-510 have the 10MP sensor as well, with noise performance up to roughly what the competition has with their 10MP cameras (Excepting the 40D and 1DmIII, whose high-ISO performance is well above the other 10MP cameras due to the improved sensors similar to the new 12MP sensors in the Sony A700 and Nikon D300) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
Adam Maas wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The Olympus E-3 top of the line camera is now announced on DPReview.com: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0710/07101603olympuse3.asp US price supposedly $1699 MSRP. The grousing on the DPReview.com Olympus SLR Talk Forum has just begun ... ;-) Looks nice, price is too high for a camera which only matches the D200 spec. But a reasonable flagship body for the 4/3rds system. I'm a bit skeptical about cramming 10 megapixels into a sensor that small but I hope they've found some interesting new technology to pull it off. Because it'll be really nice when it filters up to larger sensors/pixels :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Focus within the range of DOF and critical focus are two different things. If you're shooting portraits, for example, you want the eyes to be THE focal point, not just within range of DOF. And less than 2.8 is frequently the stop of choice for portraiture. Paul -- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug Franklin wrote: Adam Maas wrote: Less accurate than the Pentax's, but they get there a fair bit faster. Getting to the wrong place quickly rarely helps anyone. :-) It's fine as long as they're covered by DoF. That's why you hear all the Rebel owners whining that their Rebel can't focus a 50/1.8, the AF's accuracy is only calibrated for f2.8 and slower lenses, any better is a matter of luck. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Indeed, Which leads to a lot of frustrated Rebel owners(well, except for those using the XTi, which has the more accurate AF unit from the 20D/30D). -Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Focus within the range of DOF and critical focus are two different things. If you're shooting portraits, for example, you want the eyes to be THE focal point, not just within range of DOF. And less than 2.8 is frequently the stop of choice for portraiture. Paul -- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug Franklin wrote: Adam Maas wrote: Less accurate than the Pentax's, but they get there a fair bit faster. Getting to the wrong place quickly rarely helps anyone. :-) It's fine as long as they're covered by DoF. That's why you hear all the Rebel owners whining that their Rebel can't focus a 50/1.8, the AF's accuracy is only calibrated for f2.8 and slower lenses, any better is a matter of luck. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
- Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] The 30D/40D are pretty good though. Less accurate than the Pentax's, but they get there a fair bit faster. Isn't that like running 100yards in the opposite direction to a marathon start then claiming you've won? As long as focus accuracy is within the depth of focus (surprisingly deep on telephoto lenses), or depth of field (surprisingly deep on wide angle lenses), then it's all good. I don't know how less accurate (if at all) Canon's AF is, but it certainly isn't going to be especially bad, or people wouldn't be buying their cameras in droves for professional use. Pentax AF may be a tad more accurate, but it is certainly less fast than the present crop of higher performace Canons, which, in many situations where AF is beneficial, negates the advantage of AF. Accuracy of AF with non or slow moving subjects does not necessarily translate into better focusing performance with fast moving subjects. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing In a message dated 10/15/2007 9:24:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And stop posting pictures here, because you won't get an accurate opinion about what is good from this list. William Robb === I beg to differ. Only someone who showed his own photos on list so rarely would think this. Chicken or egg, dear? When I see people who indiscriminately praise everything thats posted, whether tepid or otherwise, I tend to lose respect for the entire process. Rather than damning with faint praise, which does no good at all, perhaps it would be more honest to call spades what they are. Often, this list is little more than a circle jerk when it comes to reviewing pictures. It's a nice, warm and happy place, and I appreciate that people need that in their lives, but the best way to improve your pictures is to have it ruthlessly picked apart, and have the failings of the picture pointed out. Unfortunately, when people do that, they tend to get spat on. I don't post a lot of photos at the moment because most of my photography right now is client based for the studio I am working for, and I'm not bothering with securing permission to show the stuff. My work is selling, and making money, I don't need praise beyond that. We can agree to disagree on this one, I won't think less of you for it, and I hope you'll feel the same way. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lens Enablement X 2
Boris, You have to remember the mantra I learned as a 3 year old... Office, Money, Toys Regards, Bob S. On 10/17/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Evidently, kind sir, you spend too much time having your brain (and sometimes the rest of you too) involved with your work. Think - recreation ;-). On 10/17/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: But Cotty, you gotta shoot with all this gear and then you gotta show us pics! I know - I've been so busy recently with building a vehicle-based edit suite for the day job though. However, I *have* been photographing that ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lens Enablement X 2
Now why did I know that was what I was going to see? Annsan with the Cottycam. Nice shot, Dave. David Savage wrote: On 10/17/07, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The L1 is not little, but a lot smaller than the Canon 1D... Godzilla is smaller than the Canon 1D. It's not quite that bad but it sure does dwarf some people: http://picasaweb.google.com/OzSavage/GFMPeople/photo?authkey=0bepyC4Jwu0#5072233573537811762 ;-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lens Enablement X 2
My statement was sardonic. I could not afford one even if it was at a bargain basement price, but I would sure want it. Precision optical rangefinders are expensive, especially in small quantity runs, so any such camera would not be all that cheap. If my C-5050Z had a great coupled optical rangefinder/veiwfinder and a decent manual interface I would consider it a near perfect camera for 90% of what I do with a camera. Adam Maas wrote: I don't see why a Pentax or Oly one would be ridiculously priced. I suspect they could build one based on the K100D frame for a very reasonable cost. -Adam graywolf wrote: I don't. It would make me sick knowing I could not afford one. Cotty wrote: I wish Olympus or Panasonic/Leica (or even Pentax for that matter ) would make a small digital rangefinder, like about this sort of size. http://www.cameraquest.com/leicacl.htm With Limited lenses it would be formidable. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
Didn't you read the Pentax thread? In January all will be revealed. (The specifications on the E-3 don't look a lot higher than the specifications on the K10D, except for the frame rate anyway). About the frame rate, from DP Review's spec sheet: Continuous 5.0 fps RAW: 1 frames maximum JPEG: Up to card capacity @ HQ 1/8 (with high speed media) 5 fps up to... one frame? I would think that's a typo, except that the JPEG setting for 5fps is HQ, I thought I'd read 19 frames in the press release Ah, I see now. Damn DPReview's typos. The rest of my post still stands, though. Most people I knew who switched to Olympus when the E-System came out have switched back to other systems by now. I wonder how many are left? John Celio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - sand fleas?
