Re: PESO - dreampath

2008-09-13 Thread AlunFoto
2008/9/12 Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On 12/9/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

That's beautiful, Jostein.  What causes the smearing of the green?
PS trickery or something else?

 Intensive fishing.

Yup. For green herring.

Jostein


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Re: PESO - dreampath

2008-09-13 Thread AlunFoto
Jack, Frank, Ken, Christine,

Glad you liked it. :-)
There's no photoshop trickery involved. A long exposure time with a
rear-curtain blink from the built-in flash, and some deliberate
vertical camera movement. Had to take a couple before I got the
right amount of smearing.

Best,
Jostein

2008/9/12 Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Well named. Very much like the classic S curve path.

2008/9/12 frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 That's beautiful, Jostein.  What causes the smearing of the green?
 PS trickery or something else?

2008/9/12 Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I like it - nicely done.

 Multiple exposures ?

2008/9/12 Christine  Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Jostein:  I love it!!!  That's very emotionally dreamy and technically
 impressive.  I'm interested, too, in your answer to Ken's question about
 multiple exposures.  So? :-)  Cheers, Christine



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Re: PESO - dreampath

2008-09-13 Thread Derby Chang
AlunFoto wrote:
 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/09/dreampath.html


 Jostein

   

Brian Walters wrote:
 http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/97282/Impressionist.html


Ken Waller wrote:
 Please check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

   


All very attractive. Seems to be a bit of a painterly theme happening 
with PDML PESOs lately.

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Re: PESO - dreampath

2008-09-13 Thread Christine Aguila

- Original Message - 
From: AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Jack, Frank, Ken, Christine,

 Glad you liked it. :-)
 There's no photoshop trickery involved. A long exposure time with a
 rear-curtain blink from the built-in flash, and some deliberate
 vertical camera movement. Had to take a couple before I got the
 right amount of smearing.


You know, I tried that vertical camera movement once on books on bookshelf.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6748139

I keep meaning to try more vertical camera movement.

Anyway, nice shot Jostein!

Cheers, Christine 



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Re: Completely OT: money

2008-09-13 Thread Derby Chang
John Sessoms wrote:
 Nothing to do with Pentax, but I got another one of those curious 
 incidents at work today. Happens about every six months or so ...

 Manager comes over this morning with a dollar bill someone tendered  
 asks Is this REAL? I've never seen one like this before. Only thing I 
 can figure is I run the photo lab, so I must be the resident expert on 
 anything to do with printing ... including money?

 I look at it and tell him it's real; told him what it was and offer a 
 dollar in exchange for it.

 He swapped.

 Series 1935G Silver Certificate, no motto - Elizabeth Rudel Smith  C 
 Douglas Dillon signatures (Treasurer of US and Sec of Treasury).

 Smith was Treasurer from Jan 30, 1961 through April 13, 1962 which 
 establishes the date as ca. 1961. Did a quick eBay search after I got 
 home. Looks like it's worth $3 - $5.

 Like I said, nothing to do with Pentax, but it's Friday, and even though 
 it's not FS Friday, I did manage to mention eBay.   ;-D

   


Save up a few and you could make one of these

http://www.instructables.com/id/The_Worlds_Most_Expensive_Chess_Set/

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Re: PESO - Multiples in the Field

2008-09-13 Thread Christine Aguila
Lovely, Ken.  I like this very much.  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
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Subject: PESO - Multiples in the Field


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 Taken with a K20D, 28-80mm f3.5-4.5 SMC Pentax F, 1.3 sec, f14, 100 ISO
 handheld.

 Comments appreciated

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Re: I got papped

2008-09-13 Thread Brian Walters
H.

so why are you pointing the 77 Ltd in the opposite direction to everyone
else?

:-)


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On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:13:28 +1000, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Recall I posted a GESO last week on an outdoor festival? That's me with 
 the No. 1 haircut and the 77mm Ltd
 http://www.chalkurbanart.com.au/
 
 
 (My piccies here
 http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_09/08_09_chalk/index.htm)
 
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Re: PESO - A Horse of a Different Colour

2008-09-13 Thread Brian Walters
Nice rendering and I like the low angle.

Shouldn't the title be Two horses of a different colour?


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On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:20:27 -0400, frank theriault
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 I really didn't intend a car theme these last few days, but after the
 Lambo and the 'Vette, I thought this would be a fun counterpoint:
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/09/cheval-of-different-colour.html
 
 I'd love one of these things - until repair time, I suspect...
 
 ;-)
 
 Comments always welcome.
 
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Re: PESO: roast corn

2008-09-13 Thread Brian Walters
Very spectacular.

Are you sure they're not welding the corn to something?

:-)


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On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:14:01 +0530, Subash [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 hi,
 
 had been to the beach today, which generally has a country fair-like
 atmosphere most days, more so on weekends. there are these stalls
 selling roast corns which use wood stoves to roast the corns and
 when the stove is fanned (sort of) it makes for a rather dramatic
 picture.
 
 http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5245158232714118018
 
 K10D, DA 50-200 @150mm. as usual, appreciate your comments.
 
 regards, subash
 
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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
There's no such thing as full expression of ... blah blah blah.  
Those are only expectations and desires. If you want the FoV-DoF  
coverage of a 35mm film camera, well, that's the sensor format you  
need. The lens doesn't care. ;-)

Godfrey

On Sep 12, 2008, at 8:56 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 Yep.

 Good work, Panasonic. It very well may be the next camera we will be  
 buy
 either for me or for Galia. I think that with 25/2.8 pancake or if  
 it is
 small with 20/1.7 lens, it will be great piece of kit.

 Godfrey, I don't give a toss (I couldn't possibly know how to actually
 give one) about full frame, although certain things, such as full
 expression of DOF of fast (below f/2.0) lenses is better represented  
 on
 the image sensor of size equal to that of the original lens design.

 Subash wrote:
 since no one seems to have posted the link here... :-)
 http://www.dpreview.com/Previews/PanasonicG1/


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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
CDAF requires much more out of a lens focus servo than phase detect AF  
for responsive operation. CDAF could not have been foreseen as a part  
of the original 4/3 System specification.

A 20mm f/1.7 is on the lens roadmap. It's unknown as to how much Leica  
is going to be involved ... I hope they do, but I know from good  
sources that they haven't been particularly happy with the Panasonic  
collaboration on this for a bit. But I'm sure Panasonic understand the  
strength of good lenses and will do the right thing ... !

Imaging-resource.com has another good article on the camera.

Godfrey

On Sep 12, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

 The AF thing is a problem with the original 4/3rds spec, when they
 introduced Contrast-detect AF they didn't do it in a fashion that's
 compatible with most 4/3rds lenses. The limitation also applies to the
 E-520 and E-420 when using contrast-detect AF as well.

 I'm interested in this thing but I would have preferred a more
 RF-style body on a camera this small.

 Interesting to also note that the new Panny lenses are NOT Leica's,
 all of their previous 4/3rds lenses were Leica. Damn, and I was hoping
 for a 17-20mm f2 Summicron and 35-40mm f2 Summicron.


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Re: PESO: roast corn

2008-09-13 Thread Subash
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Very spectacular.

 Are you sure they're not welding the corn to something?

 :-)

thanks Brian. as far as i could make out, the corn didn't taste
metallic in the least bit... :-))

regards, subash

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Re: PESO - No Brakes

2008-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
like it. ;)


 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:32 PM, frank theriault
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Warning, more bike porn.

 I know I've already had a PESO and a half today, so my apologies for
 piling 'em on, but I wanted to post it before the weekend - otherwise
 I'd forget on Monday.

 I'm curious as to what people think of the rendering (as well as the
 rest of it...).

 http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2008/09/no-brakes.html

 Scroll down, please...

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Re: For Sale Friday

2008-09-13 Thread Cotty
Pentax A20mm 2.8  really nice condition. Genuine front and rear caps,
pouch, box. All mint minus. Before it goes on eekbay, make me an offer.

Also  exc + K 50mm 1.4 with trick lens hood suitable for 1.5 crop sensor
DSLR: 85 1.8 /  100 4 /  105 2.8 hood

pics by request

Sensible offers and will post to PDML members just about anywhere with these.

Just to be clear, I have 2 lenses for sale: A20/2.8 and K50/1.4.

The lens hood that I have with the K50mm is a lens hood that is designed
to fit with several other lenses: the 85mm f1.8, the 100mm f4 and the
105mm f2.8 lenses. Basically, when the 50mm lens is used on a DSLR with
a 1.5X sensor, the effective angle of view of the lens is reduced -
giving one a 'tighter' crop - consequently a longer lens hood can be
used. So the 52mm clip-on lens hood designed for those lenses listed
above, works beautifully with the 50mm lens. It also clips on reversed
as well, for easy carrying. Hence, anyone wanting a great portrait lens
for their Pentax DSLR would find this combo excellent: 50mm f 1.4 and
slightly longer lens hood - great for portraiture.