http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-98 I was on the beach last weekend working on approaching Greater black-backed gulls. For very large birds, they are remarkably skittish. I managed to get pretty close to this mature adult and came away with some ok shots. This is one of my favorites. Tech: darkside big-ass lens. F11 1/400 ISO 200. I would have used some nice fill flash, but the sigma Ef500 died on the beach. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB Fish eye lens
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: WTB Fish eye lens A friend of mine (camera club member) recently showed us his 360 degree panoramas. Made in Stitcher unlimited with a 10mm wide angle (Nikon). The panoramas were very short - not long thin strips. He had them printed in like 20 x 50 inches and mountyed on aluminium sheets. The photograhes were done in Cuba, China, Vetnam etc. The print/image quality were simply amazingly good. Now I want to do similar recordings. Which affordable fish eye lens (10-16mm) would be appropriate, please? The software is quite expensive - appr. 700 USD :-( The Zenitar 16mm is quite good, and the Pentax 19-17 zoom seems fine as well. Neither is huge money. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
I knew you were. So was I. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ... Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:07:37 -0400 Geez do I really have to put sarcasm tags around my statements? Tom C wrote: Yes, I read it. If true they will have a wonderful all-stops pulled camera, just after the Christmas season and just in time to get old in the tooth before the next one. That doesn't matter to me, but it should to them. Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ... Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:10:40 -0400 Didn't you read the Pentax thread? In January all will be revealed. (The specifications on the E-3 don't look a lot higher than the specifications on the K10D, except for the frame rate anyway). Tom C wrote: Unfortunately in the last two weeks what has Pentax announced? An 18 - 250 coscumer zoom and two idiotic PS cameras! Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT: Next move from Olympus ... Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:39:45 -0700 The Olympus E-3 top of the line camera is now announced on DPReview.com: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0710/07101603olympuse3.asp US price supposedly $1699 MSRP. The grousing on the DPReview.com Olympus SLR Talk Forum has just begun ... ;-) enjoy Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Remember, its pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Remember, its pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
If I may ring the Luddite bell, relying upon AF for critical focus is a foolish idea. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
William Robb wrote: This list is little more than a circle jerk when it comes to reviewing pictures. MARK! -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
On Oct 17, 2007, at 7:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, I see now. Damn DPReview's typos. The rest of my post still stands, though. Most people I knew who switched to Olympus when the E- System came out have switched back to other systems by now. I wonder how many are left? DPReview is being pissy about the E-3 because they didn't get a pre- release camera and Imaging-Resource did ... A photographer I am corresponding with belongs to the Olympus professional services program. The benefits are very good, and you discover that there is a community of a lot of pros using Olympus equipment. Nikon and Canon own the above water part of the iceberg which is professional photography through their highly visible marketing efforts. But the iceberg is 80% or more under water. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
I seem to remember the reviews saying that the noise at ISO 800 with those cameras was much higher than other cameras in that class or if in camera noise reduction was turned on then the resulting photos had visibly less detail, (though both Olympus cameras offer 4 levels of noise reduction). Adam Maas wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Adam Maas wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The Olympus E-3 top of the line camera is now announced on DPReview.com: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0710/07101603olympuse3.asp US price supposedly $1699 MSRP. The grousing on the DPReview.com Olympus SLR Talk Forum has just begun ... ;-) Looks nice, price is too high for a camera which only matches the D200 spec. But a reasonable flagship body for the 4/3rds system. I'm a bit skeptical about cramming 10 megapixels into a sensor that small but I hope they've found some interesting new technology to pull it off. Because it'll be really nice when it filters up to larger sensors/pixels :) The E-410 and E-510 have the 10MP sensor as well, with noise performance up to roughly what the competition has with their 10MP cameras (Excepting the 40D and 1DmIII, whose high-ISO performance is well above the other 10MP cameras due to the improved sensors similar to the new 12MP sensors in the Sony A700 and Nikon D300) -Adam -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
We were speaking of Rebel users. I'll bet nine out of ten use autofocus for everything. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Focus within the range of DOF and critical focus are two different things. If you're shooting portraits, for example, you want the eyes to be THE focal point, not just within range of DOF. And less than 2.8 is frequently the stop of choice for portraiture. If you are shooting portraits, there isn't a lot of reason to use AF, unless your subject is being really uncooperative, in which case, you are probably the wrong photographer for the job. If you use the tools the right way, they work just fine. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Trailing curtain flash pix
I abosolutely love the skateboarding shot. The action is fantastic, all I can say is I wish you had gotten the rest of that arm in! Very, very cool pictures :o) rg2 On 10/17/07, Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just some fun stuff experimenting with trailing curtain flash. Enjoy! http://www.primelensphoto.com/trailing_curtain/index.html K10D, AF-540FGZ, DA*16-50 zoom. -Brendan Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Trailing curtain flash pix
I like the first pic, the dancer. Very nice, and the TC flash gives it movement. The band pics suffer from blown highlights. Paul -- Original message -- From: Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED] I abosolutely love the skateboarding shot. The action is fantastic, all I can say is I wish you had gotten the rest of that arm in! Very, very cool pictures :o) rg2 On 10/17/07, Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just some fun stuff experimenting with trailing curtain flash. Enjoy! http://www.primelensphoto.com/trailing_curtain/index.html K10D, AF-540FGZ, DA*16-50 zoom. -Brendan Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
Strangely, I am unable to access this picture, neither explorer nor firefox wanted to open it. :( rg2 On 10/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice. Good detail in the highlights. He looks damned uncomfortable:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-98 I was on the beach last weekend working on approaching Greater black-backed gulls. For very large birds, they are remarkably skittish. I managed to get pretty close to this mature adult and came away with some ok shots. This is one of my favorites. Tech: darkside big-ass lens. F11 1/400 ISO 200. I would have used some nice fill flash, but the sigma Ef500 died on the beach. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
Very nice. Good detail in the highlights. He looks damned uncomfortable:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-98 I was on the beach last weekend working on approaching Greater black-backed gulls. For very large birds, they are remarkably skittish. I managed to get pretty close to this mature adult and came away with some ok shots. This is one of my favorites. Tech: darkside big-ass lens. F11 1/400 ISO 200. I would have used some nice fill flash, but the sigma Ef500 died on the beach. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? Focus within the range of DOF and critical focus are two different things. If you're shooting portraits, for example, you want the eyes to be THE focal point, not just within range of DOF. And less than 2.8 is frequently the stop of choice for portraiture. If you are shooting portraits, there isn't a lot of reason to use AF, unless your subject is being really uncooperative, in which case, you are probably the wrong photographer for the job. If you use the tools the right way, they work just fine. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