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Re: For Sale Friday

2008-09-13 Thread Cotty
On 12/9/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

Will they still mount on a Pentax body?

They haven't been interfered with.

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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-13 Thread Cotty
On 13/9/08, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

Godfrey, I don't give a toss (I couldn't possibly know how to actually
give one)

No worries, plenty of folk here could teach you :)

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Re: Rumors of a 17mp Pentax DSLR

2008-09-13 Thread Cotty
On 13/9/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

Yep, that's what I said.  Not a peep here though.  Damn what's happened
to us?

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RE: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-13 Thread Bob W
 On 13/9/08, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Godfrey, I don't give a toss (I couldn't possibly know how 
 to actually
 give one)
 
 No worries, plenty of folk here could teach you :)
 

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Re: Rumors of a 17mp Pentax DSLR

2008-09-13 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No one seems to know, but there's a taxi advertisement in Germany 
 showing the top of a Pentax DSLR with a suspiciously large prism 
 housing, and Mike Johnson made a veiled reference to upcoming 
 competition for the newly official SONY full frame A900. 

The photo of a camera shown in this advertisement has been used for
other purposes for at least a year and most people here agree that it
shows a K10D.

Never easily put off by facts and reason, this has led the usual bunch
of praters to indulge in wild speculation. No more, no less.

The only real surprise is the fact that Pentax are for once advertising
in such a highly visible way. Reportedly, over a third of the cabs in
Cologne (out of a total of some 1000) and a bus now carry this ad. Oh,
and the cabs not only have this ad on the roof but also headrest covers
with Pentax written on them. :-)

BTW, who's coming to Cologne? Haven't heard of anyone so far.

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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-13 Thread Adam Maas
That's simply not the case. My D300 does CDAF just fine with
screwdriver-drive AF lenses from the late 80's as well as lens-motor
AF-S lenses from both before and after Nikon introduced CDAF with Live
View on its DSLR's. Oly bungled the spec.

-Adam

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 CDAF requires much more out of a lens focus servo than phase detect AF
 for responsive operation. CDAF could not have been foreseen as a part
 of the original 4/3 System specification.

 A 20mm f/1.7 is on the lens roadmap. It's unknown as to how much Leica
 is going to be involved ... I hope they do, but I know from good
 sources that they haven't been particularly happy with the Panasonic
 collaboration on this for a bit. But I'm sure Panasonic understand the
 strength of good lenses and will do the right thing ... !

 Imaging-resource.com has another good article on the camera.

 Godfrey

 On Sep 12, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

 The AF thing is a problem with the original 4/3rds spec, when they
 introduced Contrast-detect AF they didn't do it in a fashion that's
 compatible with most 4/3rds lenses. The limitation also applies to the
 E-520 and E-420 when using contrast-detect AF as well.

 I'm interested in this thing but I would have preferred a more
 RF-style body on a camera this small.

 Interesting to also note that the new Panny lenses are NOT Leica's,
 all of their previous 4/3rds lenses were Leica. Damn, and I was hoping
 for a 17-20mm f2 Summicron and 35-40mm f2 Summicron.


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Re: PESO: roast corn

2008-09-13 Thread David J Brooks
Very nice. The fire has a lot of sparks which show up well.

Dave

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Subash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi,

 had been to the beach today, which generally has a country fair-like
 atmosphere most days, more so on weekends. there are these stalls
 selling roast corns which use wood stoves to roast the corns and
 when the stove is fanned (sort of) it makes for a rather dramatic
 picture.

 http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5245158232714118018

 K10D, DA 50-200 @150mm. as usual, appreciate your comments.

 regards, subash

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Re: Completely OT: money

2008-09-13 Thread David J Brooks
I'll have to double check, but down at Dad's house should be a bunch
of US 50 cent and US silver dollars, taht are pobably around 50 years
old or more. There used to be some British money, my Granny had, from
very early 1900's. I'll ask my sister if its still around.

Dave

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Doug Franklin
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 I saved all of them until I started needing money to fund my teenage
 adventures. I sold them to a local coin store. I reall that I got over
 twenty bucks for about 100 Indian Head pennies.

 Wow, I'll bet.  I don't what they'd be worth in cash these days, but
 they'd be invaluable regardless.  Maybe I'm strange, but being able to
 hold an artifact like that in my hand, I feel much more of a connection
 with the time.  There's something about physical artifacts, especially
 ones made of precious or heavy metals, that just speaks to me.

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Re: PESO - dreampath

2008-09-13 Thread David J Brooks
Franks asking about smearing.??:-)

Nice shot Jostein. Very dreamy.

Dave

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:32 PM, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/09/dreampath.html

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Re: Rumors of a 17mp Pentax DSLR

2008-09-13 Thread Thibouille
Ralf, comparisons have been made and it seems it is *not* a K10D on
the ads, it doesn't mean anything else however.
BTW, ads on taxis were there at previous Photokina as well, I remember them.


 BTW, who's coming to Cologne? Haven't heard of anyone so far.

I'd like to but the train isn't quite that cheap and probably no space
left in it anyway so I dunno if it will be possible for me although
I'd like to.

On the 17Mpix rumours: that rumours has started when looking at some
samples from Pentax website which were indeed 17Mpix.
IMO:
* First: Pentax would not be *that* stupid to post such samples
* Second: The samples probably went out of size output settings of a
couple RAW converters which by default upsize by 10%.
* Third: Those samples have been there for quite a time

I don't believe in this 17Mpix thing although I might be wrong of course.

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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I played with a couple of them on that body.
Nikon calls it tripod mode for a reason. :-)

G

On Sep 13, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

 That's simply not the case. My D300 does CDAF just fine with
 screwdriver-drive AF lenses from the late 80's as well as lens-motor
 AF-S lenses from both before and after Nikon introduced CDAF with Live
 View on its DSLR's. Oly bungled the spec.


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Re: Rumors of a 17mp Pentax DSLR

2008-09-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Sep 13, 2008, at 3:03 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

 BTW, who's coming to Cologne? Haven't heard of anyone so far.

I wish I could afford to.

I've been on the road for three weeks, on my way home to California on  
the 16th.

Godfrey

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Re: Photo Hosting

2008-09-13 Thread David J Brooks
I use Photo.net and flickr as my two main hosts.

I gave up a long time ago on webshots and i also have a photobucket
site, but rarely use it, maybe once in a while.

My photo.net account is the $25 one, but i just use flickr as a free
account. I don't need multy sets or anything like that.

Plus i have my own for the horse shows.

Dave

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 I like it.
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 On Sep 10, 2008, at 12:36 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

 Would anyone care to discuss the pros  cons of various hosting sites?

 Photo.net v. flikr v. photobucket v. ??? ...

 I don't have anywhere on-line yet to share photos, and could use some
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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-13 Thread Adam Maas
Sadly, my D300's got faster CDAF than the last couple of Nikon PS's
I've tried. Nikon just doesn't do the PS thing well anymore and it
shows in the CDAF performance. CDAF on the D300 is usable without a
tripod though, just don't expect to follow anything moving.

Doesn't change the fact that 4/3rds should not have required any
changes to the lens to enable CDAF, even if it did require said
changes to get fast performance from CDAF.

-Adam

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I played with a couple of them on that body.
 Nikon calls it tripod mode for a reason. :-)

 G

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 screwdriver-drive AF lenses from the late 80's as well as lens-motor
 AF-S lenses from both before and after Nikon introduced CDAF with Live
 View on its DSLR's. Oly bungled the spec.


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RE: Completely OT: money

2008-09-13 Thread Bob W
 
 I'll have to double check, but down at Dad's house should be a bunch
 of US 50 cent and US silver dollars, taht are pobably around 50
years
 old or more. There used to be some British money, my Granny had,
from
 very early 1900's. I'll ask my sister if its still around.
 

before decimalisation there were a lot of 19th century coins in
circulation here, especially pennies. Big things they were, with a
picture of young Queen Vic, and typically very well worn. There must
be an awful lot of them still lying around in people's houses.

I have a nice, old silver Maria Theresa thaler which I bought from
someone in Ethiopia. It had been converted into a pendant, which is a
very common use for them over there. They have an interesting history
- the word thaler evolved into the word dollar - and make nice
souvenirs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Theresa_thaler

Bob


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Re: Completely OT: money

2008-09-13 Thread David Savage
I don't collect money.

I spend it.

:-)

2008/9/13 Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I'll have to double check, but down at Dad's house should be a bunch
 of US 50 cent and US silver dollars, taht are pobably around 50
 years
 old or more. There used to be some British money, my Granny had,
 from
 very early 1900's. I'll ask my sister if its still around.


 before decimalisation there were a lot of 19th century coins in
 circulation here, especially pennies. Big things they were, with a
 picture of young Queen Vic, and typically very well worn. There must
 be an awful lot of them still lying around in people's houses.