What's a lot? At any venue that attracts pro photographers you'd be lucky to find one Olympus shooter out of a hundred. Seems to be about the same penetration as Pentax. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Oct 17, 2007, at 7:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, I see now. Damn DPReview's typos. The rest of my post still stands, though. Most people I knew who switched to Olympus when the E- System came out have switched back to other systems by now. I wonder how many are left? DPReview is being pissy about the E-3 because they didn't get a pre- release camera and Imaging-Resource did ... A photographer I am corresponding with belongs to the Olympus professional services program. The benefits are very good, and you discover that there is a community of a lot of pros using Olympus equipment. Nikon and Canon own the above water part of the iceberg which is professional photography through their highly visible marketing efforts. But the iceberg is 80% or more under water. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
On 10/17/07, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-98 I was on the beach last weekend working on approaching Greater black-backed gulls. For very large birds, they are remarkably skittish. I managed to get pretty close to this mature adult and came away with some ok shots. This is one of my favorites. Tech: darkside big-ass lens. F11 1/400 ISO 200. I would have used some nice fill flash, but the sigma Ef500 died on the beach. Damn sand flies :-) Really nice shot Christian Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2007 - 42e - GDG
beautiful contrast, I abosolutely love this picture. I like the design in the pool, it adds a nice texture contrast with the plants in the top. Absolutely fantastic. :)) rg2 On 10/16/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Ok, a last photo for the week ... another from this morning's walk in San Jose: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/42e.htm Comments, critique, etc always appreciated. enjoy, Godfrey two thumbs up for sure - I see you were both out for a walk :) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
I think it and I show photos often. I appreciate both positive and negative feedback. However, when I see photo after photo presented that I would have tossed in the trash, and THOSE images receive high praise, then it raises the possibility that I must discount the positive feedback I receive, as the feedback may be erroneous or the image is not as worth as much I may have thought. If someone is sharing an image out of camaraderie it's one thing. In that case the person is likely not expecting feedback about the image, but possibly just about the subject, as when I displayed the photos of the chihuahua. It seems though that almost every image is viewed as exceptional. I agree with Bill on this. If I critiqued every image displayed I'd not be very well liked. So I save my sincere positive feedback for those that are very well done, and I may offer sincere suggestions for those that I feel almost make it, but could use improvement. One must also take into consideration the experience of the one making the comments. Perceptions and the ability to view critically grow with time. Images that I once thought were very good, now present glaring deficiencies when I view them. They may have been the best I had done at the time, but in hindsight I see they were not a good as I once thought. Tom C. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:10:48 -0600 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing In a message dated 10/15/2007 9:24:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And stop posting pictures here, because you won't get an accurate opinion about what is good from this list. William Robb === I beg to differ. Only someone who showed his own photos on list so rarely would think this. Chicken or egg, dear? When I see people who indiscriminately praise everything thats posted, whether tepid or otherwise, I tend to lose respect for the entire process. Rather than damning with faint praise, which does no good at all, perhaps it would be more honest to call spades what they are. Often, this list is little more than a circle jerk when it comes to reviewing pictures. It's a nice, warm and happy place, and I appreciate that people need that in their lives, but the best way to improve your pictures is to have it ruthlessly picked apart, and have the failings of the picture pointed out. Unfortunately, when people do that, they tend to get spat on. I don't post a lot of photos at the moment because most of my photography right now is client based for the studio I am working for, and I'm not bothering with securing permission to show the stuff. My work is selling, and making money, I don't need praise beyond that. We can agree to disagree on this one, I won't think less of you for it, and I hope you'll feel the same way. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
What Paul said. Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice. Good detail in the highlights. He looks damned uncomfortable:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-98 I was on the beach last weekend working on approaching Greater black-backed gulls. For very large birds, they are remarkably skittish. I managed to get pretty close to this mature adult and came away with some ok shots. This is one of my favorites. Tech: darkside big-ass lens. F11 1/400 ISO 200. I would have used some nice fill flash, but the sigma Ef500 died on the beach. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
For those who may be interested: Most of the editors mentioned in this sub-thread are from the Unix/Linux world although most of them are available for Windows these days (Unix stuff should run natively on OS-X for the Apple fans). Emacs started out as a text editor but has over time evolved into more of a computing environment, an application that does everything, 180 degrees away from the Unix philosophy (many small applications that can interact); you either love it or hate it, there is no middle ground. Perhaps the most exotic editing system mention is the LyX/LaTeX one I comment on. Tex (LaTeX is an enhanced version) is the original Unix formating/typesetting program. It takes a text file and turns it into a completely formated Postscript file to send to the printer or typesetting machine. LyX is a graphical text editor that uses templates to tell LaTeX how to format the page(s). Once you have a template you simply type in your text and send it and the template to LaTeX and a completely formated document comes out. Business letters all come out with identical formating. Writing a novel? Every chapter comes out with the same format ready to be printed. A dissertation? Completely formatted including all footnotes and citations. So one can easily see what I meant about using it to write a 100 volume encyclopedia. Overkill for most uses, but once set up it is as easy to use as a basic text editor; simply select a template, type in your text, spell check it, and print it. Saves hours of formating hassles. The text/programing editor I normally use is Wordpad (the free version, the pro versions is more of a programing environment). I also use Word 2003 because someone gave me Office 2003, and because it is pretty much the standard out there although it is bloatware taken to an extreme and takes about a week to figure out how to shut off all those unwanted features everytime I have to reload it. BTW, Wordpad that comes with Win XP is not bad as a basic wordprocessor. David Savage wrote: I'm reading this sub-thread and it's all whistling over my head. (I know about LISP, as Autocad uses it, but the rest is gobbledygook :-) . You guy's are such computer geek's vbg For the record, if I need to write a letter, report etc it can't be hand written, I used MS Word/Excel at work the Open Office equivalent at home Cheers, Dave At 03:04 AM 17/10/2007, Adam Maas wrote: BBEdit is superb. I miss it (Running a Vista system as my main box right now, need to get another Mac). -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: Sorry my text editor of choice is KEdit, a windows version of XEdit. Extensible using REX, (I think I have a REX manual around here somewhere), a language that is one understandable by mere mortals and doesn't lead me to trying to rewrite the editor entirely, so I actually get some work done. Gonz wrote: Then you need to run M-x doctor. (ever tried that?) :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