 I have a nice, old silver Maria Theresa thaler which I bought from
 someone in Ethiopia. It had been converted into a pendant, which is a
 very common use for them over there. They have an interesting history
 - the word thaler evolved into the word dollar - and make nice
 souvenirs.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Theresa_thaler

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Re: Completely OT: money

2008-09-13 Thread Rebekah
I don't collect money.

I spend it.

I collect mis-minted coinsthey fascinate me.

John - lucky find, are you going to hang on to it or throw it to the
wolves on ebay?

rg2

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 11:38 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't collect money.

 I spend it.

 :-)

 2008/9/13 Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I'll have to double check, but down at Dad's house should be a bunch
 of US 50 cent and US silver dollars, taht are pobably around 50
 years
 old or more. There used to be some British money, my Granny had,
 from
 very early 1900's. I'll ask my sister if its still around.


 before decimalisation there were a lot of 19th century coins in
 circulation here, especially pennies. Big things they were, with a
 picture of young Queen Vic, and typically very well worn. There must
 be an awful lot of them still lying around in people's houses.

 I have a nice, old silver Maria Theresa thaler which I bought from
 someone in Ethiopia. It had been converted into a pendant, which is a
 very common use for them over there. They have an interesting history
 - the word thaler evolved into the word dollar - and make nice
 souvenirs.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Theresa_thaler

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Re: For Sale Friday

2008-09-13 Thread Rick Womer
Ouch! I think that's called hitting below the belt...

Rick


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 From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: For Sale Friday
 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
 Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 5:05 AM
 On 12/9/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Will they still mount on a Pentax body?
 
 They haven't been interfered with.
 
 Unlike you.
 
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Re: Anyone know of software that can do this

2008-09-13 Thread John Sessoms
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
  No camera does this to my knowledge. Maybe some wackiness on the D3 or  
  1Ds III does. It's an idiotic requirement, frankly, speaking as one  
  who did scientific data acquisition in years past.
 
 Ha! You should read the rest of the spec! It requires a CCD resolution 
 of not less than  7 megapixels. CCD? I guess that means I can use a K10D 
 but not a K20D... or a Canon 1Ds mkIII  ;-) 
 
 It's full of nonsense like that - including the original date marking 
 requirement: Don't these people know that the user can set the camera's 
 date to anything they like?

I suspect if you really went through the specs item by item, there's a 
single, probably now obsolete, camera or camera software that meets all 
of the requirements EXACTLY. I've seen it before in other fields where a 
government specification is written so narrowly that only one product 
meets the requirements.

And some specific vendor who already has that equipment is expected to 
win the contract bid.

They're not allowed to specify a single product by manufacturer's name 
and model number, or a single vendor, so the spec's written to exclude 
anything or anyone else.

Except that, in the end, if the wrong person ends up with the low bid 
and wins the contract, there's always a way to work around it.

You could (un-offically) ask the agency who issued the specification 
what hardware they recommend to meet it. They might even tell you.

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RE: For Sale Friday

2008-09-13 Thread Bob W
as they say in Norfolk, if it ain't below the belt, it ain't
interferin'


 
 Ouch! I think that's called hitting below the belt...
 
 Rick
 
 
 --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: For Sale Friday
  To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
  Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 5:05 AM
  On 12/9/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:
  
  Will they still mount on a Pentax body?
  
  They haven't been interfered with.
  
  Unlike you.


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Re: Completely OT: money

2008-09-13 Thread John Sessoms
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I'd 've liked that for my collection. I think I hate you some more... 

 John Sessoms wrote:

  Nothing to do with Pentax, but I got another one of those curious 
  incidents at work today. Happens about every six months or so ...

 
  Series 1935G Silver Certificate, no motto - Elizabeth Rudel Smith  C 
  Douglas Dillon signatures (Treasurer of US and Sec of Treasury).

I don't really have a collection, but I'm always ready to pick up any 
oddities that chance to come my way.

I still occasionally get silver quarters in change. I'll keep any 
wheat pennies or old steel pennies I chance upon. Found a wheat penny 
on the sidewalk recently. It does pay to bend over and pick up any coins 
you see on the street. And I don't care about that is it heads or 
tails nonsense either.