According to one photographer I have been friends with for many years, one of his corporate clients has ordered four digit figures of Olympus E-3 cameras, to replace the E-1 and E-300s they currently have, for their commercial photography staffers, who number in the several hundreds of people. It's anecdotal information, but I'd call that a lot. As I said, Nikon and Canon are the most highly visible part of the community. They're in sports, photojournalism, news, and a lot of other highly visible markets, they have large number of name photographers. But that doesn't mean there aren't a lot of other photographers out there. Godfrey On Oct 17, 2007, at 8:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's a lot? At any venue that attracts pro photographers you'd be lucky to find one Olympus shooter out of a hundred. Seems to be about the same penetration as Pentax. Paul A photographer I am corresponding with belongs to the Olympus professional services program. The benefits are very good, and you discover that there is a community of a lot of pros using Olympus equipment. Nikon and Canon own the above water part of the iceberg which is professional photography through their highly visible marketing efforts. But the iceberg is 80% or more under water. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Enablement
So, I decided to get rid of most of the rest of my 35mm kit (I'm mostly shooting MF now). I still need something for shooting in bars and DS's are getting dirt cheap. I went to the local pusher's and dumped a bunch of kit I handn't been able to sell myself. In trade I picked up a DS, 18-55 DA, 28/2.8 SMC-A and a screwmount adaptor. I'm back playing with digital, and in the Pentax camp. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
Certainly an interesting pose...you don't think that perhaps the gull thinks this is a sexy pose do you grin? A nice shot - my only nit is the crop is a little tight on the right and maybe the top. -- Bruce Wednesday, October 17, 2007, 7:52:35 AM, you wrote: C http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-98 C I was on the beach last weekend working on approaching Greater C black-backed gulls. For very large birds, they are remarkably skittish. C I managed to get pretty close to this mature adult and came away with C some ok shots. This is one of my favorites. C Tech: darkside big-ass lens. F11 1/400 ISO 200. I would have used some C nice fill flash, but the sigma Ef500 died on the beach. C -- C Christian C http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
weird... perhaps your ISP is blocking it. Try here: http://tinyurl.com/38q3pg -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net Rebekah wrote: Strangely, I am unable to access this picture, neither explorer nor firefox wanted to open it. :( rg2 On 10/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice. Good detail in the highlights. He looks damned uncomfortable:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-98 I was on the beach last weekend working on approaching Greater black-backed gulls. For very large birds, they are remarkably skittish. I managed to get pretty close to this mature adult and came away with some ok shots. This is one of my favorites. Tech: darkside big-ass lens. F11 1/400 ISO 200. I would have used some nice fill flash, but the sigma Ef500 died on the beach. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] The 30D/40D are pretty good though. Less accurate than the Pentax's, but they get there a fair bit faster. Isn't that like running 100yards in the opposite direction to a marathon start then claiming you've won? As long as focus accuracy is within the depth of focus (surprisingly deep on telephoto lenses), or depth of field (surprisingly deep on wide angle lenses), then it's all good. I don't know how less accurate (if at all) Canon's AF is, but it certainly isn't going to be especially bad, or people wouldn't be buying their cameras in droves for professional use. Pentax AF may be a tad more accurate, but it is certainly less fast than the present crop of higher performace Canons, which, in many situations where AF is beneficial, negates the advantage of AF. Accuracy of AF with non or slow moving subjects does not necessarily translate into better focusing performance with fast moving subjects. William Robb Note this is Canon's low-end AF. Their higher-end units (like on the 1-series) are truly world-class. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
On 10/18/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ? From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] The 30D/40D are pretty good though. Less accurate than the Pentax's, but they get there a fair bit faster. Isn't that like running 100yards in the opposite direction to a marathon start then claiming you've won? As long as focus accuracy is within the depth of focus (surprisingly deep on telephoto lenses), or depth of field (surprisingly deep on wide angle lenses), then it's all good. I don't know how less accurate (if at all) Canon's AF is, but it certainly isn't going to be especially bad, or people wouldn't be buying their cameras in droves for professional use. Pentax AF may be a tad more accurate, but it is certainly less fast than the present crop of higher performace Canons, which, in many situations where AF is beneficial, negates the advantage of AF. Accuracy of AF with non or slow moving subjects does not necessarily translate into better focusing performance with fast moving subjects. William Robb Note this is Canon's low-end AF. Their higher-end units (like on the 1-series) are truly world-class. And If I remember correctly isn't that (Canon 1Dxxx) what Wendy is using? (I'm assuming it was Wendy you were originally refering to Bill) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lens Enablement X 2
On 17/10/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Think - recreation ;-). What's that?!? For 22 years I was staff and had five paid week's holiday a year. I could ring in sick when I stubbed my toe. I had a 37.5 hour week with paid overtime at 1.5T and 2T on a Sunday! I got a Discovery as a company car. But then the gravy train hit the buffers. Now I'm a contracted freelance and I have to source, buy and insure all my own car and kit. I have 200 days guaranteed a year for another 15 months, spread by working 4 weeks out of 5. If I take time off, i pay a subcontractor to replace myself - eg money lost. I do make twice what I used to though, so it's swings and roundabouts as we say in Ye Olde Englande. I know what you mean though - my 13 year old son keeps pestering me to go play a round of golf. I'm supposed to be pestering *him* All I want to really do is spend the rest of my life cruising the rivers and canals of Europe in a Dutch barge if truth be told ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
On 16/10/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: Point taken. It really is the high end Canons that are so blisteringly fast. If I find myself shooting a lot of agility, I might have to consider one of them and some sort of a zoom lens for it, though an improved Pentax would suit me better. I see Wendy's been showing you hers again ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
On 17/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: And less than 2.8 is frequently the stop of choice for portraiture. or even 1.4 ;-))) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
On 17/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: At any venue that attracts pro photographers you'd be lucky to find one Olympus shooter out of a hundred. Seems to be about the same penetration as Pentax. As DB says. We're screwed then. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
oh thanks! I don't know why that happened :o) that picture is really great - I love the even background and the bird's funny pose :) Out of curiosity, have you tried it out in BW? rg2 On 10/17/07, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: weird... perhaps your ISP is blocking it. Try here: http://tinyurl.com/38q3pg -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net Rebekah wrote: Strangely, I am unable to access this picture, neither explorer nor firefox wanted to open it. :( rg2 On 10/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice. Good detail in the highlights. He looks damned uncomfortable:-). Paul -- Original message -- From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-98 I was on the beach last weekend working on approaching Greater black-backed gulls. For very large birds, they are remarkably skittish. I managed to get pretty close to this mature adult and came away with some ok shots. This is one of my favorites. Tech: darkside big-ass lens. F11 1/400 ISO 200. I would have used some nice fill flash, but the sigma Ef500 died on the beach. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
That's the case with the older bodies, those used a 8, 7.5 or 5.4MP sensor which was much noisier than the new 10MP sensor they introduced with the current consumer bodies. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: I seem to remember the reviews saying that the noise at ISO 800 with those cameras was much higher than other cameras in that class or if in camera noise reduction was turned on then the resulting photos had visibly less detail, (though both Olympus cameras offer 4 levels of noise reduction). Adam Maas wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Adam Maas wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The Olympus E-3 top of the line camera is now announced on DPReview.com: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0710/07101603olympuse3.asp US price supposedly $1699 MSRP. The grousing on the DPReview.com Olympus SLR Talk Forum has just begun ... ;-) Looks nice, price is too high for a camera which only matches the D200 spec. But a reasonable flagship body for the 4/3rds system. I'm a bit skeptical about cramming 10 megapixels into a sensor that small but I hope they've found some interesting new technology to pull it off. Because it'll be really nice when it filters up to larger sensors/pixels :) The E-410 and E-510 have the 10MP sensor as well, with noise performance up to roughly what the competition has with their 10MP cameras (Excepting the 40D and 1DmIII, whose high-ISO performance is well above the other 10MP cameras due to the improved sensors similar to the new 12MP sensors in the Sony A700 and Nikon D300) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
BTW were you using you frying pan? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
Cotty wrote: BTW were you using you frying pan? Of course! and, I lost my car keys in the sand... Had to go back and retrace the paths I created whilst wriggling on my belly until I found them... WHEW! -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
On 17/10/07, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-98 I was on the beach last weekend working on approaching Greater black-backed gulls. For very large birds, they are remarkably skittish. I managed to get pretty close to this mature adult and came away with some ok shots. This is one of my favorites. Tech: darkside big-ass lens. F11 1/400 ISO 200. I would have used some nice fill flash, but the sigma Ef500 died on the beach. Lovely light. Great work as usual you shitbag ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
Bruce Dayton wrote: Certainly an interesting pose...you don't think that perhaps the gull thinks this is a sexy pose do you grin? A nice shot - my only nit is the crop is a little tight on the right and maybe the top. Thanks, Bruce. I was disappointed to see that the tail was chopped off a bit too. The top I personally think is ok. For the presentation I cropped a bit of OOF sand on the bottom and some sky from the top. Looking back, I shot it as a vertical and should have shot it as a landscape (as I ended up cropping it). Oh well. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
David Savage wrote: On 10/17/07, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-98 I was on the beach last weekend working on approaching Greater black-backed gulls. For very large birds, they are remarkably skittish. I managed to get pretty close to this mature adult and came away with some ok shots. This is one of my favorites. Tech: darkside big-ass lens. F11 1/400 ISO 200. I would have used some nice fill flash, but the sigma Ef500 died on the beach. Damn sand flies :-) Really nice shot Christian Thanks, Dave. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
Hmmm, I really liked the E1. If I had just a ton of cash I probably would have bought into the system. Evan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
Christian, ever have sand fleas in your shorts? If not, you missed a good opportunity. 8-() Jack --- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: BTW were you using you frying pan? Of course! and, I lost my car keys in the sand... Had to go back and retrace the paths I created whilst wriggling on my belly until I found them... WHEW! -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
Thanks, Paul and Jack. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net Jack Davis wrote: What Paul said. Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice. Good detail in the highlights. He looks damned uncomfortable:-). Paul http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-98 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
In a message dated 10/17/2007 8:08:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chicken or egg, dear? When I see people who indiscriminately praise everything thats posted, whether tepid or otherwise, I tend to lose respect for the entire process. Rather than damning with faint praise, which does no good at all, perhaps it would be more honest to call spades what they are. Often, this list is little more than a circle jerk when it comes to reviewing pictures. It's a nice, warm and happy place, and I appreciate that people need that in their lives, but the best way to improve your pictures is to have it ruthlessly picked apart, and have the failings of the picture pointed out. Unfortunately, when people do that, they tend to get spat on. I don't post a lot of photos at the moment because most of my photography right now is client based for the studio I am working for, and I'm not bothering with securing permission to show the stuff. My work is selling, and making money, I don't need praise beyond that. We can agree to disagree on this one, I won't think less of you for it, and I hope you'll feel the same way. William Robb - A lot of us say nothing when we do not like a photo -- we've talked about this a lot over the years. When you share you get used to who says what and over time you know who is not chiming in -- ergo lots or minimal reactions. Minimal means many are not saying anything which is telling all by itself. There are very few indiscriminate praisers here -- I don't see that happening. What you don't get is that if someone likes something and someone else doesn't, it means it rang bells with someone and maybe not with the other 80-90%. That is valuable information too. And reactions are subjective. As I said before, when one shows photos one gets a fairly good idea of how good the photo is by the reactions on list -- lots of reactions to minimal reactions to lukewarm reactions to high praise. I get tired of this idea that there is no point in showing photos here and that we all have our heads up our asses. That if one person says they like a photo that the shower is stupid enough to think it means everyone likes it. We don't. You really think we're all stupid don't you? We know what kind of feedback we get. Later, Marnie - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
On Oct 17, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Cotty wrote: On 17/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: And less than 2.8 is frequently the stop of choice for portraiture. or even 1.4 ;-))) Huh? I dunno about anyone else, but I need about 1-1.5 feet DoF as a minimum at 7' focus distance for a conventional HS portrait to obtain razor sharp eyes and acceptably sharp nose to shoulders, with a nicely soft backdrop. With an 75mm lens on a 35mm film SLR, that requires f/8. - Subject distance 7 ft Depth of field Near limit 6.43 ft Far limit 7.67 ft Total 1.24 ft In front of subject 0.57 ft (46%) Behind subject 0.67 ft (54%) - With a 43mm lens on a Pentax DSLR, it presents a somewhat wider FoV, but f/4 works well to produce a very similar image: - Subject distance 7 ft Depth of field Near limit 6.42 ft Far limit 7.7 ft Total 1.28 ft In front of subject 0.58 ft (45%) Behind subject 0.7 ft (55%) - Shooting with either at f/2.8 or larger lens openings creates unsharpness in the foreground (at the nose) of a HS portrait, which is distracting and looks bad. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB Fish eye lens
I use the peleng 8mm fisheye and the pentax 10-17 is on my wishlist. Stitcher is very expensive. Why not try PTgui. The more shots you take the higher the resolution (for prints). With the 16-45 it would take 30 shots @ 16 mm for 360x180 panos, only doable with a panohead like the nodal ninja or manfrotto sph. On 10/17/07, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine (camera club member) recently showed us his 360 degree panoramas. Made in Stitcher unlimited with a 10mm wide angle (Nikon). The panoramas were very short - not long thin strips. He had them printed in like 20 x 50 inches and mountyed on aluminium sheets. The photograhes were done in Cuba, China, Vetnam etc. The print/image quality were simply amazingly good. Now I want to do similar recordings. Which affordable fish eye lens (10-16mm) would be appropriate, please? The software is quite expensive - appr. 700 USD :-( Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 14:14 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Toine http://www.repiuk.nl -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