I keep all of the state quarters I get. I've got a couple with minor 
errors, partially rotated die or obstructed die ...

I guess once they stop making copper pennies next year, I'll start 
keeping any of those I get with my change

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Re: Rumors of a 17mp Pentax DSLR

2008-09-13 Thread Joseph Tainter
That rumor showed up on dpreview several days ago, and perhaps elsewhere 
too.

It was shown to be a misinterpretation: A standard 14 mp image resampled 
in ACR to 17 mp.

Joe

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Re: Rumors of a 17mp Pentax DSLR

2008-09-13 Thread P. J. Alling
I read those posts, they weren't definitive.  Like all the bet rumors 
this one lives.

Joseph Tainter wrote:
 That rumor showed up on dpreview several days ago, and perhaps elsewhere 
 too.

 It was shown to be a misinterpretation: A standard 14 mp image resampled 
 in ACR to 17 mp.

 Joe

   


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Re: Completely OT: money

2008-09-13 Thread Cotty
On 13/9/08, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:

I don't collect money.

I spend it.

I go one better.

I spend someone else money!

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Re: For Sale Friday

2008-09-13 Thread Cotty
On 13/9/08, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:

Ouch! I think that's called hitting below the belt...

I hope it made him laugh so it hurt :)

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Re: Rumors of a 17mp Pentax DSLR

2008-09-13 Thread Jack Davis
I hope this one has long legs!

Jack


--- On Sat, 9/13/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Rumors of a 17mp Pentax DSLR
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 Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 1:42 PM
 I read those posts, they weren't definitive.  Like all
 the bet rumors 
 this one lives.
 
 Joseph Tainter wrote:
  That rumor showed up on dpreview several days ago, and
 perhaps elsewhere 
  too.
 
  It was shown to be a misinterpretation: A standard 14
 mp image resampled 
  in ACR to 17 mp.
 
  Joe
 

 
 
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Re: Rumors of a 17mp Pentax DSLR

2008-09-13 Thread Mark Roberts

Joseph Tainter wrote:
 That rumor showed up on dpreview several days ago, and
 perhaps elsewhere 
 too.

 It was shown to be a misinterpretation: A standard 14
 mp image resampled in ACR to 17 mp.

Ah! I suspected as much! How was it shown to be an up-rezzed image? EXIF 
data?


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Re: Completely OT: money

2008-09-13 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 13/9/08, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:

I don't collect money.

I spend it.

 I go one better.

 I spend someone else money!

You bastard, and i mean that in the most loving PDML way.:-)

Dave

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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-13 Thread David J Brooks
CDAF.??

Dace

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When everybody elses lensed designed years before Live View and CDAF
 work just fine? Yup. Canon and Nikon had much more significant hurdles
 to get 20 year old lenses to AF with CDAF than Oly did with at most 5
 year old lenses designed for a focus-by-wire application like CDAF.
 Nikon, with it's obsolete screwdriver-drive AF pulled it off, and both
 Nikon and Canon have achieved it on lens-motor based lenses, despite
 their specs dating back to ancient times (the Nikon lens-motor control
 spec dates to 1983, the Canon to 1987). Wasn't 4/3rds supposed to be
 the 'modern, future-proof' mount?

 I don't expect the same level of AF speed from the older lenses as the
 new ones designed for the application, but the bloody things should be
 able to AF in the first place. Especially since Olympus designed them
 to be firmware-upgradable. Frankly I doubt this is even an engineering
 issue per se. More likely it's just a budgeting issue and they didn't
 spend the money to implement the necessary support either in the
 bodies or via firmware upgrades.

 Heck, despite all that I'm still enthused for the G1 and am seriously
 considering buying one once the 20/1.7 becomes available.

 -Adam

 On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Oh give it up. You want to say someone bungled something in lenses
 designed *years* before the Live View and CDAF existed because it
 makes you feel like you know something that their engineering people
 dont and want to complain about it? fine, go ahead.

 Knowing how much hard work had to go into this design to make it do
 what it does, I find it perfectly reasonable even with the feature
 limitations. I'd rather have a lens that focuses manually very
 accurately and conveniently than a lens that almost works well with an
 auto focus system that it wasn't designed for.

 G


 On Sep 13, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

 Sony doesn't even offer CDAF on their SLR's, they use second-sensor LV
 and leave the mirror down to do phase-detection AF. Works very well,
 especially since they offer the fastest AF in-class already on the
 A300.