Rebekah wrote: http://tinyurl.com/38q3pg oh thanks! I don't know why that happened :o) that picture is really great - I love the even background and the bird's funny pose :) Out of curiosity, have you tried it out in BW? Thanks, Rebekah. I just tried a BW conversion and honestly, it does nothing for me. :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
In a message dated 10/17/2007 7:53:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Geez do I really have to put sarcasm tags around my statements? == Peter, when I see a post from you I do that automatically (mentally). Marnie aka Doe ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Oct 17, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Cotty wrote: On 17/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: And less than 2.8 is frequently the stop of choice for portraiture. or even 1.4 ;-))) Huh? I dunno about anyone else, but I need about 1-1.5 feet DoF as a minimum at 7' focus distance for a conventional HS portrait to obtain razor sharp eyes and acceptably sharp nose to shoulders, with a nicely soft backdrop. With an 75mm lens on a 35mm film SLR, that requires f/8. - Subject distance 7 ft Depth of field Near limit 6.43 ft Far limit 7.67 ft Total 1.24 ft In front of subject 0.57 ft (46%) Behind subject 0.67 ft (54%) - With a 43mm lens on a Pentax DSLR, it presents a somewhat wider FoV, but f/4 works well to produce a very similar image: - Subject distance 7 ft Depth of field Near limit 6.42 ft Far limit 7.7 ft Total 1.28 ft In front of subject 0.58 ft (45%) Behind subject 0.7 ft (55%) - Shooting with either at f/2.8 or larger lens openings creates unsharpness in the foreground (at the nose) of a HS portrait, which is distracting and looks bad. Godfrey There's only a few inches from the tip of the nose to the eyes and 3-4 more to the ears. That's what I usually want in focus, and that requires a larger aperture than f8 at 75mm on 35mm(which would have the entire head, and then some in focus). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
Thanks, Rebekah. I just tried a BW conversion and honestly, it does nothing for me. :-) You're right, I tried it too and without the color I'm bored :) I love the pink feet! rg2 On 10/17/07, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Savage wrote: On 10/17/07, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-98 I was on the beach last weekend working on approaching Greater black-backed gulls. For very large birds, they are remarkably skittish. I managed to get pretty close to this mature adult and came away with some ok shots. This is one of my favorites. Tech: darkside big-ass lens. F11 1/400 ISO 200. I would have used some nice fill flash, but the sigma Ef500 died on the beach. Damn sand flies :-) Really nice shot Christian Thanks, Dave. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- the subject of a photograph is far less important than its composition -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
On 17/10/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Shooting with either at f/2.8 or larger lens openings creates unsharpness in the foreground (at the nose) of a HS portrait, which is distracting and looks bad. Godders Godders Godders Selective focus portraiture has been in vogue here in Europe for several years, almost passe now. The latest fashion seems to be shooting sharp and blurring in PS in areas that would have been impossible to do at shooting stage. From landscapes to product shots - they're all at it. I don't do that but I do like minimal DOF in a portrait. http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/portraits/images/pic26.html http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/portraits/images/pic31.html Regarding style and fashion, I realise that cutting edge European trends take a while to filter across the pond ;-))) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
In a message dated 10/17/2007 7:54:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-98 I was on the beach last weekend working on approaching Greater black-backed gulls. For very large birds, they are remarkably skittish. I managed to get pretty close to this mature adult and came away with some ok shots. This is one of my favorites. Tech: darkside big-ass lens. F11 1/400 ISO 200. I would have used some nice fill flash, but the sigma Ef500 died on the beach. -- Christian Nice! That blurry part in the foreground sort of bothers me though. It doesn't look natural, because there is almost a line. If it were me I'd probably go in and clone that part in with unblurry parts. Just a suggestion. You look like you are right on top of it, Christian. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT (bikey): How to suffer
On 10/16/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.rapha.cc/continental/ :-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
When shooting paid portaits, I rarely shooter faster than f4, usually more towards f5.6. There are cases where faster is useful, but they are more the exception than the rule. On trick is to not put them too close to the background - that way they are all in focus and the background is not. Or you can use a background that doesn't compete with the subject. I do agree that the eyes have to be sharp. If they are, then a little softness in other areas can be forgiven or ignored by the viewer, but if the eyes are soft, no matter what else you do, the picture is not acceptable. That is one of the reasons I find manual focus so important when shooting people/portraits/weddings. You have to get the right focus and don't want to be fussing with focus locking/recomposing or fiddling with trying to set the right focus point. Just use your eyes and turn the focus ring to the right spot. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, October 17, 2007, 10:25:20 AM, you wrote: GD On Oct 17, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Cotty wrote: On 17/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: And less than 2.8 is frequently the stop of choice for portraiture. or even 1.4 ;-))) GD Huh? I dunno about anyone else, but I need about 1-1.5 feet DoF as a GD minimum at 7' focus distance for a conventional HS portrait to GD obtain razor sharp eyes and acceptably sharp nose to shoulders, with GD a nicely soft backdrop. GD With an 75mm lens on a 35mm film SLR, that requires f/8. GD - GD Subject distance 7 ft GD Depth of field GD Near limit 6.43 ft GD Far limit 7.67 ft GD Total 1.24 ft GD In front of subject 0.57 ft (46%) GD Behind subject 0.67 ft (54%) GD - GD With a 43mm lens on a Pentax DSLR, it presents a somewhat wider FoV, GD but f/4 works well to produce a very similar image: GD - GD Subject distance 7 ft GD Depth of field GD Near limit 6.42 ft GD Far limit 7.7 ft GD Total 1.28 ft GD In front of subject 0.58 ft (45%) GD Behind subject 0.7 ft (55%) GD - GD Shooting with either at f/2.8 or larger lens openings creates GD unsharpness in the foreground (at the nose) of a HS portrait, which GD is distracting and looks bad. GD Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
Just because I do not comment does not mean I am condemning a photo. I usually only comment when a photo does something for me personally. I try not to criticize photos unless someone asks for technical help. Furthermore I do not look at a lot of them, because I do not have enough time to do so. And I am not much interested in others comments about someone's photo, I am not that insecure. I do like to think that I have been helpful to beginners, either at photography or trying to break into the business, a time or two here on the list. Overall that is for them to decide however. The fact is that most of the folks posting photos to this list are competent photographers. If they are so insecure that they need constant praise they should see a good shrink (There is no negativity implied, I have and continue to do so myself. Crap programmed into someone in early childhood continues to make life difficult even decades later.) Read a lot, look at thousands of photos, eventually you get so you do not have to analyze them you just feel it (And, as anyone who reads the list much knows, I am a very analytical person). Most of us are only going to make a few gut grabber photos in our lifetime, those are the ones you remember forever once you have seen them. I have discovered that the majority of photography buyers do not want art. The want competently done snapshots. Even the art buyers do not really want art, they want competently done snapshots by famous, or potentially famous photographers. My own problem was that I am from a blue collar background, have lived amongst blue collar people, and think like blue collar people. You know, the ones who still think $20 is a lot of money. If you work for folks who think $200 is pocket change you can make a decent living from photography. Sorry for the stream of consciousness monologue. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - A lot of us say nothing when we do not like a photo -- we've talked about this a lot over the years. When you share you get used to who says what and over time you know who is not chiming in -- ergo lots or minimal reactions. Minimal means many are not saying anything which is telling all by itself. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: WTB Fish eye lens
On Oct 17, 2007, at 3:14 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Which affordable fish eye lens (10-16mm) would be appropriate, please? The software is quite expensive - appr. 700 USD :-( The Zenitar-K 16mm f/2.8 FE is an excellent lens for not a lot of money. Currently about US $150 delivered. Quality is somewhat variable unit to unit but most are very good. A Pentax K-mount 17mm f/4 FE is a darn good lens, better than the above, for about twice that when you can find one. A Pentax Fish-Eye- Takumar 17/4 (SMC or not) is about the same. The DA10-17/3.5-4.5 FE is an excellent performer, best and most flexible on the DSLR bodies, and costs about $450. I've used and had/have all of these. If I were buying now, for a K10D, I'd buy the DA10-17 FE without question. (I use the Fish-Eye- Takumar 17/4 on my L1 camera with an adapter. It's produced some amazingly good photos.) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
If all you have is a hammer, then every problem looks like a nail. Cory Papenfuss wrote: Word is used as the wrong tool for so many jobs it's incredible. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
That's all very true of conventional portraiture. But I've seen many lovely shots with critical focus on the eyes only. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Oct 17, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Cotty wrote: On 17/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: And less than 2.8 is frequently the stop of choice for portraiture. or even 1.4 ;-))) Huh? I dunno about anyone else, but I need about 1-1.5 feet DoF as a minimum at 7' focus distance for a conventional HS portrait to obtain razor sharp eyes and acceptably sharp nose to shoulders, with a nicely soft backdrop. With an 75mm lens on a 35mm film SLR, that requires f/8. - Subject distance 7 ft Depth of field Near limit 6.43 ft Far limit 7.67 ft Total 1.24 ft In front of subject 0.57 ft (46%) Behind subject 0.67 ft (54%) - With a 43mm lens on a Pentax DSLR, it presents a somewhat wider FoV, but f/4 works well to produce a very similar image: - Subject distance 7 ft Depth of field Near limit 6.42 ft Far limit 7.7 ft Total 1.28 ft In front of subject 0.58 ft (45%) Behind subject 0.7 ft (55%) - Shooting with either at f/2.8 or larger lens openings creates unsharpness in the foreground (at the nose) of a HS portrait, which is distracting and looks bad. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sand fleas?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/17/2007 7:54:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://photography2.skofteland.net:8080/displayimage.php?pos=-98 Nice! That blurry part in the foreground sort of bothers me though. It doesn't look natural, because there is almost a line. If it were me I'd probably go in and clone that part in with unblurry parts. Just a suggestion. Thanks, I'll have a look at it. Just a product of the shallow DOF with that FL at that distance I guess. You look like you are right on top of it, Christian. Underneath it actually. It was on top of a ridge and I was on a slope crawling up towards it. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's all very true of conventional portraiture. But I've seen many lovely shots with critical focus on the eyes only. Paul yeah but what do you, cotty and I know about portraiture! apparently about as much as we know about street photography... :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
In a message dated 10/17/2007 11:05:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The fact is that most of the folks posting photos to this list are competent photographers. If they are so insecure that they need constant praise they should see a good shrink = Yup. I would just add if someone wants weighted comments like a jury panel, they can enter shows. If someone wants feedback that is more critical, i.e. brutal, meant to improve their photos, they can take a class. If someone wants to be more competitive and see how they rank against others, they can join a camera club. Also, this is a hobby for about 90-99% of us and meant to be fun. It's nice to have a venue like PDML to show photos and get reactions. Some of us may have very uninterested family and friends and, for various reasons, aren't interested in other venues. Although many of us have also used those venues. So I maintain that us who show can tell over time what kind of feedback we are getting (on a particular photo). Because of the no comments, the type of comments, who comments and what they say, etc. Experience tells us, if nothing else. We are not stupid and we are quite capable of evaluating the feedback we get on our own. We don't need someone else evaluating that feedback for us, maybe attempting to be some sort of PDML arbitrator. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
No, no, Bruce. You know that you have to have auto-focus for portraiture. I mean that subject may move a couple of inches or so between shots. GRIN Excellent advice, by the way. Bruce Dayton wrote: When shooting paid portaits, I rarely shooter faster than f4, usually more towards f5.6. There are cases where faster is useful, but they are more the exception than the rule. On trick is to not put them too close to the background - that way they are all in focus and the background is not. Or you can use a background that doesn't compete with the subject. I do agree that the eyes have to be sharp. If they are, then a little softness in other areas can be forgiven or ignored by the viewer, but if the eyes are soft, no matter what else you do, the picture is not acceptable. That is one of the reasons I find manual focus so important when shooting people/portraits/weddings. You have to get the right focus and don't want to be fussing with focus locking/recomposing or fiddling with trying to set the right focus point. Just use your eyes and turn the focus ring to the right spot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
Everyone has their likes and dislikes. I prefer razor sharp eyes and eyelashes, nose just soft enough that pores aren't disturbing, soft ears, very soft forground (if any) and background so soft that it only hints of something. Bokeh is important. But that's just me. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Oct 17, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Cotty wrote: On 17/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: And less than 2.8 is frequently the stop of choice for portraiture. or even 1.4 ;-))) Huh? I dunno about anyone else, but I need about 1-1.5 feet DoF as a minimum at 7' focus distance for a conventional HS portrait to obtain razor sharp eyes and acceptably sharp nose to shoulders, with a nicely soft backdrop. With an 75mm lens on a 35mm film SLR, that requires f/8. - Subject distance 7 ft Depth of field Near limit 6.43 ft Far limit 7.67 ft Total 1.24 ft In front of subject 0.57 ft (46%) Behind subject 0.67 ft (54%) - With a 43mm lens on a Pentax DSLR, it presents a somewhat wider FoV, but f/4 works well to produce a very similar image: - Subject distance 7 ft Depth of field Near limit 6.42 ft Far limit 7.7 ft Total 1.28 ft In front of subject 0.58 ft (45%) Behind subject 0.7 ft (55%) - Shooting with either at f/2.8 or larger lens openings creates unsharpness in the foreground (at the nose) of a HS portrait, which is distracting and looks bad. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
-- Original message -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] l Regarding style and fashion, I realise that cutting edge European trends take a while to filter across the pond ;-))) Bite your tongue, young fellow. My pic of Steve at f2.5 with the K85/1.8: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4159763 Love both of those portraits you showed, by the way. Particularly the old coot! Paul -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Next move from Olympus ...