 If it's Panny pushing CDAF on 4/3rds and they didn't implement it in a
 way that would work with legacy lenses, it's their bungling, not
 Oly's. But it's still a bungle for 4/3rds.



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Re: panasonic's new micro four/thirds camera: G1

2008-09-13 Thread Adam Maas
Contrast-Detect Auto-Focus, the method used on many PS digital
cameras and in Live View on some DSLR's to AF. It's very accurate but
generally slower than the traditional AF units on DSLR's which can't
be used when the mirror is up. It works by measuring contrast off the
sensor.

-Adam

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 6:21 PM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 CDAF.??

 Dace

 On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When everybody elses lensed designed years before Live View and CDAF
 work just fine? Yup. Canon and Nikon had much more significant hurdles
 to get 20 year old lenses to AF with CDAF than Oly did with at most 5
 year old lenses designed for a focus-by-wire application like CDAF.
 Nikon, with it's obsolete screwdriver-drive AF pulled it off, and both
 Nikon and Canon have achieved it on lens-motor based lenses, despite
 their specs dating back to ancient times (the Nikon lens-motor control
 spec dates to 1983, the Canon to 1987). Wasn't 4/3rds supposed to be
 the 'modern, future-proof' mount?

 I don't expect the same level of AF speed from the older lenses as the
 new ones designed for the application, but the bloody things should be
 able to AF in the first place. Especially since Olympus designed them
 to be firmware-upgradable. Frankly I doubt this is even an engineering
 issue per se. More likely it's just a budgeting issue and they didn't
 spend the money to implement the necessary support either in the
 bodies or via firmware upgrades.

 Heck, despite all that I'm still enthused for the G1 and am seriously
 considering buying one once the 20/1.7 becomes available.

 -Adam

 On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Oh give it up. You want to say someone bungled something in lenses
 designed *years* before the Live View and CDAF existed because it
 makes you feel like you know something that their engineering people
 dont and want to complain about it? fine, go ahead.

 Knowing how much hard work had to go into this design to make it do
 what it does, I find it perfectly reasonable even with the feature
 limitations. I'd rather have a lens that focuses manually very
 accurately and conveniently than a lens that almost works well with an
 auto focus system that it wasn't designed for.

 G


 On Sep 13, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

 Sony doesn't even offer CDAF on their SLR's, they use second-sensor LV
 and leave the mirror down to do phase-detection AF. Works very well,
 especially since they offer the fastest AF in-class already on the
 A300.

 If it's Panny pushing CDAF on 4/3rds and they didn't implement it in a
 way that would work with legacy lenses, it's their bungling, not
 Oly's. But it's still a bungle for 4/3rds.



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Re: For Sale Friday

2008-09-13 Thread Cotty
Last call for

Pentax A20mm 2.8  really nice condition. Genuine front and rear caps,
pouch, box. All mint minus. Before it goes on eekbay, make me an offer.

Also  exc + K 50mm 1.4 with trick LENS HOOD suitable for 1.5 crop sensor
DSLR: 85 1.8 /  100 4 /  105 2.8 hood

Going on eekbay shortly.

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Re: Rumors of a 17mp Pentax DSLR

2008-09-13 Thread Mat Maessen
On 9/13/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No one seems to know, but there's a taxi advertisement in Germany
  showing the top of a Pentax DSLR with a suspiciously large prism
  housing, and Mike Johnson made a veiled reference to upcoming
  competition for the newly official SONY full frame A900.  But that's
  just taking making 1+1=4.  In the good old days that would have been
  enough to start a Blood Feud.

I'm a lover, not a hater.

-Mat

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Re: For Sale Friday

2008-09-13 Thread keith_w
Cotty wrote:
 Last call for
 
 Pentax A20mm 2.8  really nice condition. Genuine front and rear caps,
 pouch, box. All mint minus. Before it goes on eekbay, make me an offer.
 
 Also  exc + K 50mm 1.4 with trick LENS HOOD suitable for 1.5 crop sensor
 DSLR: 85 1.8 /  100 4 /  105 2.8 hood
 
 Going on eekbay shortly.
 
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 Cheers,
   Cotty

Hi Sr. Cot Sir...

I'll trade you straight across for a like-new Vivitar 19mm f/3.5, Pentax 
KA/Ricoh lens, or give you $125 PayPal.

Avoid the eeks if you can!

keith whaley

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Re: Completely OT: money

2008-09-13 Thread John Sessoms
From: Rebekah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I collect mis-minted coinsthey fascinate me.
 