On 10/17/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: At any venue that attracts pro photographers you'd be lucky to find one Olympus shooter out of a hundred. Seems to be about the same penetration as Pentax. As DB says. We're screwed then. I never said anything, yet.:-) DB -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Photo Gallery
On 10/16/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Say what you will about how they choose their photos, but browsing the Pentax Gallery for an hour or so (while your students take a mid-term exam) is a fine way to generate some enthusiasm for photography and inspiration for your own shooting. So, you missed mine again eh.;-0 Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
Tom C wrote: If someone is sharing an image out of camaraderie it's one thing. In that case the person is likely not expecting feedback about the image, but possibly just about the subject, as when I displayed the photos of the chihuahua. It seems though that almost every image is viewed as exceptional. One must also take into consideration the experience of the one making the comments. Perceptions and the ability to view critically grow with time. Images that I once thought were very good, now present glaring deficiencies when I view them. They may have been the best I had done at the time, but in hindsight I see they were not a good as I once thought. Tom C. I think the opposite happens occasionally too one reason I never literally toss stuff I've done even if I think it is lousy work :) Now and then I find something in my archives taht I think is worth something and I chose a different negative to print... I might find myself liking the one a rejected years ago better than the one I chose as what I thought had the most promise. In terms of commenting on others here, I generally give a nod to those I enjoy but if I feel I can help by serious critquing I tend to do that off list... IF something really sucks I keep my fingers off the keyboard :) ann From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:10:48 -0600 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing In a message dated 10/15/2007 9:24:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And stop posting pictures here, because you won't get an accurate opinion about what is good from this list. William Robb === I beg to differ. Only someone who showed his own photos on list so rarely would think this. Chicken or egg, dear? When I see people who indiscriminately praise everything thats posted, whether tepid or otherwise, I tend to lose respect for the entire process. Rather than damning with faint praise, which does no good at all, perhaps it would be more honest to call spades what they are. Often, this list is little more than a circle jerk when it comes to reviewing pictures. It's a nice, warm and happy place, and I appreciate that people need that in their lives, but the best way to improve your pictures is to have it ruthlessly picked apart, and have the failings of the picture pointed out. Unfortunately, when people do that, they tend to get spat on. I don't post a lot of photos at the moment because most of my photography right now is client based for the studio I am working for, and I'm not bothering with securing permission to show the stuff. My work is selling, and making money, I don't need praise beyond that. We can agree to disagree on this one, I won't think less of you for it, and I hope you'll feel the same way. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Possible GFM trip
Have a good trip, if you can make it., Dave On 10/16/07, Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We MAY take a day trip this coming Saturday to GFM to check the fall colors. I'm seriously considering taking the Optio MX and giving it a good work out. It's especially good for macro, since it will focus as close as the front element of the lens. For general use, I'll probably use it in Av mode. Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Enablement
On 10/17/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I decided to get rid of most of the rest of my 35mm kit (I'm mostly shooting MF now). I still need something for shooting in bars and DS's are getting dirt cheap. I went to the local pusher's and dumped a bunch of kit I handn't been able to sell myself. In trade I picked up a DS, 18-55 DA, 28/2.8 SMC-A and a screwmount adaptor. I'm back playing with digital, and in the Pentax camp. Well, if thats all you could get, i suppose, well, welcome back.LOL Dave -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Rebates
On 10/16/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which means if you turn around and e-Bay off the 18-55mm lens for about $100 the real price is $497. Quite a bargain for a Semi-Pro camera. Semi-pro. I';ll have you know that i sold my first picture via a Pentax camera. Mind you, the last 1800 were from the Nikons. :-) Dave Tom C wrote: Even though it's not on the Pentax USA website yet (sheesh, c'mon Pentax), there's a new $100 rebate on the K10D, K100D Super, and other rebates on flashes and lenses at Tristate Camera. 10-18-2007 - 01-31-2007 http://www.tristatecamera.com/rebates/pentax%20slr.pdf Makes the K10D $597. Tom C. -- Remember, it's pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Enablement
David J Brooks wrote: On 10/17/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I decided to get rid of most of the rest of my 35mm kit (I'm mostly shooting MF now). I still need something for shooting in bars and DS's are getting dirt cheap. I went to the local pusher's and dumped a bunch of kit I handn't been able to sell myself. In trade I picked up a DS, 18-55 DA, 28/2.8 SMC-A and a screwmount adaptor. I'm back playing with digital, and in the Pentax camp. Well, if thats all you could get, i suppose, well, welcome back.LOL Dave Heh, well there will be some more glass and a K10D in my near future, but this was what I could get from trade-in kit alone (and a bit of cash for the 28/2.8). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
In the future, I'll be especially eager to read your comments re my stuff. grin Jack --- ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom C wrote: If someone is sharing an image out of camaraderie it's one thing. In that case the person is likely not expecting feedback about the image, but possibly just about the subject, as when I displayed the photos of the chihuahua. It seems though that almost every image is viewed as exceptional. One must also take into consideration the experience of the one making the comments. Perceptions and the ability to view critically grow with time. Images that I once thought were very good, now present glaring deficiencies when I view them. They may have been the best I had done at the time, but in hindsight I see they were not a good as I once thought. Tom C. I think the opposite happens occasionally too one reason I never literally toss stuff I've done even if I think it is lousy work :) Now and then I find something in my archives taht I think is worth something and I chose a different negative to print... I might find myself liking the one a rejected years ago better than the one I chose as what I thought had the most promise. In terms of commenting on others here, I generally give a nod to those I enjoy but if I feel I can help by serious critquing I tend to do that off list... IF something really sucks I keep my fingers off the keyboard :) ann From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:10:48 -0600 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing In a message dated 10/15/2007 9:24:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And stop posting pictures here, because you won't get an accurate opinion about what is good from this list. William Robb === I beg to differ. Only someone who showed his own photos on list so rarely would think this. Chicken or egg, dear? When I see people who indiscriminately praise everything thats posted, whether tepid or otherwise, I tend to lose respect for the entire process. Rather than damning with faint praise, which does no good at all, perhaps it would be more honest to call spades what they are. Often, this list is little more than a circle jerk when it comes to reviewing pictures. It's a nice, warm and happy place, and I appreciate that people need that in their lives, but the best way to improve your pictures is to have it ruthlessly picked apart, and have the failings of the picture pointed out. Unfortunately, when people do that, they tend to get spat on. I don't post a lot of photos at the moment because most of my photography right now is client based for the studio I am working for, and I'm not bothering with securing permission to show the stuff. My work is selling, and making money, I don't need praise beyond that. We can agree to disagree on this one, I won't think less of you for it, and I hope you'll feel the same way. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing
I think the opposite happens occasionally too one reason I never literally toss stuff I've done even if I think it is lousy work :) Now and then I find something in my archives taht I think is worth something and I chose a different negative to print... I might find myself liking the one a rejected years ago better than the one I chose as what I thought had the most promise. That occasionally happens to me. The stuff that is really junk though I get rid of immediately so I don't waste time accidentally viewing it again. Thumbnails in Adobe Bridge look sharp, but then I click and say Oh, yeah I remember why I didn't use this. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