 John - lucky find, are you going to hang on to it or throw it to the
 wolves on ebay?

I'll hang on to it.

I just looked on eBay because it seemed the quickest way to find out 
what it might be worth. The value from it being interesting is more than 
it would bring on eBay even if I did want to sell it.

I've got some other odd money I've run across over the years that I 
figured were worth keeping - half dollars from the year I was born (no 
silver dollars minted that year); an 1894 Morgan dollar; any other 
silver dollars that came my way; some $2 bills - Bicentennial and not 
Bicentennial, including a $2 red letter U.S. Note; a bunch of 
miscellaneous silver coins  old pennies (wheat  steel - no indian 
heads yet) ...

... and pride of place goes to a Greenback dollar (large size bill) that 
I picked up for a song.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9Jh4KjPP-o

None of it's really high value stuff, but they all have some fun connection.

One interesting coin I missed my chance on years ago was a Spanish 
colonial silver dollar, the original 8 bits (Real de a Ocho) - pieces of 
eight.

Someone evidently found a boatload of 'em - sunk off the coast of 
Florida - and they were advertising them for about $10 each at the time 
in the back of Smithsonian Magazine. Cheapest I've seen since is $500 or 
more.

That, and I'd like to have a $20 gold piece ... but I don't expect to 
acquire either one of 'em ... together their price is about equal the 
price of a new K20D, which what I'm saving my real money to buy.

Or perhaps whatever follows on after that, being as it's taking so long 
to save enough.

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Re: Completely OT: money

2008-09-13 Thread John Sessoms
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On 13/9/08, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:
 I don't collect money.
 
 I spend it.
 
 I go one better.
 
 I spend someone else money!
 
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The United States of Cotty?

... or I guess technically it'd be the United Kingdom of Cotty  ...

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Re: Rumors of a 17mp Pentax DSLR

2008-09-13 Thread Joseph Tainter
Joseph Tainter wrote:
  That rumor showed up on dpreview several days ago, and
  perhaps elsewhere
  too.
 
  It was shown to be a misinterpretation: A standard 14
  mp image resampled in ACR to 17 mp.

Ah! I suspected as much! How was it shown to be an up-rezzed image? EXIF
data?

-

I guess someone found exif data that read 17 mp. Several posts joyously 
proclaimed a new Samsung sensor and congratulated the OP. Then someone 
pointed out that ACR for the K20D has some option to automatically 
resample an image to 17 mp. That seemed to kill the discussion, and I 
haven't seen the thread on page one since.

Joe

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Re: PESO: roast corn

2008-09-13 Thread Subash
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:49:18 -0400
David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Very nice. The fire has a lot of sparks which show up well.

hi Dave, thanks for looking  :-) 

  http://picasaweb.google.com/pdml.live/PESO#5245158232714118018

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Re: Beach Shadows

2008-09-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Very helpful comments, Ken.  Thank you.

Dan M

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In my opinion this needs to be sumplified as there is too much in the photo
 calling for my attention. Perhaps just some ripples or an isolated beach
 plant amid the ripples.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message -
 From: Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Subject: PESO: Beach Shadows


 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7829199size=md


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Re: PESO: Beach Shadows

2008-09-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks for your comments

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dan, I lik.

Dan M this much more than your previous post.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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 From: Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: PESO: Beach Shadows


 Thanks for the comments, Bob.

 Here's one without the plants, but the shadow pattern is not quite the
 same:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7829201

 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Dan,
 Beautiful shadows moving thru the sand.
 The plants you could keep or loose.
 Regards,  Bob S.

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 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7829199size=md
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Re: For Sale Friday

2008-09-13 Thread P. J. Alling
KEH sells that A20 for 3-4 hundred.  If that's Cotty thinks that's a 
reasonable offer I'll give him $130...

keith_w wrote:
 Cotty wrote:
   
 Last call for

 
 Pentax A20mm 2.8  really nice condition. Genuine front and rear caps,
 pouch, box. All mint minus. Before it goes on eekbay, make me an offer.
   
 Also  exc + K 50mm 1.4 with trick LENS HOOD suitable for 1.5 crop sensor
 DSLR: 85 1.8 /  100 4 /  105 2.8 hood
   
 Going on eekbay shortly.

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 Hi Sr. Cot Sir...

 I'll trade you straight across for a like-new Vivitar 19mm f/3.5, Pentax 
 KA/Ricoh lens, or give you $125 PayPal.

 Avoid the eeks if you can!

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